so, the conclusion of the book is that they all have red-haired kids.
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows
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I didn't think the romance was written very well either, but I've never really gotten why HBP is singled out as bad fanfiction compared to the others… I didn't see any difference in writing style compared to her other books. Not that it didn't have it's own flaws, but nothing that really screamed "BAD FANFIC" to me.
I think most it stems from the fact that many people felt that a lot of the characters including Harry, Ron, Hermoine, and Dumbledore were very out of character. Not to mention Ginny becoming a Mary Sue character suddenly when previously she had been a very minor character at best. Her only important role being in the Chamber of Secrets.
Also the fact that Dumbledore died so easily. I'm sure most people expected him to fight voldemort in an epic battle and lose the way Obi Wan did with Vader.
Personally I go for the "out of character" argument and the "Ginny Sue" argument. That's mostly what made me hate HBP.
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Hmm… never heard that about HBP. I'll have to reread the books again and keep that in mind. They seemed fairly normal to me, although the "Ginny Sue" and Dumbledore's death are things that I can agree with.
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Hmm… never heard that about HBP. I'll have to reread the books again and keep that in mind. They seemed fairly normal to me, although the "Ginny Sue" and Dumbledore's death are things that I can agree with.
Most of the OOC comments are mostly related to Hermoine. Many thought she was an entirely different character in HBP.
A more stupid Hermoine so to speak.
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Besides the relationship issues (which just seemed like normal teenage drama to me), I didn't notice any major difference in intelligence or personality… Was there any other way she's supposed to be stupid/OOC besides that?
So anyways, I'm about halfway through now...
! Harry just can't catch a break in this book, can he? I'm beginning to the suspect that Rowling's secretly a sadist.
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@Anime:
The Following People Are Dead:
! Hedwig the Owl (By Death Eaters)
Mad Eye Moody (By Voldemort)
Ted Tonks (By Death Eaters)
Dobby the House Elf (By Bellatrix)
Remus Lupin (By Death Eaters)
Nymphadora Tonks (By Death Eaters)
Lavender Brown (By Greyback)
Colin Creevy (By Death Eaters)
Fenir Greyback (By Trewlany)
Fred Weasly (By a Death Eater named Yaxley)
Crabbe (By himself)
Bellatrix Lestrange (By Mrs. Weasley)
Severus Snape (By Voldemort)
Lord Voldemort (By Harry)! Heh I'm afew chapters before finishing the book, but damn why the fuck did she kill off all the cool/interesting characters? Kill Ron damn or Ginny damnit, Fred & George are the only Weasleys worth caring about.
…and the chapter 'The Prince's Tale' was 50-50 to me.
Greyback was pretty badass in this book, too bad he had to be killed by Trewlany. Crabbe killed himself? That's irony for ya.
Mrs. Weasley KILLED someone?!
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Right. Just finished it a few hours ago. I like it much better than HBP, but it's still a "meh" for me. Fairly predictable at some points (but, by no means, not all), while dragging on at parts I'd rather not read. Though there are some freakin awesome moments that are worth the wait. And Ginny's no longer the godawful "Ginny Sue" from HBP.
So anyhoo…
! I love how high the body count is for this book, but kinda disappointed that Harry is still alive. Pfffft.
! The part that screamed "bad fanfic" for me is the whole Snape-in-love-with-Lily thing. That's my biggest problem with this book. Not that it's inconceivable, or that I don't like the idea, it's just… hastily shuffed in and dealt with so badly it feels like a bad fanfic.The epilogue… is so shit it makes me want to kill babies.
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It also seemed like she cut off all loose ties with Harry and mended basically all of his bitterness towards certain people.
! The Dursleys, Scrimageour, the Malfoys, Kreacher, and probably some more that I can't remember right now.
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It also seemed like she cut off all loose ties with Harry and mended basically all of his bitterness towards certain people.
! The Dursleys, Scrimageour, the Malfoys, Kreacher, and probably some more that I can't remember right now.
! Also, I don't remember where it said Lavender or Fenrir died, are you sure about those?! I don't think Lavender dies either. I thought it's Trelawney who pwns Greyback and consequently saves Lavender :wassat: I could be wrong…
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! I don't think Lavender dies either. I thought it's Trelawney who pwns Greyback and consequently saves Lavender :wassat: I could be wrong…
! No, I think Hermione saves Lavender, stuns Greyback, and then Trelawney ownz him with a crystal ball.
Anyways, I disagree with Dumbledore's death being pointless, but Snape's surely was, and I can't believe it was the same Snape from the other Books.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Anyways, I disagree with Dumbledore's death being pointless, but Snape's surely was, and I can't believe it was the same Snape from the other Books.
Yeah, I think Snape is overall really weirdly handled in this book. I really don't know how to put it. It feels like not only that he doesn't get enough spotlight considering how much role he plays in Dumbledore's plan, but also anything to do with him is badly written.
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Yeah, I think Snape is overall really weirdly handled in this book. I really don't know how to put it. It feels like not only that he doesn't get enough spotlight considering how much role he plays in Dumbledore's plan, but also anything to do with him is badly written.
Yeah. I would have expected Snape to be a bit more himself, but the whole thing of being obsessed with love was what made him a weak character in this book.
Anyways, the Dursley really shined in the beginning, and the whole "Petunia-Dumbledore" relation made sense at last.
PS: WTF does BLIMEY mean? XD
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Blimey? It's like crikey. (HAHA me so funny) Er… it's just an exclaimation you use when you're surprised or exasperated.
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I actually got the book.
! I believe Greyback does die. You are right though. Hermione does save Lavender. I was reading a photo copied version on my labtop. I was bound to screw up.
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Just finished the book. Overall, very good, exept for a few slow chapters. HOWEVER, what's with JKR "two important people will die" statement? She went on a regular killing spree!
! Snape!!! :sad:
And the epilogue was unnecessary, exept for 'bravest man I've ever knew' comment, and the 'Albus Severus'…
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Yeah the epilogue was just… =/
I would have preferred an extra chapter to tidy things up, and then maybe a Remember the Titans kind of thing that tells us a little bit about what happened to everybody.
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It would have been better if the Epilogue just had Albus Severus and an extremely old Ron Weasly with crockshanks (Gasp! that would be an an old cat, but who cares), Ted and Duddley visiting the thomb of Harry. :P
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Shit, I just finished the book. They all have creepy ginger kids. Great.
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I liked these books until they started becoming more centered on the fight with Voldemort. I've never thought them fantasy on par with Gaiman, Tolkien, or Le Guin but they were entertaining. Then Voldemort came back and everything went to shit. Rather than writing books about the intricacies of a magical world, lives of the wizards and witches that live there, and interesting ideas, it leaps to teenage angst, poorly written romance, and gigantic plot holes revolving around Mr. Snake and friends.
Still, that's nothing compared to her fucking FANS. These people are so zealotic about these books I'm not surprised Christians are worried about them; she's taking their business. And god forbid any publisher or critic give her a bad review or a swarm of angry nerds descend upon them like a plague of locusts.
"Yeah, I only wish Manny were here to see this."
"…Then why did you kill him?"
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@Archibald:
Still, that's nothing compared to her fucking FANS. These people are so zealotic about these books I'm not surprised Christians are worried about them; she's taking their business. And god forbid any publisher or critic give her a bad review or a swarm of angry nerds descend upon them like a plague of locusts.
Congratulations, good sir. An internet is yours.
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@Cap'n:
This is the same way I felt. I have 0 interest in reading the damn book, they're terribly written and stupid, etc., but I STILL wanted to know what would happen for some mind-numbing reason.. So I just read spoilers on Wikipedia. Everyone wins!
That's me as well.
Found the epilogue to be really lame.
Everyone gets married to eachother and they have little babies and they all go to hogwarts and harry's scar don't hurt no more.
Even the ending was kinda cliche tho. Idk, I just expected more with how much this book was hyped up.
Despite all the death's, it really had a children's book ending. I also felt alot of stuff was just pulled out of her ass. Like whatshisface really being a good guy devoted to protecting Harry the whole time. If this was hinted somewhere, let me know, but otherwise, that just sounds like some poor cliche writing.
but w/e, if the fans are happy.
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Wow, way to stereotype Christians.
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I kind of loved how she threw in that epilogue, so she could fuck with everyone's potential fanfics and stupid pairings.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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Anyways, Ron was very bitchy in this book, considering that he already wen trough the whole "OMFG!HARRYISMOREPOPULARTHANME" Angts in the 4th Book. I hoped Rowling killed him off, but the ending was so cliche, and after all the whole thing between Harry and the weasleys, I at least found dissapointed that he rather called her daughter Lily instead of Molly.
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@Cap'n:
I kind of loved how she threw in that epilogue, so she could fuck with everyone's potential fanfics and stupid pairings.
That's the only reason i dont flat out say i hate the epilogue.
Cept for that awesome slytherin and being brave reference, cause harry was sorted into there in book 1.
J
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That's the only reason i dont flat out say i hate the epilogue.
Cept for that awesome slytherin and being brave reference, cause harry was sorted into there in book 1.
that was more a Snape reference I belive….oh well
lol @ writers thoughts stopping fanfiction
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@Freeman-12:
=_= Yeah that was wierd.
…but seriously what was the freaking point behind introducing Cho if her role ends lame in Book 5?Because Cho was Harry's very first ho.
Anyways I'm sure we'll see a sequel about how Harry's ginger kids start up an army of ginger's to take over the world.
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that was more a Snape reference I belive….oh well
lol @ writers thoughts stopping fanfiction
Oh, yea i know it was a snape reference, but it is just another reason harry was sorted there in his first year. lol wouldn't it be awesome though if harry told his kids he was the bravest man he knew?
J
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Ugh, seven books of build up for the most anti-climactic final fight in the history of everything (although it's not surprising considering that Harry Potter is kind of…useless?). Although, the semi-major characters were done pretty well, and I also enjoyed the teachers repelling the siege. The deaths were kind of random and unimportant though.
"GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH" was pretty much the greatest moment in the Harry Potter series I think.
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I really dont see how the Snape is really good came out of nowhere, since I pretty much claimed that point ever since reading the of HBP . The way he acted, I just knew it was a made up plan between him and Dumbledore.
And half the people on the internet, predicted since book 5 that Snape was in love with Lilly. She threw hints all throughtout the book, particular in book 5.
The epilogue was shit, but it is kind of funny how Harry's perception of Snape is totally different and he named his child after him when Sirius didnt even get a nod.
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That's something else that bothered me about these books. When Sirius was introduced (when we got past the point of him being an ex-con and murderer) I thought this would be a father-figure character that Harry could learn from and relate to. Sirius would be a second father, and the bond between them would help Harry grow into a man. Little did I suspect that he would eventually be offed by drapery, and then practically forgotten for the remainder of the series.
And no one really points out the fact that it's kind of Harry's fault he's dead. If Harry had not gone to the ministry, if he had not been so stupid or at least planned on how he was going to deal with the situation in his drea, Sirius would not have been needed to save his ass, and he would still be alive. Yet no one points out this fact. No one sits Harry down and says, "You know if you hadn't been such an insolent, little shit your godfather might still be alive. Just something to think about in the future." That could have been a moment where the hero realizes that there are consequences for his actions and that he needs to think things through more i.e. be more of an adult.
"Yeah, I only wish Manny were here to see this."
"…Then why did you kill him?"
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yeah Snapes last line to Harry before he runs away in book 6 is all the proof I needed that he was good.
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And no one really points out the fact that it's kind of Harry's fault he's dead. If Harry had not gone to the ministry, if he had not been so stupid or at least planned on how he was going to deal with the situation in his drea, Sirius would not have been needed to save his ass, and he would still be alive. Yet no one points out this fact. No one sits Harry down and says, "You know if you hadn't been such an insolent, little shit your godfather might still be alive. Just something to think about in the future." That could have been a moment where the hero realizes that there are consequences for his actions and that he needs to think things through more i.e. be more of an adult.
We also forget that Dumbledore could have had Harry united all three Deathly Hallows and that Harry was in reach of destroying four of the six Horcruxes during his lifetime. The whole Voldemort issue could have been relaxed with far greater ease if Dumbledore had, instead of "let Harry enjoy himself", explained the situation to the young kid and had Harry hunt down Voldemort during his school years.
The Diadem? Could have been destroyed by Book VI at latest. Journal? Book II. Locket? Book V at most. Nagini? Heck, if Harry reacted better, he could have killed her in Godric's Hollow.
Nothing in this story went "Just as Planned" - everything ended up unveiling the epic stupidity of Voldemort.
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You know despite someone saying that Harry Potter past book five is full of teenagers with angst I don't really see much angst in this series… Well I do but I mean not all the characters are as angsty as people think. If anythign the only consistant angsty character is Ron who tends to act like a whiny bitch over Harry's fame in every single book. I mean you'd think that by now Ron would have grown up.
As for Harry himself. Book 5 yeah I'd agree he was angsty... so angsty that he needed CAPS LOCK to make his point. In book 6 he was more paranoid than angsty. However, in book 7 he is anything but angsty. From what I see Harry is fully mature and is willing to accept his fate like a man compared to how he was around book 4 and 5. I really think his time teaching Defense against the dark arts in Book 5 was the turning point where Harry really began to grow up.
It's a shame in book 6 Rowling tried to undermine that by turning Harry into a cheating prick by using Snape's old potions book.
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Snape REALLY BEING GOOD was unveiled in the first goddamn book.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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This book was good, but more characters should have died. Fred Weasley is the best she could do?
Mrs. Weasley fighting Bellatrix was pretty awesome because you could see her finally getting a chance to strike back after years of having her family nearly maimed/killed, but that line made my balls shrink back into my pelvis with how fucking Hollywood cornball it was.
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Harry has always been stupid. In EVERY book things had to be explained to him like he was 5 years old or something.
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Harry has always been stupid. In EVERY book things had to be explained to him like he was 5 years old or something.
Well of course. After all it's not like he grew up within the wizarding world all his life so he could understand everything. Besides Harry's low knowledge of the wizarding world makes it easy to not only to explain it to Harry but the readers what's going on. After all would anyone be able to understand what's going on if Harry had all the answers from day one?
Personally it would have been cool if Ron went to the dark side in this book and Harry had to take him down. I wouldn't have felt sorry for Ron at all.
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Well of course. After all it's not like he grew up within the wizarding world all his life so he could understand everything. Besides Harry's low knowledge of the wizarding world makes it easy to not only to explain it to Harry but the readers what's going on. After all would anyone be able to understand what's going on if Harry had all the answers from day one?
Most of the time common logic couldve been apllied to understand things yet he never thought of that. And good with good storytelling you can tell everything withouth having to explain everything to the main char/readers like here.
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@Cap'n:
Snape REALLY BEING GOOD was unveiled in the first goddamn book.
Amen.
It was never a surprise. What was a surprise – to me at least -- was how oblivious Harry was to it, even though Snape saved him (directly or indirectly) numerous times. After the second book, I informally renamed the series "Professor Snape and the [Sorcerer's Stone, Order of the Pheonix, etc] …"
Looks like my hunch was right.
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I would have really enjoyed it if Ron died. He was whining through the entire book about how he was less popular than Harry Potter and that Hermione liked Hermione. And then he always made really corny flirts with Hermione which made me cringe. They were like "Hermione, I wouldn't let you get killed by Voldemort, because you know, then you'd like die… or something"
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Voldermort was utterly stupid. His obsession to kill Harry himself was very childish IMO. I mean, who would have given a damn to question his powers when he had the godly wand? XD
Anyways, the best part were Crabbe and Neville's development, who found out how great they could be without Malfoy and Harry perspectively. :p
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I would have really enjoyed it if Ron died. He was whining through the entire book about how he was less popular than Harry Potter and that Hermione liked Hermione. And then he always made really corny flirts with Hermione which made me cringe. They were like "Hermione, I wouldn't let you get killed by Voldemort, because you know, then you'd like die… or something"
Ron is easily the most annoying character in the series. XD
Heh it's probably no wonder why people keep comparing Ron to Naruto…
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Like whatshisface really being a good guy devoted to protecting Harry the whole time. If this was hinted somewhere, let me know, but otherwise, that just sounds like some poor cliche writing.
Well the only hints I can think of is how Dumbledore was always "I have something which causes me to trust snape no matter what and i won't tell you because it would be spoiler"
I didn't mind the book as a whole, I felt she crammed way to much in though and you just felt overloaded with information (some of which you really didn't care about) The final battle was probably the most. anticlimactic. thing. ever. and the Epilogue made me want to throw up. Fair enough she want to tell everyone what happened bu "albus Severus"? eugh. I'm less interesting in their kids name and more interested in what their jobs are, and what happened to the weasly wizards wheezes after fred died, also who's the new minister for magic and the new headmaster of howarts amoung alot of other things which jk didn't include.
In terms of her writing style I know alot of people say its badly written, i think this is due mostly to her conversational style, which is also what makes it such a quick read. If you go back and read the first book, you'll notice the child like voice which she uses really adds charm to the simple style, which I think is why the first book was so popular, however from about book 3 on this voice was lost and most of the charm in her writing was gone. Plus she has habit of writing things stupidly as if trying to sound intellegent ("it was not I who killed you Albus!"). (btw all this is based on cretaive writing course I've done through uni and not just random dirbble.)
I also agree with one of the earlier points in this thread about the story gowing downhill since book4, before then it was all magical adventures and them solving mysterys and such but then when voldemort came back it was all angst and darkness, Hell I'm fairly sure somewhere in the 6th book it says something like "harry didn't feel excited like he would have in his first year with a mystery to get to the bottom of" or something simillar.
Also it shits me that Sirius never came back. Every Father figure Harry's ever had has died and Sirius was the only one who seemed slightly plausible to come back because of the manner of his death. Hell even his uncle figure (lupin) died. which I think was a cop out easy way to get out of dealing with the werewolf thing.
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! I don't think Lavender dies either. I thought it's Trelawney who pwns Greyback and consequently saves Lavender :wassat: I could be wrong…
! Greyback was still alive. On page 589, he was fighting Neville and Ron.
! Still, there were two moments in this book when I thought that Hagrid had died, but it turned out that he was still alive (when he fell off the flying motorcycle, and when he was being attacked by Aragog's kids).Anyways, I recently finished reading this book, and I found the ending to be satisfying.
! At least there won't be any crappy self-insert fanfiction about how one of the main characters falls in love with the author of the fanfic, since all of the pairings were resolved. Personally, out of all of the deaths, I found Dobby's to be the most touching.
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What about Fang? I hope he just ran away. I was actually surprised that he did nothing against Greyback, were not dogs like effective against were wolves? We needed "Usopp" development for the cowardly dog. XD
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We also forget that Dumbledore could have had Harry united all three Deathly Hallows and that Harry was in reach of destroying four of the six Horcruxes during his lifetime. The whole Voldemort issue could have been relaxed with far greater ease if Dumbledore had, instead of "let Harry enjoy himself", explained the situation to the young kid and had Harry hunt down Voldemort during his school years.
The Diadem? Could have been destroyed by Book VI at latest. Journal? Book II. Locket? Book V at most. Nagini? Heck, if Harry reacted better, he could have killed her in Godric's Hollow.
Nothing in this story went "Just as Planned" - everything ended up unveiling the epic stupidity of Voldemort.
Um…. then everything would've ended in like a single book.
I did a bit more research, and
! The thing about Dumbledore and the cursed ring is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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indeed
! I just stole this ring from the ruins of the hose of some of the most evil wizards ever, LETS PUT IT ON!
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Ok in this book, which I finished yesterday Tom was a basically a dumb fuck.
and the ONLY other thing I didn't like baout the book was that there wasn't a cool mano y mano battle between the riddle and potter. :/ I mean there was KINDA but not really.
oh yeah and Love for fred. R.I.P.
