We'll probably never get Space Jam.
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part II: Do the Dio Walk!
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Araki basically lives a bizzare adventure
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You need a Gilf to deal with a doctor
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Wrapping things up i see. Quite hastly too.
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If this really is the end then this is incredibly confusing. It really does mean the future we saw that was building up anticiaption actually was nothing at all and all ther other plot points were just dropped. I guess we'll find out next month but I have conflicted feelings.
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Very poor finale to an already not very good arc. There's two more chapters in the volume this chapter will be in so the series will likely end in 2 chapters unless we get some new storyline out of nowhere. Yasuho's narration makes it seem like it's going to end soon (it reminds me of the narration at the end of part 4). It's a shame because I thought the part was pretty good for a decent amount of it but pretty much everything since they first went to the hospital has been mediocre to bad with small bits of cool stuff in it.
Caato's existence was unnecessary too. This is really the only thing she did in the story. And if Jobin is dead that was also a waste of a good character.
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Well that was certainly bizarre.
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I loved this chapter just because we are finally free from the fucking head doctor.
Other than that, liked Cato's deus ex grandma moment, I'm sure Josuke will rescue some Roaka juice for Holy next chapter or something.
I just really disliked Tooru. And if this is it for part 8 (not counting a part 9 that carries over this one's misteries) it ends in a sour note.
But Norisuke and the girls survived a worse wound than a split kidney I think, so Cato and some more story could still come, but either Cato decides to take another cause, another random rock human with an even more broken power shows up, or something even more bizarre happens, like, I dunno, they don't have another epic stand battle but talk it out?
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Jojolion is a disappointment. Especially since it references part 4 which is one of of my favourite and it comes after the fantastic Steel Ball Run. Araki just lost himself in the plot and there is no amount of JoJo randomness that can justify it nor save it.
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Fascinating… that was certainly bizarre, but it’s really interesting what Araki did here. Randomness was the intent. Indeed, alongside calamity comes sudden tragedy and loss.
Was this the theme of Jojolion all along? Creating characters that would always die in the end. The ephemerality of existence and living life to the fullest…?
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Having a character that was destined to die was a running theory in Jojolion, but people expected it to be Josuke, not Cato, if that's what Araki really has done. It fits her character to but she was nowhere near developed enough for it to make a good impact on the reader.
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There is a certain irony in both Jojolion and Diamond is not Crash having a flashback man that will neither get explained nor resolved as a dangling plot thread… if it indeed ends with the next chapter, that is.
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I really wanted to like part 8, put it was pretty clear from the get go that Araki was a bit in out of his depth. He just doesn't do this kind of story, he doesn't do slowly unreveling misteries, foreshadowing, large recurring casts, setups in an arc with payoffs in another.
You can find people arguing with a serious face that Star Platinum stopping time was actually meant from the beginning and its super speed and precision was just a consequence of that, and i can buy it because sure, why not. But nobody can sell to anybody that S&W bubbles were quantum strings since chapter 2, that the Rokakaka was a thing when the wall eyes were biting stands into people, that Tooru was plotting in the dark while Josuke and Norisuke were looking for the architect's rock penis. It's the classic JOjo constant improvvisation, but with a story framed like this felt really jarring this time.There were great moments along the way but i had little hope that the conclusion would be anything more than disappointing, sadly.
I really think this is the weakest jojo part, all things considered.
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It's really everything post-Damo that brings the whole series down. Before that, everything was pretty consistent and the mystery was decent.
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I've been reserving judgment on the series until the end but now that we're about to hit the end, I have to say this is by far the worst Jojo Part to the point I would say it is outright bad. Part 1 was a simple story that accomplished what it had to do and the first Jojo so you had to grade it on a curve and besides it had the amazing charisma of Dio. Part 5 has a lot of weaknesses but it also had some of the best stand battles of the series, all the Passione members (except Fugo) were great and even though Giorno was a weak protagonist, you can at least understand the charisma he had that drew his team together. And I love Part 6 even though that ending is controversial. And I don't think anyone questions the quality of parts 2-4 and especially 7.
There are good things about part 8, I think Yasuho is wonderful, I think it had a strong set up, I think the whole Kira/Josuke backstory and the Domon arc showed what the series could have been at its best potential. And I will always treasure Joubin the mastermind going out like a little bitch to Wonder of U. But there are just too many plot threads dropped, too many potentially interesting characters wasted, none of the Higashikata family (except fucking Joshuu) ended up mattering in the end. Josuke 8 is the worst protagonist of the series making even Giorno look good by comparison. He's just so bland and there is nothing to him. A lot of potentially great characters never ended up doing anything outside their initial one arc intro. Hato, Daiya, Mitsubi, Kaato (literally shows up to die), Kei Nijimura, hell remember when Yukako was in the series? But thank goodness we dedicated a large portion of the endgame to Rai Mamezuku, the plant appraiser. And the kicker to all this is that this series had to go and give Johnny the worst fate a Joestar has ever had and for no real good reason (that also never got a fucking follow up except the fruit is important guys). Even the wonderful action scenes from part 7 where marred with subpar choreography and scene composition and a poor establishment in enemy abilities, something Araki usually excels at.
I don't know what happened with Araki, I guess he burned out, I guess he got tired of the series despite never writing anything that progresses the story, it went on for longer than even Part 7 and yet nothing ever felt was accomplished. Maybe Araki just isn't good at these slowly reveal information as you go along series, he's a man who makes things up on the spot. I think Araki needs to take a long two year sabbatical after this and recharge his batteries and get some fresh inspiration. It's sad how we went from objectively the best Jojo part in the series to the worst but it is what it is.
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Araki simply doesn't have the traits to write an unravel of mysteries kind of story. Damo was really the peak of Jojolion. A 89 yo head doctor was a mistake.
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It really does mean the future we saw that was building up anticiaption actually was nothing at all and all ther other plot points were just dropped.
Gee that sounds familiar.
@TLC:
. And I don't think anyone questions the quality of parts 2-4
Aside from Joseph soloing all the Pillarmen meaning Caesar (who he trained with to take them on) and LisaLisa who is supposed to be a stronger Hamon user than him don't get to do nothing aside from get their asses kicked. Stroheim predictably showing up to give Kars his second wind after Joseph had him dead to rights, LisaLisa revealing she's Joseph's mother…...happening offscreen after chapters of build.
SC Araki turning Polnareff into Iggy's bitch after his debut fight against Abdul (the latter of whom Araki also couldn't draw), killing off Abdul twice, the battle between Dio & Jotaro which because of Dio's broken time powers doesn't hold up that well..........and people only cite because of the steam roller and Koyasu shouting " Kono Dio Da"
DiU problems are Kira being a bland uninteresting villain with a dumb motivation who could've easily had been apart of the earlier villain of the week esque format hell he could've replaced Anjuro and you'd not lose anything, I don't how it was handled in the manga but Josuke's & Joseph's interaction wasn't much (given how he handled the reveal of LisaLisa and Joseph reconciling this isn't surprising), Yukako & Koji winding up together despite Yukako kidnapping him, torturing him, & threatening to kill him, the unexplained weirdness with Mikitaka.
I'll probably have more to call out once I watch the Golden Wind adaptation..............don't know if I'm touching Stone Ocean though.
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We are close enough to release where I could see it.
If so that is a major oof. I guess Araki just got bored.
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Last chapter already went and started tying up all the remaining loose ends quite rushedly, even reprising Yasuho's narration from chap 1, now that i recall it's just the Holly situation that remains to be solved.It was exèpected.
There's still the tiniest glimpse of hope that the legend of Johnny Joestar chapters bits about the mysterious baby washed ashore and the overall involvement of the Corpse pay out in any capacity, but i actually believe those just fall in that 80% of pre-rokakaka Jojolion that we should pretend never happened, just like Araki does.So… part 9 huh?
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Worst part. Worst end villain, we got cheated out of jobin being a threat or kato doing something, instead we got the god damned head doctor.
Say what you want about the issues of early parts: that was 30 years ago, 30 years of experience before this mess, and were in the same line of quality than its part.
Or is it that jojo was never meant to be read without binging?
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I think even with binging this isn't a good part. Everything is fine pretty much up until we learn who Jo2uke is. But after that everything feels not thought out. Like Araki had set-up various mystery boxes but didn't know how to resolve all of them. So he decided to just resolve the main two (the curse and Jo2uke's identity) and then completely scrap all the others.
If David Production's ever gets to cover this part in the anime I hope they take a serious knife to it and cut out all the unneccesary stuff and try and introduce characters like Tooru earlier so it doesn't feel like he comes out of nowhere.
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I knew it. I don't like saying the part is bad because I do think so much of it is really good. And I'm generally a person that considers that a bad ending shouldn't spoil an otherwise good manga. But it's not just the ending here. This final arc just wasn't very good and the Wu arc was already pushing it. And so many of the characters are very badly used, and the word "used" for some characters isn't even applicable. It's less that the ending ruins the rest of the part and more like the ending just solidifies the issues earlier in the part. Maybe these last 2 chapters will manage to be interesting in a vacuum and so not leave such a bad taste in my mouth.
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It is not that the ending ruins everything, but that the setup without payoff of the beginning makes many things worthless. And you can have a few frayed ends, but not too many.
Also, fuck the head doctor.
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I've been hoping for so long that we're going to get the one chapter that makes everything make sense and ties it all together in an unexpected and amazing way. All I got at the end was disappointment.
Absolute worst part by far. There are a few amazing redeeming moments here and there, some great characters who deserved so much better (Yasuho-chan) and I will be the few defenders of Joubin getting jobbed like a little bitch but ultimately it was this big meandering mess with a very poorly planned story and very little payoff to all the amazing potential. This was supposed to be Araki's modern take to part 4 and he just jumped the gun on it instead of going into it with any sort of actual plan. And the worst part is that he spent 10 years on this story with absolutely nothing to show for it. Araki should just take a year or two off and recharge those batteries because I do not want part 9 to be another disappointment.
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I rather hope he throws out some of his typical oneshots to get out of the way those low-potential inspirations he's keeping in the back of his head before settling on something for part 9.
I remember having a bad felling as soon as chapter 1 came out, exactly because the hearthquake setup felt really like something more suited for a oneshot than for a main jojo part.Now i'm feeling really nostalgic of 10 years ago me coming home from university and being completely blown away by the first new jojo chapter ending on the cliffhanger of the protagonist having 4 testicles.
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Chapter 109 actually does feel more like a one shot. It's pretty interesting by itself but it feels like we're just ignoring the story JJL had at this point. I'd be fine with Araki sticking to ~1 volume long series and/or one shots instead of starting a new long part.
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Said chapter
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We really getting some Sleeping Slaves of destiny ending again with this one huh? I can't think what this will result in though that actually answers anything from the main story.
How does the timeline match up though? Any possibility that Fumi is the kid who washed up on the beach? Or maybe whoever this villain is (the kid would have to be 40 years old at this point).
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Chapter 109 was a lot more interesting than anything else in the part. Why couldn't we have just followed the adventures of Old Lady Lucy Steel? As is I feel this development is just going to further taint part 7, I still haven't forgiven Araki for killing Johnny the way he did.
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I really can't stay mad at Araki.
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Araki is a master of set up, is concise payoff that failed this time.
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This key visual for part 6 emerged with this VA list:
- Ermes Costello: Mutsumi Tamura
-Foo Fighters: Mariya Ise
-Emporio Alniño: Atsumi Tanezaki - Weather Report: Yuichiro Umehara
- Narciso Anasui: Daisuke Namikawa
- Jotaro Kujo: Daisuke Ono
- Ermes Costello: Mutsumi Tamura
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Still hoping for Enrico Pucci to have All-Star Show Ayami's voice.
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Great news and pics, can't wait for Part 6.! :)
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I watched all of Golden Wind for the first time in the past 2 weeks and absolutely loved it. I really want to get into Stone Ocean now but I might just wait for the anime, maybe even until it's finished.
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Stone Ocean is coming to Netflix in December. Also the trailer is out.
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So does that mean it will be in Netflix jail and require a fansubber? Also it looks basically the same as part 5, and there's something about the way both are done that just doesn't sit right with me but I'm not sure what it is.
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So I'm gonna ask something to you guys on spoiler tags and I want the answer to be on spoiler tags just for courtesy.
! Is the ending of part 6 good or bad? And how does it affected the overall experience of read Stone Ocean as a whole.
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It's been almost 7 years since i read the part, so don't remember specifics, but as for my thoughts.
! The ending was definitely an interesting place to go. The way the final battle ended I was a bit iffy on, though that may have been due to the translation making it harder to figure out exactly how things had played out. It really didn't change how much I enjoyed everything that came before it, so it's not something that will retroactively kill your enjoyment of what came before. Overall I'd say it's good, or at least at the time I liked it enough
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! It's pretty divisive. Most people agree the climactic fights with the villain and most of the late-stage fights leading up to it are quite good. My own personal gripe is that Jolyne feels a bit underserved once Made in Heaven shows up: Pucci would absolutely have been victorious without her interference but she's also only giving Emporio the best odds she can rather than directly facilitating Pucci's defeat.
! The ending itself is bittersweet. It's strongly implied that Irene and company are entirely different people have been that their memories are different, and knowing that they're happy but the original group is gone is both sweet and sad. Pucci's goal is pretty emblematic of Stone Ocean- so abstract and weird that it can be difficult to understand. Whether that's a deal breaker is entirely up to you. Personally, Stone Ocean is my favorite Part. -
Great trailer, I'm hyped. I hope we'll see more of Jotaro though. I mean that it won't be like part 5
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Also had the opportunity to watch the Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan episodes (inspired by Zarathustra ? at least the title). I enjoyed it, Rohan was my favorite character of part 4.
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Stone Ocean is the only season I've read in full (and I enjoyed), so I might actually watch this.
So I'm gonna ask something to you guys on spoiler tags and I want the answer to be on spoiler tags just for courtesy.
! Is the ending of part 6 good or bad? And how does it affected the overall experience of read Stone Ocean as a whole.
! I thought the ending was . . . odd, but I guess it's bittersweet more than anything. I wasn't horrified or enraged by it, nor was I particularly happy about it either. It's kinda like we got our own Jojo Multiverse or something.
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Considering that at the time Araki wasn't planing on writing Part 7, the final is perfectly adequate and good.
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Considering that at the time Araki wasn't planing on writing Part 7, the final is perfectly adequate and good.
I almost forgot Steel Ball Run wasn't originally part of Jojo. Considering that it's my favourite part of Jojo, I do have to wonder what my impression of it would have been if Araki had gone that route
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The finale is almost perfect as the part 6 finale, powerful but not as great as a series finale.
All through part 6 back in the days I kept asking "how are they gonna come on top at the end of all this?" Since Jolyne's situation kept getting worse and worse and she was always forced to worsen it, adding to the original injustice in a way it seemed unrecoverable. So the ending is surely bittersweet but felt as cathartic as part 3 or 4.But while Irene closes perfectly Jolyne's own bizarre misadventures, as a whole she raises more questions than she answers. Like,
! what happened to all the other people featured in every other part that are still around, and to their memories? And so on and so forth.
Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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Like,
! what happened to all the other people featured in every other part that are still around, and to their memories? And so on and so forth.
I think that
! When Emporio killed Pucci, Made in Heaven was still closing to perfect the destiny loop, so when he died everyone not killed by MiH should've returned to normal with their memories intact, like Emporio and I guess Rohan since he kept pace with MiH.
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I think that
! When Emporio killed Pucci, Made in Heaven was still closing to perfect the destiny loop, so when he died everyone not killed by MiH should've returned to normal with their memories intact, like Emporio and I guess Rohan since he kept pace with MiH.
! Yes but wouldn't, for example, Josuke notice that his nephew is now another person?
Unless I'm spectacularly wrong, the final reset made so that Dio never existed, thus allowing Irene's serene life. Which was great and all for the Joestars and surely be the most definitive victory, but that's confusing as to what the living JoJo's and JoBros know. Especially Giorno.So I get it, but as I widen the scope beyond Stone Ocean it ultimately bothers me.
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! I imagine the entire universe adjusted to make it make sense. Jotaro and Irene have always been how they are in the new universe (though it's not really a new universe I guess, but the universe has adjusted to what is new). Emporio is the only exception.
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! what happened to all the other people featured in every other part that are still around, and to their memories? And so on and so forth.
! I was pretty sure that everyone from the previous universe died and were replaced by similar lookalikes.
