Shichibukai Discussion Thread

Gorlom

Then with that you're all demanding proof again. Like I said, I don't have it. So I can't argue with that in any way.

EDIT:
Gorlom: It's different because what Moria won wasn't a fight, it was pure stealing.
But darn, refer to second paragraph.

So maybe you should meet people half way and say that there is a possibility that Moria is stronger but in your opinion Croc seems to be able to hand Moria his ass?

Now you are pushing it and trying to argue semantics. You already agreed that the Army was a gimmick and the proper use of gimmicks = strenght. So by useing his army to capture Luffy he beat him. If luffy had broken out on his own you could argue Moria didnt win. but Moria released him to his ship because he couldnt wake up due to his shadow beeing stolen (in the same way Luffy couldnt escape the sand pit).

onemoment

@Moria:

This is a fun arc.
I believe that it could be a tie. Without minions though… perona could whup Croc's ass, and Baroque Works Agents could whup Moria's ass when working togehter
But still
In an open field one on one
Moria takes Croc's shadow (somehow, with his laziness and all)
Croc turns into sand.
Can't be burnt when he's in sad form. He then just needs to torture Moria with fists and sand in his eyes and stuff until he gives back his shadow. Of course, thats assuming that Croc isn't burnt up.

If Croc could do that, I would think he would have used it against Luffy. I don't think Croc can attack after turning into sand, but just move around.

tony-kun

I mean with his right hand men not being that strong, and him not putting his zombie thing together until he met hogback, do people really think they got him a bounty higher than luffy's?

Come on, his shadow was stopping luffy's punches like nothing. Dude is no pussy.

Gorlom

@tony-kun:

I mean with his right hand men not being that strong, and him not putting his zombie thing together until he met hogback, do people really think they got him a bounty higher than luffy's?

Come on, his shadow was stopping luffy's punches like nothing. Dude is no pussy.

you are makeing assumptions about when Moria got his bounty and when he became shichibukai that we dont know anything about. just telling you to tread lightly because you are on shakey ground.

also in what way is Perona "not that strong"? if it wasnt for Usopp (and possibly Robin) she could singlehandedly whoop the strawhats

Takaho

@Gorlom:

you are makeing assumptions about when Moria got his bounty and when he became shichibukai that we dont know anything about. just telling you to tread lightly because you are on shakey ground.

also in what way is Perona "not that strong"? if it wasnt for Usopp (and possibly Robin) she could singlehandedly whoop the strawhats

I'm not sure Robin would have been much of a threat that much as she's become more positive since Enies Lobby. But if it wasn't for Ussop and Sogeking, Perona and Moira would have been the most threatening things on Thriller Bark.

I'll add my opinion on Croc vs Moira.

I'd say its a tie. Like Tony-kun said taking Luffy's punches so easily, I doubt Croc's sand would be too much of a threat. No matter how big Croc would make a fist, Moira would make a bigger shadow. Moira would turn the shadow into bats which would attack Croc but pass through him with his suna suna no mi. I can't see anyone winning.

AlmostLegendary

@Takaho:

I'm not sure Robin would have been much of a threat that much as she's become more positive since Enies Lobby. But if it wasn't for Ussop and Sogeking, Perona and Moira would have been the most threatening things on Thriller Bark.

I'll add my opinion on Croc vs Moira.

I'd say its a tie. Like Tony-kun said taking Luffy's punches so easily, I doubt Croc's sand would be too much of a threat. No matter how big Croc would make a fist, Moira would make a bigger shadow. Moira would turn the shadow into bats which would attack Croc but pass through him with his suna suna no mi. I can't see anyone winning.

Moria makes his shadow croc uses his sand moria goes to sleep croc just soaks all the water out of his body and kills him he does have more than just the sand….

Mantisk

Zorro's sensei from Shimotsuki is the last Shichibukai.

ITSALION

@onemoment:

If Croc could do that, I would think he would have used it against Luffy. I don't think Croc can attack after turning into sand, but just move around.

Normally I'd agree with you, but since Eneru could attack in his complete lightning form, I'm inclined to believe that Crocodile could as well. That's assuming that he's honed his DF to the point where he could become a "Sandman."

CLERICSHADOW

ok heres a really WILD theory…ok people seem to speculate that because Jimbei name is Jimbei which means whale shark means he will be a whale shark fishman which 100 percent of people truly believe...exept me!

we have seen that there are two diffrences between the mermaid and fishman...we have seen a female mermaid and we have seen a female version of a fishman in the cover storys...

my point is...what if Jimbei isn't a fishman..what if hes a MERMAN a human upper body with a fish tail COMN wouldn that be cool and unexpected...

you guys can correct me if im wrong AND I WANT PROOF but is there any proof or saying by oda at all that Jimbei is INDEED a whale fish fishman or are we just speculating this because his name means whale fish...

my theory is Jimbei is a merman point blank and i called it first!...

ok flame me..

Komrade Korobooshi

Pics of female Fishman? I only recall seeing mermaids.

Gorlom

@CLERICSHADOW:

ok heres a really WILD theory…ok people seem to speculate that because Jimbei name is Jimbei which means whale shark means he will be a whale shark fishman which 100 percent of people truly believe...exept me!

we have seen that there are two diffrences between the mermaid and fishman...we have seen a female mermaid and we have seen a female version of a fishman in the cover storys...

my point is...what if Jimbei isn't a fishman..what if hes a MERMAN a human upper body with a fish tail COMN wouldn that be cool and unexpected...

you guys can correct me if im wrong AND I WANT PROOF but is there any proof or saying by oda at all that Jimbei is INDEED a whale fish fishman or are we just speculating this because his name means whale fish...

my theory is Jimbei is a merman point blank and i called it first!...

ok flame me..

there is no proof. (nor does 100% of the people belive he is a whaleshark fishman)

im pretty sure you didnt call it first. i belive iv seen merman somewhere before. (female was first time today for me though)

there are lots of predictions about Jimbei… we even have people calling it on him beeing human or some other fishman then whaleshark (remora has been mentioned)

Komrade Korobooshi: its that female octopuss fishwoman Hatchi is trying to court in his cover story...

CLERICSHADOW

dang it…i wanted to feel smart for a change....well it would be cool would it???

onemoment

@IT'S:

Normally I'd agree with you, but since Eneru could attack in his complete lightning form, I'm inclined to believe that Crocodile could as well. That's assuming that he's honed his DF to the point where he could become a "Sandman."

I argree, except that in this form that Croc would most likely be just as vulnerable to his weakness here. The post I was replying to made it sound like Croc could make himself intangible with sand while still attacking. And really, if Croc did turn into a giant sand monster he might make himself a bigger target–which I think may be against his style really.

Also, about the "logia defense," at some point, certain people have to be assumed to know how to get around this right? Most people seem to be assuming that no one knows the weakness of a given Logia fruit, but I don't think that's going to be the case forever.

Luffy didn't know about it because he was new to the Grandline. Crocodile however, despite his power, isn't a pirate who's strong enough to go to the New World (quote: when you understand the level of this sea, you lose sight of those dreams). So, if being a logia isn't enough to get you to the New World, more people must be able to fight logia's then we realize.

After all, people like Smoker, Ao Kiji, and Ace must be famous among several pirates. Now, would Moria know about this? I dunno, but I think it's more possible then some are suggesting.

Gorlom

are we sure Crocodile never went/could go to the new world? i thought the reason he stayed in alabasta was partly because he thought/knew the stone there contained information on Pluton?

onemoment

@Gorlom:

are we sure Crocodile never went/could go to the new world? i thought the reason he stayed in alabasta was partly because he thought/knew the stone there contained information on Pluton?

I believe that it's suggested that Crocodile was badly defeated at some point in his life, ending his conquest of the sea (remember the pirate king dream in the cover story?). He wanted Pluton to give himself the power to take down the marine holy land, kind of like Moria has Odz so he can defeat Kido.

Lobolover

He never stated he wants to crush Maire Joie (and who knows if the Government doesnt have its own,much more powerfull weapon (why they refused to use it and sent Spandam to get Pluton's blueprints instead) ,witch,in a crisis,they would use to stop an invading force?) ,he only said he wants to make himself King of Arabasta (sprta).When he would become Kng,the government would be freakded out,but wouldnt know about the conspiracy,nor the weapon until later,cause if he wouldve won,all the witnesses wouldve been dead.He could then use Pluton (and no one knows if thered BE anyone left to tell about it,and even if,they wouldnt really know what it was,I cant see an alabastan kid runing to a marine,saying "Sir Crocodile has aquired Pluton,the ancient weapon!") and when the government would find out,they would either take nodirect action against him IMEDIATELY ,and before they doul,Croc wouldve given them the weapon to end the pirate age,for witch they would be so thankfull,that they would send ca. 20 000 marine soldiers to Alabasta to officialise and stablise Croc's rule.

Gorlom

hahahah whats up with the extremly long sentances and the abundant use of commas? there's like 9 of them in the same sentance. =P (sorry i just had to ask)

you have an "either" in there but i see no following "or"/second option.

and why would Crocodile end the pirate age when he dreams about becoming the Pirate king?

Lobolover

HAD .He may just have it hidden in the back of his head,but has long given up on actively pursuing it.

Gorlom

didnt know you had a phd in psychology…

Moria

New chapter out

News on Moria

Potential spoiler

! Well Moria runs really awkwardly, with his head jutting out, and his arms pumping up and down. Just thought I'd add that
Also, it appears that he can immediatly sychronize his zombies, they turn braindead and then he just tells them what to do

That's what might happen:
Luffy vs BB (if he can be considered as a Shichibukai)
Zoro vs Hawkeye
Nami & Robin vs Donquixote
Chopper vs Kuma
Sanji vs Moria
Franky vs Jimbei
Usopp & ??? (whoever joins th crew) vs ??? (the unknown one)

Moria

@sean91:

That's what might happen:
Luffy vs BB (if he can be considered as a Shichibukai)
Zoro vs Hawkeye
Nami & Robin vs Donquixote
Chopper vs Kuma
Sanji vs Moria
Franky vs Jimbei
Usopp & ??? (whoever joins th crew) vs ??? (the unknown one)

This gave me a nice long laugh.

Angel emfrbl

Ditto.

16 Characters of laughter.

Moria

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=208531&LastModified=4675637671400545804

This made me frown

:*(

Lobolover

"http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav…37671400545804"

??WTH??

Man,what freaks are out there.

Zephos

@sean91:

That's what might happen:
Luffy vs BB (if he can be considered as a Shichibukai)
Zoro vs Hawkeye
Nami & Robin vs Donquixote
Chopper vs Kuma
Sanji vs Moria
Franky vs Jimbei
Usopp & ??? (whoever joins th crew) vs ??? (the unknown one)

Whats going on here

Moria

God.
All the people on that "Moria is most bad looking Shichibukai" are just insulting him because they want more Lucci's and Mihawks. Oh my god, why are they even reading One Piece?

Double-Dudes

I wonder what Oda can pull off to make Moria look like a proper 'bad guy'. So far there's not really much going on with him but ambition and lazyness, which - in my opinion - don't make him look too villainous. Crocodile got a whole lot of buildup to be as hateworthy as possible! So did guys like Kuro, who had like a handful of chapters dedicated to themselves! So far all we got out of Moria is his disrespect for other people (as he goes around robbing shadows and therefore their freedom), not to forget the dream of the entire world being an obidient society. He's lazy and doesn't like doing things himself? So what. That just proves he's clever. Why get your hands dirty if others can do it for you. :p

I see Moria as sort of similiar to Foxy, as in not being all that much of a bad guy. He want's to be the Pirate King. He wants revenge. Maybe a little 'taking over the world'-added into the mix. So there. Perhaps he'll get his jagged teeth punched down his throat, but I'd say he and his whuppin' whole three living crew members will be going home free after the SHs have finished things up.

Unless the following chapters turn him into a total dickhead, he may easily be among the least evil Shichibukais, which sort of feuds with his theme and looks. :X

*Meh*

Of all the ships that disappeared in the Florian Triangle, were all of them pirate vessels? If innocent people were taken to Thriller Bark to have their shadows removed, then Moria is guilty of kidnapping on a large scale. Moreover, the shadowless people have to live the rest of their lives in darkness, for fear of the sun. With pirates, it might be one thing. But for ordinary citizens trying to get to Gyojin-to, this is nothing less than unlawful imprisonment- with a life sentence to boot.

This is all within the hypothetical realm of "if", since it hasn't been stated whether all of Moria's victims were pirates or not. But in this context, Moria is senselessly cruel: he robs people of their lives to leave them with an empty, limited existance, all so that he can have more underlings to ease the pursuit of his own happiness.

Lobolover

Different people tend to aproach their goals differently.

Angel emfrbl

Well, ut was stated Moria is after people with bountys (everyone else isn't good enough for his tougher zombies) mainly. That means his main goal is pirates and other criminals. I imagine with so many people disappearing, the innocent people would be presumed to have met the same fate as the pirates and all. Moria could quite get away with all this on th basis of the Marines might not know he is behind all this.

They didn't know Croc had BW, who knows what Moria does?

sadrhg

Even if the WG did know that Moria was kidnapping innocents along with Pirates I'd doubt they'd make a big deal about it unless Moria was actively plotting against the WG.

And isn't wanting the whole entire world to be a obedient society evil?

prutas

In terms of design alone, Moria is very evil. He's got the horns and the pointy teeth, not to mention the big belly!

Mugiwara No Hermy

Gecko Moria is one of my favourite villains, I really like that guy.

Lobolover

Me to…...........................

Timur Lane

Gecko Moria>Rest of the Shichibukai in design.

SabZ

@noxnames:

Gecko Moria>Rest of the Shichibukai in design.

I think Jimbei will take Oda's ability to the next level. That is if Oda sees Jimbei the way I hope to.

Timur Lane

@$abZ:

I think Jimbei will take Oda's ability to the next level. That is if Oda sees Jimbei the way I hope to.

What i meant with "Moria>Rest of the Shichibukai" was that Moria's design is the best of the Shichibukai we have seen so far.
Jimbei and the last Shichibukai can be both awesome in design for all we know.

Moria

Man, I'm loving Thriller Bark, but the more fanfics, and pics of Jimbei (what he looks like, I mean) I see, the more excited I get for TB.
It would be interesting if TB crashed into Gyojin Island followed by either

Jimbei kicking the shit out of Moria
Jimbei teaming up with Moria for a tagteam sort of thing.

Angel emfrbl

I don't know why people complaing about Moria's design… Look at it this way, Moria makes Mihawk's design look all that dam cooler!

SabZ

@noxnames:

What i meant with "Moria>Rest of the Shichibukai" was that Moria's design is the best of the Shichibukai we have seen so far.
Jimbei and the last Shichibukai can be both awesome in design for all we know.

I know what you meant. I was just adding that I think Jimbei will be a better design.

I agree with you too. Moria's design is brilliant, and his facial expression adds to his quality. Mihawk's design is quite boring and familiar.

Gorlom

i prefere both doflamingo and kuma to moria

Archtyrant

Moria looks too dam ugly to be cool.

But his powers sure do kick @$$. I think it's one of my fave. Could even be on par with Mera Mera.

Moria

@Archtyrant:

Moria looks too dam ugly to be cool.

But his powers sure do kick @$$. I think it's one of my fave. Could even be on par with Mera Mera.

I agree he's ugly. But his design is the wierdest and most creative out of almost every character in the series.

Admiral Wolfpox

Staff Note: Way too many Kuma related threads poppin' up on the front page over the last few days, more or less discussing much the same thing. Direct all Bear related theories, predictions, baseless assumptions, DURbatin, musings, brain farts, ect. to this thread, and this thread only!

I didn't come up with this theory, but my brother forced me at knifepoint to post his theory on the Arlong Park forums, so here it is in all its glory! I'll try to make it SUUUUPAAAA for my bro~!!

First of all, we know that Kuma has long hair, but we don't know what's underneath his hat. The theory is that Kuma is balding underneath his hat, and he's probably wearing a hat because of his balding scalp.

Second of all, we know that Kuma carries a Bible. He's based on Black Bart, who was also fond of the Bible, but there will probably be some more significance to the Bible than that. I think it'll play a strange role.

Now in 2 Kings 2:23-24 there is a story of Elisha the prophet, who was going around doing miracles and prophesying, and then some kids came out of the city and starting mocking his bald head. But since Elisha was a prophet, and you do not want to mess with prophets, God sent two bears out of the wilderness to kill 42 of them, to send a message.

We don't know where Oda got inspiration to make Bartholomew into a bear type of DF user (we're assuming he has the bear DF right?) but this is probably the most famous story with bears in the Bible, so if Oda wanted to take inspiration this is a possible place to get it.

Of course, the idea is that if you make fun of Kuma's baldness, he'll totally lose his temper and kill you, like the bears did when they made fun of the prophet Elisha.

Let's all give credit to my brother for this daring, cool and powerful theory!!

Aldrich

Aren't you the one who came up with the Garp's ball and chain thread as well?

Faaip de Oiad

I'm pretty sure Kuma doesn't have a Bear-type Zoan, just like Crocodile, Moria and Hawkeye (speculation) don't have according DF.

Really Square

I doubt he has a bear Zoan DF. The Shichibukai all relate to their corresponding animal one way or another without having a Zoan DF.

Saloma

What, do you think he's too good for combovers, or something? He has enough hair for sufficent coverage, no one would ever know the difference.

Gorlom

@Aldrich:

Aren't you the one who came up with the Garp's ball and chain thread as well?

yes. its in his signature even