Maybe zoro will fight Shanks. Shanks is Mihawk rival. heck we could say hes second best swordsman.
Most Anticipated Villains
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What about the confrontation with Vice-Admiral Scarface? You're slipping Aldrich.
As badass as he looks I doubt he's a villain. The way Oda introduced him he looked more like a Smoker or Aokiji type than anything. He actually went through the troubles of explaining to his soldiers why they shouldn't help in arresting Robin, almost like a fatherly figure, and looked suspicious towards Spandam when he said Aokiji allowed him to kill Robin.
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As badass as he looks I doubt he's a villain. The way Oda introduced him he looked more like a Smoker or Aokiji type than anything. He actually went through the troubles of explaining to his soldiers why they shouldn't help in arresting Robin, almost like a fatherly figure, and looked suspicious towards Spandam when he said Aokiji allowed him to kill Robin.
Hmm, good point. I did notice that too actually, but anyone that works under the World Government is now an enemy of the Straw-Hats; good or bad. It would be badass to see a Scarface VS Luffy confrontation. The awesomeness of that would equal Luffy VS Croc round 3 and Franky VS Fukurou combined.
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I'd like an Aokiji vs Akainu confrontation since Aokiji seems to be geniunely disturbed by Akainu's actions in the past. Not to mention that Aokiji seems to be fighting the WG (indirectly) from the inside. Akainu vs Aokiji would be awesome.
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I'd like an Aokiji vs Akainu confrontation since Aokiji seems to be geniunely disturbed by Akainu's actions in the past. Not to mention that Aokiji seems to be fighting the WG (indirectly) from the inside. Akainu vs Aokiji would be awesome.
I have to agree there. Screw Ako-iji v Luffy, he's already gotten to fight two logias. I'd rather have those two Admirals rumble it out.
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Aokiji vs. Zoro would be much better….
I mean, Zoro hasn't gotten to fight any Logias. And a lot of Aokiji's moves make weapons (Ice Saber, Ice Partisan.)
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You'd think zoro's sword would have sliced straight through ao kijis ice sabre pre-water 7, since he slices through stone like it's butter. Must be ao kijis spirit that stoped that from happening or maybe it's SUPER ICE.
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Or maybe Aokiji can slice through steel with his ice. :3
Remember, in One Piece, it's "cutting force" that matters, and if they're equal, nothing happens.
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Donflamingo VS the SH crew.
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Is he anywhere near some members of the Shichibukai like Mihawk and potentially soon Blackbeard? Hell no.
i think he's near some members of the shichibukai like mihawk. maybe not mihawk himself because he uses a cutting type weapon, but others like him sure, luffy is definitely near that level. i also think that soon (like after the next arc) he'll be close to blackbeard as well. you make it sound as if "hell no, black beard and shichibukai like mihawk will crush luffy like a truck running over a grasshopper". if they were to fight, i'd say luffy would put up a good fight before he loses.
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As soon as luffy blinks he'd see the world from two perspectives because when his eyes re-open he will have been cut in half.
No way is luffy anywhere near Mihawk I don't think any shichibukai are on Mihawks level
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i think he's near some members of the shichibukai like mihawk. maybe not mihawk himself because he uses a cutting type weapon, but others like him sure, luffy is definitely near that level. i also think that soon (like after the next arc) he'll be close to blackbeard as well. you make it sound as if "hell no, black beard and shichibukai like mihawk will crush luffy like a truck running over a grasshopper". if they were to fight, i'd say luffy would put up a good fight before he loses.
I dont think luffy is on the shichibukai level. Blackbeard is but not luffy
it took him 3 rounds to bring down croc, the 2nd round luffy had crocs weakness and still loss, and the last round was kinda FIXED if ya know what I mean. (maybe cuz hes the main character or hero) -
Ideologically I agree that Akainu and Blackbeard both are very interesting foils, I also agree that doflamingo is a great villian and for similar reasons to the previous two.
Blackbeard is the Dark Mirror of Luffy, he believes in dreams and destiny, but he is also a cruel and savage man whose basic respect for the idea of a dream does nothing to elevate his respect for life or property. Unlike Luffy who is self deterministic and good natured Blackbeard is calvinistic in his doctrine and hobbsian in his action.
Akainu is of course a manchian which always makes for fun times. Overall his use is slightly diminished by Lucci, but thats mostly because Lucci's philosophy on life was ill defined. Akainu is however a absolute character.
Doflamingo is the realist. He believes that there is no use pursueing a dream when material wealth and power lie there for the taking. He has forsaken dreams alltogether for temporal power immediately furnished. He has abandoned his crew for the power of being a Shikibukai and has stepped boldy into the new era where only power and wealth will matter. A bleak crusade and one that is nearly dimetrically opposed to that of Luffy.
However of them I would say I am interestied in Blackbeard, then Doflamingo then Akainu, but I definitely want to see Doflamingo first, as he has a nice setup and I want Blackbeard to be last.
Nice use of vocabulary. You make yourself sound like a History major with your references to John Calvin, Thomas Hobbes, and Manchurian China.
However, I feel that you're looking too hard into it, and while there are various sides that apply to the characters, there are sides that have no connection.
Calvinism implies a religious action, Blackbeard has yet to show any form of religion, unlike Bartholomew Kuma. The Edict of Nantes might be necessary to put in effect if your theory is true however.
In relation to your Hobbes throw back, are you implying the World Government is an absolute monarchy?
Where do John Locke's ideals come to play in One Piece?
Would that make all pirates Lockean?
I personally don't believe what was the foundation for America really applies to Oda's story. Interesting throwback, but I'm just not feeling it. Although, I do agree with Doflamingo being a realist.
As for relating back to the topic, I am awaiting Bellamy's return.
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i have been waiting to learn about donflamingo (esp how the mugiwara, particularly Luffy, will deal with him!), bart kuma, because bears rock and i want to see what makes him one of the strongest zoans in OP… and the Gorosei... i know a lot of people think they are weak, but i actually think they may be strong, especially since Oda seems to be holding them off until the end... at least it will be a relief to find out what they do...
Um, dude. It's not even known if he's eaten a Devil Fruit.
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is there a reason i dunno who
Akainu
is? D= anyone got a pic?
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I believe he is one of the three Admirals… he's the one that said it's better to kill off the scholars and destroy the escape ship which contained the non scholars from ohara and to take out the strawhats... he believes in "absolute justice"Um, dude. It's not even known if he's eaten a Devil Fruit.
this is true,.. i assumed so because, unlike the other shichibukai who seem to be merely named after animals (croc=crocodiles, mihawk=hawk/bat, donflamingo=flamingos etc.), Bart Kuma actually looked like a zoan type, with his ears, his blank eyes (kinda inhuman?) and his nose…
interestingly enough, i read up on b.kuma and read that he may be modeled after the pirate Bartholemew Roberts who:
-was religious
-one of the most successful pirates in history
-was against gambling, obsenities and also abstained from alcohol
-well mannered
-LOVED music and insisted on having a hired musician onboard his ship!i can see that Kuma is supposed to be religious and, atleast in the chapters/scenes/episodes he was in, he was reserved and less obtrusive as the other shichibukai
~ if we assume he will at one point be an opponent to Luffy later in the sreies, i wonder who in the mugiwara would antagonize his religious bent and cause him to view them as his enemy... maybe Robin, since she's regarded as a "demon child" with a "cursed/sinful existence", although those would be really shallow reasons...
ALSO, Luffy might find his musician amongst Kuma's crew!!,,. maybe even Kuma himself... regardless, i'd like to see what damage he can do
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I dont think luffy is on the shichibukai level. Blackbeard is but not luffy
it took him 3 rounds to bring down croc, the 2nd round luffy had crocs weakness and still loss, and the last round was kinda FIXED if ya know what I mean. (maybe cuz hes the main character or hero)that was a while ago. luffy is much stronger now than he was back then. also to Oneinchpunch, mihawk is definitely fast, but who's to say he's that much faster than luffy? how much faster can you get? luffy can already anticipate soru and match it's speed, and i don't think anything can be THAT much faster than soru or the likes unless we get into dragon ball z where they start teleporting. also i never said that luffy is a match for all the shichibukai's.
someone said he wans't even close (the guy was like "hell no"), but that's not true. maybe against mihawk he's leagues away, but not shichibukai's who don't use cutting type weapons. one can only speculate about blackbeard so i won't even get into that.
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that was a while ago. luffy is much stronger now than he was back then. also to Oneinchpunch, mihawk is definitely fast, but who's to say he's that much faster than luffy? how much faster can you get? luffy can already anticipate soru and match it's speed, and i don't think anything can be THAT much faster than soru or the likes unless we get into dragon ball z where they start teleporting. also i never said that luffy is a match for all the shichibukai's.
someone said he wans't even close (the guy was like "hell no"), but that's not true. maybe against mihawk he's leagues away, but not shichibukai's who don't use cutting type weapons. one can only speculate about blackbeard so i won't even get into that.
So far I only see 1guy that luffy can match and that is croc. the others I dont think so.
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that was a while ago. luffy is much stronger now than he was back then. also to Oneinchpunch, mihawk is definitely fast, but who's to say he's that much faster than luffy? how much faster can you get? luffy can already anticipate soru and match it's speed, and i don't think anything can be THAT much faster than soru or the likes unless we get into dragon ball z where they start teleporting. also i never said that luffy is a match for all the shichibukai's.
someone said he wans't even close (the guy was like "hell no"), but that's not true. maybe against mihawk he's leagues away, but not shichibukai's who don't use cutting type weapons. one can only speculate about blackbeard so i won't even get into that.
Remember the first time we saw mihawk on his little coffin raft thing, well remember how he just dissapeared and reappeared near zoro and that was over water. Soru is a technique Mihawk is just naturally that fast.
Remember when he stabbed zoro as he used tiger hunt all we saw was mihawks dagger in zoro's chest. He is so fast we didn't even see a stabbing movement. Also when he cut zoro's swords did you notice how the swords were cut in 2 different places and zoro himself was also cut. He was so fast he made multiple slashes but we barely saw one.
The fact Mihawk's bounty has not been revealed and the fact everyone is so scared of him has got to mean something. Now i can't disagree with you luffy i alot stronger than before, but is seriously doubt he's on Mihawk's level.
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Remember the first time we saw mihawk on his little coffin raft thing, well remember how he just dissapeared and reappeared near zoro and that was over water. Soru is a technique Mihawk is just naturally that fast.
Sorry man to disappoint you but that was just in the ANIME.
In the manga which is canon (you agree???), we never saw Mihawk do the displacement/movement , he just stood there on the wood. -
Well, we didn't see Lucky Roo move next to the guy that had a gun to Shanks head and plug him, does that still make him the fastest man in One Piece?
In all honesty, Luffy isn't on the level of the Shichibukai nor the Yonkou. And as for the marines, Vice-Admiral is his limit. I mean, if his grandfather is any example, Luffy has a good deal of training to do. Garp took a Razor-sharp axe to the chest and didn't even wake up from his nap…
The story's only half over. There's plenty of room for improvement. For all we know, Luffy could lose his powers and get a totally new one. It's been stated no one can have more than one power at a time, but it's never specifically been stated that a DF power can be extracted. Some sort of extraction has to occur for the transfer to inaminate objects, such as Funkfreed or Lasooo.
Luffy may fight any of the Shichibukai left, or none of them. If any, he'll fight Blackbeard when he takes Crocodile's spot. Mihawk's is Zoro's, I have a feeling that Doflamingo's is Robin's fight, B. Bear looks like he'll be Franky's opponent (And please, no jokes because of B. Bear's religous theme and Franky's similarities to Jesus), Jimbei is up in the air, and the two mystery ones are anyone's guess.
I have a feeling though that the two are someone we've seen before.
We've already seen Kizaru, he just hasn't been introduced formally:
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/volume11.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2173
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/volume34.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6437
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Yo man
First: If you talk about the guy in the first pic; Its VICE-ADMIRAL JOHN GIANT
and not Kizarusecundo: Oda never stated that lucky roux was the fastest man in OP, not in the manga, not in the SBS, not in an interview, nowhere…
Its just a internet-myth, and if you have prove just post them, I m burning to see them.tertio: I think Luffy is now in the shishibukai-level and if the one piece grand times that came out a week ago is Oda's work then it is clearly stated inthere. But I believe Mihawk, donflamingo and maybe just ONE more shishibukai are above the shishibukai-level and could compete with the yonkou in a 1on1 fight.
Luffy is not that far away anymore , he needs just one or 2 fights to reach that level, in my opinion.
ok thanks and Ciao
edit: Yow and you re Idea of Luffy losing his power is awesome.
Imagine somthing like that happening, and how Luffy will live with that, or a saga where he has to regain his power. Great. -
For now, all the the Sea Lords (dont know how to spell the real thing). For now it is Blackbeard. I dont know who's Akainu, does anyone have a pic of him?
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Yo man
First: If you talk about the guy in the first pic; Its VICE-ADMIRAL JOHN GIANT
and not Kizarusecundo: Oda never stated that lucky roux was the fastest man in OP, not in the manga, not in the SBS, not in an interview, nowhere…
Its just a internet-myth, and if you have prove just post them, I m burning to see them.tertio: I think Luffy is now in the shishibukai-level and if the one piece grand times that came out a week ago is Oda's work then it is clearly stated inthere. But I believe Mihawk, donflamingo and maybe just ONE more shishibukai are above the shishibukai-level and could compete with the yonkou in a 1on1 fight.
Luffy is not that far away anymore , he needs just one or 2 fights to reach that level, in my opinion.
ok thanks and Ciao
edit: Yow and you re Idea of Luffy losing his power is awesome.
Imagine somthing like that happening, and how Luffy will live with that, or a saga where he has to regain his power. Great.I was joking about Lucky Roo… that's just an ongoing joke.
As for that guy being John Giant, where is that stated? In the Databook? Because there's no box in front of that guy. And the Kizaru Shilouette matches that of that guy.
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Wikipedia claimed that Buggy is Oda-senseis favourite character so I assume we'll see him again and if so, I'm looking forward to it. I'd also love to see the supreme admirals and Doflamingo kick some serious ass, although I kinda saw Doflamingo do that already with forcing Bellamy and Sarquiss fight each other. Control over body, but not mind? Hmmmmm. I once speculated with my brother about a DF that would give a person allowance to control one's mind and have access to it completely. I don't know about you guys, but man… to me that sounds friggin' scary. :ninja:
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@Jedi:
For now, all the the Sea Lords (dont know how to spell the real thing). For now it is Blackbeard. I dont know who's Akainu, does anyone have a pic of him?
See my avatar.
As for that guy being John Giant, where is that stated? In the Databook?
Yeah, his name is mentionned in Blue. He's a Vice Admiral.
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@Archibald:
I'm curious, what villains are most people anticipating the Strawhats to face?
Blackbeard
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I can't help but wonder if he's going to end up being the final villain.I think that the Mugiwara will hafta fight Shank's crew for the last battle actually…
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Sorry man to disappoint you but that was just in the ANIME.
In the manga which is canon (you agree???), we never saw Mihawk do the displacement/movement , he just stood there on the wood.Yeah ok fair enough it's easy to get anime and manga mixed up, but the other thing's he did I'm sure were also in the manga(correct me if I'm wrong can't be bothered looking it up). I think the one that truley proves his speed is the separate slashes he does with his sword at the end and zoro's sword's are cut in 2 separate places even though it looks like one slash. I'm sure oda is trying to show Mihawks speed in that fight and since it's such an important fight he knew people would take more notice.
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Personally speaking, what spoke volumes about Mihawk's strength was Zoro's fight with Hachi.
An octopus fishman with six swords that could lift a few tons of rock like it was nothing, and Zoro basically played with him. Worse, at the time Zoro was suffering from high fever and blood loss. The same Zoro, at full strength and fiercely motivated, had all of his attacks blocked or parried by a penknife! Heck, just to wield a sword of that size with the precision he possesses, Mihawk is a beast. A beast on performance enhancing drugs. Snorting a gram of cocaine every hour. Waah!
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Mihawk's 100% swordsman.
Hatchi never was. He was 20% swordsman, 50% goofball, and 30% strong-man.
It doesn't surprise me that Hatchi was an easier foe than Mihawk in a sword fight… but I'd love to see how Mihawk fought hand-to-hand.
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Yeah ok fair enough it's easy to get anime and manga mixed up, but the other thing's he did I'm sure were also in the manga(correct me if I'm wrong can't be bothered looking it up). I think the one that truley proves his speed is the separate slashes he does with his sword at the end and zoro's sword's are cut in 2 separate places even though it looks like one slash. I'm sure oda is trying to show Mihawks speed in that fight and since it's such an important fight he knew people would take more notice.
You know what proves Mihawk's speed is the fact he deviated the bullets Krieg's man shot at him with his sword and the guy never saw the sword being pulled out (only Zoro saw that)
But that is another thing then speed, its agility.
Even without Soru Zoro blocked every attack (with Soru) from Kaku.
So speed of displacement is not SOOO important in a fight like people tend to believe.