Last time I got hyped up for a fight was:
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This chapter didn't get me ready for a big fight, but I'm just curious as to how events will unfold now.
Last time I got hyped up for a fight was:
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This chapter didn't get me ready for a big fight, but I'm just curious as to how events will unfold now.
The only times I got hyped for a fight was when Shanks & Whitebeard attacked each other & when Ace met up with Blackbeard.
@Impel:
Last time I got hyped up for a fight was:
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This chapter didn't get me ready for a big fight, but I'm just curious as to how events will unfold now.
That reminds me of when we all thought that Moria was a West Blue Giant like Saul, and not just a leek shaped huge guy. Notice the rounded teeth that match Saul's.
Oh, btw, I'm sure you've all noticed this, but Moria's laugh is the traditional japanese laugh sound (shi) combined with Ki, which is spirit in Japanese. Kind of fitting considering Thriller Bark.
Ok I must be childish because i'm always hyped up for all the One Piece fights.
And no insults please, it can make one quite pissed off, even if one isn't involved in it.
Well, I mean yes, all the OP fights are great, but we mean the ones that get you particularly interested, like to a point where you're visibly waiting for the next chapter like a junkie with no black tar heroin to inject into his right testicle.
At the chapter where Moria, Perona, and Absalom showed up, I was sliding back and forth in my chair and people stared at me.
Oh, btw, I'm sure you've all noticed this, but Moria's laugh is the traditional japanese laugh sound (shi) combined with Ki, which is spirit in Japanese.
Actually 'ki' means energy.
I doubt that Oda is meaning each character's laugh to match something about them. Kishishishishishi has nothing to do with "energy death" or whatever.
Perona is pretty much the only OP char who's laugh had to do with their personality or power.
Dammit Greg, I wanted to see where that one was going.
I am somehow glad that Oda decides about closing this arc once and for all, because, seriously, I am so worry about Moria's power.
He, in my opinion, has the most broken power in One Piece. If this continue, I may get a heart attack for worrying to much (SARCASM).
He has only one natural weakness, that is, the sun, since if it's day then he cannot detach his own shadow from him or he'll turn to ashes. If it's night, he can do anything (from manipulating raw shadows to manipulating matter through the object's shadow)! Partnering him with Blackbeard to create artificial gravitation-induced darkness with his Yami Yami no Mi might achieve the same effect, and we just created the Ultimate Superstar Tag Team!
The simple amputate-shadow-from-enemies technique is by itself an instant killer if he did it in well lit environment, and it is complemented with his large physique for easy reach. He is a problem later on so might as well get rid of him now… He is so imbalanced!!!
He has only one natural weakness, that is, the sun, since if it's day then he cannot detach his own shadow from him or he'll turn to ashes.
Erm, the sun is not the weakness of a shadow. A shadow is a form that requires light to form it. In absolute darkness a shadow can´t form because everything is dark and an object can´t form a shadow that belongs to it alone.
Without light a shadow can´t do shit. You could say that it´s there in absolute darkness but it wouldn´t have no form which could do anything. So as long as there´s shadows that you can see on the ground there´ll always be a little light that creates them. Be it electric or moonlight, you don´t necessarily need the sun for it. And if Moria´s powers worked that well so far under any kind of light they will surely continue working well under sunlight too.
Erm, the sun is not the weakness of a shadow. A shadow is a form that requires light to form it. In absolute darkness a shadow can´t form because everything is dark and an object can´t form a shadow that belongs to it alone.
Without light a shadow can´t do shit. You could say that it´s there in absolute darkness but it wouldn´t have no form which could do anything. So as long as there´s shadows that you can see on the ground there´ll always be a little light that creates them. Be it electric or moonlight, you don´t necessarily need the sun for it. And if Moria´s powers worked that well so far under any kind of light they will surely continue working well under sunlight too.
I see… your point is taken and I stand corrected! So the sun is not by all means his weakness but only somehow limited the use of his power... The F*cker has only a few and not even obvious means of being defeated... still, imbalanced!
Ivotas i think parklanes original thought with the sun beeing a weakness is that Moria might suffer the same fate as those he steals shadows from. Meaning he can't detatch his own shadow in fear of desintigrateing. but he wont be physically weakened and can still use other parts of his power.
If this is true or not is anyones guess.
But I'm not entirely sure that i agree with complete darkness makeing a shadow shapeless. Since Moria can controll his shadow to be even where he does not obstruct the light (and none where he does), i find it possible and even likely that he can form it in complete darkness.
Light (or lack thereof) seems to be completly irrelevent when the shadow is under the effect of the fruit. It's just a minor annoyans (that might incinerate the shadows owner) but not an obsticle that can't be overcome.
And by the way. who says shadows are only cast by visible light? what about the infrared? heat? any form of radiation? Its still part of the light spectrum and as such they could be able to cast shadows. Just not anything that is visible to the human eye. (Though pell could perhaps see some cast by ultraviolett when in falcon form) Who knows just how the shadow fruit works? =S
I feel SOOOOOO geeky right now =P
Ivotas i think parklanes original thought with the sun beeing a weakness is that Moria might suffer the same fate as those he steals shadows from. Meaning he can't detatch his own shadow in fear of desintigrateing. but he wont be physically weakened and can still use other parts of his power.
I see. Interesting thought indeed, however I still think that it shouldn´t be a problem because even if the shadow doesn´t lay down to Morias feet he is still attached to him somehow. At least I think that this makes the difference here.
But I'm not entirely sure that i agree with complete darkness makeing a shadow shapeless. Since Moria can controll his shadow to be even where he does not obstruct the light (and none where he does), i find it possible and even likely that he can form it in complete darkness.
Light (or lack thereof) seems to be completly irrelevent when the shadow is under the effect of the fruit. It's just a minor annoyans (that might incinerate the shadows owner) but not an obsticle that can't be overcome.
I have no doubts that Moria could make his Doppelmann enter in complete darkness. But the thing is that it couldn´t do shit there. Just look at what his Doppelmann did with Odz´s. It entered it and manipulated which in the consequence made the real body appear as if it had rubber powers. But if Doppelmann enters a region of complete darkness he simply cannot do that. There would be no change after all. In order to see that Odz´s shadow stretched there needed a ground on which you can see the limbs extending. But if there´s no such thing the shadow can´t change shape meaning Doppelmann could move freely among darkness but he couldn´t manipulate nothing.
And by the way. who says shadows are only cast by visible light? what about the infrared? heat? any form of radiation? Its still part of the light spectrum and as such they could be able to cast shadows. Just not anything that is visible to the human eye. (Though pell could perhaps see some cast by ultraviolett when in falcon form) Who knows just how the shadow fruit works? =S
I think we´re safe to assume that even though you´re right about the lights not visible for the human eye thing, there´s a limit to what extent we´ll see crap like that in One Piece. The whole thing reminds me of that "Ace will be able to create green flames" argument years ago.
Ah ok. you mean he won't be able to manipulate zombies shadows anymore. ok I can agree with that, but there's still the tangible aspect of doppleman. His brick/black bat (or whatever) and whatever other fighting abilities the shadow itself holds.
It's not completly useless if it can still be drawn forth.
Yeah, I was talking about the manipulation of everyone elses shadow that becomes useless in absolute darkness. Sorry for not making that clear.
As far as Doppelmann all by himself is concerned I agree, he would have the perfect cover in absolute darkness. But I think it would be a bit much if now even Doppelmann needs to hide. Moria´s fighting style pretty much is to let Doppelmann take all the attacks aimed at him. Now saving even Doppelmann from this fate would take the "let´s play it safe" thing a tad too much to the extreme.
I wasnt taling about hiding i was talking about useing Morias DF power at all in darkness. and that Doppelman could be used to attack there …
=P hahah we really dont get what the other guy is talking about =P
Well, if Doppelmann can´t manipulate anything inside absolute darkness then what he can all by himself inside darkness is pretty much the same outside of it for one difference: you won´t see him comming. And that pretty much is the basic concept of remaining hidden, even if it is during attacks. Hiding & attacking aren´t things that negate each other. See guerillas or ninjas for instance.
well technically noone will see anyone commeing in complete darkness so Doppelman doesnt have any advantage there… (im assumeing he doesnt have super night vision... how does doppelman see btw? does moria need to controll him like a pupet or can he give orders like a zombie?)
^I think he also give orders to his shadow, although his is special due to his devil fruit. Oda interpret shadows in One piece as sentient beings, and I think Doppelman is not an exception.
Ivotas i think parklanes original thought with the sun beeing a weakness is that Moria might suffer the same fate as those he steals shadows from. Meaning he can't detatch his own shadow in fear of desintigrateing. but he wont be physically weakened and can still use other parts of his power.
Yes, this is exactly what I meant.
About Moria controlling shadow under absolute darkness thing, I haven't thought that Blackbeard's method of causing darkness is sucking in the light instead of blocking it. I believe that zero light=no shadows… well, that just ruin my Superstar villain Tag Team. Also, that makes Blackbeard Moria's natural enemy. Great thinking guys!
Can light outside the visible spectrum cause shadows? I am a mediocre physics major myself and I believe, yes it can, since it is, well, light. Although the quality of shadow is different from shadow produced by visible light, e.g., its intensity or color is different depending on the kind of light you shone an object upon. As if this really matters, as I said, Blackbeard causes blackhole, swallows light no matter the frequency, so you have a light-free space. Well, of course, blackholes first swallow matter before light but f*ck, this is One Piece:-)
Can light outside the visible spectrum cause shadows? I am a mediocre physics major myself and I believe, yes it can, since it is, well, light. Although the quality of shadow is different from shadow produced by visible light, e.g., its intensity or color is different depending on the kind of light you shone an object upon. As if this really matters, as I said, Blackbeard causes blackhole, swallows light no matter the frequency, so you have a light-free space. Well, of course, blackholes first swallow matter before light but f*ck, this is One Piece:-)
If light were not energetic enough to pass through you, then yes it will be absorbed by you. Those really energetic ones (say, with wavelengths in the order of 10^-20m) will pass through you like nothing, while those slightly above the visible spectrum (like say in the order of 10^-8m) can still be absorbed by you, depending on how thick you are.
And yes, black holes absorb any wavelength of light (theoretically, i mean) because the speed of light has a maximum of slightly under 3x10^8m/s, while a blackhole, with its huge amount of gravity, can absorb things that are above the speed of light.
Anyway, yeah this is one piece and the shadows thing is kinda counter-intuitive so i guess it doesn't count here. I'd rather not think too much about it and just let Oda take me on a ride ;p