There's been foreshadowing of Yamato since Jaya. The three most prominent honorifics in Japan are -san, -kun, and -chan. Sanji calls Nami "Nami-swan" and Robin "Robin-chwan", but we've been missing a crewmate that Sanji could affectionately refer to with as -kun, but now we will have "Yamato-kyun".
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There's been foreshadowing of Yamato since Jaya. The three most prominent honorifics in Japan are -san, -kun, and -chan. Sanji calls Nami "Nami-swan" and Robin "Robin-chwan", but we've been missing a crewmate that Sanji could affectionately refer to with as -kun, but now we will have "Yamato-kyun".
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https://imgur.com/a/Pywbh1lhttps://imgur.com/a/Pywbh1lSpeaking of which, of course I can't prove Yamato was foreshadowed at Alabasta, because of Ace's Vivre Card, since I'm not sure how finalized Yamato's character was at the time, but then again, no one here can prove that Yamato wasn't in mind at all either, so fair enough.
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Speaking of which, of course I can't prove Yamato was foreshadowed at Alabasta, because of Ace's Vivre Card, since I'm not sure how finalized Yamato's character was at the time, but then again, no one here can prove that Yamato wasn't in mind at all either, so fair enough.
As a serious response, I Kaido clearly has expectations for Yamato. As a specific piece of evidence of this, he referred to Yamato having CoC as "promising". Promising for what?Kaido was introduced as someone looking for a place to die, yet he still has hopes for Yamato. We can also guess that Oda had planned for Kaido to kill Orochi and install his son as shogun in his place since early on. In these two regards I think "the son of Kaido" has probably been planned for a while. Maybe every single detail (inspired by Oden, met Ace, saved by Ushimaru) wasn't totally worked out until relatively recently, but the broad strokes have probably been in mind for a while, and are thus not retcons.
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As a serious response, I Kaido clearly has expectations for Yamato. As a specific piece of evidence of this, he referred to Yamato having CoC as "promising". Promising for what?Kaido was introduced as someone looking for a place to die, yet he still has hopes for Yamato. We can also guess that Oda had planned for Kaido to kill Orochi and install his son as shogun in his place since early on. In these two regards I think "the son of Kaido" has probably been planned for a while. Maybe every single detail (inspired by Oden, met Ace, saved by Ushimaru) wasn't totally worked out until relatively recently, but the broad strokes have probably been in mind for a while, and are thus not retcons.
Kaidou was referenced by Garp at Water 7 and by Moria at Thriller Bark, which I'm sure lends enough to Oda thinking about Kaidou's past family life if nothing else.
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Kaidou was referenced by Garp at Water 7 and by Moria at Thriller Bark, which I'm sure lends enough to Oda thinking about Kaidou's past family life if nothing else.
We also knew that Oden traveled with Roger and died by boiling in Zou, so I'm sure he had planned for a character to find his log book by that point. So I would guess that "Kaido's son who would replace Orochi", "finder of Roger's log book", and "person who gave Ace his Vivre Card" were probably all plot threads in Oda's mind, and he probably put them all together at some point.
Speaking of power balance, though, imagine the power imbalance in the Grand Fleet if Yamato joined. The 7 captains of the Grand Fleet had high difficulty fights against the lower members of the Doflamingo family, compared to Yamato who fought against Kaido, the man Doflamingo himself was terrified of.
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So wait now people are suggesting that Yamato’s role in the story is to have babies with Momo? Who has the mind of a child? And no one’s talking about this?
Nah, I think it will be more along the lines of guard, with her fruit having a guardian theme possibly being a hint, in addition to what Kaidou said about protecting her pieces and being a soldier, defending what she cares about:
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Nah, I think it will be more along the lines of guard, with her fruit having a guardian theme possibly being a hint, in addition to what Kaidou said about protecting her pieces and being a soldier, defending what she cares about:
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I wasn’t suggesting most people are saying that
But there’s one poster here who clearly said Yamato’s role in the story is to stay in Wano and have Momo’s babies
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I voted 'no'; I do think think there's a sizeable chance Yamato's going to join, but the conversation needs to remain interesting and there are still significant reasons I could see Yamato not joining the crew.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I voted 'no'; I do think think there's a sizeable chance Yamato's going to join, but the conversation needs to remain interesting and there are still significant reasons I could see Yamato not joining the crew.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being uncertain
I’m still not 100% sold on the idea, although Yamato literally saying he was gonna sail with Luffy is what convinced me to vote yes
Although I doubt it will play out this way, I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the Marines coming may shake things up and make Yamato stay, again I don’t think it will happen but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being uncertain
I’m still not 100% sold on the idea, although Yamato literally saying he was gonna sail with Luffy is what convinced me to vote yes
Although I doubt it will play out this way, I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the Marines coming may shake things up and make Yamato stay, again I don’t think it will happen but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did
Yes, that's a good point. I would say uncertainty is the most fitting description for where I am at with Yamato right now.
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There's really not much point in going against something just because it makes things more "interesting", to be honest. There's plenty to talk about aside from whether said character will join.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
The World Government in One Piece are the central antagonists. What's happening in the One Piece world began centuries earlier. The treasure has been protected by Joyboy's allies for centuries because they failed to prevent whatever happened in the Voice Century from happening.
The World Gov. is the apparatus created by these dark forces. Of course there are plenty of people within the ranks of the Marines and member nations of the WG who are not evil.
But the World Government are the bad guys of One Piece.
By the way, this same argument applies to Yamato sailing with the Straw Hats. Luffy's going to start a war in a short time. I'm not saying Yamato will remain on Wano - but if she does, it won't be for long. People act like her remaining on Wano means she'll never be free like Oden when we're talking about her staying there for a relatively short time in-universe until the endgame events begin. I'm not saying that it will happen this way, but Wano only needs protecting as long as there's something to protect it from (The World Government).
The World Government are an active force for evil in the world, not a passive one. Which is why it is important Wano remains independent and is also the key reason Teach is not the person Roger is waiting for and isn't the final antagonist of One Piece.
It's funny when oda has already been building up the whole internal conflict between the good and bad side of the WG and yet you only see things in a SH vs WG light. Especially when you see the internal conflicts held up even within the highest echelons of the government and the whole blackbeard-rocks parallels being stuffed into our faces.
But i guess you wouldn't even see it until blackbeard offs shanks. Or is that even not enough to convince you at all? -
Except WG doesn't normally occupy the kingdoms that it includes. It's officially and formally a federation of peers. As long as you don't have to put up with World Noble arrogance, you're kinda fine, on paper at least. The caveat here it's Wano has to join wether it likes it or no, and surely CPs are flocking there since day 1 for shady purposes, but the fact is Momo will have to agree on annexation to actually avoid militar occupation.
If the problem is the party… it just can happen right before the arrival of the warships, or be cut short by it (while still lasting like 3 days instead of an intended 10 for example). It being extremely anticipated gives in fact a great opportunity at shock value for its interruption, and whoever the responsible is going to leave an impact lasting in the upcoming events.
New world's is supposed to be ruthless and unforgiving, time to show it.1028 it says specifically "put Wano under the direct control of the world government". In the Japanese the word used is 支配下 open to be corrected here but my understanding is that the phrase is meant to imply actual control and not just "join the WG as an independent member state". My takeaway from it was it being very undiplomatic and authoritative. (To quote the full sentence in case anyone wants to correct me: 世界政府"非加盟国"ワノ国は政府が直接支配下に置く事になった。。。！)
Hence to me there isn't really a clean way to resolve the Wano storyline with that being its end fate here. It would practically delay the actual final resolution for it towards the finale of the series where it gains actual freedom.
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1028 it says specifically "put Wano under the direct control of the world government". In the Japanese the word used is 支配下 open to be corrected here but my understanding is that the phrase is meant to imply actual control and not just "join the WG as an independent member state". My takeaway from it was it being very undiplomatic and authoritative. (To quote the full sentence in case anyone wants to correct me: 世界政府"非加盟国"ワノ国は政府が直接支配下に置く事になった。。。！)
Hence to me there isn't really a clean way to resolve the Wano storyline with that being its end fate here. It would practically delay the actual final resolution for it towards the finale of the series where it gains actual freedom.
That's why i said that the tricky part here is that, from the WG perspective, Wano will "join" no matter what. They only see the matter in the terms of "removing Kaido/ replace pirate rule" onthe island, they know nothing about Oden's open the borders dream that his followers want to enact, so they would reasonably expect an active resistance from the Wano authorities. But if they arrive and the new shogun actually asks to join the world leaders club… both sides have everything to gain and nothing to lose from a voluntary collaboration actually.
BTW i think mybe we need a dedicated thread to discuss this , it's an interesting topic
Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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All of this talk about Yamato stalling Kaido, yet no one wants to acknowledge that Kaido was simply entertaining it. He went harder against the Scabbards and the Supernova after them.
I've said it once and i'll say it again, the only role how it concerns Pirating we have yet to acquire if there was a store for that type of thing, is Pirate Apprentice. Their strength is a non issue when you consider we have a former Shichibukai as a mere Helmsmen, on experience alone Jinbe should be Vice Captain. In experience sailing as a pirate and going on adventures to different islands, Yamato's is an astounding 0. Strong ass fighter for sure, but they've never left Home.
Oda made a very particular decision to have Yamato look up to Oden, but to fight like Kaido. Someone said it themselves, Yamato had ample time to learn two sword style especially now that we know she did time with some of their best. But instead she adapted the fighting style of her abusive Father.
If Yamato ever does become a pirate without doubt the beginning of their Journey will mirror their Fathers'. Over-powered Pirate Apprentice under a crew of World Order disrupting wackos.
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There's really not much point in going against something just because it makes things more "interesting", to be honest. There's plenty to talk about aside from whether said character will join.
It's funny when oda has already been building up the whole internal conflict between the good and bad side of the WG and yet you only see things in a SH vs WG light. Especially when you see the internal conflicts held up even within the highest echelons of the government and the whole blackbeard-rocks parallels being stuffed into our faces.
But i guess you wouldn't even see it until blackbeard offs shanks. Or is that even not enough to convince you at all?I tried writing a response, but every attempt turned out as rude as yours. Try formulating a response that isn't insulting and then we'll talk. It's amazing that someone who is so far off-base can be so arrogant and condescending.
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All of this talk about Yamato stalling Kaido, yet no one wants to acknowledge that Kaido was simply entertaining it. He went harder against the Scabbards and the Supernova after them.
I've said it once and i'll say it again, the only role how it concerns Pirating we have yet to acquire if there was a store for that type of thing, is Pirate Apprentice. Their strength is a non issue when you consider we have a former Shichibukai as a mere Helmsmen, on experience alone Jinbe should be Vice Captain. In experience sailing as a pirate and going on adventures to different islands, Yamato's is an astounding 0. Strong ass fighter for sure, but they've never left Home.
Oda made a very particular decision to have Yamato look up to Oden, but to fight like Kaido. Someone said it themselves, Yamato had ample time to learn two sword style especially now that we know she did time with some of their best. But instead she adapted the fighting style of her abusive Father.
If Yamato ever does become a pirate without doubt the beginning of their Journey will mirror their Fathers'. Over-powered Pirate Apprentice under a crew of World Order disrupting wackos.
How apt. Mirrors Kaido pretty well.
Like how in this scenario the strawhats can mirror the Roger pirates and the Rocks pirates.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I tried writing a response, but every attempt turned out as rude as yours. Try formulating a response that isn't insulting and then we'll talk. It's amazing that someone who is so far off-base can be so arrogant and condescending.
Really didn't come off as being off base or arrogant and condescending.
Its strange you refused to reply to the content of his post cuz you thought it was rude but replied anyway to name call and still came off rude anyway lol.
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You are right, my post was more rude. I apologize for hastily responding. I won't make an excuse as the onus is on me for not reading more carefully. Also the second line was part f the response I meant to delete / not post.
As for the substance of the argument, there's no question One Piece was left behind for a purpose. What's happening in the One Piece world began centuries earlier. There being good Marines does not change the fact that the Celestial Dragons and Imu already control the world. The World Gov have been ceaselessly trying to prevent anyone from finding One Piece. Roger had an incomplete mission he left to a successor.
Teach is 40 years old. None of these things were left in place to stop him. Teach is simply not the central antagonist of the series. He's Luffy's rival to inherit One Piece. He's the hero's shadow. But he's not the source of the world's imbalance and he's not the person One Piece was left behind to stop. He's not the one Roger is waiting for.
As for Teach killing Shanks, I don't thnk it's going to happen. Of course I had that same thought. The bad guy kills the mentor. But the fact that so many people reach the same conclusion is pretty telling. It's way too obvious and formulaic. I don't think Oda would be so predictable. And it also assumes Shanks is nothing but a mentor archetype without his own role to play in the narrative, which I don't believe to be the case.
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If THAT is your standard of foreshadowing, then Ace showed Luffy a vivre card 20 years ago without mentioning where he got it, and foreshadowed having been to Wano during the War when found out about Oars' hat..
Or, how about how Yamato was in Oden's flashback? Or how Kaidou mentioned his disobedient some like ten chapters before Yamato actually showed up, the pages immediately after they talked about delaying Jinbe's toast.
There's a lot of argument to be made for the idea that we COULDN'T know about Yamato prior to knowing Oden, because none of it works without that grounding.
If you're willing to go with "this character was mentioned five pages before they appeared, in the third chapter" as foreshadowing for Zoro, or Nami who was literally in the first color spread of the first chapter, then Yamato was teased much further in advance of his actual appearance.
If your foreshadowing standard really is as simple as "mentioned at least five pages in advance before appearing" then Yamato certainly qualifies.
The time between when something was foreshadowed and when it comes to light in the story varies. You have shown examples of such. Specifically talking about past crewmates, their allusions are more spread out the longer the series goes. Yamato debut was in chapter 971 as a child in a flashback. It is at this time on chapter 1028. 58 chapters since Yamato's debut. In that timespan, Luffy recruited Zoro, Nami, and Usopp while trying to convince Sanji to join.
I stated that Yamato was not alluded to BEFORE Wano. The examples you provided, minus the vivre card, happened DURING Wano. You agreed with @Vongola_Boss_XI that the vivre card was a retcon so nothing points to Oda dropping hints on Yamato's existence or displaying attributes Luffy likes.
The audience could have been told Kaido had a child without knowing about the Oden shtick. That was Oda's choice not to give out that information. The why is the debate.
@Monquito:There was an Oden in Luffy's favorite crew too:ninja:
You're not even mentioning what was the foreshadowing for Robin here, you jumped straight to "she was introduced".
I been actually thinking that a lot of people have got their minds set on 'next crewmate should be subtly and slowly worked on', that Yamato coming in and making it crystal clear from the very beggining just feels like a disturbance in the force. We now know that there was 10 people total in Oda's earliest sketch of the crew, which is kinda contradictory to Luffy's statement about wishing to recruit 10 people(which was recently addressed by the Magazine and clarified Luffy isn't counting himself on that one), but my point is, can't the author just be allowed to surprise us all readers by just doing what he's doing right now? I would say, heck yeah can!
Also, I really liked the Yamato/Trunks analogy, really strong guy shows up to be the last Z warrior, seems to be very close in strenght to Goku at first, but Vegeta and Gohan surpass him eventualy, cover volume art immediately displays him as if he was part of the crew, great hairstyle, everyone notices how he looks like Bulma from the begginin, great genes from his dad too, apparently knows the whole story but things develop differently, and oh heeey, big bad villain related to inhuman experimentations.
Oda does a lot of DB references here and there, it would seem to me, this is just him paying huge respect to Toriyama(yet again).
Heh, okay. Robin, as well as Hancock, were foreshadowed when Nami wore clothes like theirs. Robin being nice to the Strawhats before Little Garden or when she saved Luffy alluded that she wasn't a bad person. Luffy mentioned in chapter 2 he would only invite Zoro if he was a good person. Being a good person was emphasized by Luffy with Nami, Usopp, and Sanji. Luffy even stated Robin was not a bad person to justify her joining.
Oda, the author, can surprise us a plenty. I just don't think the surprise is Yamato joining the crew.
Yamato does not carry the same weight narratively as Trunks. Trunks came as a savior in that DBZ timeline. Yamato has been waiting on a savior. I would say Jinbe is more like Trunks than Yamato as Jinbe has saved Luffy's life and was the the talk of the thread regarding the M3 and Goku/Vegeta/Gohan comparisons.
@Zik:So 10 years at the earliest in the story.
Yeah, that's not happening.
Not to mention Oda doesn't bother to do romance. He didn't create Yamato just so he could have Kozuki children. That's some weird fanfic and shipping.
Nothing in the story points to that happening right now.
No reason to argue with your beliefs especially when its already been pointed out what you're saying about foreshadowing isn't even correct.
Logkeeper/scribe like Oden was, pirate apprentice, cabin boy. I'm open to anything. See ppl suggest stuff like ship guard or stonemason.
It's w/e to me cuz I know Oda will just make the position after the fact. Like he did with helmsman or like how he revealed poneglyphs were important after the fact.
I don't agree about there being hints for a helmsman or archeologist/poneglyph translator. The strawhats didn't need one despite the erratic grandline weather. They had Nami and that was enough. Knock up streams, Florian triangle, ship coating to go underwater, all didn't nedd the best helmsman. Even after entering the New World we don't even get anything like Franky saying the Sunny is going to need someone better to steer the ship in dangerous situations. Jimbe's role is presented as a total bonus to the crew.
When poneglyphs were first introduced the only importance we knew they had is they held a country's history and they gave the location of the ancient weapons. One Piece isn't about finding that so there were no hints that the crew would need someone like Robin. She showed her importance and relevance to the main plot after she joined in the next arc.
Doesn't mean they'll follow Yamato or join Momo.
The Beast pirates without Kaido are not refugees. Do you know what a refugee is? Refugees don't invade and take over countries, ruin them, and then when beaten ask to serve the new rulers as soldiers. They're pirates. Most of them not brainwashed by Tama will leave, some may quit being pirates, other may join Big Mom, some may try to disguise themselves and stay in Wano.
Only Beast pirates that night get to stay are the ones that have already switched sides after Queen was about to kill all of them.
So what?Why does he have to believe he's the most Oden for the shtick to work?
This doesn't matter.
Son of Kaido
Oni
Potential honorary samurai
Potential explorer and adventurer
Mythical zoan devil fruit user
Really strong fighter
And a bunch of other character traitsYou are the only one suggesting this weird pedophile adjacent pairing though.
Its not so much the laws of reality I'm going by just my natural reaction to the scenario you are suggesting.
I don't think Oda is going to do that at all or anything like it.
This is not the same thing and you should know this.
No its not.
Just sounds like dumb weird fan fix shipping.
You're talking like the minks and pirates will all be gone.
The minks already have a strong connection to the samurai so they're not gonna ditch them.
Yamato on top of that is not going to make a difference.
The
Except what Yamato wants to do and has clearly stated is that he wants to explore and go on adventures like Oden did.
Its not fitting at all for him to just have a family and ignore his dreams.
There is no choice.
Yamato already said he wants to leave with Luffy after learning Momo was alive.
If Oden had never gone adventures and saw the world like Yamato he would definitely leave Momo behind like he did with Roger.
I don't care that much about the poll. Pretty sure I didn't vote in the last one either.
My posts speak for themselves.
What is incorrect about my perspective of foreshadowing?
Weird fanfic and shipping? I mean, sure it's a different take but my reasoning stems from what's been displayed.
Logkeeper/Scribe? Nami, Usopp, and Robin are likely better at this role
Pirate Apprentice? Maybe since Kaido was one. But Yamato is 28, a bit older than previous apprentices. Shanks and Buggy were between 9-14. Marco was 15+. Kaido was 19+.
Cabin/Chore Boy? I don't see Yamato doing these duties like CobyI don't recall anything mentioning/displaying a historian's importance in sailing before Robin. Robin having a $79M bounty as a child alluded to Robin having some importance to the story. The magnitude of her importance grew as she read more Ponegliffs.
The Strawhats definitely could have used a helmsman during Reverse Mountain, Knock-Up Stream, etc… The Merry would have more likely survived longer. They initially survived because of Nami's navigating and Luffy's plot armor luck. People speculated that Jinbe's role would be helmsman during Impel Down to Marineford. A connection was made. Hence a possible hint, at least to avid readers. I could see helmsman but a lifeguard seem to me a better option. But as no one was ever assigned lifeguard before or since, so a helmsman was the option since Jesus Burgess gave it life. Luffy displayed being a terrible helsman while at WCI. Then when the plot decides that Nami's skills nor Luffy's luck was not enough, Jinbe's helming saves the day.
I forgot the Minks. They would help but they as well have been through war. Are the Minks going to stay in Wano forever or go back to Zou? Same with any lingering pirates. Wano will have open its borders but Wano must always be protected to prevent this type of tragedy again. A bigger army helps in that regard.
Yamato, son of Kaido, is not going to make a difference against the WG Fleet outside of Wano? Future Strawhat crewmate Yamato to the ~80% who voted is not capable enough to at least make a difference?? A user of Conqueror's Haki not making a difference does not seem plausible. A tag team of Momonosuke and Yamato could be a strong duo. Yamato could continue teaching Momo more about Momo's dragon powers with a home court advantage as The Guardians Deities of Wano.
You don't care about the poll but care enough to post in this thread numerous times? That's odd as checking yes or no is simpler and quicker task than posting. I get it if you don't know or unsure. If you do believe one way or the other, then it is simple. Do you believe Yamato will join? Yes or No? You can answer since you would be posting.
@Shiebs:So wait now people are suggesting that Yamato’s role in the story is to have babies with Momo? Who has the mind of a child? And no one’s talking about this?
There are observations that make me question the setup between the two.
Both Momonosuke and Yamato are physically 28 years old now. This may be an arbitrary similarity but it seems purposely done.
Kozuki Momonosuke was designed behind the story of Momotaro. Same with Kaido and Yamato being oni.
Their story is intertwined through their fathers.
Yamato claims to be Oden who is Momo's father and Momo shares similar dragon powers of Kaido, Yamato's father.
Both are Devil Fruit users that are linked to guardian deities.Let's be real. Oda is not the most politically correct manga artist. He will push some buttons like his depiction of okama. Or how child Momo in dragon form came out of Yama-o's cleavage. A man-child getting engaged happens in the real world. That man is immature mentally but mature physically. Your reaction stems from the issue Momo literally being a child physically until chapter 1023. Momo has displayed his lecherous ways which is not typically acceptable behavior from an 8 year old. I don't expect this behavior to change because he is physically older. If anything it may be more prominent. Momo will be the Shogun of Wano. I expect Momo as a bachelor to act in a similar way to how Orochi was with women. Momo will be inappropriate be it with Yamato or other biological women.
Mentally it makes more sense for Momo to be with Tama, but that in of itself is another issue. Unless Tama is getting physically aged too if she is willing to sacrifice at least a decade. It's possible but why would she do that? Tama is her proper age in the present timeline while Momo was not. Momo's appearance has been "fixed" to match the present timeline. Momo and Yamato are supposed to be peers.
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Blackbeard wants to replace Im on the empty throne.
Im wants to keep sitting on it.
Luffy will probably want to destroy it.With 3 ancient weapons to be displayed, I cannot see the final war not being a 3 way fight.
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What is incorrect about my perspective of foreshadowing?
The foreshadowing for the other strawhats, the foreshadowing for Yamato. Oda use of foreshadowing in general.
Most importantly, foreshadowing is not the end all be all of the story. You should know that if you're aware of the creations and story decisions of the warlords, supernovas, Law's character arc, Zoro's introduction, Shanks losing his arm, etc.
Weird fanfic and shipping? I mean, sure it's a different take but my reasoning stems from what's been displayed.
I find your interpretation of what has been displayed as weird fanfic and even weirder shipping. You can pretend its justified by what's it in the story but I'd say you're incredibly wrong.
Logkeeper/Scribe? Nami, Usopp, and Robin are likely better at this role
This is a fairly baseless opinion given you don't know how good they would be at it or how good Yamato would be at it.
Regardless, I'm not interested in your take on it.
Pirate Apprentice? Maybe since Kaido was one. But Yamato is 28, a bit older than previous apprentices.
This does not matter.
Shanks and Buggy were between 9-14. Marco was 15+. Kaido was 19+.
Cabin/Chore Boy? I don't see Yamato doing these duties like CobyYou should look up the definition of an apprentice. There aren't age limits on it.
I don't recall anything mentioning/displaying a historian's importance in sailing before Robin.
Cuz there wasn't any. Nor was there any foreshadowing about it.
Robin having a $79M bounty as a child alluded to Robin having some importance to the story.
No it did not. You should also go look up when these things were revealed since you keep focusing on foreshadowing so much.
The magnitude of her importance grew as she read more Ponegliffs.
This only happened after Robin already joined the crew.
The Strawhats definitely could have used a helmsman during Reverse Mountain, Knock-Up Stream, etc… The Merry would have more likely survived longer. They initially survived because of Nami's navigating and Luffy's plot armor luck.
This is not what we're talking about.
This isn't about what they could've used earlier in their journey.
The strawhats managed to sail the majority of their journey without a great helmsman steering the ship.
I forgot the Minks. They would help but they as well have been through war. Are the Minks going to stay in Wano forever or go back to Zou? Same with any lingering pirates. Wano will have open its borders but Wano must always be protected to prevent this type of tragedy again.
Are the world government going to attack Wano forever every day to take control or will they have to go back to dealing with the rest of the world?
This works both ways.
Zou is a moving island. Given Momo can talk to Zunesha he probably could just summon it to him for more mink reinforcements.
A bigger army helps in that regard.
Point being this is not the only solution as you think it is.
Yamato, son of Kaido, is not going to make a difference against the WG Fleet outside of Wano? Future Strawhat crewmate Yamato to the ~80% who voted is not capable enough to at least make a difference?? A user of Conqueror's Haki not making a difference does not seem plausible. A tag team of Momonosuke and Yamato could be a strong duo. Yamato could continue teaching Momo more about Momo's dragon powers with a home court advantage as The Guardians Deities of Wano.
Nope.
Not if we're talking about when the world government starts sending marine admirals and the SSG which they think is powerful enough to get rid of the warlords.
You don't care about the poll but care enough to post in this thread numerous times?
I find thread discussion more meaningful than polls. Its not important to me as it seems to be to you.
Voting or not doesn't really sway me either way.
That's odd as checking yes or no is simpler and quicker task than posting.
I do not care if you think it is odd.
I get it if you don't know or unsure. If you do believe one way or the other, then it is simple. Do you believe Yamato will join? Yes or No? You can answer since you would be posting.
You should go back to the last next crew mate thread and actually read the posts. If you just go by the polls then stick to that.
I think its a foregone conclusion that Yamato will join next.
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I don't think that would be narratively satisfying and it's a bold assumption when we don't know what Uranus is at this point in time. But I would guess the Ancient Weapons are three pieces meant to work together. I don't think 'one gets each' would work.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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The time between when something was foreshadowed and when it comes to light in the story varies.
You either have a standard or you don't. Half the crew got foreshadowed in their introductory arc mere pages before the showed up. And some didn't get teased at all, we just met them on the spot, like Usopp. Yes some characters got teased years in advance like Jinbe and Brook, and that's cool… and most of them didn't.
Just because the series tends to run arcs longer now doesn't mean you can make up completely new criteria for a new character that in no way applied to old ones. "Only characters that met Gaimon count!" means Zoro doesn't count, but Usopp does, but only in the anime. That's a nonsense rule, but if I wanted to discredit Zoro from something I sure could. "Only crewmembers that met Laboon count!" includes Brook, but not Chopper, Robin, Franky or Jinbe. "Their name must only be two syllables!" falls apart once you use Japanese pronunciations and get Fu-Ra-Ki.
"Early characters only needed 4 pages of foreshadowing, but anyone post-Alabasta now needs to be hinted at at least 50 chapters and 4 arcs in advance", or whatever rule you're applying, is a massive double standard.
When you you have to actively ignore 4 out of 9 examples to make your pattern, you have no pattern. A rule needs to be consistent or its not actually rule, but a guideline.
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Yes some characters got teased years in advance like Jinbe and Brook, and that's cool… and most of them didn't.
Brook was teased years in advance? When was that?
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I don't think that would be narratively satisfying and it's a bold assumption when we don't know what Uranus is at this point in time. But I would guess the Ancient Weapons are three pieces meant to work together. I don't think 'one gets each' would work.
Besides the fact that Luffy is already allied with one of them. And we know the other one is a warship. I think Blackbeard should get Pluton. The government already should poses Uranus, which helped them acquire power.
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Brook was teased years in advance? When was that?
They met Laboon and were told the story of the Rumba pirates way early on, and Luffy wanted a musician from he start.
Brook specifically wasn't teased in advance, but the setup for his backstory was, so it hit hard when we finally met him.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I don't think that would be narratively satisfying and it's a bold assumption when we don't know what Uranus is at this point in time. But I would guess the Ancient Weapons are three pieces meant to work together. I don't think 'one gets each' would work.
Chiming in!
It just makes so much sense for me that there are three ancient weapons and three parties hurling towards the end: the WG, the Blackbeard pirates, and the Strawhats. With the Strawhats already having a connection with Poseidon, the other two weapons falling to the other two parties seems like a sensible way to go about it.
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Sorry if it’s out of topic, but regarding the ancient weapons, I don’t know why but I have a speculation that there is the 4th and final ancient weapon: Saturn. When Pluton, Poseidon and Uranus are all activated, the true ultimate weapon of mass destruction, Saturn, will be activated as well.
Sounds a bit too reaching, but the 3 ancient weapons name are based on Sailor Moon’s outer senshi: Sailor Uranus, Sailor Neptune (Poseidon) and Sailor Pluto(Pluton). Each of them has a talisman which when all of three talismans are collected, will awaken the last senshi which is Sailor Saturn; the senshi of destruction and rebirth. I got this speculation since Odacchi pretty much likes to take references on other manga / animated movies.
Again, it’s just a speculation anyway.
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@Devil:
Sounds a bit too reaching, but the 3 ancient weapons name are based on Sailor Moon’s outer senshi: Sailor Uranus, Sailor Neptune (Poseidon) and Sailor Pluto(Pluton).
Or, you know, ancient gods. That predate anime by a fair bit.
Poseidon is god of the sea, after all.
Uranus is the Greek god of the sky, and Pluto is the Underworld.
I suppose Oda could have gone with Caelus, Neptune, and Hades instead but its not quite got the same sound.
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Yeah, and the only other greek/Roman gods that fit are Jupiter (Zeus) and Mars (Aries).
Depending on where you lean either one could be a 4th weapon. One's all about war and the other top god.
I could see Enel coming back to Earth wielding Jupiter.
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Or, you know, ancient gods. That predate anime by a fair bit.
Poseidon is god of the sea, after all.
Uranus is the Greek god of the sky, and Pluto is the Underworld.
I suppose Oda could have gone with Caelus, Neptune, and Hades instead but its not quite got the same sound.
Indeed. But the thing is the big 3 Roman/Greek gods are Jupiter(Zeus), Neptune(Poseidon), and Pluto(Hades). That’s why I have that speculation, because instead of going with Jupiter, Oda decided to go with Uranus. It also kinda fits if there is a 4th ancient weapon, since 4 in Japanese is “death”
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@Zik:
Yeah, and the only other greek/Roman gods that fit are Jupiter (Zeus) and Mars (Aries).
Depending on where you mean either one could be a 4th weapon. One's all about war and the other top god.
I could see Enel coming back to Earth wielding Jupiter.
IMO it could be very interesting if the last / 4th ancient weapon is Venus/Aphrodite, since Venus is the only goddess whose name is used on the planets. Not to mention that she is the goddess of love and beauty, and instead her name becomes the last ancient weapon which incites war.
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@Devil:
Indeed. But the thing is the big 3 Roman/Greek gods are Jupiter(Zeus), Neptune(Poseidon), and Pluto(Hades). That’s why I have that speculation, because instead of going with Jupiter, Oda decided to go with Uranus. It also kinda fits if there is a 4th ancient weapon, since 4 in Japanese is “death”
r.So shouldn't Pluto be the 4th by that logic?
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@Devil:
IMO it could be very interesting if the last / 4th ancient weapon is Venus/Aphrodite, since Venus is the only goddess whose name is used on the planets. Not to mention that she is the goddess of love and beauty, and instead her name becomes the last ancient weapon which incites war.
I mean, Aphrodite is pretty much directly responsible for the Trojan War, mythically speaking… Also, she had a "war goddess" incarnation in the form of Aphrodite Areia.
So shouldn't Pluto be the 4th by that logic?
The Greek god of death would be Thanatos, if I recall.
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So shouldn't Pluto be the 4th by that logic?
Should be, but regarding my post especially with the point that the ancient weapons might be based on Sailor Moon’s outer senshi, Pluto’s power is time and space, while the death and rebirth is Saturn.
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Ancient weapons are named after gods, that much was explicitly stated in manga so I'm sorry but I simply don't see the point in discussing this further. (especially in an unrelated thread)
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Hints and foreshadowing aside , Yamato introduction, focus and development just feels like it's supposed to be amongst the protagonists. A lot of people called this with Jinbe back in Impel Down and Marineford, despite both of those arcs being packed to the brim with foes and allies, Luffy's relationship with Jinbe felt like there was more to come than just saving Ace together.
The moment we saw Jinbe remember Ace asking him to watchout for Luffy if he died seemed like something out of the ordinary at the time because it essentially implied intertwined fate beyond the incidents that were happening, but Jinbe himself acknowledge he didn't know the kid well enough to make a promise like that, yet he grew to respect and care for him as a friend and comrade. Then Amazon Lily happened and all bets were off , at the point the only excuse Oda could find to separate them was Luffy needed training from Rayleigh, but how things were going you could argue had the crew united right away , Jinbe would have followed Luffy. Factoring the un intentional history with Nami's tragic past and it's obvious there was narrative payoff to Jinbe joining the crew aside from making them more diverse.
Yamato has almost the same narrative set up as Jinbe and Robin to certain extent, they were all three either held captive for their beliefs, has knowledge of an impending change in the world, or befriended Ace and were intrigued by stories he told of his ambitious little brother. Yamato just bypasses the baggage Robin and Jinbe in particular came with at their time of travelling or wanting to travel with the crew. There isn't a secret clandestine organization after her, she doesn't have obligations to another Crew through alliance, she's just been waiting for her moment and it's finally here.
It'll definitely feel awkward towards the development of the character if after liberating Wano and finally seeing her dubious Father fall after all this time being abused and oppressed that she doesn't get to leave Wano with Luffy and Company to see what's out there.
Also calling this right now, first time Luffy uses Yamato's name correctly will probably be when he tells them to climb aboard the Sunny.
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okay. Robin, as well as Hancock, were foreshadowed when Nami wore clothes like theirs.
Eh, welp, you're really setting the bar like lowest-low right there.
Could there be a Nami wearing Japanese attires!?? Let's find out!!:ninja:
Also, again, everything else you said about Robin, its stuff that came >after< she was introduced. The one and only "foreshadow"(sic) you've provided is the one I quoted..
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With regards to Luffy not calling Yamato by her actual name right away, didn't it take Luffy all day to refer to Chopper by name, as well knowing Hancock for several days and still calling her the wrong name? Luffy has only known Yamato for less than a day after all. lol
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I found the one and only proper pattern which irrefutably gives away the next Straw Hat crewmate nakama.
It's very simple and obvious. Look at the first prime numbers which are 2-3-5-7-11. If you look at the first three numbers, 2-3-5, and take the corresponding first syllables of the names, you get Zonasa. Googling it leads to an architecture college. If you now take 5-7-11, you get Saroshi. Why do you ask? Because if you google it, you get some German store which sells stuff you need for your house. Perfectly fitting the architecture theme.
Therefore, Shinobu is the next crewmember. There you have it.
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"Say my name, say my name,
When everybody is around you,
Say Yamato,
Stop playing games.Say my name, say my name,
You acting kinda shady,
By giving me a nickname
When will it change?"Hidden:
Try out my first game! All feedback is welcome, enjoy and thanks. Heroine: Kiku
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They met Laboon and were told the story of the Rumba pirates way early on, and Luffy wanted a musician from he start.
Brook specifically wasn't teased in advance, but the setup for his backstory was, so it hit hard when we finally met him.
Don't wanna derail the thread too much, but I think Brook was supposed to be Yorki in the chapter where we see them meeting Crocus. When we look at the concept art of Brook he was originally going to wear the cowboy hat, and I think Oda made up Yorki when he settled down on Brooks current design. So in a way, he did try to specifically tease Brook in advance. At least, when I'm right that Yorki was a last minute addition. :)
For comparison:
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Don't wanna derail the thread too much, but I think Brook was supposed to be Yorki in the chapter where we see them meeting Crocus. When we look at the concept art of Brook he was originally going to wear the cowboy hat, and I think Oda made up Yorki when he settled down on Brooks current design. So in a way, he did try to specifically tease Brook in advance. At least, when I'm right that Yorki was a last minute addition. :)
For comparison:
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https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/3/38/Early_Crew_Complete.pngYeah but Oda changed it so it doesn't count as foreshadowing at all.
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Voted Yes, after voting noone will join in the last poll. I wonder how Oda will take Yamato into this crew. As Oden? As a women? We have some clashable perverts in the crew that are lusting after boobs/panties.
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If Yamato does join the crew, I think Oda will have had it planned for a while, even if some of the details were worked out at the last minute. I like to think there's a chance that we'll see that there were hints that we don't yet understand… like Yamato could be more central to Kaido's backstory/motivation than we expect, or he could be the moon of Toki's prophecy. We just saw a good example of this, with Kid's missing arm having no known significance until we learned that Hawkins had made a decoy out of him. I'd bet that Oda planned the Killer/Hawkins/Kid situation planned since Kid lost his arm.
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If Yamato does join the crew, I think Oda will have had it planned for a while, even if some of the details were worked out at the last minute. I like to think there's a chance that we'll see that there were hints that we don't yet understand… like Yamato could be more central to Kaido's backstory/motivation than we expect, or he could be the moon of Toki's prophecy. We just saw a good example of this, with Kid's missing arm having no known significance until we learned that Hawkins had made a decoy out of him. I'd bet that Oda planned the Killer/Hawkins/Kid situation planned since Kid lost his arm.
2015 was the first mention of the Dawn of the World, which Yamato mentioned in relation to Momo being crucial to it, so perhaps it could be reasoned he had thought of Yamato at least 6 years back in that sense. Maybe Yamato could accomplish something Oden couldn't in regards to not only the Dawn, but also Joy Boy's return.
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2015 was the first mention of the Dawn of the World, which Yamato mentioned in relation to Momo being crucial to it, so perhaps it could be reasoned he had thought of Yamato at least 6 years back in that sense. Maybe Yamato could accomplish something Oden couldn't in regards to not only the Dawn, but also Joy Boy's return.
True. Also, as Ace was dying, he said that his one regret was that he couldn't see Luffy's dream come true. We know that Luffy's dream means a lot to Yamato, so one could imagine that Oda planned on eventually having a character who knew his dream that would join him.
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Not going to pretend I know at what point in the process Yamato became a thing, but Oda started seriously seeding the Wano arc back in Punk Hazard (2012-13) with Law's offer of an alliance to take down Kaidou and the introduction of Momonosuke and Kinemon, so he's been developing the general outline and filling it in for at least that long.
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True. Also, as Ace was dying, he said that his one regret was that he couldn't see Luffy's dream come true. We know that Luffy's dream means a lot to Yamato, so one could imagine that Oda planned on eventually having a character who knew his dream that would join him.
Oh right, Yamato having learned of Luffy’s full dream from Ace may or may not be a follow-up to Ace’s dying words of not being able to see Luffy’s dream at Marineford.
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Oh right, Yamato having learned of Luffy’s full dream from Ace may or may not be a follow-up to Ace’s dying words of not being able to see Luffy’s dream at Marineford.
At the time I thought this was referring to Sabo as the one inheriting Ace's will, but putting these chapters side by side makes it seem like it could be Yamato. Sabo also has his own business with the revolutionaries which is separate (I assume) from seeing Luffy's dream to it's end. -
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At the time I thought this was referring to Sabo as the one inheriting Ace's will, but putting these chapters side by side makes it seem like it could be Yamato. Sabo also has his own business with the revolutionaries which is separate (I assume) from seeing Luffy's dream to it's end.Then again, rather odd how he talks about only having one regret/one thing left undone, as if never getting to see Tama and Yamato ever again wasn't worth regretting about.
