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General Blackbeard Thread
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@$abZ:
At the moment. But Shanks said that Blackbeard is getting stronger, and may become as powerful as Whitebeard. It's a clear hint from Oda.
EDIT: And why are you here again?
id like to see you come up with FACTS, you know like from stephens scripts. i dont see anything like that.
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I mean, that claim can be taken in so many ways. Doflamingo (or his underlings) said the era of dreams is over. does that mean he is going to fight everybody in One Piece who has dreams? While your statement may be true that Blackbeard is going to try and fight Whitebeard it does not mean that he can really kill Whitebeard. To be fair we have not seen Whitebeard's might displayed as of yet.
True. But Oda has made it obvious that Whitebeard is weaker than before and that Blackbeard is getting stronger rapidly.
Oda has given the clear hint.
But whatever happens… I'm sure Whitebeard will be defeated (most likely die) by someone. Being killed by a stronger Blackbeard would be great... the fight between the two would be heavy. They both hate each other aswell and are after the same prize.
EDIT: WHITEBEARD, shut up. I said it's a hint from Oda. And I also said that Whitebeard is cutrrently the strongest man. Why don't you just rape Whitebeard in the ass... that'd make you leave from here. Stop trying tio pick a fight all the time.
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I mean, that claim can be taken in so many ways. Doflamingo (or his underlings) said the era of dreams is over. does that mean he is going to fight everybody in One Piece who has dreams? While your statement may be true that Blackbeard is going to try and fight Whitebeard it does not mean that he can really kill Whitebeard. To be fair we have not seen Whitebeard's might displayed as of yet.
BB said that he is going to be Pirate King.
Whitebeard stands his way. Of course BB is going to fight with him.And $aBZ, don't mind WHITEY2. He will get banned soon.
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BB said that he is going to be Pirate King.
Whitebeard stands his way. Of course BB is going to fight with him.true but does that mean that blackbeard is stronger than whitebeard????
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@WHITEBEARD2:
Yea considering that oda clearly said that Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world!!!
Are you like, four? Things change dude. Gol D. Roger was the strongest, he was captured and killed. And Blackbeard has at least the power of a Yonkou at the moment, otherwise Shanks wouldn't be so worried. Not to mention that Whitebeard is still actively involved in rehabilitation. You still think a sickly Whitebeard is going to have a chance with a man who rivalled his power before he even ate the Yami Yami fruit? I swear, man, you have the cognition skills of a four year old. Whitebeard is going to die. Accept it and stop your fanboy tardism.
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@WHITEBEARD2:
true but does that mean that blackbeard is stronger than whitebeard????
That doesn;t mean Blackbeard will never be stronger. At the minute… Whitebeard is stronger. But give me a SOLID FACT that Blackbeard will never become stronger.
Oh wait.. you can't. You fail at life.
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Are you like, four? Things change dude. Gol D. Roger was the strongest, he was captured and killed. And Blackbeard has at least the power of a Yonkou at the moment, otherwise Shanks wouldn't be so worried. Not to mention that Whitebeard is still actively involved in rehabilitation. You still think a sickly Whitebeard is going to have a chance with a man who rivalled his power before he even ate the Yami Yami fruit? I swear, man, you have the cognition skills of a four year old. Whitebeard is going to die. Accept it and stop your fanboy tardism.
if hes so sickly and weak how come he and shanks were able to split the sky???
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@$abZ:
True. But Oda has made it obvious that Whitebeard is weaker than before and that Blackbeard is getting stronger rapidly.
Oda has given the clear hint.
But whatever happens… I'm sure Whitebeard will be defeated (most likely die) by someone. Being killed by a stronger Blackbeard would be great... the fight between the two would be heavy. They both hate each other aswell and are after the same prize.
I don't see where Oda has made it obvious that Whitebeard is weaker than before? Not to mention the fact that we have yet to see Whitebeard's might.
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I don't see where Oda has made it obvious that Whitebeard is weaker than before? Not to mention the fact that we have yet to see Whitebeard's might.
Well… he's being treated. A monkey could figure out he's weaker than before. Oda made that clear as ever.
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I don't see where Oda has made it obvious that Whitebeard is weaker than before? Not to mention the fact that we have yet to see Whitebeard's might.
Well, I think there have been strong hints that Roger was stronger then Whitebeard. After all, having the ability to fight "evenly" doesn't make clear who won.
Roger at the end of his life was smiling, had no obvious signs of injury, and made a declaration that changed an era. That man, despite his capture, never lost his cool. Also, he's the man who sailed to Raftel and captured One Piece, becoming the Pirate King.
Meanwhile, Whitebeard is old, injured and wearing an IV. He's constantly frowning, and acts like a dick to everyone he meets. He's arrogant to no end, refusing to recognise anyone as a threat to him–despite the fact that he's clearly been hurt before. Also, he never sailed to Raftel, never claimed One Piece, and never became Pirate King. He's just "close" to it. Even so many years later Whitebeard is unable to go to Raftel.
Who's the real winner here? Roger seems to hold so much over Whitebeard's head. There's even hints that someone else may yet surpass Whitebeard. And hints are all we have to go on now.
I see Roger and Whitebeard as having more of a "Goku/Vegeta" relationship. Both were strong fighters, but I would guess that Whitebeard was always a little bit behind.
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Hey guys, just don't mind WHITEY2. He will get banned soon enough. Don't answer him or anything.
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- Evil opposites of the Straw Hats.
They are since when?
And if they are then what Strawhats are the respective Blackbeard Pirates supposed to be opposites of?
And how are they their opposites in what ways?
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I posted this before (about WB and his strength) in the BB stronger than Shanks thread and thought it would be better if I just quoted it rather than write something thats basically the same.
My understanding is, and I might be wrong, that Whitebeard is known as the strongest man in the world because of a tie with Roger over 22 years. At that time of Rogers death this was a fact, however during the 22 years it went from being a fact to a title (like titles in boxing). The reason he still holds this title is because no one has challenged him, mainly because of his reputation. This does not mean that someone else out there hasn't become stronger. Don't forget that Whitebeard is old now and, like Garp, should be weaker than he was in his prime. As a result, Newgate has the title until someone defeats him, when the title will change hands (just like in boxing). I hope you understand what I mean.
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My understanding is, and I might be wrong, that Whitebeard is known as the strongest man in the world because of a tie with Roger over 22 years. At that time of Rogers death this was a fact, however during the 22 years it went from being a fact to a title (like titles in boxing). The reason he still holds this title is because no one has challenged him, mainly because of his reputation. This does not mean that someone else out there hasn't become stronger. Don't forget that Whitebeard is old now and, like Garp, should be weaker than he was in his prime. As a result, Newgate has the title until someone defeats him, when the title will change hands (just like in boxing). I hope you understand what I mean.
and yet hes still able to hold of shanks, another of the yonkoh!!!
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Whitebeard will die at the hands of Aka Inu, and feel free to quote me on that.
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@ WB2: You could also say that the one-armed Shanks was able to hold of WB, the strongest man.
@ Impel down: What is the point of you posting if you post nonsense. Next time you are about to click 'post reply' think to yourself "does it make sense and/or contribute to the discussion".
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Whitebeard will die at the hands of Aka Inu, and feel free to quote me on that.
That would be a nice twist, I admit that.
Nah, It will be Blackbeard who kills Whitebeard. It will be one epic battle.
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@$abZ:
Well… he's being treated. A monkey could figure out he's weaker than before. Oda made that clear as ever.
but does that mean hes weaker? hes still the strongest man in the world
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Nah, It will be Blackbeard who kills Whitebeard. It will be one epic battle.
[This battle between two pirates]
[would be labeled the trigger]
[that set off an enormous, unforgettable event in the future.]Oda is quite explicite, I think. Teach has been able to cut through Ace, he's the one who's gonna defeat WhiteBeard in the future.
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Blackbeard will definitely surpass Whitebeard, no question about it. Blackbeard is sort of a mirror of Luffy; he's come out of nowhere, gathered together a small, ragtag group of pirates, and now he's beginning to rattle the hell out of the currently established power hierarchy.
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does no one read onepiece and not realize that whitebeard is the strongest??? :wassat:
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Can you not comprehend a logical argument?
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Blackbeard will definitely surpass Whitebeard, no question about it. Blackbeard is sort of a mirror of Luffy; he's come out of nowhere, gathered together a small, ragtag group of pirates, and now he's beginning to rattle the hell out of the currently established power hierarchy.
Exactly and
Oda is quite explicite, I think. Teach has been able to cut through Ace, he's the one who's gonna defeat WhiteBeard in the future.
From this point, there's gonna be only three Emperors and it's gonna be a mess that'll drive the world to an epic change.Exactly.
First he is going to get Shichibukai's title, gather power and after that going after Whitebeard. But that old man won't go without battle. His last line could be:
"I'll see you in hell Blackbeard". Corny, I know.Btw, it is said that real Blackbeard made a deal with devil. Could Blackbeard's DF-power be reference to that?
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Can you not comprehend a logical argument?
lol! and can you not read what oda himself wrote???
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I see people are posting what they (themselves) really want to happen. I don't really like to play the guessing game, some play it better than others.
I will go with the fact that Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world. Since we have yet to see Whitebeard's might, we can only go off of what Oda has stated.
Many of you believe that Oda is just going to kill off Whitebeard, do you guys actually think he is going to do this WITHOUT showing the reason's WHY he labeled this character the strongest?
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I see people are posting what they (themselves) really want to happen. I don't really like to play the guessing game, some play it better than others.
I will go with the fact that Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world. Since we have yet to see Whitebeard's might, we can only go off of what Oda has stated.
Many of you believe that Oda is just going to kill off Whitebeard, do you guys actually think he is going to do this WITHOUT showing the reason's WHY he labeled this character the strongest?
Being the strongest doesn't mean you can't be surpassed.
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@WHITEBEARD2:
does no one read onepiece and not realize that whitebeard is the strongest??? :wassat:
You must be totally dense to base all your arguments on that one fact. Whitebeard is an the "strongest" obstacle on the path to become the greatest, whether the path is Luffy's or BB's. He might be the strongest currently, but I can assure that he would not be by the time OP is finished. Saying he can't loose because Oda gave him the title is just as stupid as saying that Mihawk will never be beaten because he is the strongest swordsman, when we all know that he will eventually be overcome by Zoro. Whether WB is defeated by Luffy, Blackbeard, etc is left to Oda's discretion. If he wanted he could make BB surpass WB. Or Buggy. Or Coby. Nothing is set in stone. Remember that OP follows a timeline, and how the state of affairs are at the beginning is not how it would be at the end.
If you don.t understand this basic concept then there is no hope for you.
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Being the strongest doesn't mean you can't be surpassed.
Indeed, but we also can't say a character is stronger than someone, especially when we have yet to see their power.
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Indeed, but we also can't say a character is stronger than someone, especially when we have yet to see their power.
No one said that WB is weaker than BB. The fact remains that Shanks is worried about BB and said that he might be threat to WB.
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Well, WB atleast WAS the strongest, and Shanks could keep up with him with only one arm as if it was nothing :p That provs that WB aint going to be THAT strong anymore, right?
And BB said that he didnt only ahd that black power, but the power of the devil - Ace couldnt use his power while BB has a grip on him :p
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I think with WB, its just a matter of time… He ain't no spring chicken anymore, he is overconfident, arrogant and such like. He has had it too good for long. I've SEEN this Anime formula before - it always leds to a downfall.
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- Evil opposites of the Straw Hats.
They are since when?
Since they first started, just look at how Teach is introduced.
In many ways, he's a fully grown version of Luffy, but with opinions on many things that are the complete opposite. This can range from simply disagreements on taste in food or drink to the best way to achieve a goal.
While they share the same dream, but Teach's methods are decidely more amoral. If he has to kill somebody to get what he wants, then that's what he does.
On the other hand, despite his strength, he's also willing to take the path of least resistance in order to attain his goal. If Teach needs to smash an obstacle, then he will do so, but that doesn't seem to be his first inclination judging by how many times he offered to let Ace join his crew.
And if they are then what Strawhats are the respective Blackbeard Pirates supposed to be opposites of?
And how are they their opposites in what ways?
Here's the breakdown:
Zoro - Used to be a bounty hunter, somewhat dour, and is second in command of the Straw Hats.
Lafitte - Used to be a law enforcement official of some sort, manically/maniacally cheerful, and is second in command judging by the fact that he was Teach's representative at Mariejoa.Usopp - Seems fairly convinced that you can make yourself into anything so long as you try hard enough. An excellent sniper.
Augur - Life is predestined (for instance: The seagulls that didn't die instantly were fated to suffer). A master marksman.Nami - A natural navigator who uses instinct and vast edge to sail around the Grand Line.
Burgess - A big and loud doofus who seems to operate more through brute force than skill or knowledge. If nothing else, he didn't notice the ocean swelling prior to the Knock-Up Stream and move the Raft O' Doom away from danger despite his role as helmsman.Chopper - A fairly caring individual and a great doctor
Doc Q - Takes an active delight in foisting off apples on people that might well kill them in a gruesome fashion. Probably an excellent doctor when he needs to be, but doesn't seem to care about anybody besides his crewmates.Teach is likely still building his crew. Considering that they likely need a new ship, they'll probably add a shipwright somewhere along the way. The main issue to me is what they'll do about Zoro.
Oda seems to be building Teach and Company up as the final villains of the series; as such, Augur is probably the greatest sniper in the world for instance. So that raises the question of Zoro. Either Teach's crew will have one less member than the Straw Hats when complete while Zoro will square off against Mihawk seperately, Mihawk will join Teach for some reason, or Teach will somehow come across a greater swordsman is unknown.
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I think that WB>BB, but If BB does beat WB before Luffy, than I hope to see a flashback of his last battle with Roger, or maybe the one where he got that wound on his chest
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Wow, you really like Blackbeard pirates, don't you Ubiq?
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Oda seems to be building Teach and Company up as the final villains of the series; as such, Augur is probably the greatest sniper in the world for instance. So that raises the question of Zoro. Either Teach's crew will have one less member than the Straw Hats when complete while Zoro will square off against Mihawk seperately, Mihawk will join Teach for some reason, or Teach will somehow come across a greater swordsman is unknown.
What if Lafitte has a ability that could give him a advantage over Mihawk and Zoro such as invisibility?
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Oda seems to be building Teach and Company up as the final villains of the series; as such, Augur is probably the greatest sniper in the world for instance. So that raises the question of Zoro. Either Teach's crew will have one less member than the Straw Hats when complete while Zoro will square off against Mihawk seperately, Mihawk will join Teach for some reason, or Teach will somehow come across a greater swordsman is unknown.
So, Shanks and Mihawk couldn't be final villains? Or what about Yassopp being the best Sniper in the world? You do knowv in order to find One Piece you must conquer the New World.
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Or what about Yassopp being the best Sniper in the world?
It isn't said anywhere that Yassop would be best Sniper in the world. That is your imagination.
So, Shanks and Mihawk couldn't be final villains?
Mihawk maybe for Zoro. But Shanks for luffy?
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I didn't say Yassopp was the best sniper in the world as a fact. I asked Ubig a question concerning great snipers because he said Auger could be the best.
Also, Shanks not being an opponent is pure speculation.
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Also, Shanks not being an opponent is pure speculation.
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Either Teach's crew will have one less member than the Straw Hats when complete while Zoro will square off against Mihawk seperately, Mihawk will join Teach for some reason, or Teach will somehow come across a greater swordsman is unknown.
Doc Q. seems to be a swordsman ! If you look at him, he uses to carry something like a sword, but it could be something else.
But Mihawk joining Teach ? Yeah, that's possible. I'm sure Mihawk is the one that injured WhiteBeard, so…
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Yassop is a sniper? I thought he was a sharpshooter?
Even if he was a sniper Van Auger would either be better then or equal to Yassop and would be MUCH better then Ussop due to the fact that Van Auger shoot a group of seagulls at such a distance that none of the Strawhats were able to see him.
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Wow, you really like Blackbeard pirates, don't you Ubiq?
That would explain the avatar.
But it's just something that leaped right out at me the first time I saw the characters.
What if Lafitte has a ability that could give him a advantage over Mihawk and Zoro such as invisibility?
Well, there's that. But it'd seem a cheat if Zoro's final opponent in the series wasn't the strongest swordsman in the world of his own merits.
Luffy's last fight (barring something like Laboon) should clear the path for him becoming Pirate King, so it'd make sense that Zoro's last fight should render him World's Greatest Swordsman.
So, Shanks and Mihawk couldn't be final villains? QUOTE]
Well, I used to think that Shanks was going to be Luffy's last opponent in the series. Not that Shanks would be a villain so much as it would be a respect match with Luffy's final fight having him surpass his childhood hero.
The meeting between Shanks and Whitebeard as well as the incident on Banaro Island are what changed that. Now I lean towards the notion that, if Luffy and Shanks do fight, it will be a last-ditch effort by Shanks to keep Luffy from fighting Teach.
As far as Mihawk goes, well, again, he's the fly in the ointment as far as the status of the Blackbeard Pirates being final villains go. That can be worked around though as Zoro may not fight a member of the Blackbeard Crew but will fight Mihawk while his colleagues fight Teach and Company. Unless, of course, Mihawk winds up in that crew for whatever reason.
Or what about Yassopp being the best Sniper in the world?
Has he ever been positively identified by anybody, other than himself, as the greatest sniper in the world?
If nothing else, Van Augur carries around a weapon more capable of fulfilling that role than anything we've ever seen Yasopp with.
You do knowv in order to find One Piece you must conquer the New World.
Sure, but there's no reason to assume that Teach isn't about to do just that. Don't forget that his crew is travelling along the Grand Line to Raftel in the same manner as Luffy's crew is.
The Blackbeard Pirates were first mentioned at Drum, then seen at Jaya, and then Banaro, which is somewhere near Water 7. As such, they're moving across the Grand Line and are fairly close to entering the New World, though they'll likely make a detour to Mariejoa first to drop off Ace rather than simply going right on to the New World.
They may have started out on the Grand Line at least several months earlier than the Straw Hats (going by what Dalton said at any rate), but (barring a brief detour to Drum) the Straw Hats spent the earliest part of their voyage following an Eternal Pose while Teach may well have been held up here and there waiting for a Log Pose to set. Not to mention that they sent Lafitte on ahead to Mariejoa when they found out about Crocodile.
Since Jaya, the two crews seem to making fairly similar progress across the Grand Line.
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So is him being an opponent.
Shanks is laid-back guy. I doubt that he even wants to become Pirate King.He's never stated one way or the other his intentions on that issue.
On the other hand, Shanks made a fairly large effort to prevent Ace from facing Teach; as such, I doubt he'd want Luffy to do so either. Again, I think it's fairly likely he'll face off against either Teach or Luffy at some point to prevent those two from encountering each other.
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Usopp - Seems fairly convinced that you can make yourself into anything so long as you try hard enough. An excellent sniper.
Really? Last time we saw him mention something about it he seemed pretty convinced he'd have no chance to ever catch up to the rest of the crew. He's no Naruto.
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He's no Naruto.
What are you talking about? The reason he didnt use Kabuto this arc, was because it reduced his cell count in his hand and it is 2 dangerous to use often for his own health.
On a serious note, You see how bad ass Van auger is? Yeah, Ussop is going to beat him.
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Well, there's that. But it'd seem a cheat if Zoro's final opponent in the series wasn't the strongest swordsman in the world of his own merits.
What do you mean of his own merits?
I mean assuming Lafitte's special ability is either some sort of invisibility or camouflage or super speed (or even better a combination of the above) and that it came from a Devil Fruit I don't see how it couldn't come from his own merits.
I mean if said Devil Fruit is extremely rare and is only one of a kind wouldn't Lafitte have to be either fairly powerful or at least somewhat resourceful to find it.
It'd be like saying Crocodile,Ace,or Akojii's powers didn't come from their own merits just because they ate a Devil Fruit (especially since they ate a Logia). Logia are much more rare then other Devil Fruits and I recall you saying that only people who are either strong or resourceful could find these fruits.
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On a serious note, You see how bad ass Van auger is? Yeah, Ussop is going to beat him.
For all the expectations it'd be pretty funny if Franky, Brooke or a yet to be introduced new crewmember ended up defeating Van Auger.
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Really? Last time we saw him mention something about it he seemed pretty convinced he'd have no chance to ever catch up to the rest of the crew. He's no Naruto.
Yes, but look what kind of day Usopp had been having when he said that. I seriously doubt that he was in his normal frame of mind. The whole Franky Family business coming right after Aokiji effortlessly manhandling Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji had to make him doubt his own abilities while Enies Lobby probably restored at least some of his confidence.
I don't think that he's given up his dream of being a Brave Warrior of the Sea. It's just that there haven't been many occasions lately for it to come up.
What do you mean of his own merits?
Because his skill with a sword exceeds that of Mihawk and not simply because he has some ability or other than magically lets him be better.
If he could just sneak up behind Mihawk and stab him in the back, that wouldn't make Lafitte a great swordsman even if he did take down the reigning champion.
I mean assuming Lafitte's special ability is either some sort of invisibility or camouflage or super speed (or even better a combination of the above) and that it came from a Devil Fruit I don't see how it couldn't come from his own merits.
I mean if said Devil Fruit is extremely rare and is only one of a kind wouldn't Lafitte have to be either fairly powerful or at least somewhat resourceful to find it.
True, but that would be his Devil Fruit supplementing strength that is already there.
Look at it this way:
If somebody can fight on an even level without resorting to a trick like turning invisible, then they're fighting based on their own skill and strength.
If they don't stand a chance of winning without said tactic, then it's something altogether different. Otherwise, they'd just fight without it.
So I'd prefer Zoro to fight somebody who can go toe to toe with him without the need for invisibility. Super speed is fine as it's a physical trait that can be learned in the Odaverse, but Devil Fruit powers are a bit different as they can only be acquired by eating a Fruit.
It'd be like saying Crocodile,Ace,or Akojii's powers didn't come from their own merits just because they ate a Devil Fruit (especially since they ate a Logia). Logia are much more rare then other Devil Fruits and I recall you saying that only people who are either strong or resourceful could find these fruits.
None of those are swordsmen though, but fight in a manner tailored to their abilities and personalities.
Even then, I don't have any issue with somebody being a great swordsman because they have a Devil Fruit ability that makes them a natural (Daz Bones for instance) so much as I don't like the idea of somebody suddenly being stronger than Mihawk just because they acquire some ability that lets them indirectly get around his skill as a swordsman.
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If Whitebeard is strong enough to be in control of Ace, then I think he should be able to take BB.
