http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/universe/
There are some things God does not intend man to know.
So, I doubt they'll get anything.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/universe/
There are some things God does not intend man to know.
So, I doubt they'll get anything.
Wow. I agree. There isn't even any proof there was a big bang in the first place.
Wow. I agree. There isn't even any proof there was a big bang in the first place.
While that may be true, current data and models points to that conclusion, so it's not exactly reasonable to rule out.
I also heard of this a while ago, and have seen alternate pictures for this project. One of which was a photoshopped picture that I quite enjoyed.
With this being the humorously photoshopped one:
Stargate ftw.
Wow. I agree. There isn't even any proof there was a big bang in the first place.
i think the evidence in its support far outweighs anything against it.
Heh. The first thing I thought of was "Deus ex machina".
I need to get out more.
It's probably going to end with some kind of explosion, killing millions, leaving the earth a scarred husk of it's former self, where afterwards a mutant race of platapus people will enslave all remaining humans. Or, on the other hand, nothing will happen. Nobody knows.
It looks like it's going to eat us.
This one namely:
!
But yeah, the outcome of this could be rather… interesting (in the "everything goes wrong" kind of sense).
I dun get it…..
(craaazy)
@raj:
Heh. The first thing I thought of was "Deus ex machina".
I need to get out more.
Nah, I agree with you. "Deus ex machina" indeed.
But really. Humans and their machines. Tsk. Tsk. If all the old-school sci fi stuff has taught us anything, it's the danger of playing God and/or searching in all the wrong places with all the wrong means.
We spend money on so much useless shit these days.
Then again if things go right this could be another Atom Bomb, that will defend us from those damn hippies and the space aliens.
That thing looks and from the description sounds kind of freaky.
Looks like an octopus' mouth to me. The whole thing is pretty cool though, a little weird, but it seems like we're finally getting close to answering life's unanswerable questions. Let's hope we don't do something stupid once we find out the answers.
Hopefully this machine doesn't malfunction and explode the universe.
That would be pretty bad.
"Well, the good news is, we recreated the big bang…"
"The bad news?"
"...We recreated the BIG BANG."
**What if this machine was the source of the original big bang and this would re-create the big bang. Our universe would be recreated and then repeat itself.
hopefully nothing like that happens.**
**What if this machine was the source of the original big bang and this would re-create the big bang. Our universe would be recreated and then repeat itself.
hopefully nothing like that happens.**
Oh crap. PBF predicted this!
Seriously though, they've probably taken every precaution to make sure that this thing doesn't explode everything. Or at least, I'd hope so.
I wish they would mass produce Big Bangs and market them so I would have a pocket-universe.
I wish they would mass produce Big Bangs and market them so I would have a pocket-universe.
But Big Bang theoretically expands to infinity… that means you'll have a universe-size pocket-universe... that should be interesting.
Wow. I agree. There isn't even any proof there was a big bang in the first place.
Yeah, good thing we have so much proof that God exists.
Otherwise, we would just be explaining stuff that we don't get by saying "God did it."
Wait a second… uh.. crap. I said too much.
The project seems like a load of crap to me, how do you recreate an uncertain event, especially if that event was something so massive.
I am seriously freaking out. Shit could go wrong with this. They are trying to recreate the Big Bang. The one that, y'know, made existence? I do not care how many years or how much money they spent with this. I don't approve. So much shit could go wrong with it, no matter HOW small this supposed 'recreation' is meant to be. Christ.
Personally, I'm a little more supportive of curing incurable diseases and protecting the environment and making sure that no space thingies pummel the planet into oblivion than spontaneous creation, but I guess people with money are more into that kind of thing. Whatever floats their collective boat, I guess.
Edit: They're not trying to recreate the Big Bang. They're trying to identify a particle.
I see them on documentaries on TV a lot of the time, whenever they talk about the universe, string theory and other stuff.
They've been used quite a bit from what I hear, they used one to find out what killed Beethoven.
When the experiment is finally over, the answer will be 42.
According to anime, scientists have a bad habit of destroying the earth
so I'm pretty nervous
I'd reference the SHIZUMA DRIVE but Captain Kuro would be the only person who'd get it so I won't bother
That's what you think
RARGH I WILL CREATE THE TRUE NIGHT
But Big Bang theoretically expands to infinity…
This is news to me, I thought the size of the universe was limited? Isn't there supposed to be a point when Big Bang looses its steam and everything begins to collapse?
@Monkey:
This is news to me, I thought the size of the universe was limited? Isn't there supposed to be a point when Big Bang looses its steam and everything begins to collapse?
No one knows for sure, but that is one theory. Basically there are three theories, the first is that the universe stops expanding, and when it stops, everything will turn around and go the other way in what's called "The Big Crunch". Another is that the universe is forever expanding and will become so spaced out that atoms will eventually tear apart in "The Big Rip", another is "The Big Freeze", I'm guessing you can figure out what happens with that theory.
There are other theories, but first scientists need to figure out what kind of universe this is, a closed universe, an open universe, or a flat universe. The only way the "Big Crunch" would happen is if the universe was closed, but a lot, and I said a lot of data points to that it's not.
@Monkey:
This is news to me, I thought the size of the universe was limited? Isn't there supposed to be a point when Big Bang looses its steam and everything begins to collapse?
There are at least two theories concerning the size of the universe right now (I can't remember other ones just yet). But yes, what you're saying is the Big Crunch (or whatever opposite name you can give to the Big Bang) where the universe expands in a horizontal-ish way, which means there is a limit to it and the universe will lose its kinetic energy eventually. After that, the gravitational pull of all the mass in the universe will crunch every thing back together.
But for those who believe that the Big Bang goes to infinity, including me, it's a different story. The universe could wrap around itself, creating this loop that that keeps expanding. Think of the universe as the surface of a ball that is being inflated. So basically, if you have a telescope that is uber powerful, you could point it to the sky and see our own galaxy, but in a distant, distant past. (Of course, this theory relies heavily on the one that says the universe curves due to mass)
EDIT: and yeah, what Throes said. =P
The Big Crunch is pretty damn unlikely.
It would be kinda cool though. They say that if that happened, all this crazy shit would start happening like people remembering the future before it even happens and stuff.
@Roz:
It would be kinda cool though. They say that if that happened, all this crazy shit would start happening like people remembering the future before it even happens and stuff.
Damn, that sounds so awesome. It'll be like one hell of an acid trip (not like I do acid cough). I wonder how that actually works, though.
Also, does anyone know the predicted time for everything to crunch back together? I remember my physics teacher saying something about the Big Bang taking 10^-15 of a second to occur. Or something along the same line.
Also, does anyone know the predicted time for everything to crunch back together? I remember my physics teacher saying something about the Big Bang taking 10^-15 of a second to occur. Or something along the same line.
No, because most scientists that I know of have pretty much completely dismissed the Big Crunch theory.
@Cap'n:
LOOK! The EAST IS BURNING RED
I remember seeing an article on this a while ago that said some stuff about what could potentially go wrong (and more or less that they've made sure it has a next to impossible chance of happening).
It's just their word to go by, but they have address the issue.
@Cap'n:
LOOK! The EAST IS BURNING RED
from the Large Hadron Collider wiki page
As with the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC), people both inside and outside of the physics community have voiced concern that the LHC might trigger one of several theoretical disasters capable of destroying the Earth or even the entire Universe. These include:
- Creation of a stable black hole[7]
- Creation of strange matter that is more stable than ordinary matter
- Creation of magnetic monopoles that could catalyze proton decay
- Triggering a transition into a different quantum mechanical vacuum (see False vacuum)
CERN performed a study to investigate whether such dangerous events as micro black holes, strangelets, or magnetic monopoles could occur.[8] The report concluded, "We find no basis for any conceivable threat." If black holes are produced, they are expected to evaporate almost immediately via Hawking radiation and thus be harmless. It should be noted however that this is not a wholly convincing argument because Hawking radiation is currently an untested theory. Perhaps the strongest argument for the safety of colliders such as the LHC comes from the simple fact that cosmic rays of much higher energies than the LHC can produce have been bombarding the Earth, Moon and other objects in the solar system for billions of years with no such effects.
However, some people remain concerned about the safety of the LHC such as the science watchdog group called the Lifeboat Foundation which has covered these dangers in detail. As with any new and untested experiment, it is not possible to say with utter certainty what will happen. John Nelson at Birmingham University stated of RHIC that "it is astonishingly unlikely that there is any risk - but I could not prove it."[9] In academia there is some question—although among a minority of scientists—of whether Hawking radiation is correct.[10]
RHIC has been running since 2000 and has generated no hint of Earth-destroying effects.
from my understanding, these particle accelerators need more and more energy (due to e=mc^2) to make more massive particles appear. so they aren't creating a big bang persay, but using so much energy that they are recreating the conditions of the big bang to make new particles that we have never seen before break out of their 'shells'.
Global warming? Phaaa! Meteor hitting us? Phaaa! Alien invasion? Phaaa!
We're going to blow ourselves up or get sucked in a self made black hole thingy by the look of things.
Well, black holes technically wouldn't kill you, in theory. It'd just kind of scatter around the information that makes you up.
How inconvenient.
and that wouldn't kill you? :)
here's a quick note from a physicist:
what they are doing with these accelerators is NOT recreating big bang, as some people have mentioned here. the problem with physicists is that they are terrible communicators. they cannot talk with their physics jargon or explain the theory behind things because it involves the level of mathematics and physics that public doesn't know, so they try to explain things in a way that the public can perceive, so they say "let's just say we're recreating big bang."
little do they know that it's freaking out the public.
again, let me repeat: they are NOT creating big bang, or black hole. what they are doing, is to accelerate particles up to the level of energy where when they collide, they can produce more variety of particles. the higher energy you get, the more exotic particles you can create. for example, electrons have a mass of 500MeV (Mega Electron Volts), and proton has a mass about 980MeV. that means if you have an energy of 600MeV, you can create an electron, but you won't get a proton. but if you have an energy of 1000MeV (1GeV), then you can get a proton, and maybe a couple of electrons.
LHC in geneva is at a level of a couple TeV (Tera eV). mega is a million, tera is a million million. this is (given that the theory backing this up is correct) near to the energy that the universe initially had before the big bang. a lot of particles are created within the first 10^-33 seconds after the bigbang, and they are trying to create these particles. it doesn't mean they're gonna recreate big bang, but they now can go to a level of energy that can produce these exotic rare particles that the big bang produced.
for example, the higgs boson.
e1n's new catchphrase should hereby be "Here comes the science!"
and that wouldn't kill you? :)
Well, to fall into a black hole, time will be forever suspended for you. So it's kind of a mindfuck to figure out whether you are "dead" or not.
ah, I see.
@e1n: now see, I suck at math, and I understood what you just said. it wasn't that hard to comunicate that. :) But thanks for specifying that it is NOT the big bang. It really was freaking me out.
your explanation seems less harmful
@e1n:
near to the energy that the universe initially had before the big bang. a lot of particles are created within the first 10^-33 seconds after the bigbang, and they are trying to create these particles.
Doesn't that once again raise the question of the stability of these unknown particles? For all we know these particles could be as dangerous as uranium ^33 and thus be as dangerous as a big bang..
How can they assure themselves and the public that they can control whatever comes out of this recreation? They themselves do not know what kind of particles they will get.
Doesn't that once again raise the question of the stability of these unknown particles? For all we know these particles could be as dangerous as uranium ^33 and thus be as dangerous as a big bang..
How can they assure themselves and the public that they can control whatever comes out of this recreation? They themselves do not know what kind of particles they will get.
Ta-da-da-dum
Sounds like a good start scenario for a sci-fi thingy.
"Lets procede with the experiment, recreation of the big bang stage 1"
"Bob, I'm getting some strange readings here and though everything still seems out of any critical range we should analyze the data"
"We're not gonna let some weird readings stop us from this historical moment, we're proceding with stage 2"
20 minutes later
"Oh no, its eating me, my leg, my leg, not the eye, not the eye, no, please don't, argghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
Doesn't that once again raise the question of the stability of these unknown particles? For all we know these particles could be as dangerous as uranium ^33 and thus be as dangerous as a big bang..
How can they assure themselves and the public that they can control whatever comes out of this recreation? They themselves do not know what kind of particles they will get.
that is because they NEVER leaves the accelerator. particles are being created, and then DETECTED. which means they need to enter a detector. when they enter a detector, they will interact with whatever matter is inside the detector, and sends a photo (light) signal to a photomultiplier tube (pmt) and then a computer. NO ONE WILL EVER SEE WHAT THESE PARTICLES ARE LIKE. all they will see is list of numbers on the monitor. these numbers get sent to a computer program (script in C++) that calculates where the vertex of interaction and what the probability of an interaction happening, and many other things, and then prints out a list of particles that were "created" according to the numbers that the computer gets from the pmt.
that's what sucks about physics. you get all these talks about particles being created, collided, destroyed, etc, but you never actually get to see anything more than just numbers.
also, you cannot compare these with uranium33. that's an ATOM (or should i say, molecule?). the particles they create here are SUBATOMIC particles. an atom is made of neutrons, protons, and electrons. these are bosons and leptons. they are made of quarks. for example, an electron is made of two DOWN quark and one UP quark. the kinds of particles they talk about here are quarks. they are waaaaaaaaaaay smaller than even an electron. you will NOT get anything like a hydrogen molecule out of these things, let alone uranium that requires numerous electrons and protons -____-;
@e1n: now see, I suck at math, and I understood what you just said. it wasn't that hard to comunicate that. :) But thanks for specifying that it is NOT the big bang. It really was freaking me out.
your explanation seems less harmful
because i am not a research physicist who locks himself up in his lab for the sake of scientific progress. i'm a physics teacher, so i know how to word things and explain things. most physicists hate teaching, that's why they never learn how to be a good communicator.
The Big Crunch is pretty damn unlikely.
It would be kinda cool though. They say that if that happened, all this crazy shit would start happening like people remembering the future before it even happens and stuff.
For fans of Richard Ayoade or the Mighty Boosh.
@VL7:
"Oh no, its eating me, my leg, my leg, no, please don't, argghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
this reminds me of Fullmetal Alchemist
This entire experiment reminds me of Event Horizon, & we all know how that movie turned out… this "God Particle" could open the portal to Hell & then our spaceship would become haunted.
okay, I really need some sleep