What is truly disturbing is that some of you don't even find
this the least bit dusgusting, like you have grown accustomed to
it. If society finds two 5th-grade students making love in their classroom
to be "okay" or "I've seen it before" than I am just speechless.
What will our world come to?
I found this rather disturbing…so disturbing it needed its own thread
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WHoa kids giving each other blow jobs? you really saw that…..? what happened after? -_- :getlost: i'm hoping you told them to stop
I find this disturbing that ....our next generation...may turn into total weirdos as mmuch as i hate saying that:getlost:
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I should have been in a fifth grader class like this, instead my fifth grade had a teacher we all hated, and we almost got detention for trying to get her ass fired.
Fucking kids in my country were protesting the fucked up and useless collegic system at the time (still are) but no, I had to go to this b.s. preppy shit
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WHoa kids giving each other blow jobs? you really saw that…..? what happened after? -_- :getlost:
I stopped them immediately and marched their little butts right up to the office and they had a long talk with the center director, and their parents were told. They tried to go in the bathroom together a few more times, but I wouldn't allow it and eventually they got over it.
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@IT'S:
Kids are maturing earlier and earlier these days.
It's due to television –> I saw this on our 'discovery' channel.
How younger and longer you watch TV , how younger you'll have your puberty.And damn, I long for the days we used to play marbles.
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What's the big fucking deal? They where the same age, and judging by the
article it was consentual so why the fuck do you have a problem with it?Sure, maybe they shouldn't have done it on school grounds, but so what?
The only thing disturbing in this topic is the number of people calling for these kids to be beaten. Fear has nothing to do with respect, and if I ever saw you guys beating up children I'd fucking kill you. The only, and I do mean only time it's ever ok to hit a kid is if they've got a gun or a knife and are threatening people.
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I'd just get you with the belt too
dummy
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Wow. Just, er, augh… oh screw it. Some of you people are disgusting.
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Fear has nothing to do with respect, and if I ever saw you guys beating up children I'd fucking kill you.
Scandinavian hippy + internet death threats =
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A good belt to the backside never emotionally destroyed anybody. Now beating with fists and whatnot probably did.
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if I ever saw you guys beating up children I'd fucking kill you.
OOooOO, I'm so scared now. And we wonder why some kids end up having sex in classrooms.
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You people disgust me.
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What's the big fucking deal? They where the same age, and judging by the article it was consentual so why the fuck do you have a problem with it?
Are you insane? We're talking about pre-teens having sex. If you think there's no problem with two 11 year olds having sex with each other (or anyone for that matter), get out of here.
The only thing disturbing in this topic is the number of people calling for these kids to be beaten. Fear has nothing to do with respect, and if I ever saw you guys beating up children I'd fucking kill you. The only, and I do mean only time it's ever ok to hit a kid is if they've got a gun or a knife and are threatening people.
I agree with you that this is disturbing. A bitch slap doesn't teach anyone respect or put them in your place. Acting "badass" by keeping your cool and slapping someone while they're freaking out isn't going to fix the problem. This isn't TV, folks. All it does is make them angry or scare them, but not respect you or put them in their place. And how the hell do you think fear equals respect? Respect comes when you admire someone. If you fear someone, you won't see them in high regard.
A good belt to the backside never emotionally destroyed anybody. Now beating with fists and whatnot probably did.
It could to a child.
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Sounds like you didn't get beat enough.
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I was spanked as a kid and it made me stronger.
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@Pass:
It could to a child.
yeah if your child is a complete pussy then it might scar them.
And I don't mean belting a child by hitting them in the face I just mean putting them over your knee to show them they screwed up.
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I actually heard another story like that.
two students in 6th grade had sex while the teacher was in the same classroom… he swore that he didn't notice anything :ermm:It happened in the USA but I don't know where exactly...
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I wouldn't disagree that this is- in fact disturbing, but to those saying we have no future with kids like this, I do have a problem with.
I mean, these guys are 5th graders. That adds to the disturbing level, but considering that they're 10-11 years old, you believe that they can think properly? Haven't you ever looked back to when you were in 5th grade and thought, "Man, I can't believe I did that back then!"
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Are you insane? We're talking about pre-teens having sex. If you think there's no problem with two 11 year olds having sex with each other (or anyone for that matter), get out of here.
As long as the sex is between two consentual partners, I don't care how it's carried out or who's doing it.
As long as there's informed consent present, I couldn't care less. Also, I think you're underestimating our youth if you think they're incapable of such consent.
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yeah if your child is a complete pussy then it might scar them.
Emotional developement, man. All children go through it.
Whether you like it or not, spanking is considered physical child abuse, even if it's with a belt.
As long as the sex is between two consentual partners, I don't care how it's carried out or who's doing it.
As long as there's informed consent present, I couldn't care less. Also, I think you're underestimating our youth if you think they're incapable of such consent.
I clicked the link…
based upon an appreciation and understanding of the facts and implications of an action.
as well as~
The individual needs to be in possession of relevant facts and also of his reasoning faculties, such as not being mentally retarded or mentally ill and without an impairment of judgment at the time of consenting
Chilldren tend to lack those qualities.
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And I don't mean belting a child by hitting them in the face I just mean putting them over your knee to show them they screwed up.
It's sad on how people treat the two as the exact same thing. D=
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As long as the sex is between two consentual partners, I don't care how it's carried out or who's doing it.
As long as there's informed consent present, I couldn't care less. Also, I think you're underestimating our youth if you think they're incapable of such consent.
I don't know man.Fifth graders having sex in a classroom….It kinda sounds like ten year old porn.If that doesn't make you cringe a little,Then I guess..
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@Bad-Beat:
Hahaha thanks for this vid I didn't know this guy.
Now I know where the french comedian 'jamel debouzze' gets his sketches from. -
Oh boo-hoo. Looks like people didn't like what I had to say, fine by me.
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to every 1 pair on the news
a thousand are still doing it in secret
oh well and it'd be possible (but not very often) for kids to hit puberty at 11, still they could control it till after they leave school
I kinda agree with what Mavado is saying, but not about any age, around the same age I have no problem with it.
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I got bitch slapped by my mom quite a few times as a kid. :p I wouldn't say it taught me respect, so much as it taught me how to avoid punishment. Considering that these kids were having sex in a classroom, I'd say they don't fear retribution one bit.
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IMO the real problem isn't whether children have sex or not but what can appear nine months later. There are a lot of kids who don't know how to forfend and women get their period earlier and earlier…
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I got bitch slapped by my mom quite a few times as a kid. :p I wouldn't say it taught me respect, so much as it taught me how to avoid punishment. Considering that these kids were having sex in a classroom, I'd say they don't fear retribution one bit.
A.K.A they just don't give a fuck
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^yeap, that's the idea. Who the hell cares about going to detention anyway?
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Wow, just wow. I would be horrified if a kidergarner kids do that.
Tell you the truth, I experiance some sexual activies in my time, back in the 80's. It got far worst then the 80's now.
Back when I was a kid (age 6) I remember I pushed down a girl who is six in a tent and attempt to pull shudder down her zipper. That's when her mom stopped me so I stop.
At the same age I remember I attempt to pull down a boy shorts so I could see his you know what and success at that, my mom told me to stop that.
Now I look back and said "where the hell did I get that?!"
In the 80's parents begun to reduce in disciplinig children, that's why the censorship got worst on TV in the 90's and 00's because parents blame media instend of blaming the lack of discipline they have. Now two 5th grader had sex on the classroom floor and what the hell are their parents doing?
This is not good.
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Or maybe they don't fear retribution because they know there will be no retribution? You know, which came first, the egg or the chicken and all that stuff…
Point is, corporal punishment (just in case, for our children-loving humanists here we're not talking about right hands in the teeth) was an integral part of the education for our grandparents and parents generation. Did it turn them into pussies, psychopaths or child abusers?
This kind of shit (two child fucking like rabbits in the place where they're supposed to study and be raised to become responsible citizens) is, IMO, a direct consequence of noxious ideology, starting in Europe from May 68, "it is forbidden to forbid" and this kind of crap. Humans need boundaries, or else we're not that different from chimps.
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Point is, corporal punishment (just in case, for our children-loving humanists here we're not talking about right hands in the teeth) was an integral part of the education for our grandparents and parents generation. Did it turn them into pussies, psychopaths or child abusers?
Funny you should mention that, just a few weeks ago I found out that the county I live in still went under corporal punishment. The times it happens is never recorded, so it's hard to say whether or not people still use it.
Punishment should depend on whatever the child does. If they're fucking in a classroom… somebody's gonna get a hurt (thanks for posting that Bad-Beat xD ). :ninja:
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Meh, I will just blame MTV. My parents didn't use corporal punishment and I still came out to be alright.
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Point is, corporal punishment (just in case, for our children-loving humanists here we're not talking about right hands in the teeth) was an integral part of the education for our grandparents and parents generation. Did it turn them into pussies, psychopaths or child abusers?
So? Does that mean that we should resort to the same methods people did a thousand years ago? After all, progress can be made…
The fact is, corporal punishment is not a very good way to discipline a child, that it's a short step from punishment to abuse as well as a blurry line between punishment and torture (if there even is a line), and since we now know that there's better ways (now easily found online for those who can't figure them out on their own), shouldn't we use those instead?
I recommend you to read this part of the Wikipedia article on corporal punishment.
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Please do tell what better ways to displine a child. Believe me, Time Out and all that crap doesn't work. Take it from someone who works with children. At the daycare, we were even suppose to do time out. WTH.. The three year old just punched me in the stomach and called me a Stupid Fucker. Three!!! And I am not suppose to do a thing!
Stupid director didn't expell her till the kid punched her in the stomach.
Not that I agree that spanking is the way to deal with every little thing, and should be saved for extreme circumstances.
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So? Does that mean that we should resort to the same methods people did a thousand years ago? After all, progress can be made…
Something isn't necessary good just because it is considered "progressive".
The fact is, corporal punishment is not a very good way to discipline a child, that it's a short step from punishment to abuse as well as a blurry line between punishment and torture (if there even is a line), and since we now know that there's better ways (now easily found online for those who can't figure them out on their own), shouldn't we use those instead?
What a monumental crock of shit. Comparing a few slaps on the cheeks to torture is probably the most retarded thing I've read in a long time. As for your "better ways" to discipline children, please expose them. I'm sure it's the usual tripe about telling the child why what he did was wrong, right? Talk to him with respect yadda yadda. That's how you end up with kids who think they're equal to adults.
I recommend you to read this part of the Wikipedia article on corporal punishment.
No amount of abstract garbage from wikipedia will make me change opinion that lately the education of children has been too wide-open and demonizing corporal punishment is part of the problem.
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@Ms:
Please do tell what better ways to displine a child. Believe me, Time Out and all that crap doesn't work. Take it from someone who works with children. At the daycare, we were even suppose to do time out. WTH.. The three year old just punched me in the stomach and called me a Stupid Fucker. Three!!! And I am not suppose to do a thing!
Stupid director didn't expell her till the kid punched her in the stomach.
What method you should use depends on what they did/didn't and what you want them to do. Time-outs, isolation and taking away their access to toys/games/television are some of the non-violent methods available.
Sounds like the kid you described has already been taught that violence is the way to go. The most important thing is to be consistent and to not reward the negative behaviour. If the kid learns that it can avoid a "time-out" by punching a teacher in the gut, what kind of signal does that send?
What a monumental crock of shit. Comparing a few slaps on the cheeks to torture is probably the most retarded thing I've read in a long time.
It is a kind of torture though, the only difference is in the degree. You're still inflicting pain to produce a response.
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Mavado now tells a teacher how to do her job thanks to his extensive wikipedia reading. Oh man.
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Sounds like the kid you described has already been taught that violence is the way to go. The most important thing is to be consistent and to not reward the negative behaviour. If the kid learns that it can avoid a "time-out" by punching a teacher in the gut, what kind of signal does that send?
For one, that the child is an undisciplined piece of shit.
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Mavado now tells a teacher how to do her job thanks to his extensive wikipedia reading. Oh man.
At least I have an argument. Do you have anything besides "It happened to me, so it should happen to everyone else too!"?
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@Ms:
Please do tell what better ways to displine a child. Believe me, Time Out and all that crap doesn't work. Take it from someone who works with children. At the daycare, we were even suppose to do time out. WTH.. The three year old just punched me in the stomach and called me a Stupid Fucker. Three!!! And I am not suppose to do a thing!
Stupid director didn't expell her till the kid punched her in the stomach.
Not that I agree that spanking is the way to deal with every little thing, and should be saved for extreme circumstances.
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If the kid learns that it can avoid a "time-out" by punching a teacher in the gut, what kind of signal does that send?
We were not suppose to do ANYTHING about this behavior except redirect. Time Out was supposed to be too harsh. I am sorry, but I will not allow a child to get away with that. She punched me, she sat in time out even if it took 30 mins before she did her time. All she had to do was sit for 3 mins (1 min per year). I didn't let her up till she done her time. Do you really think it helped? Remember she got expelled because when hit another adult.
What is sad, is that my other 14 kids missed out on learning time because I was all alone in dealing with this one child. Not very fair.
This was a KinderCare. I don't work there anymore, I work in a Public School now. I get to see what these children are like when they reach 9 and 10. Our school has the most extensive Special Ed programs. I work with the Severe/Profound. But all the ED kids get sent to our school too.
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It is a kind of torture though, the only difference is in the degree. You're still inflicting pain to produce a response.
Following that ridiculous logic grounding a child is a form of torture too right? Since you're inflicting pain (maybe not physical, but at least psychological) on the poor little victim =(
At least I have an argument. Do you have anything besides "It happened to me, so it should happen to everyone else too!"?
An argument? What, you mean comparing light slaps to fucking TORTURE and linking to academic bullshit that I think is completely out of touch with reality?
My argument is that discipline problems were far less frequent and serious before lax ideas became widespread both among parents and among teachers on how to educate children. 15, 20 years ago you didn't see little kids punching teachers, fucking in classrooms, insulting adults. Look at the situation now, it barely surprises people. Is it normal? Are you going to deny people who had an education far stricter than today's grew up to become in vast majority balanced, productive individuals?
Cut the ideological bullshit and start looking at reality.
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Mavado, a 10 year old boy decides to go out and punch an 89 year old woman in the face then swipes her handbag. What would you suggest if you were that boy's parent?
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Oh boo-hoo. Looks like people didn't like what I had to say, fine by me.
You pretty much declared that kids having sex at school before they even hit puberty is the future of society. What, did you expect people to agree with you?
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When I was little, if I threw a fuss or disobeyed a teacher or parent, first I'd get a warning, then I'd get smacked. And ya know what? I think I'm a better person for it. Now when a kid is misbehaving, they either get drugged up, spanked like I did, yelled at, or gasp given detention, which consists of sitting around doing nothing for half an hour or so. Big friggin' deal.
So now, when a teacher or parent yells at me, I think to myself "Oh, I should listen to them because if I don't something bad will happen." Now, kids are saying "Hey. Fuck you, you dumb bitch."
Really, corporeal punishment is like the human equivalent of using an electric or barbed wire fence to keep farm animals contained. If a cow scrapes across the fence, they get a minor shock or scrape and notice that there's something about that space that's bad for them, so they go somewhere else.
I'm not saying that we should beat kids within an inch of their life, but I think that a box on the ears or a good spanking or perhaps, if it's bad enough, a bit of a belting does the person good in the long run. I've known kids whose parents beat them for no reason, and of course that doesn't do them any good. It teaches them that violence is the solution to everything or just plain makes them afraid to do anything. Like everything in life, you have to find a moderate and effective course of action.
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mavado, child abuse is bad…but theres a limit in what u cant do...
if giving the child a few slaps is enough to make the child learning the lesson on no sex as a preteen in a school...then i would choose to slap...
id rather have the child hate me for a long time than to have a preteen parent of some kid thats 12 years younger
and comparing light slaps to torture is pretty stupid...
kids today are like the boss of their parents, cuz they use the "CHILD ABUSE IS BAD" to their advantage...
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Cheeky little bast**ds need a good hiding, set em straight.