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Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly
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Last bunch of chapters have been pretty impactful, so makes sense that now we get a chapter that is more needed for setting up small seeds and leading up to the next bigger moments. Still some nice smaller moments that I enjoyed. Vegapunk being at his lowest with his own island being bombarded and having his view of Saturn and the WG taken down even worse. In a way I understand having the text, but I feel having the pacifistas just attak Bonney would've been just as or even more effective. Pretty easy for the readers to make the connection on Bonney being attacked by a clone of her father is a terrible fate.
One other moment is the rest of the crew learning about the buster call. Obviously Ussop is going to freak. But seeing Robin lay there relaxed just hit me. Whether or not she is currently unconscious, seeing her in a relaxed state at something that is connected to a very painful memory goes a long way to show that she's in a place where she feels safe with a crew she trusts her life with.
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Again, Vegapunk is right there to be killed, but it's clear Saturn's god complex makes it impossible for him to just do it. No, he must make everyone suffer and regret for their crimes against the World Government. Saturn is a fool.
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However, despite being a fool, he's not wrong when he concludes Vegapunk's hiding something troublesome to the World Government. The Iron Giant is hidden in this island, after all.
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Nice to see Sanji and Nami assuming leadership of their respective groups.
However, who's watching over York? Sure, leaving her alone won't cause problems, right? Perhaps it's Stussy? She's also missing. But she's injured...
Speaking of injuries, Robin's condition worries me.
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The official translation makes the marine attack smarter and more competent than the unofficial ones. Here, they are targetting only the factory and city, avoiding destroying the lab, which is a sensible decision. They are also careful with the Pacifistas.
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I don't feel any worry for Luffy. Even in that state, he can dispatch fodder, as long as they don't manage to somehow cuff him in seastone. Also, Luffy has been helped by someone, so it's possible he's not alone.
(Does the floor being cracked under Luffy mean anything, BTW?)
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And, finally, "someone" makes their move. I've been expecting a "mysterious arrival" since before the Seraphim started their hunt in Labophase, and finally it's here.
Who are "they"? There are less possibilities than most people would admit, but I feel we will get a huge twist!
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In october, I pointed how the escape ship and the Blackbeard ship were juxtapositioned back in Ch 1079, and that pointed for the Blackbeard ship to appear again when the escape ship were targetted.
Also, two weeks ago, I said we were entering the redefinition phase of the arc, in which every element is reshuffled for the final battles.
And here we are, just 2 chapters into that! And things will keep going crazy for the next 5-8 chapters still!
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This chapter was short and mostly a setup chapter, butr it left me pumped because it opened so many possibilities ahead! Can't wait to see what's waiting ahead!
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Had to instantly look back to when we first see the Blackbeard Pirates' ship after reading the chapter just now, and wouldn't you know it, the same page we see them is when we see the scientists are entering the evacutation ship. Almost a year of wondering where the hell the Blackbeard Pirates are and the answer was (seemingly) right there on the page.
Short chapter, just 13 pages, but no breaks so I can't complain. Not as a big a chapter as some of the last ones, but it felt fast-paced nontheless. I hope Oda keeps this up and we don't get lost in endless fighs.
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@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
But seeing Robin lay there relaxed just hit me.
She's not relaxed. She's trying to stand up with a expression of disconfort, while Chopper is trying to keep her rested.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
But seeing Robin lay there relaxed just hit me.
She's not relaxed. She's trying to stand up with a expression of disconfort, while Chopper is trying to keep her rested.
Had to go back to the page, and yeah, somehow I completely saw it differently. So that point is completely moot then.
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Watching the anime, I got this feeling that I absolutely need a double spread that is just a now-unconscious Kuma and the SH bowing down and thanking him.
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Wish that panel of Vegapunk viewing a ruined EggHead could have been a double spread or at least a bigger panel.
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@QueenTangerine3 Thinking about how this chapter is shorter than usual, and how Oda uses his assistants mostly for environment/setting, it's strange he didn't seize the opportunity to make that a big spread, as the only character there is Vegapunk.
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here is what i understand :
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few days ago a BB ship was so close to egghead ( unfruitful for several months )
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suddenly the BB ship sailed away from egghead and went after the evacuation ship ?
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naturally they clashed with the marine ships and destroyed them, and now they're heading back to egghead ?
idk what to say, could've wrote a much better build up than this. I'd be happy to see Teach but is quite unlikely, I'm hoping something significant from his commanders and set more heat & hype for the main rivalry.
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- The Straw Hats arrived yesterday
- Everything before Ch 1089 happened yesterday. As such, the Blackbeard ship was seen yesterday, just as the evacuation ship was being boarded by the technicians and workers.
- Everything from Ch 1089 onwards, except Kuma leaving Mary Geoise, which is in flashback and stated to have happened "the day before", happens today morning.
As such, this ship scouted the island yesterday, then must have distanced itself (probably to avoid being seen by the fleet) and is probably returning to Egghead now, maybe not alone anymore.
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Thank you.
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Interesting tidbit by @sandman in Twitter:
"《Lost in translation》 Kizaru's speech is usually relaxed even when he fought Rayleigh, but this week his line “Go” sounds so serious in JP chapter. Also, the sfx of Doll hearing his words is used when someone stiffens her body in surprise or fear, showing Kizaru's resolve."
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After two incredible satisfying steps forward, One Piece 2024 has its first transitional chapter, and at just 13 pages it definitely feels short and soft. Not quite recappy, but just playing through a lot of things that need to be played out based on the last couple of chapters' events. We start with an obligate page of Marine reactions to the Buster Call announcement and the start of their evacuation, all stuff that takes time but is important to show for the flow of the story.
On a first read I wasn't a fan of Sanji's group letting Vegapunk make such a huge sacrifice of staying back to distract Saturn while they all get away, but looking over the chapter again, I decided it's not that bad. Sanji goes right back after seeing the girls and the wounded Kuma to the shuttle, and we can assume that most of this chapter is taking place over a pretty short amount of time. Plus, Vegapunk's got whatever teleportation thing he used in his introduction, the one that got him stuck half in the ancient robot and then took him straight back to Labophase, so the dude maybe had an exit strategy to justify the risks.
Or did Vegapunk just insist, in his naivety, that he could appeal to Saturn's scientific side and save Egghead and genuinely believe it? One or two more times of this guy not realising he can't trust a thing the Government says and it's going to get frustrating that he isn't learning from it.
Saturn shows some classical dictator hypocrisy though, claiming the world needs no more advancement while coveting Vegapunk's advanced weapon systems for himself and the upper class. Fascism loves appeals to traditionalism even if the leaders would never give up the benefits of progress for themselves.
The scenes in the Labophase promise some exciting scenes in the coming chapters, but don't offer much to talk about on their own. Jinbe, Zoro and Lucci sounds exciting, but I'm curious to see where the issue with the ship sliding is meant to be going. Will it just be stopped casually with a gag, or will it fall into the middle of the melee in the Fabriophase, potentially making Kuma's teleportation truly the only way out of here?
The panel of Vegapunk sinking to his knees as his work is destroyed in front of him is a beautiful shot, but I can't help wondering where Saturn went to allow this to happen. He doesn't seem to be the type to just sit back and trust the Buster Call to kill the scientist. Oh, he'll monologue before making the kill, sure, but he had that readiness to step on Bonney and Kuma personally.
The final spread of this chapter is a gorgeous aerial shot, amazingly drawn with the ring of Pacfistas charging up in the corner. Very well composed and the definite highlight of the chapter. There was a similarly impressive spread for Garp's arrival at Fullalead during the cutaways last year, so Oda's either found a taste for these shots, or maybe found an assistant who's good with drawing structures from that high up perspective. Hope he keeps them coming.
Kuma shows another sign of life to once again protect his daughter. Will he stay switched on longer this time?
Luffy at the food machine is... fine. It makes sense that's where he'd go if he found just enough energy to start moving. I think we're still waiting on a reveal for how he got that initial serve of food, but we'll see.
I'm glad to see the escape vessel was allowed to live in the last couple of panels. The final few chapters of the flashback made of point of showing how the researchers were in on Vegapunk, Kuma and Bonney's relationship and cared for them too, and I found it truly dark and tragic that they had seemingly been so casually destroyed. But by who? I mean, we were shown the Blackbeard ship, right? We've been wondering when they'd make landfall and whose side they'd benefit, right? Just about everyone else who has skin in the game is at minimum days of sailing away and would only have heard of anything happening on Egghead at all, let alone how bad it's become in the past few hours, in yesterday's evening edition paper or today's morning one. So the debate I'm seeing over this one is flooring me.
Reading the takes on the various OP subreddits about this chapter after the scan release was, honestly, kinda depressing. The amount of people making top, upvoted comments that either hadn't noticed or completely forgot about Blackbeard's ship being established chapters ago, or Robin getting injured during the cutaway is insane to me. Not even claiming the Blackbeard ship was a red herring for the sake of a bigger off the wall theory, just straight up not knowing that it had been established. I'm fine with there being people out there who aren't as into this stuff as I am, who just kinda skim the chapters and don't analyse or sit with it all. And of course these people have every right to come online and talk the series anyway. But there being enough of them on the dedicated One Piece subs for their confusion to rise to the top, over any reasonable analysis or fully informed reaction, that's just sad. I hope this doesn't read too gatekeep-y, I'm just finding myself increasingly done with Reddit lately.
Anyway, griping about internet reading comprehension aside, I might be whelmed by this chapter but it's great to be getting three without a break again, which means all the exciting stuff this one was needed to set up is coming that much sooner.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
Plus, Vegapunk's got whatever teleportation thing he used in his introduction, the one that got him stuck half in the ancient robot and then took him straight back to Labophase, so the dude maybe had an exit strategy to justify the risks.
Oooooh, good point! I need to remember that!
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
but I'm curious to see where the issue with the ship sliding is meant to be going
I think it's just a gag for gag's sake. A light moment amid all the urgency. I'll be very surprised if suddenly the Sunny falls off the clouds, lol.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
But by who?
I made my analysis of candidates in the Egghead thread. Check it out! I'd love to see other opinions!
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
Reading the takes on the various OP subreddits about this chapter after the scan release was, honestly, kinda depressing.
To me, the weirdest is people who have a certain idea and are not willing to apply any logic to it. Like someone who insisted to me that the one sinking the marine ship was the Iron Giant. When I pointed out it made no sense, the robot was in the island, it would need to get up, go past the entire blockade unnoticed, and target that lonely ship far away first, the reply was: "So? You don't know if the robot can teleport or go invisible!"
Also, the ammount of people who bring candidates out of nowhere, like Neo MADS "coming to save fellow scientists". When you point out that neither Judge nor Caesar would risk fighting a marine armada for so little, or that they just saved the workers, so there's no reason to move towards Egghead anymore, they come with weird answers like: "they want to see Vegapunk suffer"... ugh...
Not to mention all the people convinced Dragon is coming, despite he being in Kamabakka, on the other side of the Red Line, just minutes ago in-story.
Despite that, I've been searching for good analysis of candidates, hoping there's some good takes there.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
To me, the weirdest is people who have a certain idea and are not willing to apply any logic to it. Like someone who insisted to me that the one sinking the marine ship was the Iron Giant. When I pointed out it made no sense, the robot was in the island, it would need to get up, go past the entire blockade unnoticed, and target that lonely ship far away first, the reply was: "So? You don't know if the robot can teleport or go invisible!"
Also, the ammount of people who bring candidates out of nowhere, like Neo MADS "coming to save fellow scientists". When you point out that neither Judge nor Caesar would risk fighting a marine armada for so little, or that they just saved the workers, so there's no reason to move towards Egghead anymore, they come with weird answers like: "they want to see Vegapunk suffer"... ugh...
Not to mention all the people convinced Dragon is coming, despite he being in Kamabakka, on the other side of the Red Line, just minutes ago in-story.
Despite that, I've been searching for good analysis of candidates, hoping there's some good takes there.As I said in my first post in this thread, the Blackbeard ship is far and away the most likely candidate to me, but since a lot of people online seem to bring up the Grand Fleet I've given it some thought and it's become my second choice.
I have been thinking that Elbaf could be a place where they would show up, for starters, well we're running out of places for them to do so, but also in-universe: Sai and Leo probably shouldn't hang out in their homelands given that they attacked a Celestial Dragon. Hiding in a non-government affiliated island which is the home of one of their fellow captains seems like a logical choice. Barto was last seen in Shanks territory, he could either get captured by Shanks or just make his way to Elbaf on his own. That leaves Cavendish, Ideo and Orlumbus...who would just get a call from the others or something I don't know.
Anyway, since Elbaf is somewhat close to Egghead, maybe some of them could've encountered the evacuation ship.
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@cavendishsama The thing about the Grand Fleet is that at the same time they have all the resources to find and gather around Luffy, but on the other hand there has been no setup (that I can see) in this arc for them to gather here and now.
For instance, in Wano, the newspapers were telling about Luffy being in Wano and Big Mom going there after him for weeks before the Onigashima raid, and the Grand Fleet didn't gather. Notice that by the time of the raid, the Reverie was over by a whole week.
Then Luffy's Vivre Card almost disappears, and we spend one week "and a few days" in Wano, plus 6+ days at sea, and at no point it feels like the Grand Fleet made any move.
And the news on Egghead were out the same morning the siege began.
So, for the Grand Fleet to appear now, they'd need to start moving days ago. Unless Oda decides to make everything a happy coincidence, we just didn't see any events leading up to it.
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Just realized how much Oda has made it a guessing game as to who destroyed the ship in Chapter 1105:
Hancock - Is wanting to be with Luffy after the Blackbeard incident
Teach - Blackbeard pirate ship was seen near Egghead
Marco - Was told about seeing Vegapunk for proof of Weevil's heritage
Dragon - Was pondering over where Kuma went
Vivi - Recently discovered Luffy was at Egghead
Bartolomeo - Captain of a Grand Fleet devoted to helping Luffy
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@Deicide yeah it would definitely be a coincidence. Basically they'd gather for Sai and Leo in Elbaf, but come across the scientists who tell them Luffy is on Egghead or something. Also any option but the Blackbeard pirates still leaves the question: where are the Blackbeard pirates? I think it's unnecessarily convoluted to be somebody else, I'm just trying to consider all the possibilites.
Also Leo appeared during Bege's cover story (guess you can't 100 % be sure it's him?), which I don't think makes sense in the timeline. Bege couldn't get past the Red Line because of increased security during the Reverie and sailed to Dressrosa, so Leo shouldn't be there.
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@cavendishsama said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
Also Leo appeared during Bege's cover story
I don't remember if he's there or just the rest of the Tontatta Pirates crew. That story happens during the Reverie, after all (Bege was seeking Thriller Bark but couldn't cross the Red Line because of all the marine vessels guarding it, so he makes a stop at Dressrosa, starting the whole adventure).
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It is kinda suspicious that by destroying that marine fleet, whoever this is seems to have saved the escape ship. Sure, Blackbeard's crew might have done this by coincidence, but it seems like Blackbeard Pirates would ransack both. That frankly the only real hint that whoever did this might be a more neutral to good party.
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@Deicide I saw it on the wiki, those would be the two panels ch 979 + ch 983
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
Dragon - Was pondering over where Kuma went
This man has really gone down in impact. He could really use a win.
I think he had one of the best intro of the big names. He was mysterious, powerful and impactful, but it all has gone down hill after that intro. To me Blackbeard greatest feat was punking Dragon out of Baltigo.But maybe it’s too early for him and Luffy to meet, And Oda has made a huge Set up for luffy/nika to own egghead, to own this stage, to own the current situation. Now will Oda deliver on that giant set up he created for Luffy, going by his previous deliveries and proving to be horrendous and the worst writer ever at it, I seriously DOUBT IT. But who knows, maybe Oda will surprise me.
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@cavendishsama Wow, I wonder if that's intentional or an oversight, lol. Thought maybe it means it happened after the 4th day of Reverie, when the Charlos incident happened.
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@realtenchu said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
Dragon - Was pondering over where Kuma went
This man has really gone down in impact. He could really use a win.
I think he had one of the best intro of the big names. He was mysterious, powerful and impactful, but it all has gone down hill after that intro. To me Blackbeard greatest feat was punking Dragon out of Baltigo.But maybe it’s too early for him and Luffy to meet, And Oda has made a huge Set up for luffy/nika to own egghead, to own this stage, to own the current situation. Now will Oda deliver on that giant set up he created for Luffy, going by his previous deliveries and proving to be horrendous and the worst writer ever at it, I seriously DOUBT IT. But who knows, maybe Oda will surprise me.
Actually, considering how Vegapunk has history with Dragon and has been blacklisted by the Government, I suppose his best alternative would be to go back to Dragon at this point.
So after this arc, I imagine Luffy would gain the priority of actually going to Dragon, and not just because he's his dad.
So if we see this arc as the arc that's meant to bring the Straw Hats and Revolutionaries together, this might be it.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
I made my analysis of candidates in the Egghead thread. Check it out! I'd love to see other opinions!
I wouldn't put money on your pet theory (sorry!) but it's otherwise a good analysis. The logistics of who can even get to Egghead at this point are important and you get that!
One other big thing that I think is also getting missed is the narrative long view. If half the theorised characters, particularly the ones that are allies, show up at Egghead, what happens next? Does the Grand Fleet say congrats on being an Emperor, you're welcome for stopping the Buster Call, then sail off into the sunset, or do they come along and give Oda a minimum of 7 extra major characters to juggle at Elbaf? Keeping in mind that the surviving Vegapunks and Stussy are already guaranteed to tag along, and maybe Bonney too. There's no hope of the series finishing this decade if the main case gets that big now.
Hancock and co, in my mind, have a similar issue where it would feel weird and make a slightly hollow deus ex machina for them to stop in to save the day just to say hi, then leave. If they stay, it's not as many characters to handle in Elbaf as the Grand Fleet, but that arc is then going to have to pull an antagonist that can put down Rayleigh to let Luffy have any kind of a boss fight.
But as the one alternative theory that actually works around the Blackbeard ship in any way, I'll take it as a runner up.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
the weirdest is people who have a certain idea and are not willing to apply any logic to it
This exactly! They go 'first thought best thought' and just post it without thinking if it actually fits into the other info given. No sense of perspective. And there were always ideas like that, but I feel like they used to end up at the bottom of the threads instead of being the first thing in my feed when I open the page.
I joined Reddit mostly for media discussion because I know I can't expect my IRL friends to keep up with all the same things I'm reading and watching, but that was years and years ago and the site does not feel like it's grown up with me. If anything, the userbase feels like it's gotten younger than when I started.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
I wouldn't put money on your pet theory (sorry!)
No problem! I'm not looking for validation, just discussion. I'm always after new ideas to consider.
About the consequences of characters appearing, I agree that it would be strange for some characters to appear and then just leave at the end of the arc.
I didn't explore my favored scenairo too much, but the way I see it, it's Hancock staying with Luffy (because she needs to leave her homeland) and the others going their way because they came here for their own reasons and their original purpose (bring Hancock to Egghead and nullify Vegapunk's threat) is fulfilled, so they celebrate from afar and wave goodbye as the ships take their separate ways.
Changing subject a little bit, something that's bothering me is where the story goes if the newcomers are indeed the Blackbeard Pirates. Laffite and Devon by themselves wouldn't start attacking a marine ship before moving closer to Egghead, they'd use stealth to their advantage. So I assume it's the entire or most of the crew arriving.
But wouldn't that radically change the arc? Blackbeard would either replace the Straw Hats as the "heroes" of the arc, or replace Saturn and Kizaru as the main villains. Or even both, by first saving them day and then ruining it. Either way, the arc's themes so far, centered on Kuma/Bonney/Vegapunk, are kinda lost.
So, despite Blackbeard being the most likely answer, there's this matter of potential arc derailment.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
Just realized how much Oda has made it a guessing game as to who destroyed the ship in Chapter 1105:
Hancock - Is wanting to be with Luffy after the Blackbeard incident
Teach - Blackbeard pirate ship was seen near Egghead
Marco - Was told about seeing Vegapunk for proof of Weevil's heritage
Dragon - Was pondering over where Kuma went
Vivi - Recently discovered Luffy was at Egghead
Bartolomeo - Captain of a Grand Fleet devoted to helping Luffy
I am genuinely baffled at all this guesses. LOL.
How do hancock, Marco, Dragon and Barto even get to Egghead island.Why would Vivi destroy a civilian ship. Hell, how does she even go about it?
The only logical answer is the Blackbeard pirates as they are literally the only other 3rd party we saw heading to Egghead
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@kevo_koma said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
How do hancock, Marco, Dragon and Barto even get to Egghead island.
Ironically, Marco actually has a fair bit of setting up, as we saw him in the previous day while Ms. Buckin was trying to convince him to seek Vegapunk to confirm Weevil's heritage.
I don't think it's him, thought, it's just that there is a hook that makes it possible for him to be going to Egghead for his own reasons as well as enough time to supposedly allow his arrival now.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
@kevo_koma said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
How do hancock, Marco, Dragon and Barto even get to Egghead island.
Ironically, Marco actually has a fair bit of setting up, as we saw him in the previous day while Ms. Buckin was trying to convince him to seek Vegapunk to confirm Weevil's heritage.
I don't think it's him, thought, it's just that there is a hook that makes it possible for him to be going to Egghead for his own reasons as well as enough time to supposedly allow his arrival now.
Understandable point. Although for whatever reason I don't remember that particular scene. Wouldn't she want him to save him from the marines though?
A quick den den mushi call to VP would prove whatever she was saying, no?But I just don't see Oda reusing Marco again for a long time.
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@kevo_koma said in Chapter 1105: The Height of Folly:
But I just don't see Oda reusing Marco again for a long time.
Neither do I. I think Marco will just go help Weevil, no proof needed, because Weevil saved Sphynx in his absence.
It's just that the scene does work as setup for Marco appearing, thus people have some basis to speculate on.
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What if Germa is coming to Egghead?
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@All-Fiction Why would they fight a huge marine force for Vegapunk?
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@Deicide My small brain just says “Science arc? Science family!”
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Am honestly not sure what the Grand Fleet could do now that's bigger than what just happened. A slave punching down an Elder isn't exactly something the One Piece world would easily downplay in the news.
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Also, Kizaru is being super suspicious again isn't he? I was a bit lost reading this chapter because they skipped when the crew assumingly ran away. In hindsight it makes sense that marines let them go...they're also running from the Buster Call. But what's Kizaru's excuse? He was right there, and in the end of this chapter he literally showed he could catch them anytime. The man is fast when he wants to be.
There's also the matter of Luffy. How'd he get over here? It's a mysterious, but clearly he'll revive in gear 5 later. We know that Luffy heals fast when eating, and funny enough one guy that knows this well is Rob Lucci. Luffy once told the guy to his face that eating meat healed his stab wounds. I hope they call back to that.
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@electricmastro I feel like a fleet of ships attacking Buster Call fleet while they're busting would be a pretty big news. With a bit of luck they might do more than little damage. Some of BB pirates are already there. Possibly a shapeshifter and a hypnotist. Those 2 by themselves could make a mess of things for the Marines pretty quick.
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@All-Fiction all kinds of ties in this manga. They'd have at least 2 reasons to go there, if not more. Not sure if they could make significant difference. No idea what their numbers are post Cake.
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