TROWA!?? Now we just need Wu Fei and Duo and I'll be a happy camper.
huh? the place Byron came from or what?
Could you explain the connection to Wu Fei and Duo (and what they are in the first place)?
TROWA!?? Now we just need Wu Fei and Duo and I'll be a happy camper.
huh? the place Byron came from or what?
Could you explain the connection to Wu Fei and Duo (and what they are in the first place)?
I doubt that Bryon is related to Brook.
Is Sanji not arriving first a running joke by Oda? The frist one I can think of is Alabasta when he arrived after Zoro heading for the clock tower to help Vivi. Second is running up the tower to meet up with Luffy to save Robin. Just now being second to Toni trying to reach the auction house to save Camie. Maybe I'm thinking too much.
I never notices but now that you say it
I've been watching Kid pretty closely during the last chapters and if I'm not completly off in my character analysis I think he'll buy Camie just out of Sadism so the SH can't buy her.
I doubt that Bryon is related to Brook.
Why would he need to be related to Brook?
Couldn't he be related to anyone else on Brooks crew? And call Brook "uncle".
But that's not what I was talking about if you were responding to me. =P
I was talking about that poster who thought that Bryon might be Brook's grandson. Sorry if it seem like I was talking about what you said about Bryon.
Great chapter can't wait for the next one, hopefully WB and even Shanks gets an appearance.
I was hoping for some badass Rayleigh talk, since he was introduced in such a badass manner in 500, but it didn't happen. Garp was the one who hyped him up, calling him "The Dark King". It must be related to his powers, or even a DF, however Yami Yami no mi was already eaten by BB, I hope we get to see what that title is all about in the coming chapters.
Garp seems to have hinted he will visit sabaody to handle Rayleigh. So he is headed to grove1 as well. We probably will get to see another Luffy Garp grandpa grandson lovin, and lots of fist of love.
Also I think Luffy will change his mind about not saving Ace once he finds out he was sentenced to a public execution.
Wouldn't it be neato if Drake was the one Krieg went around pretending to be?
Despite having entirely different noses and lips, the mutton chops and chin that would make Leno envious are conveniently similar. That and the giant 'DON' next to his head got my fanboy sweat glands juicy. I'd love for Oda to tie a little bow on that chapter of the tale by adding that detail but…not going to happen.
Pretty unlikely since Drake's from North Blue which is a place that Don Krieg would never arrive at with pure luck.
I agree that because Drake used to be a marine he of course has the most understanding of how the government works of the 11 supernovas.
I was talking about that poster who thought that Bryon might be Brook's grandson. Sorry if it seem like I was talking about what you said about Bryon.
Who was that? I thought the only one mentioning it was FFA and he was kinda ridiculing the idea.
Oh yeah…. looks like the Rumble of Legends will start first in Grove 1, before Whitebeard's "Save Ace" war begun!
Luffy isn't going to say "Hey, let's spend all our money and buy her back." When he is hellbent on getting Camie back........ and Nami will not have the chance to tell Luffy before he crashed into the auction house.... possibly maybe crashing on top of the old man with the fish bowl on his head the tenn.something....
Except starting bids for humans are usually around the area of 500 000 beli (as can be seen on page 7)
Noted with thanks. maybe there'll be some sort of comedy when the auctioneer reduce the bid again and again to clearup their stock.
holy shit, I am actually trembling :wub:
The Great Pirate Whitebeard
Edward Newgate
The strongest man in the World
finally makes his move against the World Government AND the right hand of the King will also be attacked by the World Government.
If Shanks is in on this too then I guess the World Government is going "bye bye". The definition of Yonkou was that each of them is strong enough to take on the World Government, but they fight each other off right? So if Whitebeard and Shanks combine their forces the wG should have no big chance.
Also, the Strawhats making their move is pretty interesting too. And Buggy will probably make an appearence too (after all, he knows the "Right Hand").
But the Great Pirate Whitebeard making his move is definetly the message of the year. The greatest inccident that happend so far in One Piece.
when luffy hear about ace, he will start trouble with intention. so whitebeard has a bigger chance to save ace, cause that would mean one admiral less to fight.
The definition of Yonkou was that each of them is strong enough to take on the World Government,
Where have you read that? We know the WG needs the shichibukai to keep a (three sided?) power balance with the emperors, but I don't think we have heard anything about the individual emperors powers compared to the other world powers. All that is assumptions and logical conclusions.
In a few more chapters, Grove 1 will be the most happening place in the whole Grand Line…....... I can't wait to see who fights who or who gets owned in style or something....
It's a Royal Rumble and it's going to be explosive. Hopefully....
Where have you read that? We know the WG needs the shichibukai to keep a (three sided?) power balance with the emperors, but I don't think we have heard anything about the individual emperors powers compared to the other world powers. All that is assumptions and logical conclusions.
True that this is not a given definition but it's a likely guess. Garp said, that the combo of Marines and Shichibukai is there to balance out the Yonkoh but he never actually said that it means all the Yonkoh combined. For what we know, the Yonkoh are rivals. True Shanks and Newgate met up but a meeting between rivals/opponents isn't an unheard of phenomenon. Lastly in the end it went out with a fight and though it's assumed that it didn't mean war, the sole atmosphere when the respective crews have to consider such an outcome as likely actually speaks for it that the Yonkoh operate indipendantly.
Ok, the Shichibukai also work indipendant from their point of view, but from the WGs point of view they are allies, which means that by the ideals of the WG the Shichibukai are a combined battle force in the considerations of this balance thing.
This would mean that each of the big four (of course with his crew) alone forms the counterpart that balances out the Marine HQ & Shichibukai combo. Would at least explain why the Gorosei were scared like shit when they first heard of contact between Shanks and Newgate. They even said, that if they'd work together, they'd have a problem. IMO because two Yonkoh (with all their crews) together would rape everything what the WG has to throw at them. If you consider that Garp also says, that they can't focus on two legens simultaneously this interpretation of things doesn't seem that far off.
sounds possible, but i don't think that is the case. The ballance that was mentioned was between Marine vs Shichibukai vs Yonkou. As such the more logicall assumption is that they mean all of the Yonkou or at least the majority of them. Otherwise it wouldn't really be a ballance, now would it? If they were meant individually they wouldn't have been mentioned as a group.
But the Yonkou don't work as a group. They work individually. That's why the WG was trying to prevent a meeting between 2 of the Yonkou (Shanks and WB). That's what Ivotas was saying.
But Ivotas. If all the yonkou is strong enough to crush the WG individually, and WB is the strongest man in the world (and presumably the strongest emperor because of that). Why couldn't GDR crush the WG if he was as strong as or stronger then WB? Why did he get captured?
maybe gold rodger was captured to protect his crew or after a major fight he was injured/tired when the marines came to get him
That's what some people are trying to figure out, and they assume the reason GDR got caught is because the WG used some sort of underhanded tactic like threatening to harm someone that GDR knows…
edit: oops, someone beat me to it...
Because if he would do that his crew would suffer so much damage it would give WB the edge in the GDR vs WB battles.
the WG used some sort of underhanded tactic like threatening to harm someone that GDR knows…
Like they are doing to WB now with the execution of Ace?
In that case isn't it obvious that GDR wasn't strong enough to crush the WG by himself? I mean if he got caught in the process of attempting to free his crewmate. And thereby suggesting that his equal, WB, wouldn't be strong enough either?
That's absolutely correct Gorlom. You can see Garp is pretty confident in the WG winning WB if they focus on it.
Moria must be part of the longneck tribe
I am partly agreeing with Ivotas - I don't think WB can crush the WG on his own, but the WG will need all its ressources to win that war, that means the marines and the shichis will be needed here and at the same time they can't get weakened to the point the other yonkou(s) and pirates in the world will have a free pass to do what they want.
True that this is not a given definition but it's a likely guess. Garp said, that the combo of Marines and Shichibukai is there to balance out the Yonkoh but he never actually said that it means all the Yonkoh combined.
I think it was both groups individually (who are each considered equal and opposing powers) as opposed to a combo. There was a few threads before here clarifying that point.
Ok, the Shichibukai also work indipendant from their point of view, but from the WGs point of view they are allies, which means that by the ideals of the WG the Shichibukai are a combined battle force in the considerations of this balance thing.
It seems a well known fact from the World Govt.'s point of view that they may be allied in terms of not going against them, but that they're individuals (some with their own pirate crews still) with the only one known to follow orders being Kuma. They're not a "military unit" under the Government but well known pirates who have a deal with them.
Of course when talking about the World Govt vs. Emperors, they would be combined. But the three powers does not include the Govt. individually. I think the main problem is that the Navy HQ can't allocate all their resources to deal with the Emperors. They essentially police the grandline (I'm assuming "HQ" releases aren't generally based in the other four seas).
Pretty unlikely since Drake's from North Blue which is a place that Don Krieg would never arrive at with pure luck.
I think everyone knows where he's from and I even stated it's impossible myself. I'd just like for Oda to create a Marine that Krieg could have passed himself off as. That's all, not looking for anyone to point out why my fangasm that I shot down myself should be incorrect ;)
huh? the place Byron came from or what?
Could you explain the connection to Wu Fei and Duo (and what they are in the first place)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_Wing#Cast_and_characters
@ysn:
sounds possible, but i don't think that is the case. The ballance that was mentioned was between Marine vs Shichibukai vs Yonkou. As such the more logicall assumption is that they mean all of the Yonkou or at least the majority of them. Otherwise it wouldn't really be a ballance, now would it? If they were meant individually they wouldn't have been mentioned as a group.
No, Garp said, that the other two exist as the counterpart to the Yonkoh. It's definitely not Yonkoh vs. Marine vs. Shichibukai. Besides, if the Shichibukai would be in a versus position against the Marine then, they'd be no Shichibukai (which are pirates known as dogs of the WG) anyway. Just because it says "balance" it doesn't mean that all have to have the same status. This is the case for a balance of two, where both have to be equal to form a balance. But for a balance of three it definitely works to have different status for the single components. And Garp already confirmed that to be the case.
But Ivotas. If all the yonkou is strong enough to crush the WG individually, and WB is the strongest man in the world (and presumably the strongest emperor because of that). Why couldn't GDR crush the WG if he was as strong as or stronger then WB? Why did he get captured?
I didn't say that a Yonkoh could crush the WG individually, I said that individually (which includes their crews) they are equal to the Marine HQ/Shichibukai combo. Which means victory could happen for both sides. Together the Yonkoh are probably stronger then MQH/Shichibukai but seeing as they are rivals this is hardly an option.
And as far as Gold Roger is concerned, I guess that has been discussed to death and I actually don't have anything to add to his reasons for capture. However just look at Rayleigh. Going by Garp it probably is unthinkable that he can be captured like that and yet here he is. We don't know what the reasons where and I'm not saying that the same was the case for Roger. All I'm saying is that there can be other reasons for the capture of a super strong guy. It doesn't necessarily have something to do with being inferior in battle power.
Pretty unlikely since Drake's from North Blue which is a place that Don Krieg would never arrive at with pure luck
Just because he is from North blue doesn't mean he can't have been stationed in East blue.
Or even if he wasn't do they really need to be in the same sea? Wouldn't it be easier for Kreig to pass himself off as someone that is not around? Claiming he is visiting another blue or something.
Maybe he became a pirate because Kreig pulled that trick too many times and people stopped buying it. But at the same time started accusing the real marine (Drake) of being Kreig in disguise?
I said that individually (which includes their crews) they are equal to the Marine HQ/Shichibukai combo.
I've forgotten the general opinion. Do we belive the shichibukai were present as a group before GDR's execution or do we assume the WG started making that deal after?
Personally I don't belive the warlords will be involved in the war. Perhaps excluding Blackbeard.
huh? the place Byron came from or what?
Could you explain the connection to Wu Fei and Duo (and what they are in the first place)?
They're characters from Gundam Wing.
I've forgotten the general opinion. Do we belive the shichibukai were present as a group before GDR's execution or do we assume the WG started making that deal after?
We can only assume since we have no concrete info about when that thing started. But seeing it as this is the Great Age of Pirates my personal interpretation is that this is a one time only thing that reflects the drastic need for power in these times rather then being a permanent thing.
Personally I don't belive the warlords will be involved in the war. Perhaps excluding Blackbeard.
Well, from their point of view the Shichibukai don't care for the WG much either and just use their status to their own advantage but from the WGs perspective the Shichibukai are pretty much one of their assets. You don't form an alliance with them if you don't have practic use of them. Also lets not forget Crocodiles words "they believe in the Shichibukai".
Besides the entire balance thing, is to have something up your own sleave against one of the Yonkoh. If the WG doesn't plan on involving them in this conflict then the sole purpose of creating that group becomes irrelevant.
We can only assume since we have no concrete info about when that thing started. But seeing it as this is the Great Age of Pirates my personal interpretation is that this is a one time only thing that reflects the drastic need for power in these times rather then being a permanent thing.
Yeah I know that there's nothing concrete, that's why I wondered what the opinion was. Err… If I understood you correctly you are saying you think they were not present when GDR was captured?
If the WG doesn't plan on involving them in this conflict then the sole purpose of creating that group becomes irrelevant.
Not really. You are assuming that they are supposed to be used as a military force against the 4 emperors.
What if their real reason is to supress all the other pirates so that the Marines don't have to spread their resources too thin, in attempts to hunt criminals and protect civilians, and instead can focus on the emperors.
That is what I am assuming and why I think that they won't be taking part.
No, Garp said, that the other two exist as the counterpart to the Yonkoh. It's definitely not Yonkoh vs. Marine vs. Shichibukai. Besides, if the Shichibukai would be in a versus position against the Marine then, they'd be no Shichibukai (which are pirates known as dogs of the WG) anyway. Just because it says "balance" it doesn't mean that all have to have the same status. This is the case for a balance of two, where both have to be equal to form a balance. But for a balance of three it definitely works to have different status for the single components. And Garp already confirmed that to be the case.
Garp's words: "It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!" 'And' could mean both exclusively.
The Grand Times seem to go with that defintion:
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=462117&postcount=391
Of course it is very likely the case that the "and" is only ambgious in English and the two sources clearly mean both exclusiely.
Though the partcular crew's of the Shichibukai and the Emperor's may not be factored in, it does not mean both the Navy HQ and the Shichibukai combined.
This is probably unprecedented, for a Yonkou to take on the WG. So they might need to use some Shichibukais to help. But whether the Shichibukai obey or not is a whole different thing.
Yeah I know that there's nothing concrete, that's why I wondered what the opinion was. Err… If I understood you correctly you are saying you think they were not present when GDR was captured?
Correct, that is my interpretation of things.
Not really. You are assuming that they are supposed to be used as a military force against the 4 emperors.
What if their real reason is to supress all the other pirates so that the Marines don't have to spread their resources too thin, in attempts to hunt criminals and protect civilians, and instead can focus on the emperors.
That is what I am assuming and why I think that they won't be taking part.
I think that both things are the case. Surpressing other pirates is part of the deal as Yosaku clearly pointed out. But since the Gorosei consider them as vital part in the balance of the three then to me at least it is evident that the WG considers them as military force for this kind of situation. Otherwise they wouldn't make a big deal about replacing Crocodile to keep the balance intact. Again, just my personal interpretation.
Garp's words: "It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!" 'And' could mean both exclusively.
You are right, that it could mean both exclusively, but it mustn't. That's what I'm saying.
The Grand Times seem to go with that defintion:
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=462117&postcount=391Of course it is very likely the case that the "and" is only ambgious in English and the two sources clearly mean both exclusiely.
Though the partcular crew's of the Shichibukai and the Emperor's may not be factored in, it does not mean both the Navy HQ and the Shichibukai combined.
With all respect to oceanizer, his explenation doesn't strike me as that less build on personal interpretation then my own. It' s not like we have a clear statement that something gets lost in translation when we use the term 'and'.
Again, I'm not saying that it's wrong, but the way how I read the facts I take it as it takes both together to counter the Yonkoh. I mean if the WG is that desperate to stop the Pirate Age that they would even revive Ancient Weapons, then it clearly means that what they have now (which includes both Marines and Shichibukai) is not enough to do so.
It does not mean that… if it was Marines vs shichibukai vs Yonokou, what was teh point of creating shichibukai in the first place?
anybody realize that the doc on the cover is actually dr. black beard which ace mistakenly sought, thinking him as marshall d teach?
anybody realize that the mr. disco somehow resembles mr. janggo? and their name rhymes! =)
anybody realize that the doc on the cover is actually dr. black beard which ace mistakenly sought, thinking him as marshall d teach?
It's not, the guys look nothing alike.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/501/03/
i'm confused, i understand Rayleigh to be one of them, but who is the 2nd?
White Beard is the 2nd
I was assuming they meant Whitebeard, since they were gonna make Aces execution public, his bound to get angry and try to save him.
There's a possibility that Dragon will use this conflict to his advantage, as well, being that he's a revolutionary.
Who was that? I thought the only one mentioning it was FFA and he was kinda ridiculing the idea.
I could have sworn there was a poster who mention about that theory before FFA?
My take on the Yonkou vs Shichibukai+MarineHq debate is that combined Yonkou are a match for them, but not separately. The reason why the WG doesn't try to take them on one by one is because they fear that trying might result in them banding together, which could make them unstoppable. So instead their policy is to ensure that they stay separate, by posing enough of a danger that they won't try anything too outrageous, but not enough to threaten them too much.
That was the reason why Shanks went to Whitebeard and pleaded for him to stop Ace. He knew that Ace would lose and once he did it would cause Whitebeard to act and the balance would be destroyed whatever the outcome.
The Shichibukai are the mavericks in the play. They are too strong to control, but they are no threat to the system and they can be trusted to serve themselves, which makes them predictable for the WG. And as long as their goals and desires are predictable the WG can use them to oppose the Yonkou, because those four are a danger to them.
@theinvisbleworm:
There's a possibility that Dragon will use this conflict to his advantage, as well, being that he's a revolutionary.
Of course he will, since the Marine is busy, he's free for his "business".
I just hope Dragon will be part of the big incident.
So are we all assuming Luffy's mom is some dumb whore, and Ace is only Luffy's half-brother being? As much as I see Dragon having this work to his advantage, if Ace is his kid, I don't know if he's going to completely just sit by. I definitely see him as involving himself in this.
We've never really seen any of the Monkey family actually care that much about each other's lives. They instead abide by a guideline of "They'll take care of themselves". So I'm not sure why Garp or Dragon would go out of their way to save Ace, especially not when they know Whitebeard will already be doing that
I am pretty sure that with Blackbeard joining the Shichibukai side that it would tip the balance and caused the Yonkou side to lose.
It's Trafalgar Law. Garp knows how badass he is and that as such he is legendary. Also Oda pays attention to this site and knows that people are the most interested in Law out of all the SR. That is why Oda drew Law giving the first middle finger in One Piece. [/fanaticism]