You might have made it but you weren't spamming it literally every single post.
Any point or meaning it might have had at the start lost all context when that other poster did that,(as their signature?) eventually turning it absurd and sad.
You might have made it but you weren't spamming it literally every single post.
Any point or meaning it might have had at the start lost all context when that other poster did that,(as their signature?) eventually turning it absurd and sad.
I need a collage with Yamato and the other Straw Hats just for research. A collage with Luffy would just include him ignoring Yamato's request.
I need a collage with Yamato and the other Straw Hats just for research. A collage with Luffy would just include him ignoring Yamato's request.
Jinbe didn't interact with any Strawhats during the war, it was two years in real time and in-story before he met any of them. That mean he wasn't joining?
Only half the crew met Chopper before he joined. Only Luffy really interacted with Robin as a not-enemy before she joined. Franky was an adversary for Water 7, he didn't really start interacting with the group until Enies Lobby. No one interacted with Brook before he was invited.
Hanging out with the crew in the middle of the arc is not a pre-requisite.
Even then, we've already gotten Yamato being intrigued by Franky, and Sanji pondering who that person is.
Jinbe got to interact with the crew once they were in the vicinity. Oda made Yamato dodge the crew like they were the plague.
I was 1 of few scratching my head at Oda passing up the chance for Yamato and Franky to bro it up. I would still like to see it.
We don't know if the word "nakama" was actually used.
Jinbro wasn't new either.
And its been like 8 years, Oda is bad at calculating his own series length, there's no way he could possibly be talking of a 2022 event, like 8 years ago, and he's never ever mentioned anything about it in all this time, heck he's probably forgotten of that interview already, we keep it alive and fresh because we keep discussing it so much.
Its actually very rare that Oda would ever mention future additions to the crew, how many and where could we expect them to show up. As a matter of a fact, beides that whole mess of a confusion ya'll made out of that interview, we don't have any examples of Oda openly speaking of future crewmates.
I don't think Jimbe not being new would matter. Its not like it said the next new characters would join successively. Its next crew mates. At least that's how I'm taking translation.
Jimbe was asked and accepted during WCI. The next arc was/is Wano.
Oda's bad pacing or time management wouldn't matter either unless you think from the time he said that to now he added an arc instead of subtracted one (or merged it with another like he did Greenbit and Dressrosa).@Robby:
That's because that's a bad translation warped to use for nakama arguments. The fact that its left as raw "nakama" should be proof of that, given that it was an interview in China Times. That word isn't going to stay intact going from Japanese to Chinese to English without someone wishing it to be so.
Well that makes more sense as far as confusion and ppl with agendas.
It was much closer to "the next allies will show up successively." I don't remember the exact phrasing, (If anything can be "exact" after filtering through three languages) but it definitely didn't say "nakama". Once the GF showed up it fit the context perfectly and everyone agreed on that. If it had specifically used Nakama no one would have accepted that as the answer… and this is the first time in almost 8 years I'm seeing THAT version of the quote.
I understand the translation stretching part but as for what it likely is that doesn't make as much sense to me.
The next allies show up every arc. There isn't an arc without allies of some form.
Also on that note… Oda said it EIGHT YEARS ago, and given that the Grand Fleet was not long after, it made perfect sense. Oda's bad about guessing his timeline but he's not THAT bad. He wouldn't throw out a tease like that, that far back.
It being about the grand fleet would still be a bit odd.
Unless the translation for the word successively is also wrong.
Similarly, "A former boss will join" was pretty obviously talking about the Impel Down crew once that happened.
Still holding out for Enel to be the 12th. Oda will bring back the order position title just for him.
Oda's not having the rest of the crew avoid Yamato or vise versa as much as everyone has specific shit on their plate at the moment. Yamato's was get Momo to safety , so how much mingling can she do in those circumstances. And as pointed out by Robby, she's had a few already.
Yup, if Oda goes the retainer route, his hilarious interactions with Shinobu and his lord Momo make more sense than getting goofy with the crew.
Jinbe got to interact with the crew once they were in the vicinity. Oda made Yamato dodge the crew like they were the plague.
I was 1 of few scratching my head at Oda passing up the chance for Yamato and Franky to bro it up. I would still like to see it.
All other crewmates were kinda stuck in places or fights were an interaction would feel forced or senseless anyway.
Like, Franky made sense because Yamato was cornered at the moment, so he needed to be bailed out, but then Yamato had to drop Momo off somewhere while every other Straw Hat was already busy fighting someone else in isolated places, so he would just interfer.
Not that it matters much. Luffy will soon return and they will have more moments, especially with the whole dog, monkey, bird thing happening.
Yup, if Oda goes the retainer route, his hilarious interactions with Shinobu and his lord Momo make more sense than getting goofy with the crew.
Yamato first appearance: "I want to leave Wano with Luffy and travel out to sea and have adventures."
"I want to leave Wano and travel out to sea and have adventures."
"I told Ace my lifelong dream is to leave Wano and travel out to sea and have adventures."
"I am giving up this journal that has been my greatest treasure, I don't need it anymore."
"I have been waiting three years for Luffy, whose dream brought me to tears."
"I want to leave Wano and travel out to sea, explicitly with Luffy."
"I want to leave Wano and travel out to sea and have adventures and I will do that as soon as this is over."
"Well, i guess he's going to stay in Wano and be a retainer".
I do not understand how anyone can still be coming to that conclusion at this point. Like, pre chapter 999 okay I guess, a lot of his interaction had been with Momo up till then, but at this point? After we've seen his conversations with Ace? After the multiple declarations he's made directly to Kaidou?
I really don't know how there's any discussion after 1016.
It's telling that literally the only character defending Yamato to stay in Wano is the main villain.
Like, some posters here just assume Momo, or Kin'emon or whatever want Yamato to stick around, even though nothing so far has hinted this, especially when Momo seems fine with his +5000 soldiers and servants.
In fact, does Momo even care about Yamato more than Luffy does? Does Momo care for Yamato more than he cares for Luffy?
These people have been patiently waiting for an interaction between Carrot and Robin for 216 chapters. but Yamato at 37 chapters ran out of time already?
Yamato first appearance: "I want to leave Wano with Luffy and travel out to sea and have adventures."
"I want to leave Wano and travel out to sea and have adventures."
"I told Ace my lifelong dream is to leave Wano and travel out to sea and have adventures."
"I am giving up this journal that has been my greatest treasure, I don't need it anymore."
"I have been waiting three years for Luffy, whose dream brought me to tears."
"I want to leave Wano and travel out to sea, explicitly with Luffy."
"I want to leave Wano and travel out to sea and have adventures and I will do that as soon as this is over.""Well, i guess he's going to stay in Wano and be a retainer".
I do not understand how anyone can still be coming to that conclusion at this point. Like, pre chapter 999 okay I guess, a lot of his interaction had been with Momo up till then, but at this point? After we've seen his conversations with Ace? After the multiple declarations he's made directly to Kaidou?
I really don't know how there's any discussion after 1016.
If you don't know how there's any discussion, why are you discussing it?
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
If you don't know how there's any discussion, why are you discussing it?
Because people are still thinking this rabbit girl that has been consistently sidelined in this latest arc is somehow going to be a main character.
Carrot has been there since 2015, but has pretty much stopped being relevant since early 2018. Yet, this newest character who has existed for only a year or so needs "way more substance" to be Nakama.
Double standards and so on.
These people have been patiently waiting for an interaction between Carrot and Robin for 216 chapters. but Yamato at 37 chapters ran out of time already?
It's kinda telling something that Yamato only had 37 chapters (37!) appearance so far and become the leading candidate by like 3 miles, that made the oppositions literally grasping at straws…
I'm sure if her flashback is told, her chances would shoot up even more.
Because people are still thinking this rabbit girl that has been consistently sidelined in this latest arc is somehow going to be a main character.
Carrot has been there since 2015, but has pretty much stopped being relevant since early 2018. Yet, this newest character who has existed for only a year or so needs "way more substance" to be Nakama.
Double standards and so on.
The thread exists for people to discuss who they think is going to join. I, for example, think Carrot is going to join. If someone is shocked that there is any conversation on the matter, why bother with a thread intended for the purpose of discussing different possibilities / opinions?
What 'double standards'? Having a different opinion?
It's kinda telling something that Yamato only had 37 chapters (37!) appearance so far and become the leading candidate by like 3 miles, that made the oppositions literally grasping at straws…
I'm sure if her flashback is told, her chances would shoot up even more.
To be honest even if Yamato gets a flashback, a mentor and a dream I still think the Carrot supporters would say there’s not much of a chance
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
If you don't know how there's any discussion, why are you discussing it?
Because the thought process folks are going through is alien to me, and I'm trying to understand it even though it makes zero sense.
The thread exists for people to discuss who they think is going to join. I, for example, think Carrot is going to join. If someone is shocked that there is any conversation on the matter, why bother with a thread intended for the purpose of discussing different possibilities / opinions?
What 'double standards'? Having a different opinion?
What has Carrot done in the last three years to have you still holding onto that? I understood the arguments during Cakeland. I didn't agree with them, and felt they were largely a stretch, but I understood them. I could see where they were coming from in their interpretation, especially when she was basically the only option.
Since getting to Wano she's had like 10 lines of dialogue and been in about that many panels. Over the last THREE YEARS. She was off camera for over a year and has been missing for 10-15 chapters at a time since before getting one or two panels. She's not even making it into the group reaction chapters.
To be honest even if Yamato gets a flashback, a mentor and a dream I still think the Carrot supporters would say there’s not much of a chance
Who are you even talking about? I haven't seen people say Yamato has no chance. I see people who say it's not a foregone conclusion. Huge difference. I have said repeatedly there's a good chance Yamato could join, but that I still see other possibilities and that there are elements missing to make it seem anywhere near certain to me.
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Because the thought process folks are going through is alien to me, and I'm trying to understand it even though it makes zero sense.
What has Carrot done in the last three years to have you still holding onto that? I understood the arguments during Cakeland. I didn't agree with them, and felt they were largely a stretch, but I understood them. I could see where they were coming from in their interpretation, especially when she was basically the only option.
Since getting to Wano she's had like 10 lines of dialogue and been in about that many panels. Over the last THREE YEARS.
If it makes zero sense to you someone can think Carrot is going to join, what's the point of even engaging in the conversation? It sounds like you just want to mock people who don't agree with your correct opinion.
It's kinda telling something that Yamato only had 37 chapters (37!) appearance so far and become the leading candidate by like 3 miles, that made the oppositions literally grasping at straws…
I'm sure if her flashback is told, her chances would shoot up even more.
If I'm not mistaken, he's been in 26 out of 37 chapters.
That's pretty much over 2/3rds of every chapter since introduction, and in an arc filled with tons of characters.
Tbh, it was her appearance and mini flashback in chapter 1000 that sold me on the idea of Yamato joining. Beforehand I saw her as "flavor of the month" candidate, just like Shirahoshi, Monet, Rebecca, Violet, Barto, etc.
Knowing Luffy's true dream is HUGE however you like it.
Jinbe didn't interact with any Strawhats during the war, it was two years in real time and in-story before he met any of them. That mean he wasn't joining?
Only half the crew met Chopper before he joined. Only Luffy really interacted with Robin as a not-enemy before she joined. Franky was an adversary for Water 7, he didn't really start interacting with the group until Enies Lobby. No one interacted with Brook before he was invited.
Hanging out with the crew in the middle of the arc is not a pre-requisite.
Even then, we've already gotten Yamato being intrigued by Franky, and Sanji pondering who that person is.
Going by your own argument you used against Carrot, the strawhats were absent at marineford, but they are here for onigashima and yamato still hasn't interacted with them (and won't either), but who has actually bounced around from strawhat to strawhat? you know who :ninja:
Tbh, it was her appearance and mini flashback in chapter 1000 that sold me on the idea of Yamato joining. Beforehand I saw her as "flavor of the month" candidate, just like Shirahoshi, Monet, Rebecca, Violet, Barto, etc.
Knowing Luffy's true dream is HUGE however you like it.
Sabo also knows Luffy's dream. I think Yamato could join, but that point means nothing to me. It's not like it's a unifying characteristic for members of Luffy's crew. In fact, the only other people who share this knowledge were not members of the Straw Hat Pirates. Just doesn't seem like a very good litmus test. Oda also didn't use the revelation of this knowledge to strengthen Yamato's bond to Luffy. Instead, this information is revealed through exposition (telling us about a bond between Luffy and Yamato rather than showing one developing) as Yamato grows closer to Momo.
I do think it's potentially significant Yamato has already been in the series for nearly 40 chapters without much in the way of meaningful interaction with the crew. It's not a deal breaker because the arc is ongoing and there's still plenty of opportunity, but it's certainly unique among current members of the crew. Jimbei is not a great comparison because he stuck by Luffy's side from the moment the two met until the time skip. So far, Yamato's story is running parallel to the Straw Hats with very few intersections. It built to the emotional crescendo where she declares her intent to sail with Luffy… while the Straw Hats remain oblivious to her existence. It just rings a bit hollow. It's like a person standing on the alter and saying 'I do', while the person they're supposed to be marrying doesn't know they exist. It's very unusual the way Oda has depicted a very one-sided relationship between Yamato and Luffy. That could be a quirk of Yamato's character which is why I'm not at all saying it means she can't join, but because it deviates so significantly from the way you would expect a bond to develop between characters, it makes me question exactly what's happening and where Yamato will end up when all is said and done.
Going by your own argument you used against Carrot, the strawhats were absent at marineford, but they are here for onigashima and yamato still hasn't interacted with them
Everyone is split up and handling their own tasks at the moment. No one in the crew is interacting.
Luffy hasn't interacted with the crew since they slit up either. But Luffy is going to be arriving back on the roof in the next 15 minutes with Yamato (and probably Marco) waiting right there and get time then.
That's not a guess or a prediction, thats what the story has outright stated at this point.
but who has actually bounced around from strawhat to strawhat? you know who :ninja:
Big Mom?
Wait, Sanji. He's interacted with Luffy, Jinbe, Robin, Brook, Chopper and Zoro. He's the only one that's interacted with most of the crew since the split up. Everyone else has mostly been split off into pairs.
Tama was the mastermind behind the attack on Udon and had interactions with Chopper. Currently interacting with Nami and Usopp. Zoro was clearly pissed about the Beast Pirates wasting food. If Oda can provide all of this for Tama, why pass up the chance when Franky was right there?
Then when Yamato makes his Straw Hat declaration to Kaido, Oda adds the mystic DF that is connected to Wano and "if I don't fight for the sake of this country" that followed his statement about what else shackles him. I thought when he got away from Momo, retainer like statements would disappear, but Yamato keeps saying these things.
You are literally arguing the same point as the villain.
Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Franky, and Jinbe all stopped to fight and defend their hometowns before leaving too. Let them have emotional farewells.
Yamato literally said, "I'm going out to sea with Luffy! But only after I've driven you out of Wano, Kaidou!"
Every line of dialogue since is following that, that context is in place. You can't just take dialogue from the following chapter and remove that starting context to make a point.
Yes, Yamato is defending Wano. And as soon as that's done, what does he intend to do…?
"Your life is top priority" (997) and "I would die for you" (994). All of this said for Momo. Then the guardian deity DF bomb drops (1020) after he's already made his big Straw Hat statement.
"Your life is top priority" (997) and "I would die for you" (994). All of this said for Momo. Then the guardian deity DF bomb drops (1020) after he's already made his big Straw Hat statement.
He also says he wants to leave Wano after Kaido is kicked out (1016), because then there's no need to worry about Momo or die for him.
Like, c'mon, Jinbe's priority in Fish-Man Island was to save his home, not join the Straw Hats. Same for Franky, who literally got roped in the whole Pluton conspiracy and was just trying to live his life in peace. Brook also had his shadow-returning priorities before even considering Luffy's recruitment seriously.
Goals evolve based on current events, lol. Of course Yamato has investment in protecting Wano from Kaido, but once Kaido is gone, there's no more concern for that. There's little to no characters stronger than Kaido who are an immediate threat and the country has a functioning military now, with people as strong as Emperor commanders fighting for it. Who's going to challenge Izo, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Ashura Doji, 400 Minks and Tama's Gifters?
Like, staying made sense for Gaimon because he was the only person who could protect his island. It made sense for Vivi as well since she was royalty and Cobra was already old.
With that in mind, there's little reason for an extra retainer, because it's completely unnecessary, especially Yamato who's just a bruiser. Literally the only person who wants Yamato to stay is the antagonist, meaning it's not a valid path to take narrative-speaking.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Who are you even talking about? I haven't seen people say Yamato has no chance. I see people who say it's not a foregone conclusion. Huge difference. I have said repeatedly there's a good chance Yamato could join, but that I still see other possibilities and that there are elements missing to make it seem anywhere near certain to me.
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If it makes zero sense to you someone can think Carrot is going to join, what's the point of even engaging in the conversation? It sounds like you just want to mock people who don't agree with your correct opinion.
Have you wondered if its because we don't want to see wiper/perona/hancock/monet wild theorizing where lots of inane ideas were being thrown around?
Yea sure, you will say that carrot has more going for her. But like what many have pointed out, the things going against her (lack of focys for over 100+ chapters) is already telling and puts her solely in the former. So what's the point of talking about a non relevant candidate, especially when there is literally nothing to talk about her that hasnt been done 10 times over?
"Your life is top priority" (997) and "I would die for you" (994). All of this said for Momo.
And Jinbe said he would die for WHitebeard.
In the middle of a conflict where that was one of the most important people in play, for one of the people that was most important to protecting his home.
Luffy also said he'd risk his life to help Vivi out and die for her if needed.
"I will fight as hard as I possibly can for this cause" is the message being delivered, in a dramatic fashion. NOT "I am eternally your servant and will do anything you say for decades to come."
Then the guardian deity DF bomb drops (1020) after he's already made his big Straw Hat statement.
I guess I'll just repeat myself then.
You are literally arguing the same point as the villain.
Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Franky, and Jinbe all stopped to fight and defend their hometowns before leaving too. Let them have emotional farewells.
Yamato literally said, "I'm going out to sea with Luffy! But only after I've driven you out of Wano, Kaidou!"
Every line of dialogue since is following that, that context is in place. You can't just take dialogue from the following chapter and remove that starting context to make a point.
Yes, Yamato is defending Wano. And as soon as that's done, what does he intend to do…?
Yamato has stated he wants to go with Luffy since his earlier chapters. Luffy ignored that request like it doesn't exist. The only new thing is his Momo protection and Guardian of Wano DF.
Yamato's character literally seems like they were made to join the crew. Oda is so shrewd, everything that's happened since they were mentioned has been so specific and enticing the reader to accept Yamato's desire to beat her Dad and leave with the crew, in all reality she was just introduced and we're all invested. She's the daughter of a Yonko instead of a royal princess who has personal pet, and liberating a country is only a hyphen to what she is about it's only because of her admiration for Oden and the overwhelming desire to live as freely as he did going on adventures living as a Pirate, and perhaps witness the new dawn. Opening Wano's borders and smiting Kaido is only to honor his memory, but she can't pursue her interests just like literally every Nakama before her until she nips this problem in the bud.
One could argue this arc didn't even need Yamato. Everything they did could have been split between Momo and Hiyori had aging up been put on the table sooner. Hell even Carrot. So it begs the question why was she created with a burning desire to sail? Not becoming Kunoichi , not Avenging her fallen comrade, but in particular sail with Luffy and his crew. Oda even double down by having her know his specific dream from Ace. I used to think Ace asking Jinbe to watch out for him came off as too on the nose but he really went for it with Yamato.
Yamato's character literally seems like they were made to join the crew. Oda is so shrewd, everything that's happened since they were mentioned has been so specific and enticing the reader to accept Yamato's desire to beat her Dad and leave with the crew, in all reality she was just introduced and we're all invested. She's the daughter of a Yonko instead of a royal princess who has personal pet, and liberating a country is only a hyphen to what she is about it's only because of her admiration for Oden and the overwhelming desire to live as freely as he did and go adventures. Opening Wano's borders and smiting Kaido is only to honor his memory, but she can't pursue her interests just like literally every Nakama before her until she nips this problem in the bud.
One could argue this arc didn't even need Yamato. Everything they did could have been split between Momo and Hiyori had aging up been put on the table sooner. So it begs the question why was she created with a burning desire to sail? Not becoming Kunoichi , not Avenging her fallen comrade, but in particular sail with Luffy and his crew. Oda even double down by having her know his specific dream from Ace. I used to think Ace asking Jinbe to watch out for him came off as too on the nose but he really went for it with Yamato.
If we're using 'Yamto wasn't needed to make this arc work' as evidence for Yamato joining, how can you also ignore the fact that Carrot's role in Whole Cake Island could have been covered by Pedro? According to half the people in this thread, Carrot's character arc has been centered on avenging a mentor who was still alive at the time she set sail with the Straw Hats.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
If we're using 'Yamto wasn't needed to make this arc work' as evidence for Yamato joining, how can you also ignore the fact that Carrot's role in Whole Cake Island could have been covered by Pedro? According to half the people in this thread, Carrot's character arc has been centered on avenging a mentor who was still alive at the time she set sail with the Straw Hats.
I've acknowledged that plenty of times, but Oda has yet to double down on Carrot's own importance and interest in things like liberating Wano or even the New Dawn for that matter. Maybe she was used as a vehicle like Hancock was to demonstrate just how far the Celestial Dragon's atrocities reached and that a fishman was considered a hero even by certain humans because he liberated them from slavery. It set the stage for sympathizing and understanding Jinbe as a character when before we all probably thought he'd be Arlong on roids like Hody was. But the last character to mention the new impending dawn was Yamato if I'm not mistaken, Carrot has gone purely kill bill for pero.
My point in bringing up Yamato not being needed is that there's plenty of ways we could have arrived to where we are now using the characters I just mentioned. Even Ace being a factor was already introduced through Tama, but he made it personal for Luffy with Yamato. Carrot could have been more substantial contributor to this back half of Wano but since Yamato came on the scene it's been clear as day where Oda's creative spirits lay.
I wonder if Jinbe was always supposed to be part off Luffy's MF war team before they met on Fishman Island or was he added because Oda had them meeting on Fishman Island.
Most assume Yamato was just thought of this arc, but there's a chance that Kaido having a SH kid could have been an idea since pre-timeskip.
I wonder if Jinbe was always supposed to be part off Luffy's MF war team before they met on Fishman Island or was he added because Oda had them meeting on Fishman Island.
Most assume Yamato was just thought of this arc, but there's a chance that Kaido having a SH kid could have been an idea since pre-timeskip.
I've always wanted to know the timeline of how Oda came up with each crew member. We had the plant and fairy dude in that old crew sketch, but at what point did Oda decide to create Robin and Franky instead? Were they created with being Straw Hats in mind or was that decided on later after planning stuff out? Was the idea of Yamato planned long before the designing of Yamato? There is that Rose of Versailles thing possibly influencing the design at least.
All I know is Oden is introduced as a strong Samurai Warrior, amatuer journalist and aspiring sailor. He damn near salvitates at the prospect of leaving his Country behind for adventure until Roger's final journey. He meets various Apprentice Pirates whom he has an influence upon who later become big shots in the present time even though he himself can be considered a novice Pirate despite his strength until he's promoted to Commander.
Before any of this it's revealed Kaido was apart of a wild bunch type crew who the Government tried to erase from history. For some reason we also learn Kaido was merely an apprentice in Rocks despite being one of their main hitters along with Big Mom and Whitebeard. There was little to no reason to add this to the exposition if it wont come into play somehow in the current story. I doubt Marco breaks out old war stories of when he was an overpowered scamp as a youngin.
Pirate Apprentice Yamato incoming, book it.
Yeah, and look what I replied to…
I've never read the two first posts before. In those two, your argument was valid and good, and I even agree with most parts.Then you said:
So your third post has nothing to do with the two previous ones...
You made the third post, completely driving your prior posts into the ground and coming to the weirdest conclusion...
That's what I'm discussing with you, nothing else...
The denial is pretty crazy when you get to the heart of it.
Most, if not all, of the apprentice are younger than most of the crew. Yamato has been in a pirate crew for at least 20 years. He's older than half the crew.
If Yamato joins, he's probably a trainer to keep everyone in shape.
If he becomes a retainer, he's an overprotective dad like he was with Momo for like 20 chapters. He really put that boy in his shirt.
Jinbe didn't interact with any Strawhats during the war, it was two years in real time and in-story before he met any of them. That mean he wasn't joining?
Only half the crew met Chopper before he joined. Only Luffy really interacted with Robin as a not-enemy before she joined. Franky was an adversary for Water 7, he didn't really start interacting with the group until Enies Lobby. No one interacted with Brook before he was invited.
Hanging out with the crew in the middle of the arc is not a pre-requisite.
Even then, we've already gotten Yamato being intrigued by Franky, and Sanji pondering who that person is.
There should be a list of the weird made up fan pre-requisites or rules for becoming a strawhat.
The person has to spend time with the crew before joining is one of the more outlandish.
Sanji spent no significant time with any of the strawhats outside of Luffy. He served three of them, treated Nami like all the other women he thirsts for, ignored the men, and watched Zoro get his ass cut up.
Same with Franky and Robin. Especially Robin as already mentioned.
@Monquito:
These people have been patiently waiting for an interaction between Carrot and Robin for 216 chapters. but Yamato at 37 chapters ran out of time already?
LOL
What overprotective dad left his kid in the midst of enemy rank?
Also, bodyguard/guardian is such a weird position/job on the crew. Why not another combatant? It's not like a swordsman is also a requisite position on a ship, yes?
@Zik:
There should be a list of the weird made up fan pre-requisites or rules for becoming a strawhat.
Most interesting is that "must interact with the entire crew within 30 chapters" was never a requisite anyone ever brought up in the last ten years for any other given character. It was never an issue for Hancock or Monet or whoever, it's a new one invented specifically to omit Yamato.
It doesn't even hold up if you actually look at the past characters, you have to do some real swerves and exceptions for that one.
Most interesting is that "must interact with the entire crew within 30 chapters" was never a requisite anyone ever brought up in the last ten years for any other given character. It was never an issue for Hancock or Monet or whoever, it's a new one invented specifically to omit Yamato.
It doesn't even hold up if you actually look at the past characters, you have to do some real swerves and exceptions for that one.
This is a ridiculous strawman argument and you know it. And you're the person who refuted the possibility of Carrot joining on the basis that Usopp sniped a couple guards.
Saying 'Yamato needs to bond more with the crew before I'll consider it a foregone conclusion' is not the same as 'Yamato hasn't talked to the crew in thirty chapters, therefore can't join.'
What you are saying people said is not what they said.
First he ignored Yamato's request, then he shipped him to Momo duty. I trust Luffy's ability to allocate characters where they need to be. The only time he was a bodyguard was for Momo which is ret… nevermind.
Pirate Apprentice Yamato incoming, book it.
A "Pirate Apprentice" that is capable of going one on one with a Yonko. What a world.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
If we're using 'Yamto wasn't needed to make this arc work' as evidence for Yamato joining, how can you also ignore the fact that Carrot's role in Whole Cake Island could have been covered by Pedro? According to half the people in this thread, Carrot's character arc has been centered on avenging a mentor who was still alive at the time she set sail with the Straw Hats.
The difference would be by the end of WCI Carrot didn't join the crew.
The thing is everything Carrot did in WCI doesn't measure up to what Yamato is currently doing in Wano during the Onigashima raid. As many have mentioned, Yamato is getting a crazy amount of focus and consistent appearances with a direct conflict with the villain, emotional ties with Wano's fallen hero, ties with the protagonist's brother, etc. He's playing a pivotal part in the arc/conflict when has already been brought up could have gone differently without his inclusion but he was included and that seems to be tailor made for being a strawhat pirate.
Meanwhile, during WCI Carrot didn't have much to do with the main plot or the subplot. She wasn't that involved or in the know with what Pedro planned to do. She had no conflict or history with Big Mom or any of her kids cuz we already know she's a bit green and hasn't been anywhere since the reason for her presence is seeking adventure. Its especially weird and disappointing cuz she has emotional ties with Jack attacking Zou but even in Wano nothing was done with that either. Her main role was the next in line to help the crew escape Big Mom's territory. She leaves with the Pedro death and message and that gets turned in to failed revenge and some vague move forward stuff. She played a partial role in WCI and is currently playing a near non existent one as far as Wano. Its really not comparable to Yamato.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
This is a ridiculous strawman argument and you know it.
What past candidates did anyone have this rule for before now?
And you're the person who refuted the possibility of Carrot joining on the basis that Usopp sniped a couple guards.
Yes. REFUTED is the key word there. I didn't make up a criteria or an exception. That was a counter to a weak argument.
My point was never, not once, "Carrot can't join because Usopp sniped guards." My point was "Carrot is failing to showcase lookout skills at the first opportunity she has to do it with the full crew.""
Ya'll keep insisting "She's the lookout." "She's better than Usopp because she can jump high and get to the crow's nest faster." Etc.
And that was completely demolished at the very first opportunity.
It's NOT "Usopp sniped guards."
It's that "Carrot didn't do lookout stuff."
That doesn't take Carrot out of the running. But it really puts a damper on the "best lookout" thing, which has been touted at length as one of her major strengths.
It is never something I would have brought up without someone else first insisting, at length, that she was a great lookout.
The fact that we were stating throughout Cake Island that Usopp was probably better than her at it… and then at the very first opportunity he was? It just proved the counter argument that had already existed for years.
So, if "Carrot will be lookout" is still one of the things people strongly think makes her a candidate, that particular reason needs looking at.
What you are saying people said is not what they said.
You're ignoring the entire context of "Carrot can still do stuff, any day now" being fine as an indefinite thing, while "Yamato hasn't interacted with the crew yet" is being set as a negative.
You have infinite patience for one, but its a current negative for the other? That's where the disconnect is. Ya'll ARE saying "30 chapter time limit to interact with the crew or else its a bad sign." even if you aren't saying it in a single quotable sentence.
If there's no rush, if that's not an actual issue, if that's not a negative, why bring it up at all? "I want to see how he interacts with the crew" is very very different from "He hasn't interacted with the crew yet. Why hasn't Oda taken the opportunity to have him meet anyone? Other strawhats did."""
"Yamato hasn't interacted with the crew yet." is a thing that makes it harder for you to see him joining? That's fair.
"Carrot hasn't done anything for three years" is a thing that makes it harder for me to see her joining.
What past candidates did anyone have this rule for before now?
Yes. REFUTED is the key word there. I didn't make up a criteria or an exception. That was a counter to a weak argument.
My point was never, not once, "Carrot can't join because Usopp sniped guards." My point was "Carrot is failing to showcase lookout skills at the first opportunity she has to do it with the full crew.""
Ya'll keep insisting "She's the lookout." "She's better than Usopp because she can jump high and get to the crow's nest faster." Etc.
And that was completely demolished at the very first opportunity.
It's NOT "Usopp sniped guards."
It's that "Carrot didn't do lookout stuff."That doesn't take Carrot out of the running. But it really puts a damper on the "best lookout" thing, which has been touted at length as one of her major strengths.
It is never something I would have brought up without someone else first insisting, at length, that she was a great lookout.
The fact that we were stating throughout Cake Island that Usopp was probably better than her at it… and then at the very first opportunity he was? It just proved the counter argument that had already existed for years.
So, if "Carrot will be lookout" is still one of the things people strongly think makes her a candidate, that particular reason needs looking at.
You're ignoring the entire context of "Carrot can still do stuff, any day now" being fine as an indefinite thing, while "Yamato hasn't interacted with the crew yet" is being set as a negative.
You have infinite patience for one, but its a current negative for the other? That's where the disconnect is. Ya'll ARE saying "30 chapter time limit to interact with the crew or else its a bad sign." even if you aren't saying it in a single sentence.
If there's no rush, if that's not an actual issue, if that's not a negative, why bring it up at all?
"I want to see how Yamato interacts with Sanji" is one thing. "Yamato hasn't interacted with anyone yet, so..." is another.
So. "Yamato hasn't interacted with the crew yet." is a thing that makes it harder for you to see him joining? That's fair.
"Carrot hasn't done anything for three years" is a thing that makes it harder for me to see her joining.
I'm not 'waiting for Carrot to do something.' I already think the groundwork is there for Carrot to join. I'm not waiting on anything. Her story isn't over and just because it isn't the focus at the moment doesn't mean much at all to me.
You're also ignoring the fact that no one has made up 'limited interactions' as a rule. I never said that Yamato can't join because she hasn't interacted with the crew. I said that it's strange her arc has built to an emotional crescendo where she declares an intent to sail with Luffy before meeting the crew or interacting with Luffy for more than a couple chapters. That's what's unusual. Jimbei didn't meet the crew until Fishman Island. Franky only really bonded with Robin and Usopp before joining. The only positive interaction he had with Luffy before joining was when Luffy trusted him to go get the cuffs off of Robin. I'm not saying it's a rule that a character has to bond with the entire crew. I'm saying Yamato's arc is evolving in an atypical fashion if she's going to join and that's why I think there's still uncertainty where she will end up. I don't know what more you want beyond me saying I think it's possible she will join. I think it's possible. I know you 'can't fathom' someone thinking it's not certain. But I'm not there with Yamato. It's not about not having interactions with the crew. It's about the progress of her character arc in the absence of the crew. Imagine Nami's arc built to a big confrontation with Arlong where she declared her desire to sail with Luffy if she had never met Zoro, Usopp, and Sanji and only met Luffy once and he quickly forgot her name before that moment. Her words would carry less narrative weight because as far as the reader has seen up until that point, the relationship only goes one way.
It's fine for Yamato to bond with the crew later. It's weird that her arc has built to a big emotional climax where she declares her intent to sail with Luffy before actually meeting the crew. That's the point I'm making. And I never said it's a rule. I said it's strange and makes me less certain Yamato will be able to follow through on that desire by the end of the arc. I have to reiterate this multiple times per post because it seems to be ignored no matter how many times I say it - I am not doing what you're doing. You say it's impossible for Carrot to join. I'm not saying it's impossible for Yamato to join. I think it is possible. I'm saying I'm not certain Yamato will join. I still think there are other distinct possibilities. And whatever happens with Yamato doesn't impact Carrot in the slightest. People in this topic keep assuming that not believing 100% that Yamato will join is somehow tied to Carrot bias. It isn't. I don't think the crew is limited to ten, so I have absolutely no problem with Carrot and Yamato both joining. I think Carrot is joining regardless of what happens with Yamato.
My stance on this is entirely consistent. You can go back through my post history in this thread. I never moved any goal posts. I have even said things I think have improved for Yamato from when she was first introduced, but I'm still not sold on her joining because there are still elements I'm waiting to see. The most important one for me is a dream. Crew position is ancillary. Relationships with the crew also aren't that important considering most Straw Hats joined before having significant interaction with most other members. Zoro and Chopper never interacted on Drum yet have a close sibling like bond now. A dream is the most important part of joining the crew to me. If Yamato expresses a more concrete dream or one is revealed through her flashback, my opinion on Yamato joining will change significantly.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Saying 'Yamato needs to bond more with the crew before I'll consider it a foregone conclusion' is not the same as 'Yamato hasn't talked to the crew in thirty chapters, therefore can't join.'''
What you are saying people said is not what they said.
I had to hunt to find it. This started when Cockycent said
I need a collage with Yamato and the other Straw Hats just for research. A collage with Luffy would just include him ignoring Yamato's request.
That is ENTIRELY "Yamato hasn't talked to the crew in thirty chapters, therefore can't join.'
And its been thrown around a lot in previous weeks too.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
This is a ridiculous strawman argument and you know it. And you're the person who refuted the possibility of Carrot joining on the basis that Usopp sniped a couple guards.
Saying 'Yamato needs to bond more with the crew before I'll consider it a foregone conclusion'
This is a made up unnecessary prerequisite. Putting the "foregone conclusion part aside", bonding with the crew before joining is not a thing and now that it is mentioned, yeah it was never a prerequisite for any of the other strawhats or any of the other characters ppl thought had a chance.
@BobLoblaw:
A "Pirate Apprentice" that is capable of going one on one with a Yonko. What a world.
It sounds like Oda's humor.
@Zik:
The difference would be by the end of WCI Carrot didn't join the crew.
The thing is everything Carrot did in WCI doesn't measure up to what Yamato is currently doing in Wano during the Onigashima raid. As many have mentioned, Yamato is getting a crazy amount of focus and consistent appearances with a direct conflict with the villain, emotional ties with Wano's fallen hero, ties with the protagonist's brother, etc. He's playing a pivotal part in the arc/conflict when has already been brought up could have gone differently without his inclusion but he was included and that seems to be tailor made for being a strawhat pirate.
Meanwhile, during WCI Carrot didn't have much to do with the main plot or the subplot. She wasn't that involved or in the know with what Pedro planned to do. She had no conflict or history with Big Mom or any of her kids cuz we already know she's a bit green and hasn't been anywhere since the reason for her presence is seeking adventure. Its especially weird and disappointing cuz she has emotional ties with Jack attacking Zou but even in Wano nothing was done with that either. Her main role was the next in line to help the crew escape Big Mom's territory. She leaves with the Pedro death and message and that gets turned in to failed revenge and some vague move forward stuff. She played a partial role in WCI and is currently playing a near non existent one as far as Wano. Its really not comparable to Yamato.
There's only one new person to join in the NW and while it can't really be considered a "pattern," he didn't join in the arc that he first appeared. And Yamato, while important given his connection with Ace and stated desire to leave, is also the character that links the reader to the struggles on the current island just like every other arc. For Wano, it was Tama. For Onigashima, it's Yamato. As for Carrot, she still has setup for more exposition, so it's still too early to write her off. Jinbe also disappeared from the story until WCI (cover stories not included). Yes, he got the invite first, but he still vanished from the story for years. During that time, people speculated that he would die or lose a limb or some other such nonsense.