I wonder how important is to have read/watched Zach Bell. I only watched part of the anime a long time ago.
Konjiki no Gash Bell
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Stronger premise than the original series, that's for sure. But now I wonder for how long had Raiku been planning out the new story, because all that's happening in this chapter was somehow hinted at in the Cafe Gash special.
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Didn't think I wanted a sequel but here I am looking forward to the next chapter.
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Love it so far. Loved the original for what it was and this seems interesting
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Still inetersted to see where this is going.
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Wow, this is really good so far.
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Curious about what Kiyomaro is looking for.
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Chapter 6
https://mangadex.org/chapter/e8aba84e-c890-4834-8061-8c82df999751/1Amazing how just a few lines can suddenly makeme care about a character I didn't think much of before.
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Chapter 7 . The man, the myth, the legend is back.
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Wahahaha, the second Gash said that one demon MUST be safe I knew it could only be him.
Also nice to finally see a bit more about the villains than just the first team. On a weekly release it's not a big deal but with this format it's a bit of a long wait to see who's behind this. Speaking of the villains, was that color spread in the actual release or is that a fan coloring?
Lastly, I've already forgotten who Ziggy is.
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Smh, I started this the same time I read Reborn. I finished Reborn, but never got far with this. I will have to start from chapter 1 again, it's been way too long.
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@Cockycent
I'd definitely recommend to give it another go. Of course it comes down to personal preference but I feel that Gash is vastly superior to Reeborn. If for no other thing than at least the story definitely went somewhere and we don't end up with the protagonist being literally the same in the last chapter as he was in the first. -
the legend returns
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i'm happy to see them again too !
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I love how this forum is so old the thread from the original series in 2005 can keep going to the point of the sequel series coming out in 2022.
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That was one wholesome chapter.
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The "Invincible Folgore" shtick will never be not funny.^^
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He who doesn't like Folgore has no joy in his life.
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I never said it back when the original series was running but I do think that it takes a skilled writer to take a character like Folgore and make him actually one of the most awesome characters in the series without compromising on the aspects that could make people consider him nothing more than a joke character.
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I don't want to spoil Gash Bell with the one piece current debate so I'm asking here.
A lot of One Piece fans complains about the prophetic hero or some villains that appeared to late in the serie but when I reread the first part, it struck me that those apply to Gash Bell (abd a lot of other shonens) yet everyone agrees it is a great serie. So why is one piece different from other mangas and cannot apply the classic shonen tropes ? -
@Kdom
While this for one is not a thing I'm having a problem with I do understand where the argument is comming from. While Oda definitely has planned this from the get go, he has spent most the time creating an adventure store where freedom and free choice to follow your own dream are a core part. Here the series lenght works against it because we saw the protagonist like this for much longer than a decade.But now with everything that has happened not only is this a child of prophecy thing but there's layers upon layers that get introduced that to can make it appear as if nothing the protagonist did happened out of free will, and that the seemingly free will is also something that has been passed down and leading the way.
Personally I don't think a child of prophecy trope is a bad thing and I also expected it to be something especially chapter 100 where "inherited will" became a thing and when Robin in Arabasta asked what those that carry a D in their name are fighting for. But I do understand the notion that it is a bit much in recent years where developments unfold where yet another layer to the child of prophecy thing gets introduced that seemingly takes a bit away from the free will.
I don't remember it well anyore but fro the top of my head I do think that Gash in comarison never had such a big shift in tone on top of running for a much shorter time. Please correct me if I'm wrong here. So if I'm not mistaken then I would say that both series are similar in concept but different in execution. I hope that somewhat provides an answer.
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@Kdom
Ivotas summed it up pretty well, but I'll add my thoughts. The trope of a prophetic hero isn't bad in itself, it's all about execution and reader expectations. Keep in mind it's been a while since I read this manga and I blitzed through it in a few days, so my memories are fuzzy.With One Piece I was drawn to it because it was all the things Bleach and Naruto failed at. The protagonist wasn't some chosen one, there was an emphasis on having to rely on crewmates, and despite all the wacky things going on I expect a sort of maturity out of it. So for this manga to rely on classic shonen tropes doesn't add anything to the story. It's not what I'm excited to read about. That, and many revelations simply came too late in the manga's lifespan.
Zatch Bell on the other hand never depicted itself to be different from the "traditional shonen". It embraced a lot of tropes and had fun with them. Gash's heritage was a central part of the story and his character arc. I read Zatch Bell for the character interactions and action, not to get a deconstruction of shonen.
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Thanks for the answers. I really don't think Oda intention is to deconstruct the shonen. In all his interviews, he has always said that he was writing for young boys.
And i don't find that there is that much difference between Gash and Luffy's prophetic destiny beside One Piece being much longer.
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@Kdom said in Konjiki no Gash Bell:
Thanks for the answers. I really don't think Oda intention is to deconstruct the shonen. In all his interviews, he has always said that he was writing for young boys.
While I don't think Oda ever aimed at genere deconstruction, One Piece has always being a more politically charged shonen than the average. I think that created an expectation that the inherited will theme would be kept in the metaphorical sense, and not as a literal piece of the main characters power that only has been revealed to be so 1000 chapters in.
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@Kdom
I do think that the two of them are vastly different in execution of the same concept.Gash, if memory doesn't fail me, started his adventure while having amnesia. That already from the beginning sets his true identity up as something that will be revealed later. It does not automatically mean that he has to be someone important, but as the reader you always have the thought "this guy might be someone important" in the back of your mind. So when he finally get's revealed to be the kings son, it's that much of a 180.
For Luffy it's different. He doesn't have amnesia and his heritage isn't really important for a long while. Of course it doesn't stop readers from wondering who his parents are but the mystery comes more from the audiences investment rather than the story itself setting it up. The important things we know about Luffy is that he's free guy who goes on an adventure because that's the thing he wants to do.
And then we find out that there's other D. like him, which seem to be special kind of people who are different from others. That is not a bad thing at all, since most protagonists have something that others don't have that gives them the edge. Plus he's not the only D. meaning just being a D. doesn't instantly make you win the Pirate King game.
Then we later find out that both his father and his grandfather are a big deal in their own field. Again nothing wrong here as neither of them has claimed the title of Pirate King. At that point they still add more to the idea that D's are some special people with an incredible drive to push forward and achieve their goals. And Luffy is just like that. He has some incredible drive but he's neither a copy cat of his father nor of his grandfather. He follows his own free will not letting himself get stopped by anything. For a decade and a half this idea has time to grow within the audience so it's only natural to take this for what it is.
But then on top of being a D. and the (grand)child of Garp respectively Dragon, he actually also has some specific super power than only a select few and Don Chinjao are born with called Conquerors Ambition. Having that power is lesser focused on Luffy but more on anyone who doesn't have it, because as an audience that has even the most basic concept of storytelling you now know that a huge number of characters who don't have this superpower are instantly locked out of being a serious contender for the title of Pirate King.
So know it's a D., (grand)son of Garp and Dragon and a person with Conquerors Ambition. But wait that's not it because actually that Strawhat that was only a memento of his idol is now something that has been passed down by the Pirate King. No wait, actually the Strawhat goes way back and can be related to whatever happened during the void century.
Oh and actually Luffy has also the ability the hear the voice of all things and thus understand what Zunisha and the Seakings are saying which is very relevant to the bigger picture of One Piece.
Oh and actually
To sum it all up, to me it seems that it's not the child of prophecy that many have a problem with. It's rather that there's so many 'actually's' happening that even if you have no problem with the concept, the execution does throw you off a bit because you had so many years to get to know Luffy as somebody who just has this drive. But adding layer on layer on top of this concept seems to be taking away a lot of agency for Luffy making him seem like he's destiny's pawn rather than a character that choses his own destiny.
Personally I believe that it is still for Luffy to decide what he will do with all the tools given to him. But I do see why people would be annoyed by the countless curveballs Oda throws at us. Again, I do think that the length of the series heavily has to do with that perception. But even length aside, I wouldn't consider the execution of the same concept in One Piece is the same as in Gash.
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Kanchome always has ridiculous spells
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Ah Shonen can give you such nice feelings. I'm not sure what happened but I was happy to read this chapter
Also I'm even more happy because a French editor has finally decided to reedit the first serie
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@Kdom It's also being sold here for the first time, but I don't have space for the volume right now.
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I don't have either :-) but I still bought the 2 first volumes of Holyland 2 days ago...
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Seeing Sherry in that last panel made me cry. This series just keeps bringing the emotion. Feels like a gift every month. And that colorspread! They are really going all out with the art, and I am loving it.