The worst thing about Woli is that we had seen Ippo at that point fighting and training for irl decades and then some little chump from the jungle comes out of nowhere who never fought a day in his life and completely trashes Ippo, makes him look like a total joke and it's only through basically massive luck Ippo managed to steal a win at the end. It is extremely unsatisfying to see and basically makes your protagonist look like a joke and I don't care if it happens in real life (and I very much doubt it's ever happened in real life to that degree lol). And it went on for so long too, just volumes upon volumes of Ippo not being able to do a thing against Woli. It would have been much better if it was a much closer fight where Woli has a strong start because of his busted physical specs but Woolie slowly but surely overwhelms him with his experience and training instead of that absolute miracle win he got instead.
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I mean that tarzan exist and became a boxer is weird in the first place.
Not to me to be honest. There's so many different people out there in the world with freakishly insane skills and talents that even fiction often cannot come up with. So yeah, that something like Tarzan exists in a fictional universe where one of the main characters literally punched a bear do death with his fists is nothing that actually surprises me.
As far as Tarzan becoming a boxer is concerned, picture the following scenario. A guy makes an expedition in the jungle where Tarzan lives and meets the same by chance encounter and witnesses his quick reflexes and inhuman strenght. Back when he returns home he tells his friend who happens to be a box promoter about Tarzan making him see dollar bills in his eyes thinking of the possibility of such a human being existing. So a second expedition is happening to find and recruit Tarzan. Done, that's how easy you can get Tarzan in into boxing. It most defininitely isn't Tarzan himself he decided to leave his jungle to become a professional boxer which is a thing he never even heard or cared about.
I can't think of an example from the top of my head but don't many stories in fiction start by a "chance encounter" where some veteran discovers a random nobody's talent and convinces the latter to join him into a world he never knew about. Heck, didn't Ippo to a lesser degree also fit that concept by being discovered by Takamura. Only that Takamura wasn't hellbent on getting him into boxing at first sigth but after Ippo managed to capture those ten leaves?
I get what you guys are all saying and that's fair. It's just that to me that all really doesn't seem so superhuman from where I stand. Compared to the real world yes. But as I said, a manga exaggerates things. I mean every single boxing match in this manga is a superhuman feat that you don't see in a real boxing match at all. It just takes a existing concept to the extreme and makes the manga better for it. A prime example would be Mashiba's flickers. His arm looks like a whip. That's nothing that exists in the real world. Bu the concept of reach and twisted movement I take it exists (sorry, but I'm not much in the know about the deep specifics of real boxing). And let's not forget that this is a series where Takamura KILLED A BEAR WITH HIS HANDS!!!
I know twice in one post. But I cannot stress how ridiculous this is. Do I hate it. Hell no, I was thoroughly entertained and still like it. I've come to accept that this is possible in the Ippoverse as many others seem to have. Which is why Wolly just doesn't bother me that much from the concept of his natural gifts. I think that I just didn't like the fight because it somehow bored me if I remember correctly. Which also is why I don't remember much that was going on.
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Takamura is far too human for me to be bothered by. He is superhuman while existing comfortably within a world of humans, he's had struggles, learnt and grown from hardship and is mostly just baseline tough. He does insane things but at no point does it (for me) feel unearned or even out of place since it comes from a point of steady growth. I dunno, i sort of draw a line betwenn exaggerated reality like an arm snapping so fast it seems like a whip and outright fantastic using a gymnastics routine to win a world championship match. One is within my tolerance, one feels like an unforgivable altering of the basic premise of the story.
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Not to me to be honest. There's so many different people out there in the world with freakishly insane skills and talents that even fiction often cannot come up with. So yeah, that something like Tarzan exists in a fictional universe where one of the main characters literally punched a bear do death with his fists is nothing that actually surprises me.
As far as Tarzan becoming a boxer is concerned, picture the following scenario. A guy makes an expedition in the jungle where Tarzan lives and meets the same by chance encounter and witnesses his quick reflexes and inhuman strenght. Back when he returns home he tells his friend who happens to be a box promoter about Tarzan making him see dollar bills in his eyes thinking of the possibility of such a human being existing. So a second expedition is happening to find and recruit Tarzan. Done, that's how easy you can get Tarzan in into boxing. It most defininitely isn't Tarzan himself he decided to leave his jungle to become a professional boxer which is a thing he never even heard or cared about.
I can't think of an example from the top of my head but don't many stories in fiction start by a "chance encounter" where some veteran discovers a random nobody's talent and convinces the latter to join him into a world he never knew about. Heck, didn't Ippo to a lesser degree also fit that concept by being discovered by Takamura. Only that Takamura wasn't hellbent on getting him into boxing at first sigth but after Ippo managed to capture those ten leaves?
I get what you guys are all saying and that's fair. It's just that to me that all really doesn't seem so superhuman from where I stand. Compared to the real world yes. But as I said, a manga exaggerates things. I mean every single boxing match in this manga is a superhuman feat that you don't see in a real boxing match at all. It just takes a existing concept to the extreme and makes the manga better for it. A prime example would be Mashiba's flickers. His arm looks like a whip. That's nothing that exists in the real world. Bu the concept of reach and twisted movement I take it exists (sorry, but I'm not much in the know about the deep specifics of real boxing). And let's not forget that this is a series where Takamura KILLED A BEAR WITH HIS HANDS!!!
I know twice in one post. But I cannot stress how ridiculous this is. Do I hate it. Hell no, I was thoroughly entertained and still like it. I've come to accept that this is possible in the Ippoverse as many others seem to have. Which is why Wolly just doesn't bother me that much from the concept of his natural gifts. I think that I just didn't like the fight because it somehow bored me if I remember correctly. Which also is why I don't remember much that was going on.
I mean in the given story I would imagine having Tarzan have boxer moves not just be doing acrobatics. And if it went in the acrobatics idea I would imagine in a fun silly movie rather then one where the fight are supposed to feel somewhat grounded. Like some exageration is expected like the impact of Ippo punch or exaggerated speed or strength to convey an aspect of boxing. but we are talking a jungle in the ring with not an ounce of grounded in it. That's a different kind of suspension where you just have to go with anything goes instead of just stylized boxing.
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Takamura is far too human for me to be bothered by. He is superhuman while existing comfortably within a world of humans, he's had struggles, learnt and grown from hardship and is mostly just baseline tough. He does insane things but at no point does it (for me) feel unearned or even out of place since it comes from a point of steady growth. I dunno, i sort of draw a line betwenn exaggerated reality like an arm snapping so fast it seems like a whip and outright fantastic using a gymnastics routine to win a world championship match. One is within my tolerance, one feels like an unforgivable altering of the basic premise of the story.
That's the point I don't get. I mean what's to say that Wolly's skillset is unearned? Yes, he didn't have much of a professional boxers experience before he got to Ippo but at no point would I consider his skills and talents to come unearned. To me at least it's clear that he honed those them living the life he did. And it was only thanks to someone else but him who saw this and wanted to take this to the world of professional boxing to make a quick buck.
Again, somebody coming from a different field to snatch someone's position who's spent years honing his skills happens across the border in all fields of life be it the work, sports, music or movie world. To name a very prominent example of this concept just look at Arnold Schwarzenegger. That dude has zero acting skill and yet he became one of the hottest Hollywood actors for quite a long while when he was in his prime. There were and still are plenty of actors that dedicated many years of their life honing their skills who can never dream to will never get even ten percent of the success as an actor Schwarzenegger earned. Is it unfair? To be honest, I'm undecided on that front because I see the disappointment you might feel as a real actor but at the same time if there's the demand to pay and see Arnie doing Arnie stuff than that also speaks a clear language. So did everything fall into Arnie's lap without him lifting a finger while other actors went to acting school and spent many hours rehearsing a role just in order to get a job. No it's not, because Arnie wasn't born with the body that made people notice him. He might have been giften a body that has the potential to grow muscles that looked as amazing as his BUT he had to work hard to get his muscles to grow like this. Yes he took steriods but those alone won't get you that far without dedicating your entire life to a training, nutrition, rest routine that will generate said results. He was a very eager person and bet everything on that card. In the end it worked out. It's easy to dismiss him as being lucky without having done anything to deserve the chance he was giving. But that ignores all the energy, time, sweat and blood he put into honing his body for one in a million chance that it will give him a lucky break. And there's plenty of stories like that in all areas of life. Which is why I just cannot see Wolly as having magically getting everything on a silver platter without doing anything for it.
I mean in the given story I would imagine having Tarzan have boxer moves not just be doing acrobatics. And if it went in the acrobatics idea I would imagine in a fun silly movie rather then one where the fight are supposed to feel somewhat grounded. Like some exageration is expected like the impact of Ippo punch or exaggerated speed or strength to convey an aspect of boxing. but we are talking a jungle in the ring with not an ounce of grounded in it. That's a different kind of suspension where you just have to go with anything goes instead of just stylized boxing.
That's fair enough of a reason and I totally see your point here. Nothing to disagree with. That might actually be one of the reasons why that fight didn't stick much with me. As stated plenty of times, I really don't remember much of it anyways.^^
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I never hated Wolli. He was just a "meh" character for me. As was many of Ippo's non-championship opponents to me.
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Hate is such a strong word but I have to admit if there's any character I'm starting to truly dislike lately then it has to be Ippo himself because I just find him and his antics outside of the ring utterly unbearable. This is a problem I'm not having with Ippo himself but rather with a creative decision that mangakas make in long running series such as this series or Detective Conan (or heck, even One Piece on certain aspects) to mention other prominent names. It's when certain aspects about the character don't develop beyond a certain point be it because they are not meant to be or they are meant to happend at the endgame which with series that are running too long just get's stretched out.
Prime examples here is the romantic relation ship with (what was the name of that selfish piece of wood Ippo likes and who's also Mashiba's little sister?). I would like to say it's moving at a snails pace but that would huge understatement. It's more like a car with a flat tire that just doesn't get fixed and says stranded in the middle of nowhere. Detective Conan was like this with Satou and Takagi too but the mangaka realized at some point that it needs to be concluded. So they finally became a couple but since it's an aspect of the series the readers to like we just recycled that with Chiba and his girl and then with some others. All in the meanwhile guys like Hattori and Kazuha moving nowhere and same with Shinichi and Ran. But at least the characters have enough of a personality that doesn't want me to punch them in the face for being too clueless about the world so I can bear with that. But Ippo is so terrible outside of the ring be it not getting romantic advances and being overly a goody two shoes that I really cringe eveytime I just see him. That's why this entire retirement phase is such a terrible slog. The only times it actually is interesting to me is when Ippo's new found perspective actually makes him realize something about boxing he didn't see before. Because at that point his brains seems to be working and no matter how little of a new realization he's made at least it means he's developed in some point. Anything else bout him however is a hard pass for me lately.
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That's the point I don't get. I mean what's to say that Wolly's skillset is unearned? Yes, he didn't have much of a professional boxers experience before he got to Ippo but at no point would I consider his skills and talents to come unearned. To me at least it's clear that he honed those them living the life he did. And it was only thanks to someone else but him who saw this and wanted to take this to the world of professional boxing to make a quick buck.
I don't know if some wires were crossed here but my main problem with Woli is more that he isn't an Ippo character. He has none of the grounding any other character does, his skillset is not plausible within the reality that every other character functions and him existing as a literal superhuman in a world where baseline reality has mostly been upheld is one step too far away from the core premise of this train til you sweat explain the process behind it boxing manga.
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I don't know if some wires were crossed here but my main problem with Woli is more that he isn't an Ippo character. He has none of the grounding any other character does, his skillset is not plausible within the reality that every other character functions and him existing as a literal superhuman in a world where baseline reality has mostly been upheld is one step too far away from the core premise of this train til you sweat explain the process behind it boxing manga.
I see. I guess I just don't see it having crossed that far into the fantastic then because I just don't consider any sports manga to be grounded. Don't get me wrong, I do get what you mean it's just that to me it's not how I perceive the world. Now if something like magic or actual superpowers like Devil Fruits, Chakra, Quirks or whatnot would be thrown in then I'd probably feel like a line has been crossed. Wolly however is just an extreme version of a specific stereotype that hasn't appeared in the series yet but doesn't seem out of world in a series where it is possible to punch a bear do death with your bare fists (yeah, I'm totally riding this one wave home) XD But as I said, I do get where you are coming from.
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Now that i think about it, didn't he just stun the mama bear and Nekota being the one who shot her? Changes nothing really since cold cocking a bear is still y'know, punching out a bear. But i just remembered that bear stew gag where Taka got pissed and scarfed down the whole stew in her honor.
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Now that i think about it, didn't he just stun the mama bear and Nekota being the one who shot her? Changes nothing really since cold cocking a bear is still y'know, punching out a bear. But i just remembered that bear stew gag where Taka got pissed and scarfed down the whole stew in her honor.
Haha, if that's true I completely remembered it wrong. Might totally be that way. Unlike One Piece I've never read any chapter more than once so chances are high that I'm totally off with everything I've said above about Takamura PUNCHING A BEAR TO DEATH WITH HIS BARE HANDS!!!
Sorry mate, had to say it. Can't act now as if I've never said this. A true captain goes down with his ship.^^
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It's true that Ippo desperately needs more character development. I think the last we saw of that is when he almost went ballistic on Aoki's brother (name?) and slapped him into infinity. Takamura told him he needed to cross the line to make it in the world, and we've seen it. Now we just need to get Ippo back into the damn ring.
Then again I liked how realistically they dealt with his brain damage. Something like that is not to be taken lightly, so I actually approved when Ippo made the big decision to retire. It's just that this is a boxing manga so Ippo needs to keep boxing to be the main character.
Prime examples here is the romantic relation ship with (what was the name of that selfish piece of wood Ippo likes and who's also Mashiba's little sister?).
Yeah, Kumi has been a bitch lately, but considering how damn long their relationship is taking, I don't entirely blame her for getting a little miffed.
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It's true that Ippo desperately needs more character development. I think the last we saw of that is when he almost went ballistic on Aoki's brother (name?) and slapped him into infinity. Takamura told him he needed to cross the line to make it in the world, and we've seen it. Now we just need to get Ippo back into the damn ring.
Then again I liked how realistically they dealt with his brain damage. Something like that is not to be taken lightly, so I actually approved when Ippo made the big decision to retire. It's just that this is a boxing manga so Ippo needs to keep boxing to be the main character.
The braın damage thıng was handled well but I would have actually preferred for this actually mean a true retirement at the end of the manga respectively they just should have ended the story. Some great series like Slamdunk for instance just don't get a happy end it still they end up being utterly amazing. With everything that's going on now however the take on braindamage is long gone and heck, even ridiculed to some point as being a mistake to begin with like when Miyata asked who determined that Ippo was punch drunk. I'm basically trying to say that the thing that made you think is long gone and we're just left with an incredbly streatchhed out build up which sucks because the character is unbearable outside of the box ring.
Yeah, Kumi has been a bitch lately, but considering how damn long their relationship is taking, I don't entirely blame her for getting a little miffed.
Then she should just say something herself if she gets a clue on how clueless Ippo is. She clearly is the type of person who actually wants to be courted by the male which in itself is not bad. But if the guy she has hots for just is incredibly dense on that matter either give it up and be proactive yourself or realize that you placed your bet on the wrong horse. But she should definitely stop being a selfish bitch about it. Ippo's life is Ippo's life. I can understand that she doesn't want Ippo to get hurt anymore in the box ring. But still that's not for her to decide and she seems very selfish on that front.
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Here's the bear fight in question.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Hajime-No-Ippo-chapter-230.htmlThank you very much for digging that out. This is somehow better and worse than I remember it. It's definitely better that I remembered it wrong and he as wolfwood said hasn't killed the bear with his punch. But the worse thing is not that it was just one punch as I remember, he pretty much had a box match with the bear. Sorry but that's just too goofy and definitely takes out the reality for me which everyone else says has been tainted only by Wolly. After re-reading this I still think that if this is ok Wolly is ok too.
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I dont mind Kumi's annoyance or desire for Ippo to make a move. Like I dont consider her a bitch to her brother. And I dont think she's much of a bitch to Ippo. She should move and try to get what she wants. I just wish Ippo would get a clue and have a real talk with her or take strong position. There's a potential for good relationship drama where 2 people learn to talk and be more receptive to each other's feeling but Ippo is such a doormat and a moron its just annoying.
And I do wish they would have just tuck to Ippo is retired and stop constantly mentioning how maybe he's not so done after all. Maybe have end the manga on a Rocky 3 moment with Miyata and Ippo having their last match not on the formal ring but back where it all started at the gym.
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And I do wish they would have just tuck to Ippo is retired and stop constantly mentioning how maybe he's not so done after all. Maybe have end the manga on a Rocky 3 moment with Miyata and Ippo having their last match not on the formal ring but back where it all started at the gym.
Completely agree, lately I kinda wish they would do that. The manga is named after Ippo, yet we follow so many other characters who are going on with their boxing career that it's frustrating to have him stuck in mid-waters. End the damn manga and start a new series about Ippo's life as a coach if it's what interests the author, or get him back on the freaking ring, but don't let us hang like this. I probably wouldn't mind at all if it was Takamura who had had to retire due to brain damage (although whether he has a brain to damage in the first place is a question unanswered :p), but when the supposedly main character of the series goes into limbo like that I can't stand it.
In fact, since people were discussing the Woli fight I went back and read it (hadn't so far). If there is one positive thing to say about it, it's that at least Ippo was displaying confidence while on the ring. Ever since retirement, he has felt liek a completely bland character except maybe that one time he nearly lost his cool that Satsuki mentioned. I'm getting increasingly annoyed with his moronic self always excusing himself for something, his being a klutz, his overboard worrying (god, the Takamura pre-fight chapters…). Give me back the fierce Ippo we see on the ring ! -
I dont mind Kumi's annoyance or desire for Ippo to make a move. Like I dont consider her a bitch to her brother. And I dont think she's much of a bitch to Ippo. She should move and try to get what she wants. I just wish Ippo would get a clue and have a real talk with her or take strong position. There's a potential for good relationship drama where 2 people learn to talk and be more receptive to each other's feeling but Ippo is such a doormat and a moron its just annoying.
And I do wish they would have just tuck to Ippo is retired and stop constantly mentioning how maybe he's not so done after all. Maybe have end the manga on a Rocky 3 moment with Miyata and Ippo having their last match not on the formal ring but back where it all started at the gym.
Except the problem with this is that Rocky & Creed had two professional fights whereas Ippo and Miyata never did and Morikawa always hyped Ippo & Miyata getting to fight each other legitimately only to repeatedly come up with ways to drag it out and then massively fucked up with Ippo doing back to back jobs leading to his retirement.
In other words that ending would be a lazy as hell cop-out. And we’ve had enough of those with this series.
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I dont mind Kumi's annoyance or desire for Ippo to make a move. Like I dont consider her a bitch to her brother. And I dont think she's much of a bitch to Ippo. She should move and try to get what she wants. I just wish Ippo would get a clue and have a real talk with her or take strong position. There's a potential for good relationship drama where 2 people learn to talk and be more receptive to each other's feeling but Ippo is such a doormat and a moron its just annoying.
She's not being a bitch to Ippo or her brother, she's being bitchy to the other people around her as she vents. Her ultimate "bitch" moment though was probably when she was trying to keep Ippo from ever thinking about being involved with boxing again. That's just low, Kumi.
It's hard being in a relationship with someone who's in a dangerous profession, but when that profession is such a core part of their life, you either learn to deal with it or break up.
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Pretty funny though considering she was told about the circumstances of how Ippo’s dad died but Boxing is the more dangerous job to her.
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It's hard being in a relationship with someone who's in a dangerous profession, but when that profession is such a core part of their life, you either learn to deal with it or break up.
I'd agree if Ippo wasnt the one that left the profession out of his own volition and trying to start something new because of the possible danger to his health. It's not like she's with Sendo and trying to force someone out of what they love. Ippo did mention wanting to move on and has been trying to do so. I was a lot more annoyed by all those people being like who cares about the possible damage and your reasoning to want to help out your family. Just come back and box already.
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She's not being a bitch to Ippo or her brother, she's being bitchy to the other people around her as she vents. Her ultimate "bitch" moment though was probably when she was trying to keep Ippo from ever thinking about being involved with boxing again. That's just low, Kumi.
It's hard being in a relationship with someone who's in a dangerous profession, but when that profession is such a core part of their life, you either learn to deal with it or break up.
Perfectly said. Not a bitch to the people she cares about but to others and also very selfish to a point where she can be utterly unlikable. And also right you are on break up or deal with it. This is definitely 100% the writers fault as this is not one of the situations where writing a character in a way that they develope a life of their own. It's clearly Morikawa padding her to stretch this out as long as possible for the target audience that's on the edge of their seat asking themselves "are they gonna finally get together?" Just overall terrilbe writing on that front.
I'd agree if Ippo wasnt the one that left the profession out of his own volition and trying to start something new because of the possible danger to his health. It's not like she's with Sendo and trying to force someone out of what they love. Ippo did mention wanting to move on and has been trying to do so. I was a lot more annoyed by all those people being like who cares about the possible damage and your reasoning to want to help out your family. Just come back and box already.
The thing is though that even though Ippo has left out his own volition it has been more than hinted several times that he's missing it as more and more people are connecting the dots. Heck, even Kumi seems to be getting that vibe albeit only because she's paranoid. But wasn't Kimura the one who pointed out that Ippo is missing boxing? I seem to remember something along those lines. It's only Ippo who is yet not comming into terms with what he really wants. The thing is, while I know it's been done to death in fiction I'm a sucker for character going through the delevopment of realizing what they really want. That's why this current slog is so terrible to watch. We are moving at a snails pace and getting disappointing fights to fill the time. I still love this manga but hot damn are we stuck at a bad part for quite some while now.
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The thing is though that even though Ippo has left out his own volition it has been more than hinted several times that he's missing it as more and more people are connecting the dots. Heck, even Kumi seems to be getting that vibe albeit only because she's paranoid. But wasn't Kimura the one who pointed out that Ippo is missing boxing? I seem to remember something along those lines. It's only Ippo who is yet not comming into terms with what he really wants. The thing is, while I know it's been done to death in fiction I'm a sucker for character going through the delevopment of realizing what they really want. That's why this current slog is so terrible to watch. We are moving at a snails pace and getting disappointing fights to fill the time. I still love this manga but hot damn are we stuck at a bad part for quite some while now.
Ippo knows he still likes boxing and wouldnt mind sparring but he left because he didnt want to risk brain damage and help his mom. Same way Date left because he got as far as he could or Take left cause his son got sick. I dont like when a character makes a choice and people spend their time undermining it because they know better. And everytime someone is like "I know Ippo decided to not box anymore after being given proper information but what if he didnt tho" it annoys me. Let him get back to it by himself and support him in the actual choice he made.
The one time Kumi did annoy me was when he wanted to go see Sendo box and she was being a pain in his ass.
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Pretty funny though considering she was told about the circumstances of how Ippo’s dad died but Boxing is the more dangerous job to her.
Yeah, it's not like they're deep sea fishermen, but any job in the ocean has more risks than being an office worker. Which Kumi would probably love the best for Ippo to do.
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Yeah, it's not like they're deep sea fishermen, but any job in the ocean has more risks than being an office worker. Which Kumi would probably love the best for Ippo to do.
Well being office worker in Japan is also a pretty dangerous job with the issue of overwork.
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Ippo knows he still likes boxing and wouldnt mind sparring but he left because he didnt want to risk brain damage and help his mom. Same way Date left because he got as far as he could or Take left cause his son got sick. I dont like when a character makes a choice and people spend their time undermining it because they know better. And everytime someone is like "I know Ippo decided to not box anymore after being given proper information but what if he didnt tho" it annoys me. Let him get back to it by himself and support him in the actual choice he made.
The one time Kumi did annoy me was when he wanted to go see Sendo box and she was being a pain in his ass.
I know what mean and usually I would agree. But the problem with Ippo is that the others do know better because he's just so terribly written in terms of getting a clue about anything really. I admit that Miyata and Sendo wanting him back to fight him is just as selfish as that blank piece of wood wanting her to see him stay retired so she can hog Ippo all for himself. But if it's guys like Kitamura, who say this when Ippo's not listening in order to not give him thoughs that might cause a conflict between retirement and return then I find it quite ok actually. And it would also be if someone like that would have a series talk with Ippo and tell him to come to terms with what he really wants.
Yeah, it's not like they're deep sea fishermen, but any job in the ocean has more risks than being an office worker. Which Kumi would probably love the best for Ippo to do.
Well being office worker in Japan is also a pretty dangerous job with the issue of overwork.
As someone who lives in Japan I cannot emphasize enough how right Green vs Red is here.
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I guess you could say anything short of being a Buddhist monk is dangerous work in Japan.
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Unless they have another Warring States period or go back to being isolationist.
Probably.
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While we all complain about Wally coming back, we get to see my favorite character in the series (after Sendo):
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Hajime-No-Ippo-chapter-1359.htmlHoshi also gets a face just like Ippo's.
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Vorg is nice. Also he's the world champ currently if I remember currently. So good training.
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Did Wolly and Volg meet in the manga or is that an off-screen thing? Csn't seem to remember them having met.
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Wally sparred a little bit with Volg before Ippo/Wally fight.
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;4155407']Wally sparred a little bit with Volg before Ippo/Wally fight.
Really? Don't remember this at all. Thanks for refreshing my memory.^^
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I thought this story's settings are in 90's to early 2000's .
Wiki states Ippo's birthday being November 23, 1973 but in this chapter we see One World trade center being finished or almost so it should be past 2010 witch would make Ippo +38 years old.
I know this is funny little nitcpicking since main content of this manga stays same no matter how time passess between chapters. It is interesting to compare how in earlier chapters setting are in early 90's with school clothing, hairstyles (pompadours) and using line phones for calls to having occasional modern smart phones appear here and there. It really changes nothing since these things have very minor effect on main story, while world around keeps updating the characters stays same regardless.Backgrounds and minor details are possibly done also by assistants and there has never been any focus or statements on date of story.
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The manga has been inconsistent when it comes to things that exists or not during the timeline. At first it was consistent since the timeline was only a few years different from when it was drawn. However later when the series has passed +30 years and the timeline isn't that consistent, then such as this would happen.
The mangas current timeline is near the beginning of the 2000's, however we have seen instances of smartphones and lastly the One World trade center. What is more inconsistent is that the Twin Towers was actually shown a bit earlier during the last 100-200 chapters, so it is most likely due to an incorrect reference by Morikawa/his assistants looking at the current Manhattan, instead of the one from the early 2000's.
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It is best now to just judge HnI to be in a "hazy timezone". It will never completely match the current era again.
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Always happy to have a Volg chapter. Although I don't quite get what he's referring to as the "omega".
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Although I don't quite get what he's referring to as the "omega".
Ricardo Martinez. The end point of everyone career.
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And with this Ricardo has finally locked on. It's not the first time he realizes that Ippo is a reocurring theme I know but this time it just feels like it's the beginning of Ippo being more than just an afterthought.
Also are we never going to come back to regular lenght chapters?
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They may have shortened chapters to help deal with workload.
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I dont care about Ricardo vs Ippo really. Ippo has too little interest in being the best for me to care. And I consider his 60+ I dont care for Martinez being super into Ippo either. What I want is Ippo vs Miyata.
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I appreciate the sibblings being clear what they want for each other. Not just secretly wishing in the corner.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Hajime-No-Ippo-chapter-1361.html
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The Mashiba siblings are always fun to watch banter when Ippo's not there. Makes them seem like a real family.
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Mashiba: "Bring me someone who's stronger than me!"
Also Mashiba: "Anyone but him as I hate him the most in this world (because he defeated me and thus is stronger than me)"Flawless logic. Won't blame Morikawa here because that I don't consider terrible writing. People really can be like that.
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He's an overprotective brother. They're all like that.
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Ippo is the perfect mix of get on his nerves because he's strong enough to make him taste dirt while personality wise being too much of a wimp to trust him to protect instead of folding when conflict come up.
If Miyata was dating Kumi they'd probably at least settle on respect.
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If Miyata was dating Kumi they'd probably at least settle on respect.
I feel that Sendo would be much more to his liking than the guy who has nothing on his mind but Ippo.
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I'm pretty sure by this point Miyata is asexual.
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I feel that Sendo would be much more to his liking than the guy who has nothing on his mind but Ippo.
They are like his main 2 groupie constantly fighting for his attention. Sendo being the clingy one and Miyata being the tsundere one.
But Mashiba probably would like Sendo big dick energy. And like Miyata's I'm better than you energy. They both have their version of Alpha dog Mashiba would want to protect his sister. Ippo is just too much of a wimp. I bet you if he punched Mashiba in private he'd instantly be more accepting of him.
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I'm pretty sure by this point Miyata is asexual.
Nah. He has has it bad for Ippo.
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They are like his main 2 groupie constantly fighting for his attention. Sendo being the clingy one and Miyata being the tsundere one.
But Mashiba probably would like Sendo big dick energy. And like Miyata's I'm better than you energy. They both have their version of Alpha dog Mashiba would want to protect his sister. Ippo is just too much of a wimp. I bet you if he punched Mashiba in private he'd instantly be more accepting of him.
While Sendo certainly also is an Ippo groupie he only comes second to Miyata and that with a huge gap for the simple reason that he's the kind of guy to jump at anyone he believes to get a good fight out of. Miyata on the other hand has no motivation other than taking on Ippo.
Nah. He has has it bad for Ippo.
Agreed. If you'd make him a girl who doesn't like boxing you pretty much end up creating another Kumi.