Okay, Erik ate the Sickle Sickle fruit, okay? The power makes his fingernails impossibly sharp, so that they could slice the air, but that is not their main power. And if Dragon is a wind logia, then how did Buggy get hit with lightning? I'm guessing the storm storm fruit, no matter how vague it is.
Dragon's ability
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I thought I explained this already:
In Japanese folklore, the Ouryu (ou "king" + ryu "dragon") were the highest, most mature form of a dragon. In other words, the Ouryu was the pinnacle of the dragon life cycle. After 500 years, a normal dragon would become a Kakuryu (horned dragon), but after a period of 1000 years, a Kakuryu becomes a Ouryu (dragon king). These Ouryu were considered sacred, having 'flame-like' wings and worked for the Japanese emperors. Ryu-ou ("dragon king") also refers to Pre-Buddhism era folklore dragons. These dragons could live in water and have the power to control rain. They were occasionally depicted as humans with snake tails, or humans wearing a dragon's hood or snake's hood. After Buddhism become a prominant religion in Japan, the Ryu-ou came to be depicted as attendants of Buddhist deities. They served the role of protectors of the Buddhist faith.
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That's good to know Ace.
But what kind of attacks you can do with rain?
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Have you ever heard of a monsoon?
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@Impel:
Have you ever heard of a monsoon?
Thank you.
A Squall, too, which is what bloody happened in Loguetown but some ignorant slogs won't admit.
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@Impel:
Have you ever heard of a monsoon?
Actually yes.
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And a monsoon will lead to a flood. Tell me, if you ate a DF, would you want to be in a flood? I think not.
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Yeah. But you know, I actually want that Dragon don't have any DF-powers at all.
I would be much cooler if all what he have done is based on his spirit or pure strenght.
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To you who are using the lightning bolt on Buggy argument, i think that you arent considering the fact that it might be destiny, or something along those lines. And AD-HD Pirate, i think i agree with you, it would be very cool to have dragon be DF-less
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I'd say it's a weather-controlling fruit, and IMO it was Dragon that caused the thunderbolt that zapped Buggy, not coincidence.
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Dragon's most dangerous abilities are his charismatic way of speaking and his radical ideas.
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To you who are using the lightning bolt on Buggy argument, i think that you arent considering the fact that it might be destiny, or something along those lines.
I agree, cause everyone knows someone holding up a metal sword in a thunderstorm when standing on a very tall isolated structure will not lead to lightning bolts striking by chance alone.
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The power of the wind can change the weather, it can control the path of clouds, if Dragon has it, he could have brought storm clouds with him, the Kaze Kaze no mi could very well be the same of the storm storm no mi, and yet different as it can do other things a storm fruit couldnt. As for the translation, what is that like the best translation out there or something?
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Well I'm still for kaze kaze no mi damnit. I dont' care what anyone says.
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He controls the weather. End of story. I'm surprised this thread has been going on for so long.
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I guess it's fairly obvious that Dragon can hold his own, but we haven't seen him fight at all… It does seem a popular trend that all of the most powerful in the world possess a DF ability, but I'd hope for something greater.
But if it is, we need more badass paramecias: Scissor Fruit, Wavy Fruit, Threads Fruit, Chains Fruit, Flash Fruit, Book Fruit, Comb Fruit, Song Fruit, Tissue Fruit, I dunno!!
I'm just sick of logias, that's all.
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I guess it's fairly obvious that Dragon can hold his own, but we haven't seen him fight at all… It does seem a popular trend that all of the most powerful in the world possess a DF ability, but I'd hope for something greater.
But if it is, we need more badass paramecias: Scissor Fruit, Wavy Fruit, Threads Fruit, Chains Fruit, Flash Fruit, Book Fruit, Comb Fruit, Song Fruit, Tissue Fruit, I dunno!!
I'm just sick of logias, that's all.
It's speculated Doflamingo has the Suji Suji no Mi (String String Fruit), which would be like the threads fruit. Ori Ori no Mi is pretty much a Chains fruit, I dunno how a book fruit would word, Song Song fruit would have to be eaten by a sword and that would Luffy's musician XD, The ability to blind with light would probably be a part of the Light Light Fruit.
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@Fire Fist:
Thank you.
A Squall, too, which is what bloody happened in Loguetown but some ignorant slogs won't admit.
time will tell…....
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@Black'cap:
The power of the wind can change the weather, it can control the path of clouds, if Dragon has it, he could have brought storm clouds with him, the Kaze Kaze no mi could very well be the same of the storm storm no mi, and yet different as it can do other things a storm fruit couldnt. As for the translation, what is that like the best translation out there or something?
bah, i was gonna say that XD
this is very true, a kaze kaze no mi fruit would basically be able to controll whether and IMO, would be the most dangerous fruit of all.On the other hand i can't help but think that Oda has thrown us for loops before so… you never know.
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Maybe his power is just summoning the storm dragon…thing.
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BAH! You guy havent even brought in an Air pressure fruit? Air pressure is what controls weather patterns, wind, and thunderstorms. Basically its the Perfect Climatact in DF form!
Plus it sums up together all these weird coincidences. It also explains how he could have been affected by the wind in Lougetown. He could create them but then he'd have to cancel it out in order to not be affected. Imagine the havoc he could make by creating tornados, hurricanes and monsoons (Ie: Enhancing Aqua Laguna) Certainly a power worth fearing.So yeah…Air pressure fruit
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I think its logical to say that the kaze kaze no mi, could control the clouds thus control the wheather in some kind of way (I don't think that its that off).
We know that suna suna no mi could suck someone or something dry, as well as being used as a typical logia.
My point is, a logia can be used in many ways.
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BAH! You guy havent even brought in an Air pressure fruit? Air pressure is what controls weather patterns, wind, and thunderstorms. Basically its the Perfect Climatact in DF form!
Plus it sums up together all these weird coincidences. It also explains how he could have been affected by the wind in Lougetown. He could create them but then he'd have to cancel it out in order to not be affected. Imagine the havoc he could make by creating tornados, hurricanes and monsoons (Ie: Enhancing Aqua Laguna) Certainly a power worth fearing.So yeah…Air pressure fruit
but you can controll air pressure with wind ;)
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but you can controll air pressure with wind ;)
In certain conditions yes..but in general, wind is created by a difference in air pressure
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In certain conditions yes..but in general, wind is created by a difference in air pressure
Wind is created by the rotational force of the planet, too. It's a combination of the two things. If the planet didn't spin on its axis, there wouldn't be any wind.
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It doesnt matter theres room for both a Kaze Kaze, and air pressure fruit if you want, after thinking about it air pressure could possibly be para, and kaze kaze would be logia. But enough about the discussion of the nature of the kaze kaze no mi, Im sure it exists, whether in dragon or not, the fact the Teach has Darkness as an ability reassures me, and a awhole new thread can be created about it… Even though I don't think much can be said on it... Whether it makes sense or not, wind is a force that many animes, shows, fictional things have gone to for a power, and Im sure Oda will do the same at one point or another, and I have no doubt the kaze kaze no mi holder will be one of the most powerful because of it.
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Maybe he's a wind logia…maybe he isnt. Lets bribe some japanese kid to ask him in a SBS.
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I wonder how many people don't think he has any powers aside from me. >_>
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@Solar:
I wonder how many people don't think he has any powers aside from me. >_>
**I do.
Remember people, Dragon has an entire revolutionary crew. There could also be a wind logia in them.**
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If Dragon had the Storm Storm fruit, he would immediately start crying his eyes out when he meets Nami.
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Remember people, Dragon has an entire revolutionary crew. There could also be a wind logia in them.
Even with that said, I kinda think the storm was more of a coincidence rather than something from a devil fruit. I could be wrong, but then again I could be right. ^o^
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well either dragon has the storm fruit (winds,thunder) or he has a logia that makes him become/control the elements
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A paramecia (not a logia) with the ability to control (but not become) all elements would be sweet. Although that would make Dragon VERY CHEAP.
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Ok, some things about Dragon are for sure.
First of all he has to be super strong, else he could never ever have become world governements enemy nr. 1. He also gotta be good at hiding, else the governement got him too easily. So i think he's gotta have a eaten DF.
In Loguetown, it seemed as if Smoker knew Dragon. And Smoker didnt even try to catch/arrest him. He could possibly know he wouldnt have a chance to catch him anyway (which would make a good point for Wind Logia).
Another good point for Wind Logia or at least a DF which has influence on wind is http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter100.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1984
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Ok, some things about Dragon are for sure.
First of all he has to be super strong, else he could never ever have become world governements enemy nr. 1. He also gotta be good at hiding, else the governement got him too easily. So i think he's gotta have a eaten DF.
In Loguetown, it seemed as if Smoker knew Dragon. And Smoker didnt even try to catch/arrest him. He could possibly know he wouldnt have a chance to catch him anyway (which would make a good point for Wind Logia).
Another good point for Wind Logia or at least a DF which has influence on wind is http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter100.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1984
He clearly says "STORM" and a wind comes up. I cant really believe that this was just a lucky coincidence.A marine says that. And for the 9,832,543,430 time, Loguetown is NEXT TO A GIANT ASS MOUNTAIN RANGE. When air pressure descends at a rapid rate, it creates a squall, or high winds. Also, next to mountains, rain is a VERY COMMON OCCURENCE.
So, it proves nothing.
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A paramecia (not a logia) with the ability to control (but not become) all elements would be sweet. Although that would make Dragon VERY CHEAP.
well enel controlled thunders inside of clouds
imagine him being a logia of all types,he would totally kick ass,he could control and also become all elements
beating every other logia by knowing and becoming their weaknesses and also he would have none
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He has the Inga Inga Fruit, allowing him to bend the Law of Causality to a certain point. For instance, he can't just erase the World Government, or instantly overthrow it, but he can make people all over the world more accepting of his revolution. And of course, the occasional squall.
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I hate it when people make overly complicate unlikely theorys. I think it's kinda obvious he has a wind or wind based logia. Even in the latest issue when he said "I'm going to go out and stand in the wind", I believe if it's an accurate translation that it was worded that way as a subtle hint to his DF power. Really, its gotta be a wind DF.
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I find it halarious how this thread can even go on this long. Why can't you guys just either except the fact that he can control the wind somehow, or just wait for Oda to goddamned tell us?
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I don't understand, it seems apparant to me that half these people are not even bothering to read Fire Fist's posts. His first post stating the idea that Dragon has the ability to control the rains makes perfect sense, and is backed by logical information.
I personally agree with it. Those of you who wish to continue to bring the wind fruit can do so, but I ask that you do so with something to back you up besides the fact that "Oh! There was wind there, and Dragon was there! I think he has a wind logia!"
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Yeah, he can control the weather. Rain. Thunder. Wind. The Lightning could had acted because of Buggy's Steel Sword, but all the signs point to Dragon's weather controlling ability.
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I don't understand, it seems apparant to me that half these people are not even bothering to read Fire Fist's posts. His first post stating the idea that Dragon has the ability to control the rains makes perfect sense, and is backed by logical information.
I personally agree with it. Those of you who wish to continue to bring the wind fruit can do so, but I ask that you do so with something to back you up besides the fact that "Oh! There was wind there, and Dragon was there! I think he has a wind logia!"
Hey I just brought this back up because of the new chapter, and his return… For the record people glaze over Fire Fists because, as good as a theory as it might be... There is as little proof for it as there is for a kaze kaze no mi relation to dragon. He said Dragon could be an ouryu or w/e cause they are mythical chinese dragons, and his name is Dragon, he has a serpants hood, and he seems to have control over weather, like one of the dragons from the legend do. Thats just as shallow as saying Dragon has Kaze kaze no mi cause of the wind in logue town or the possibly wrong translation of "Im going to stand in the wind". Furthermore where else has there been mention in One Piece about these dragons... Which is why its hard to believe that its going to be part of it. People like to believe he has a devil fruit because its the common explaination in One Piece, and its the common theme, and its part of what makes one piece cool. Yeah you can say Oda throws us the unexpected, he does, like Franky, but then again franky was also hard for me to accept as a Cyborg in a kinda old fassion world, do thinking he had a DF was tempting, pretty much the same with Dragon. You're right, we can't know for sure what he has till Oda tells us, but the same can be said about a lot of things of these forums, its called discussion and theory, and a lot of it becomes bullshit, and some of it is close to the truth, you're right we'll see, but its fun discussing, and its equally as fun to see who goes with the YEAH HE HAS WIND, HES SO BAD ASS! YEAH!, or the Oh well I do believe that he is the great legendary beast of myths, the OOoooooryuuuuu! It brings me humor and Im sure other people find it funny too.
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I don't know, but whatever Dragon's ability is, it's probably super awesome.
I'm highly against the idea of it being the Kaze Kaze no Mi because there are way too many logias already, and having them all show up would be ridiculously cliche. (I want the fruit for myself, dammit! T_T)
I'd think it would be somewhat likely that he's eaten a Zoan fruit of some lizard/serpent/dragon type, especially seeing how his hair looks kind of jagged and spiky in the back like a dragon or something… but I'm grasping at straws here, as I'm sure we all are.
What would be completely awesome though, is if Oda shocked the hell out of us by making his power something completely unrelated to Devil Fruits, or even more so, if he had no ability-boosting power at all, but was just insanely trained or something.
I'm hoping that Dragon's power turns out to be something original and very, very interesting, and not just some lame logia DF, that's for sure.
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Dragon's appearance looks like he can go into Super Saiyan mode…. just have that Dragonball feeling....
anyway, it's probably one of the rarest Devil fruit ever in the whole of One Piece.... one that even Teach doesn't know......
one thing that doesn't make sense is Smoker.... why he didn't try to capture Dragon in Loguetown.... when he is so anal about getting Luffy? Isn't Dragon the most wanted person in the whole world?
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Dragon's appearance looks like he can go into Super Saiyan mode…. just have that Dragonball feeling....
anyway, it's probably one of the rarest Devil fruit ever in the whole of One Piece.... one that even Teach doesn't know......
one thing that doesn't make sense is Smoker.... why he didn't try to capture Dragon in Loguetown.... when he is so anal about getting Luffy? Isn't Dragon the most wanted person in the whole world?
He is, and that's probably why Smoker didn't bother going after him. If you're the world's most dangerous man, you're probably way stronger than Smoker, and I'm sure he realized that. Smoker is strong, but he has his limits.
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So, are we settling on the Storm Storm fruit for Dragon? Yes? No? Maybe so?
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@Impel:
So, are we settling on the Storm Storm fruit for Dragon? Yes? No? Maybe so?
When it's shown in the manga, yes. Until then, it was a coincidence in my view. :silly:
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Yeah i think we should leave it with a… We'll wait and see...
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I think it would be more interesting if Dragon had control over an ancient weapon that could manipulate the weather. Owning an ancient weapon doesn't seem too far out for the most wanted man in the world…