Really, we've just been lucky that people have been posting the raws BEFORE anyone in Japan can buy it.
I'm totally fine with waiting until after that. My frothing demand will have to subside.
Really, we've just been lucky that people have been posting the raws BEFORE anyone in Japan can buy it.
I'm totally fine with waiting until after that. My frothing demand will have to subside.
Ussop is a logia.
He's been hiding this secret all along…
he hides it damn well beeing able to swim and all… =P
It's those pants of his I tell you! They hold all the power…
Usopp googles must have eaten a Fruit, perhaps the "HEAL MY MASTER WITH A PATHETIC SELF STEEM" Fruit…...
Who knows, maybe Nami ate a Fruit, have we ever seen her swimming? Maybe she ate the elusive "Ero-Ero-No-Mi", increasing her breast size as she becomes stronger...
EDIT:
How? Absalom was GROPING the naked flesh of Nami, do you think he would have had enough concentration to do something else besides producing Gas? And like Crocodile said, the complete transformation is harder to achieve than the creation of the "element"...
I think a Naked Chick would be enough for a male character to loose his head, specially someone as perverted as Absalom.....
And besides, how would have been possible for him to restrain Nami if he had turned into Gas? See? There's still a chance that he turns out to be a Logia, but of course, it does make more sense that he is a Paramecia like Mr.3 or Foxy.
This post just shattered FFA's theory. Shattered. I think I just shat myself.
Not really. What proof do you have that Nami hit him? The sort of "Ugh" sound he made before running off? Cmon, now, that could have just been his disgust at Usopp's fart. The image shows Nami kicking a bucket into the air, you don't actually see if it hits anything or not.
And Kaimei and the others, grow up. For one, we did see Nami swim, when she rescued Zoro at Arlong Park. And two, trying to say everyone has a devil fruit is just stupid. If you don't agree, fine. Don't be idiots.
@Fire Fist:
Not really. What proof do you have that Nami hit him? The sort of "Ugh" sound he made before running off? Cmon, now, that could have just been his disgust at Usopp's fart. The image shows Nami kicking a bucket into the air, you don't actually see if it hits anything or not.
And Kaimei and the others, grow up. For one, we did see Nami swim, when she rescued Zoro at Arlong Park. And two, trying to say everyone has a devil fruit is just stupid. If you don't agree, fine. Don't be idiots.
Ehm. That last Post of Nami and Usopp was not serious, and I did actually forget about that last stuff you mentioned. XD
By the way, I think there was an "Impact" when Nami kicked Absalom, but like I said, the mere sight of a Naked Nami would have been enough to make Absalom to loose the concentration required to fully transform before being hitted.
You know, if it wasn't for Smoker, I wouldn't even consider the chance of Abslaom being a Logia….
@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Usopp googles must have eaten a Fruit, perhaps the "HEAL MY MASTER WITH A PATHETIC SELF STEEM" Fruit…...
Who knows, maybe Nami ate a Fruit, have we ever seen her swimming? Maybe she ate the elusive "Ero-Ero-No-Mi", increasing her breast size as she becomes stronger...
EDIT:
How? Absalom was GROPING the naked flesh of Nami, do you think he would have had enough concentration to do something else besides producing Gas? And like Crocodile said, the complete transformation is harder to achieve than the creation of the "element"...
I think a Naked Chick would be enough for a male character to loose his head, specially someone as perverted as Absalom.....
And besides, how would have been possible for him to restrain Nami if he had turned into Gas? See? There's still a chance that he turns out to be a Logia, but of course, it does make more sense that he is a Paramecia like Mr.3 or Foxy.
Smoker was able to pin down Luffy while at the same time turning to smoke to block Sanji's attack, shown here:
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter100.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1980
Plus, if Smoker can grab people with smoke, explain why Absalom couldn't grab people with whatever element he is (be it gas or otherwise)
FFA: can you explain to me again how nitrogen and oxygen makes absolom invisible and smell like sakura?
i find your explanation oddly inconsistant in what the power is made up out of and how it works.
(another reason i dont belive Oda would choose a breath logia… its too confusing to be explained properly in the manga.)
PS. did sanctum delete his post?
@Fire Fist:
Smoker was able to pin down Luffy while at the same time turning to smoke to block Sanji's attack, shown here:
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter100.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1980
Plus, if Smoker can grab people with smoke, explain why Absalom couldn't grab people with whatever element he is (be it gas or otherwise)
You brought up a Good Point…
1-Remember when Robin was "Licked"? Could have a "Gas Tongue" produce saliva? I don't think so.
2.-I do ignore if the shape of the limbs changes after fully transforming, so instead of arguing that Absalom's hands had a normal form when he pinned Nami against a Wall, let's get to the most important Point..
3.-If he was a Logia, why he didn't simply stretched his arms to "grab" Robin? His arms were pretty much stopped by Robin's Sprouted Arms, and we have already seen that Logias can stretch while being solidified...
Now, I had forgot about that, but now it seems even less possible that Absalom is a Logia..
Prior to his knowledge of Nami, Absalom could have easily captured Robin if he was a Logia, transforming into a Semi-Solid cloud of Gas after Robin stopped his arms with her powers, but he didn't, he rather returned to Thriller Bark with his hands empty.
That's it. Absalom is a Paramecia.
1)imo this point is just silly
2)there is no point
3) are you talking about when he was on the boat and invisible? cant really comment on this one.
4)Absolom wanted a weak human wife. Robin was probably too strong and reminded him too much of Perona..
@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
You brought up a Good Point…
1-Remember when Robin was "Licked"? Could have a "Gas Tongue" produce saliva? I don't think so.
This may sound silly, but I don't think his face can participate in his power. He can still make it invisible by surrounding it with his ability, but that face isn't his original face, it's a graft put on by Hogback for whatever reason.
Other than that, he could have just turned his tongue solid to lick her.
3.-If he was a Logia, why he didn't simply stretched his arms to "grab" Robin? His arms were pretty much stopped by Robin's Sprouted Arms, and we have already seen that Logias can stretch while being solidified…
After examining the scene, It's possible that Robin's power was unexpected, because look here:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/chapter444bykokotas.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=10668
Sanji's floating very high off the ground. Absalom is tall, but not that tall.
Im going to go ahead and say that if Absolom is standing on the railing he could be holding Sanjis feet above his headwithout beeing logia no problem.
I've had it with these motherfucking logia-theories on this motherfucking message board.
It is not a logia, period.
Im going to go ahead and say that if Absolom is standing on the railing he could be holding Sanjis feet above his headwithout beeing logia no problem.
Yeah, but look at when his body smacks on the side of the Sunny. Are you telling me that Absalom grabbed him in mid jump and pulled him back up on his own power while leaning/crouching (both impossible, because they're on a thin railing), then lifted him up all the way over his head?
That's just nuts, man.
That's just nuts, man.
…. might i add that Luffy is made out of rubber after eating a fruit? =P
artistic freedom my friend... Invisible people get away with doing so much more then visible people do =P
could you explain your theory fully in the "theories that dont deserve their own thread" thread FFA so that we can stop pissing people of in the current chapter discussion?
Oh please.
Nitrogen is one of the most stable molecules ever, it has a fricking triple bond. It's not flammable and will only oxidice if you submit it to really high temperatures and pressures, and even then the oxides will revert to molecular nitrogen as soon as they get the chance. The word "flammable" can't even be applied to nitrogen:
Inflammability is the ease with which a substance will ignite, causing fire or combustion. Materials that will ignite at temperatures commonly encountered are considered inflammable, with various specific definitions giving a temperature requirement.
Wikipedia has spoken.
What's the problem with an invisibility fruit? We've had a weight-alteration fruit, a slowing-down fruit, a dismemberment fruit and a teleportation fruit. If all those were viable as stand-alone Devil Fruits, so is invisibility. Particularly since we've seen that Absalom's powers aren't limited to himself.
Absalom's ranged attacks are just him throwing invisible stuff.
As a further note: We already had Mr. 5 shooting exploding breath at his enemies. Oda won't repeat that gimmick.
who had the teleportation fruit?
:w00t:yohoho
good morning
dude's !!!!!!!!!
What the hell was that?
@Monkey:
Oh please.
Nitrogen is one of the most stable molecules ever, it has a fricking triple bond. It's not flammable and will only oxidice if you submit it to really high temperatures and pressures, and even then the oxides will revert to molecular nitrogen as soon as they get the chance. The word "flammable" can't even be applied to nitrogen:
Wikipedia has spoken.
Wikipedia is your final verdict? Wikipedia's not always right, especially when someone decides to edit an article.
Yes, Nitrogen is relatively inert, but when applied to extremely high pressure/heat, it can ignite.
What's the problem with an invisibility fruit? We've had a weight-alteration fruit, a slowing-down fruit, a dismemberment fruit and a teleportation fruit. If all those were viable as stand-alone Devil Fruits, so is invisibility. Particularly since we've seen that Absalom's powers aren't limited to himself.
Absalom's ranged attacks are just him throwing invisible stuff.
As a further note: We already had Mr. 5 shooting exploding breath at his enemies. Oda won't repeat that gimmick.
Okay, fine, it isn't breath. But I doubt it's an invisibility, fruit. You actually see Absalom's hand when that blast happens, shown here:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/onepiece453lq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11532
And here:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/onepiece453lq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11533
His hand is positioned like he's firing a projectile from it, not like he's tossing something.
Gorlom: Enel could teleport limited distances with his ability. Why he could teleport as far as he wanted, though, is a good question.
I was under the impression that he was listing paramecea fruits and not logia…
(also Enel didnt teleport per se. he was just using his element to travel faster then he would in human form. so the reason he couldnt travel on his own to the moon would be because there is no medium for him to travel in in space.)
is there any gas that cant ignite under extreme circumstances and heat?
uh oh… Devil Fruit Wars have begun again!
this season:
LOGIA VS. PARAMECIA (who will stand tall as the greater force?!)
and later...
OXYGEN VS. NITROGEN (expect an EXPLOSIVE match!)
finally…
BREATH VS. GAS (can your sense of smell save you from ANNHILIATION?!?)
DON!
Okay everyone who's arguing Absolom right now:
Okay, we factually have no proof that he is or isn't a logia now–Absolom's scene of getting kicked in the balls doesn't prove anything. However, that's beside that original point of how lame of an idea it is. Just because a gas logia is "logical" doesn't mean it's a good idea or that it's any more likely.
Think of it like this, how much fun would said DF fruit be? Figure that out and then apply logic.
However, if Absolom is a scientific gas fruit, then I'll go buy a hat and eat it.
I was under the impression that he was listing paramecea fruits and not logia…
(also Enel didnt teleport per se. he was just using his element to travel faster then he would in human form. so the reason he couldnt travel on his own to the moon would be because there is no medium for him to travel in in space.)
is there any gas that cant ignite under extreme circumstances and heat?
Most of the noble gases can't, especially Helium. Helium specifically is a by-product of stellar fusion, and therefore is exposed to the most extreme temperature/pressure in the universe.
uh oh… Devil Fruit Wars have begun again!
this season:
LOGIA VS. PARAMECIA (who will stand tall as the greater force?!)and later...
OXYGEN VS. NITROGEN (expect an EXPLOSIVE match!)
finally…
BREATH VS. GAS (can your sense of smell save you from ANNHILIATION?!?)
DON!
Hahahaha you are my hero! I wanna be just like you when i get a little bit older. :happy:
Most of the noble gases can't, especially Helium. Helium specifically is a by-product of stellar fusion, and therefore is exposed to the most extreme temperature/pressure in the universe.
yeah um are you sure that helium isnt burning inside the sun? i was under the impression that helium burnt and fused later into iron and other heavy material.
but im not really read up on the subject so if you do say that helium cant burn even within the extremes of the sun i will have to belive you.
Okay everyone who's arguing Absolom right now:
Okay, we factually have no proof that he is or isn't a logia now–Absolom's scene of getting kicked in the balls doesn't prove anything. However, that's beside that original point of how lame of an idea it is. Just because a gas logia is "logical" doesn't mean it's a good idea or that it's any more likely.
Think of it like this, how much fun would said DF fruit be? Figure that out and then apply logic.
However, if Absalom is a scientific gas fruit, then I'll go buy a hat and eat it.
This man speaks the truth. And if Absalom has a sciency fruit, I'll eat that hat that onemoment regurgitates.
I wonder why there's no scanlation even now… wayne... time to wait....
I propose that everyone stop replying to "Fire Fist" Ace.
@Cap'n:
I propose that everyone stop replying to "Fire Fist" Ace.
Fine, you're right, it's pointless to debate this. We'll find out what his power is and what type of DF it us soon, so let's sit and wait.
@Fire Fist:
Fine, you're right, it's pointless to debate this. We'll find out what his power is and what type of DF it us soon, so let's sit and wait.
OMG what proof do you have that Oda will even tell us?! There has been no conclusive evidence of this. Stop being such an idiot and be quiet. N00b!
Hey, don't be so mean with FFA. It's just the discussion of Oxygen/Gas/Whatever Fruit is that really stupid and pointless.
Honestly, with other debates I've seen, (such as that big one on gravity that spawned it's own thread), I see nothing peculiar about this Absolom theory.
@Fire Fist:
Wikipedia is your final verdict? Wikipedia's not always right, especially when someone decides to edit an article.
Yes, Nitrogen is relatively inert, but when applied to extremely high pressure/heat, it can ignite.
Oh, please. Articles on science, particularly something as well-known as basic chemistry are kept pretty free of gross alterations. Are you going to edit it and say that nitrogen is highly reactive and counts as flammable? Because it'd solve farming problems for dozens of countries if the reaction for ammoniac was suddenly easy to produce.
Anything can ignite when applied to extreme temperatures and pressure, it's called thermodynamics. If you're going to use that as your argument, you might as well say Absalom has the chocolate pudding fruit.
who had the teleportation fruit?
I was referring to the warp portals that Blueno's door fruit allowed him to create, it's closer to teleporting that Enel's conductivity.
This thread has killed so many catgirls.
"everyone think"? its like FFA and one or 2 other guys.
and i still dont understand how it would turn absolom and nami invisible…
Everyone is a exaggeration. You should learn how to spot them. It really was quite obvious.
The invisible fruit seems most logical. FFA thinks its the breath breath fruit which he breathes on things to make them invisible or something. :getlost:
To G-GREATO. THeres a script out, just use that while reading the chapter.
@Monkey:
If you're going to use that as your argument, you might as well say Absalom has the chocolate pudding fruit.
Now, see. A Chocolate Pudding no Mi would solve everything, since it'd be a hilarious Devil Fruit, and people would stop bitching about whether or not it can catch on fire.
@Cyringohn:
Now, see. A Chocolate Pudding no Mi would solve everything, since it'd be a hilarious Devil Fruit, and people would stop bitching about whether or not it can catch on fire.
LOL if that was a real DF Luffy would just eat him. Can you say new Filler Arc?
^ but would it be a Logia or a Paramecia :blink:
A chocolate pudding paramecia could very well defeat Luffy. The Fruit user would just create a lot of chocolate pudding until Luffy passes out from eating.
Now a chocolate pudding logia would be defeated by Luffy in no time. Luffy would just eat him.
I would hope logia… I wouldn't want luffy eating any chocolate pudding being excreted from someone's body. blegh! Edit: sounds like a german scheize video.
Slightly more on topic, why can't it just be a light paramecia? Absalom alters how light effects objects he touches and can shoot lasers... It seems fairly obvious to me.
@Faaip:
^ but would it be a Logia or a Paramecia :blink:
I would say Paramecia since Chocolate isn't an element.
Though maybe since its a Filler Arc they could make it Logia. (That way the person won't melt in the sun)
I remember during EL when everyone was going insane trying to predict Calipha's powers and no one got it right. Absalom's df will likely be something equally out of left field.
I remember during EL when everyone was going insane trying to predict Calipha's powers and no one got it right. Absalom's df will likely be something equally out of left field.
Uh, I actually predicted bubbles about a week before the final revelation. But in my theory she'd be bursting bubbles with her whip to attack. What Calipha finally did with her whip is one of the mysteries of Grand Line.
Yeah… So basically you didn't predict jack.
I don't see a problem with just a invisible fruit. Those "explosions" come from some invisible weapon that Absalom carries. He has proved (when he kidnaped Nami) that he can turn other things invisible.
@Monkey:
I was referring to the warp portals that Blueno's door fruit allowed him to create, it's closer to teleporting that Enel's conductivity.
This thread has killed so many catgirls.
AH yeah i kinda agree with him haveing a teleportation fruit. its not instant teleportation but still he doesnt travel the distance in our universe and it makes alot more sense then listing Enel with that bunch. (Blueno just fell out of my mind when reading that =P)
… so? they need to die! they are evil, scratching up all the furniture....
Decide i think the main problem people are haveing with invisible weapons is the way Absolom supposedly is holding them (yes plural. he fired two shots simultainiously at chopper and usopp) and how he doesnt seem to pull them out from somewhere on his person. they are suddenly just in his hands.
I would hope logia… I wouldn't want luffy eating any chocolate pudding being excreted from someone's body. blegh! Edit: sounds like a german scheize video.
qft. werd. besides, wouldn't luffy be more weak to a meat meat fruit? and i don't even want to think about pieces of meat being excreted…. shudder
Decide i think the main problem people are haveing with invisible weapons is the way Absolom supposedly is holding them (yes plural. he fired two shots simultainiously at chopper and usopp) and how he doesnt seem to pull them out from somewhere on his person. they are suddenly just in his hands.
Yeah, but this is a static manga, not an animation, and Absalom can very well suddenly pull guns from his sleeves and fire them. I'm not saying "guns" as in pistols or something like that. I just think he has some special ranged weapon hidden in his arms.
Yeah, but this is a static manga, not an animation, and Absalom can very well suddenly pull guns from his sleeves and fire them. I'm not saying "guns" as in pistols or something like that. I just think he has some special ranged weapon hidden in his arms.
I m with you.
The first time I've seen Robin's DF was like she had a sort of telecinetic DF. Oda likes to play with these things guys.
I'm with a paramecia light DF (boiga's) or a logia invisibility DF theory.