Is the saying "Beggers can't be Choosers" appropriate in this scenario?
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Which is ridiculous and only reduces the trust in the vaccines even more. People here already didn't show up to their vaccination appointments because they want the better Moderna or Biontech instead of the AstraZeneca one. Now you can pretty much throw them all away
Throw them to us, we need it.
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Which is ridiculous and only reduces the trust in the vaccines even more. People here already didn't show up to their vaccination appointments because they want the better Moderna or Biontech instead of the AstraZeneca one. Now you can pretty much throw them all away
Yeah that's what I'm waiting for. 95% efficacy or bust for me. Not settling for 94%, 82% or 72%.
I've been a hermit now since 03/07/2020. I can afford to wait a little longer for the best possible protection with the added benefit of seeing what kind of side effects, if any, are afflicting the people who have already been vaccinated with the various vaccines.
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sigh I'm getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine on Thursday, which is supposedly not as effective as Pfizner or Moderna, but better at protecting against hospitalizations and death (and apparently the South African strain). I can deal with getting the flu, so if this keeps me out of the hospital, I'm cool. As someone who worked in essentials retail, I need it. NOW.
However, this happening in both Europe and America between three options is bringing equity into the equation:
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Yeah that's what I'm waiting for. 95% efficacy or bust for me. Not settling for 94%, 82% or 72%.
I've been a hermit now since 03/07/2020. I can afford to wait a little longer for the best possible protection with the added benefit of seeing what kind of side effects, if any, are afflicting the people who have already been vaccinated with the various vaccines.
Do you even understand what those numbers mean? Don't know how the vaccination process works at your place but as long as you don't hog vaccination appointments and don't show up because only the best is good enough for you, then feel free to wait it out
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Do you even understand what those numbers mean? Don't know how the vaccination process works at your place but as long as you don't hog vaccination appointments and don't show up because only the best is good enough for you, then feel free to wait it out
I understand that 95% is a larger number than the others, and that Moderna has had the least side-effect/poissible side-effects of the viable vaccines. Certainly not hogging appointments. Gonna continue my isolated lifestyle until I know for certain the Moderna vaccine is available to me. I feel I’d be doing myself a disservice at this point if I settled for anything less. Nearly zero human contact with anyone but my mother for a year has been tough.
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The numbers simply are the percentage of people in the group study that upon vaccination did contract medical care require cases of covid. That doesn't mean your free of contracting it in 95 out 100 changes of contagion.
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I understand that you want what's best for you, it's only natural after all. What I personally find aggravating is the entitlement you demonstrate, especially when your understanding of it all doesn't go beyond "bigger number better" with no interest to learn more about it. (Reminds me of A&W's Third-Pound burger which flopped because McDonald's same-priced Quarter Pounder had the bigger number)
If you've lived like a hermit for the past year then that's far better than people who don't give a crap about any countermeasures one can easily take. Thanks for sacrificing your social life to protect vulnerable people. But honestly, you did much more than was necessary. It was your own personal choice to go above and beyond and it never meant that you would get the very best protection as a reward. As KageKageKing said, beggars can't be choosers and when the scientists and experts have deemed the other vaccines safe enough for widespread use, with trials after trials and by now millions of vaccinated people around, there really shouldn't be a need to wait longer just because it isn't good enough for you.But again, no one can force you to get a vaccine and you're not directly harming other people, so I can't really complain aside from your personal attitude.
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People I know are slowly getting their vaccinations. My stepfather got AstraZeneca yesterday and is feeling under the weather today. As far as he heard, it's common to have some mild symptoms in the two days following the jab. My colleague's mother got Pfizer today and she got the Russian Sputnik.
Despite all this, vaccinations and the whole situation here in Hungary seems to be escalating in the wrong direction. Reports of deaths and new hospitalizations are reaching all time highs day by day, and the government is laughably inept at keeping its promises concerning the mass vaccinations. About a week ago, stricter restrictions were put in place that, quite expectedly, were met with resistance and people trying to cheat the system and skirt the rules. Like a certain clothing shop staying open because it sold "medical devices", as in special shoes or something like that.
What weren't further restricted were the supermarkets, marketplaces and other places that sold foodstuffs. What happened literally one day before the new restrictions set in? People rushed to the supermarkets in the middle of the day, just like last year, because I guess they expected some kind of a doomsday scenario.
You know, I'm doing quite alright, working from home, being lucky enough to be able to do so, while having my two cats to keep me company, having a car, but I'm starting to really get tired of all this. And stupid people sure don't make it easier. It's bad enough having this virus around for one year, it's positively infuriating seeing other people straight up ignoring the safety guidelines and taunting the epidemic. I'm still mad as hell after having heard that my aunt takes her daughter to beauty pageants. Her 7-or-so-year-old daughter. Beauty pageants. In the middle of a fucking pandemic. Every layer of this is god-awful from start to finish.
This is peak Hungarian mentality.
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The beauty pageants are bad enough without a pandemic, at least the American-styled ones. Not sure if they're the same where you live.
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My stepfather got AstraZeneca yesterday and is feeling under the weather today. My colleague's mother got Pfizer today and she got the Russian Sputnik.
Was it first-come-first-serve or how did your officials decide who gets what?
Because the coming weeks / months will be interesting in this regard. Right now we don't have enough vaccines to be choosey, but I forsee a lot of bad blood if people in the exact same priority group get vaccines with varying potency.
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The beauty pageants are bad enough without a pandemic, at least the American-styled ones. Not sure if they're the same where you live.
They parade around 7-year-olds. I have no idea what they're like, but by that fact alone I'm fairly certain it's awful.
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Was it first-come-first-serve or how did your officials decide who gets what?
Because the coming weeks / months will be interesting in this regard. Right now we don't have enough vaccines to be choosey, but I forsee a lot of bad blood if people in the exact same priority group get vaccines with varying potency.
It's anything but properly arranged. The information either lags behind, or is straight up doctored. We don't get to choose and there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason as to the distribution of the vaccines. My stepfather could've gotten Sinopharm, but they literally told him the day before, and he couldn't change his shift for that day.
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The numbers simply are the percentage of people in the group study that upon vaccination did contract medical care require cases of covid. That doesn't mean your free of contracting it in 95 out 100 changes of contagion.
And stop bitching about which vaccine you want to take, when yours truly , will most certainly only receive his next year.Bitching about what exactly? I'm chilling and patiently waiting my turn for the brand I prefer. Not complaining about it, just stated my reasons for opting to wait. I'm sorry you have to wait another year, but there's no need to be so aggressive. Not everyone chooses to deal with the pandemic the same way. As someone who is immunocompromised and whose mother is in the "high risk" category, I have to do what I feel is best for us.
I understand that you want what's best for you, it's only natural after all. What I personally find aggravating is the entitlement you demonstrate, especially when your understanding of it all doesn't go beyond "bigger number better" with no interest to learn more about it. (Reminds me of A&W's Third-Pound burger which flopped because McDonald's same-priced Quarter Pounder had the bigger number)
If you've lived like a hermit for the past year then that's far better than people who don't give a crap about any countermeasures one can easily take. Thanks for sacrificing your social life to protect vulnerable people. But honestly, you did much more than was necessary. It was your own personal choice to go above and beyond and it never meant that you would get the very best protection as a reward. As KageKageKing said, beggars can't be choosers and when the scientists and experts have deemed the other vaccines safe enough for widespread use, with trials after trials and by now millions of vaccinated people around, there really shouldn't be a need to wait longer just because it isn't good enough for you.But again, no one can force you to get a vaccine and you're not directly harming other people, so I can't really complain aside from your personal attitude.
Entitlement?? You're casting a lot of assumptions about me here. I never claimed to be entitled to anything.
Again, I don't expect a "reward" for how I opted to confront the threat of the virus. All I've said that is that I (not you, my government, society) owe it to myself to do what I believe is best for me. What's wrong with that if I'm not hurting anybody or putting anyone else at risk?
What attitude? You're upset that I'm choosing to wait for my preferred vaccine? I'm sure they will all be readily available to whoever wants to be vaccinated within the next 2-3 months and that folks will have a choice. If anything, my choosing to stand aside and continue to isolate is a benefit since someone else, perhaps someone who feels they need to be vaccinated now and isn't as picky will be able to receive the vaccine sooner.
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Entitlement?? You're casting a lot of assumptions about me here. I never claimed to be entitled to anything.
Am I though? The fault can’t be entirely on my side if other people get similar vibes from what you said. Also entitlement isn’t something you have to claim, it can also shine through other stuff you say, e.g.
95% efficacy or bust for me. Not settling for 94%, 82% or 72%.
I feel I’d be doing myself a disservice at this point if I settled for anything less. Nearly zero human contact with anyone but my mother for a year has been tough.
“Not good enough”, “I don’t have to settle”, “Not getting the best is a disservice to myself after what I’ve been through” is entitlement 101.
Again, I don't expect a "reward" for how I opted to confront the threat of the virus. All I've said that is that I (not you, my government, society) owe it to myself to do what I believe is best for me. What's wrong with that if I'm not hurting anybody or putting anyone else at risk?
What attitude? You're upset that I'm choosing to wait for my preferred vaccine? I'm sure they will all be readily available to whoever wants to be vaccinated within the next 2-3 months and that folks will have a choice. If anything, my choosing to stand aside and continue to isolate is a benefit since someone else, perhaps someone who feels they need to be vaccinated now and isn't as picky will be able to receive the vaccine sooner.
Did you even read my whole post or only the things that offended you? I agreed that wanting the best for yourself is natural, that by waiting you’re not hurting anyone so I can’t complain and even thanking you for your sacrifice by choosing to mostly stay at home.
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Am I though? The fault can’t be entirely on my side if other people get similar vibes from what you said. Also entitlement isn’t something you have to claim, it can also shine through other stuff you say, e.g.
“Not good enough”, “I don’t have to settle”, “Not getting the best is a disservice to myself after what I’ve been through” is entitlement 101.
Yes, you are. I can’t help it if you or anyone else misinterpret or take offense to an innocuous statement.
The definition of entitlement means you feel like have a right to something.
I prefer the PS5 over the Xbox Series X and opted to wait for that too instead of buying the Xbox when I could have. Does that mean I feel entitled to own a PS5? Of course not. I still had to wait the same as everyone else, and did so patiently. Never once did I complain about not being able to secure it sooner, just as I’m not complaining that I can’t pick my preferred vaccine yet.
Did you even read my whole post or only the things that offended you? I agreed that wanting e best for yourself is natural, that by waiting you’re not hurting anyone so I can’t complain and even thanking you for your sacrifice by choosing to mostly stay at home.
Yes, I read your entire post. I replied to the parts that required correction.
I’m not offended though? You’re the one who started this silly conversation and became hostile for no reason.
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I've got nothing left to say to you that would be productive so I'll just leave it at that. Just next time maybe take a moment to reflect if something you said added to misunderstandings instead of pushing all the blame onto others.
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Got my shot!
. . . the first one anyway. Vaccine ended up being Pfizer, as the nurse said they use whichever they can get, be it Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J. I'm not picky however, only now I have to go back in 21 days.
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I've got nothing left to say to you that would be productive so I'll just leave it at that. Just next time maybe take a moment to reflect if something you said added to misunderstandings instead of pushing all the blame onto others.
If in the future I say something innocuous and it’s met with hostility. I will push back the way I have here. Maybe instead you should reflect on confronting people for no reason.
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Got my shot!
. . . the first one anyway. Vaccine ended up being Pfizer, as the nurse said they use whichever they can get, be it Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J. I'm not picky however, only now I have to go back in 21 days.
Congrats!!! It sounded before like you weren’t thrilled about the J&J, so I’m glad you got the Pfizer! Hope the shot(s) give you some peace of mind.
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32.777 deaths in 18 days. Only 13 more to end the the month.
You take the vaccine that's available to you. The fact that we have 5-7 different vaccines develop in a spam of less than a year is already unprecedented. The efficient level of the vaccine, just mean that, for those with lower numbers we need a higher percentage of the population to be vaccinated to stop the contagion.You have completely right to worry about yourself and your loved ones, and take the necessary actions of protection, but by saying you want vaccine X instead on Y and Z you sound like a spoiled brat complaining about the ice cream flavour his parents bought him - with all due level of difference taken into account.
You're not harming anyone by not vaccinating now and staying at home, but you are not helping yourself by being picky about it.But by your "I (not you, gov't, or society) own to myself what I believe is best for myself." is exactly the individual needs trumping over the societal needs that got us neck deep in shit with the pandemic.
"I don't want a mask, I think social distancing is bull shit, a party now after a couple months of isolation won't hurt no one, the bars reopened so I can go clubbing now again, etc" are the types of individualistic thinking the further exacerbated the pandemic, i.e the post Thanksgiving in US and post Christmas-New Years in Brazil.
The needs of the society are ALWAYS above the needs of the individual, because we, duh, live in a society and that's the fabric of the social contract.
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Congrats!!! It sounded before like you weren’t thrilled about the J&J, so I’m glad you got the Pfizer! Hope the shot(s) give you some peace of mind.
I wasn't sighing so much about J&J, but about all the arguing about which vaccine is better.
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32.777 deaths in 18 days. Only 13 more to end the the month.
You take the vaccine that's available to you. The fact that we have 5-7 different vaccines develop in a spam of less than a year is already unprecedented. The efficient level of the vaccine, just mean that, for those with lower numbers we need a higher percentage of the population to be vaccinated to stop the contagion.You have completely right to worry about yourself and your loved ones, and take the necessary actions of protection, but by saying you want vaccine X instead on Y and Z you sound like a spoiled brat complaining about the ice cream flavour his parents bought him - with all due level of difference taken into account.
You're not harming anyone by not vaccinating now and staying at home, but you are not helping yourself by being picky about it.But by your "I (not you, gov't, or society) own to myself what I believe is best for myself." is exactly the individual needs trumping over the societal needs that got us neck deep in shit with the pandemic.
"I don't want a mask, I think social distancing is bull shit, a party now after a couple months of isolation won't hurt no one, the bars reopened so I can go clubbing now again, etc" are the types of individualistic thinking the further exacerbated the pandemic, i.e the post Thanksgiving in US and post Christmas-New Years in Brazil.
The needs of the society are ALWAYS above the needs of the individual, because we, duh, live in a society and that's the fabric of the social contract.
And people revolt we the needs of few individuals are above the rest (as in minorities vs US institucional racism).Pardon me? I'm not complaining about any of the vaccines. I'm simply waiting patiently for the one I want while continuing isolation. I don't see how this makes me a "spoiled brat".
Society does not "need" me to vaccinate though. I'm surviving off my of savings and Twitch revenue and have everything I need delivered to me, where I disinfect before bringing into my home. The only time I leave the house is to deliver food to my mom, who is living the same way I am right now. So I fail to see how waiting and continuing to be careful is of the same ilk as not wearing a mask, not social distancing and throwing pandemic parties. I adhere to the CDC guidelines and take extra precautions on top of them. I'm doing my part to stop the spread regardless of whether or not I'm vaccinated now or in 2 months when I am able to choose.
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I wasn't sighing so much about J&J, but about all the arguing about which vaccine is better.
Ahh I see. My mistake.
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The AstraZeneca vaccine was cleared by the EU so vaccinations can continue from today on. We’ll have to see how much damage this emergency stop has done to the public’s trust
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I fear it will be immense. In my circle of friends, there are people who normally think rationally but now have doubts in the back of their minds.
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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mar-a-lago-2651148194/
Only the best.
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It's Trump's place and it's in Florida. Of course.
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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mar-a-lago-2651148194/
Only the best.
Wait…wasn't illegal for him to life there since he signed that the place was full business for tax cuts?
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Wait…wasn't illegal for him to life there since he signed that the place was full business for tax cuts?
it is..it's just that he can't stay there for long.
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Wait…wasn't illegal for him to life there since he signed that the place was full business for tax cuts?
If he’s an employee he can live there as long as he wants.
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Technically no. He officially signed the place from a residence to a private club, and nobody is supposed to stay in the guest suites for more than 21 days. The legal issue right now is whether or not he can stay as he's not a member, but the owner.
And employees don't live there.
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Technically no. He officially signed the place from a residence to a private club, and nobody is supposed to stay in the guest suites for more than 21 days. The legal issue right now is whether or not he can stay as he's not a member, but the owner.
And employees don't live there.
https://people.com/politics/palm-beach-hears-arguments-trump-living-at-mar-a-lago/
It makes sense to me.
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40.667 deaths in 22 days and the president still says he hasn't been convinced that his action were wrong. That Chloroquine, Hydroxichloroquine, Ivermectin and Azythromycin (Covid Kit) should be used to treat covid, against social distancing, masks and lockdown because it will hurt the economy (one of the only electoral promises he tries to keep up) and starve the poor but still refusing to provide adequate Gov't stimulus payments for them, was against the vaccine that has been mostly used in Brazil and delayed to the last minute the negotiations to adquire those making the vaccination program a virtual nightmare for a country that has been a FUCKIGN WORLD EXEMPLE in how to run public vaccination campings.
Here's a thread:
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And here's another, go and watch the CNN's coverage at 19) on the thread.
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3.158 deaths in the last 24h.
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Dude, when are you guys going to lynch Bolsanaro already?
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Maybe the reason we didn't lynch Trump. His followers are too crazy?
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Assassination attempts are rarely successful and often lead to more extremism.
You never want to make a martyr out of someone dangerous.
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I mean it's not our fault that the guy that stabbed him didn't finished the job. Although it was probably a move to both gain sympathy points and to avoid debates.
And as Satsuki said, at least in Rio city, most of the paramilitary groups commanding the favelas are connected to his clan.And even note of reprisal after note for the armed forces on the behave of the reserve army personal acting in the gov't - not our third Health Minister he was on active duty - the higher ups are still a bunch of authoritarian self masturbatory assholes than miss the times the could shamelessly embezzle the country.
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Assassination attempts are rarely successful and often lead to more extremism.
You never want to make a martyr out of someone dangerous.
Very much so. As much as I hate Trump I never wanted him to die, because then he would only become a martyr to his people and give them even more of an "icon" to worship.
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I'm hoping with Trump he goes more into obscurity as time goes on, with only select people even thinking of him. How much he poisoned the well with the Covid stuff is just ridiculous. One of the craziest things lately I've seen with his supporters is how they are mixing their vendetta with Dr. Fauci, a nonpolitical figure, with their disdain on those few Dr. Seuss books being no longer published. The fact that I can count more times than on my hands the "memes" of people claiming they trust Dr. Seuss more than Dr. Fauci is infuriating.
On a different note, here in Texas the mask mandate has been lifted for a few weeks now. Thankfully I live in Harris County, which is pretty blue so most people seem to still follow the guidelines. However, there are still times I will be shopping and there are some people not wearing one, and there has been at least one person strutting around looking proud of that fact. Yes, having to wear one sucks, but if we could all just follow this a little longer things could be so much better. Many people who honor the sacrifice soldiers make for their county can't do even the minimal inconveniences to help out their country.
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I'm hoping with Trump he goes more into obscurity as time goes on, with only select people even thinking of him. How much he poisoned the well with the Covid stuff is just ridiculous. One of the craziest things lately I've seen with his supporters is how they are mixing their vendetta with Dr. Fauci, a nonpolitical figure, with their disdain on those few Dr. Seuss books being no longer published. The fact that I can count more times than on my hands the "memes" of people claiming they trust Dr. Seuss more than Dr. Fauci is infuriating.
The sad irony being that as a Trump administration figure Dr Fauci was forced to (or chose to) lie and defend Trump to keep his job.
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@Johnny:
Dude, when are you guys going to lynch Bolsanaro already?
Same reason I don’t plan to lynch Trump or Biden. Normal people aren’t barbarians is probably why.
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The sad irony being that as a Trump administration figure Dr Fauci was forced to (or chose to) lie and defend Trump to keep his job.
I don’t recall that happening. Rather, I recall them repeatedly butting heads and providing conflicting information to the public, with Trump tweeting about how awful Fauci was while preventing him from making appearances on several news networks.
Can you provide an example or two of Fauci defending Trump in an effort to keep his job?
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Same reason I don’t plan to lynch Trump or Biden. Normal people aren’t barbarians is probably why.
Hey, barbarians were (and are) people, too.
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3,6K deaths in 24h.
On the bright side Butantan asked to start a clinical trial for our own vaccine, and them the Ministry of Science came hours later to say they also asked our CDC fo start clinical trial with their own.
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I don’t recall that happening. Rather, I recall them repeatedly butting heads and providing conflicting information to the public, with Trump tweeting about how awful Fauci was while preventing him from making appearances on several news networks.
Can you provide an example or two of Fauci defending Trump in an effort to keep his job?
Fauci's response to the release of the Woodward tapes is about as clear as it gets.
Ironically Trump immediately made him look stupid by doubling down on the truth, albeit in a deceitful misleading way:
He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks."
What changed not long before December 2020 that would make "the country" finally ready to hear what he really thinks?
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The Idles of March toll: 66.868 deaths, the sum of the second and third deadliest months is short 3472 form this months total.
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Good work being done:getlost:
https://www.rawstory.com/15million-doses-vaccines-destroyed/
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The father of one of my best friends is in the hospital due to Covid pneumonia. He's been on a respirator. And things are, unfortunately, looking grim.
The only silver lining is that he's in a less crowded hospital and they are at least capable of treating him to the best of their abilities.In the meantime, I've received an e-mail, and I might be able to get Astra Zeneca in two days. At least the first dose of it. I'll gladly take it, although I might have to take off one or two days because I heard people feel a bit under the weather after getting it.
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Sure hope it works out considering the apparent problems with that specific Vaccine.
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Which one? The mixed results of efficiency published? The production bundle of it? Or the allegedly tendency that it causes thrombosis?
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Based on these articles:
! https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/azd1222-us-phase-iii-primary-analysis-confirms-safety-and-efficacy.html
! > The primary endpoint, vaccine efficacy at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 was 76% … preventing severe or critical disease and hospitalisation, demonstrated 100% efficacy.
! https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55910964
! > This study - on 17,000 people in the UK, South Africa and Brazil - showed protection remained at 76% during the three months after the first dose.This rose to 82% after people were given the second dose.
! https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55302595
! > Government's deputy chief medical officer, Jonathan Van Tam, says there is "plenty of evidence" the vaccines appear to be effective against the Kent variant that is dominant in the UK.
! https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/05/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-works-against-uk-variant-oxford-says.html
! https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210331/Oxford-AstraZeneca-vaccine-effective-against-B117-SARS-CoV-2-variant.aspx
! https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/02/health/astrazeneca-blood-clots-explainer-intl-cmd-gbr/index.html
! > The MHRA said that 15.8 million people had received at least one shot of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK. With 30 cases of CVST or other thrombosis in the UK, the incidence of developing one of these rare clots is 1.89 in a million.
! https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56620646I think I'll be fine, if I do get it (still not confirmed).