I'll repeat myself:
Vivi = 5.5
Carue should also be 5.5
Vivi + Carue = 5.5 + 5.5 = 11
q.e.d.
I'll repeat myself:
Vivi = 5.5
Carue should also be 5.5
Vivi + Carue = 5.5 + 5.5 = 11
q.e.d.
Yeah even if she never travels with them again, which I can’t see happening given they will possibly have another adventure in the endgame, Vivi is still considered part of Luffy’s crew in Luffy’s eye, like how Luffy doesn’t see his Fleet as part of his crew.
And don’t forget Carue people. Carue deserves a lot of said respect too. I mean, if Stronger is part of Blackbeard’s crew (and isn’t actually hiding some intelligence/ability beyond being Dr Q’s ride), then Carue should be considered too. And Carue has personality!
See now you've got me thinking that Stronger ate a DF and is one of BB's captains now.
Still, better Stronger than the reveal being Aokiji…there is still a mystery captain, right?
Yes, Kuzan is not the 10th Captain, as Burgess and Teach were discussing him joining recently, and then the former was announced as part of the 10. So, there is a as-yet-unknown 10th Captain.
And also no, it's not Stronger, you trolls. XD
Pirate apprentice first mentioned in volume 2.
We found out about Ace learning how to make amigasa hats in marineford.
Luffy getting star eyes from hearing about ninjas.
A big ass sphinx named Tama (with katakana/hiragana, not kanji like Tama the girl).
Tama has to actually show ninja skills in front of Luffy for Luffy's starry eyes to hold weight. And I doubt her ninja skills will outshine Raizo's.
Tama the Sphinx I suppose can connect to Tama the Person since she is a beast tamer???
So, are you implying that Tama will be the Pirate Apprentice of the Strawhats and would replace Nami as the seamstress of Luffy's treasured Strawhat? :wassat:
@theackwardstation:
This guy bought Carrot merchandising a long time ago.
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Merchandising!? I mean, Oda could have foreseen Carrot's popularity if he knows truly knows the One Piece fanbase. Even so, that rabbit doll doesn't connect to Luffy outside that it was shown in his flashback.
Ninjin may have alluded to Carrot with the katakana/hiragana vs kanji argument used for Tama but nothing else really connects the two to solidify that claim.
The best foreshadowing Carrot has is she shares with Pedro on the chapter 175 colorspread.
@Deicide:
Ok, fine, since everyone is quoting you and posting their perceived "foreshadowing":
- Nami also wore Hancock-like clothes as well as Robin's in Chapter 97.
- Short after Chapter 100, Color Walk book 1 was released previewing future enemies. One of them was a prototype Hancock, which means her character was in Oda's mind for a long time.
- Chapter 516, which introduces Hancock and is aptly titled "The Pirate Empress Boa Hancock", features a color spread with a message "A Casual Discovery" and all SHs in their "debut" situations, akin to the panels now used for the chapter 1,000 countdown.
- Hancock losing her title and Amazon Lily being destroyed was hinted way back in the chapter 517.
- Hancock was hyped as having all forms of haki, but we never got to see her capabilities in full. Since she's not going to be an enemy, she's obviously being reserved to be shown in all her glory later in the story, fighting alongside the SHs at some point.
- Alongside Jinbe, she was Luffy's greatest and most loyal ally during the Impel Down/Marineford saga, and helped nurturing him back to health.
- She also participated in the 3D2Y thing.
- She being more about her feelings with Luffy after the 2 years hint at some hidden development in the period.
- Jinbe's flashback skipping Fisher Tiger's rampage in Mary Geoise hints towards that scene being covered in the future. Maybe Hancock's flashback?
- The recent dissolution of the Shichibukai and the impending attack on Amazon Lily will most likely bring Hancock back to the spotlight. Of all allies Luffy met on the way, Hancock is one of the few, if not the only, great friend that wasn't ever in danger and is in debted to Luffy, which means her arc is ahead of us and not in the past.
The addition of Boa Hancock would indeed put the Strawhats in Pirate King crew territory.
You make some good points with the 3D2Y, her having a named chapter, and Nami wearing Hancock's clothes.
I'm not really sure any crewmate will have Conquerors Haki outside of Luffy. It's feasible but seems unlikely, IMO. Same argument could be made that two ex-Warlords won't be on the Strawhat crew.
Tama has to actually show ninja skills in front of Luffy for Luffy's starry eyes to hold weight. And I doubt her ninja skills will outshine Raizo's.
Tama the Sphinx I suppose can connect to Tama the Person since she is a beast tamer???
So, are you implying that Tama will be the Pirate Apprentice of the Strawhats and would replace Nami as the seamstress of Luffy's treasured Strawhat? :wassat:
Yeah, will probably not outshine Raizo's but she oughta be able to do something cool at least!
Yeah, but it's also a gag since Tama is a popular name for cats in japan, kind of like Buster or something for dogs in the us.
Yup! For sure! And yes, she would
Just a thought on Yamato: I have a feeling they use the Kanabo because Kaido forbid them to learn how to use swords, because of their hero worship of Oden, naturally. But once the arc is over, I wonder if they'll switch over to like a nodachi-sized sword?
Same argument could be made that two ex-Warlords won't be on the Strawhat crew.
Yes, I'm aware there are some arguments against her as well:
But I do think Oda has at least seeded an arc focusing on her story, and that could possibly lead to her joining the crew before the last adventure.
Yeah, will probably not outshine Raizo's but she oughta be able to do something cool at least!
Yeah, but it's also a gag since Tama is a popular name for cats in japan, kind of like Buster or something for dogs in the us.
Yup! For sure! And yes, she would
That's an interesting gag Tama having a pet name
It would be cool if Tama "summoned" a collection of beasts and SMILE users via scrolls as a secret weapon.
@Deicide:
Yes, I'm aware there are some arguments against her as well:
- Two shichibukai in the crew sounds unoriginal
- She can look like post-timeskip Robin sometimes
- No unique color scheme (she does usually have purple/violet/indigo amid her clothes, but that's also close to Robin's signature color).
- Her feelings for Luffy may not fit the "no romance" rule.
- Maybe she's just meant to be a special friend.
But I do think Oda has at least seeded an arc focusing on her story, and that could possibly lead to her joining the crew before the last adventure.
I figured you heard every reason why not.
So the last main places to visit are:
Elbaf
Emerald City
Lodestar
Marie Geoise
Laugh Tale
So Hancock can help the Strawhats during their raid at Marie Geoise where her backstory can get expanded.
Maybe we can get a little more insight on Fisher Tiger's raid as well. Got skipped twice. Thought for sure we'd see it at some point by now.
That's an interesting gag Tama having a pet name
It would be cool if Tama "summoned" a collection of beasts and SMILE users via scrolls as a secret weapon.
I figured you heard every reason why not.
So the last main places to visit are:
Elbaf
Emerald City
Lodestar
Marie Geoise
Laugh TaleSo Hancock can help the Strawhats during their raid at Marie Geoise where her backstory can get expanded.
Tama the sphinx's name is spelled like タマ in katakana
the most famous cat named Tama is this one but its spelled with hiragana
Tama (Japanese: たま, April 29, 1999 – June 22, 2015) was a female calico cat who gained fame for being a station master and operating officer at Kishi Station on the Kishigawa Line in Kinokawa, Wakayama Prefecture, Japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tama_(cat)
Tama waiting for Ace even though Ace is dead reminds me of Hachiko
Hachikō (ハチ公, 10 November 1923 – 8 March 1935) was a Japanese Akitadog remembered for his remarkable loyalty to his owner, Hidesaburō Ueno, for whom he continued to wait for over nine years following Ueno's death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachikō
So definitely some pet themes going on here IMO
Meanwhile, Tama the girl's name is spelled with a single Kanji, 玉
Usually meaning ball (as in sphere), or jewel.
the most famous person named 玉 is Akechi Tama, daughter of the famous Akechi Mitsuhide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosokawa_Gracia
Gracia frequently appears as a character in Japanese historical fiction, both novels and drama. One website lists her as a character in over 40 stage dramas, movies, TV dramas, etc., from 1887 to 2006.
And her father is the one who betrayed Nobunaga Oda and him killed.
Akechi Tama married into the Hosokawa family and was baptised into christianity, hence she is mostly known as Hosokawa Gracia.
The Hosokawa was the clan that used to rule over Kumamoto, Oda's hometown and the Kumamoto castle was built while they were in power over the region.
I'm sure you can recognise the Hosokawa emblem from One Piece, its featured on Luffytaros kimono, and from this color spread among others.
That's an interesting gag Tama having a pet name
It would be cool if Tama "summoned" a collection of beasts and SMILE users via scrolls as a secret weapon.
I figured you heard every reason why not.
So the last main places to visit are:
Elbaf
Emerald City
Lodestar
Marie Geoise
Laugh TaleSo Hancock can help the Strawhats during their raid at Marie Geoise where her backstory can get expanded.
I feel we will see:
After that we will see Lodestar, Laugh Tale and God Valley, thought I’m not sure if the final conflict will be against WG or BB. Maybe both?
I think in the end Luffy will use the Ancient Weapons to crumble the Red Line, destroying Mary Geoise and Fishman Island in the process.
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Maybe we can get a little more insight on Fisher Tiger's raid as well. Got skipped twice. Thought for sure we'd see it at some point by now.
I expect that in the Mary Geoise arc.
@Johnny:
And also no, it's not Stronger, you trolls. XD
So you're saying is weaker then??
Well I hope is weak enough for Nami, now that Devon is starting to look like Yamato's vs, since she's not the oversexualized type and all.
I believe the BB pirates will challenge the strengths of each SH. Like Usopp will face Auger, who’s a sniper, thus forcing Usopp to become a better sniper.
I expect Nami and Robin to face opponents that play in similar arenas to them, i.e.: weather/elemental forces/cunning and smarts/manipulation/control.
Since Catarina Devon is a melee fighter with a zoan and shapeshifting powers, known for hunting beautiful women to collect their heads, I think she’s the last nakama’s counterpart and not a nemesis for Nami or Robin. Rather, she will face another melee fighter, be it Carrot/Yamato/Hancock/whoever.
In the case of Hancock, not only the “hunting beautiful women” part fits, but the shapeshifting powers can explore her traumas and feelings for Luffy. Plus, Devon’s introduction in chapter 925 did have a “Hancock vibe” with those women fawning over her.
Sounds plausible, but it still depends on the 10 Titan to be a hottie.
otherwise, it's totally gon be Nami vs Devon.
If Yamato can turn into a dragon and if said dragon is close to the size of their dad, maybe s/he is the one to handle Wolf? Dragon VS Giant.
Robin gets to "fight" Aokiji but they just slink out for some coffe and catching up
I feel that BB will uncover Aokiji as a SWORD agent and kill him. His fruit will then be used by whoever Robin fights, giving her personal stakes. Could even be Burgess, since he doesn’t trust Aokiji! Large, brawler/wrestler, now with ice powers? Sounds almost impossible for her.
I also think Bakkin/Weevil may join BB. He’s after something the marines are trying to get. She may have been part of Rocks and know secrets BB wants. I feel Bakkin may be the true character and have powers of her own, while Weevil may just be her “living weapon”.
Weevil/Bakkin weren’t introduced for nothing, and I doubt they are going to get their own arc. Joining a larger threat makes sense.
@Johnny:
If Yamato can turn into a dragon and if said dragon is close to the size of their dad, maybe s/he is the one to handle Wolf? Dragon VS Giant.
He fits perfectly against Tama with his children picture books evil look!
Let Tama ride on a beast of mountain gods size and fight him!
I'm on the Robin vs Vasco Shot train till it dies!:ninja:
I'm still waiting for Vista to surprise us as the 10th Commander. Vista is the only relevant present character outside of Mihawk and Zoro who has shown any interest in becoming the World's Strongest Swordsman. Shiryu has not shown any interest in fighting Mihawk which to me doesn't bode to well for a Zoro vs Shiryu match.
I'm on the Robin vs Vasco Shot train till it dies!:ninja:
I'm genuinely curious about why you think they are counterparts.
I'm genuinely curious about why you think they are counterparts.
It's bc Robin facing off against ugliness in the manga in the manga… If Robin were to fight her counterpart... Bb would be her opponent bc of archeology
I think it's misguided to look for someone on Blackbead's crew to supplant Mihawk as the world's greatest swordsman. The Straw Hats dreams are not accomplished by beating up Blackbead's band of goons.
The central narrative arc is much grander and began much earlier than Teach's relatively short lifespan.
It's speculation, but I think Zoro's final opponent is the swordsman who sits among the Five Elders in Marijoa.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I think it's misguided to look for someone on Blackbead's crew to supplant Mihawk as the world's greatest swordsman. The Straw Hats dreams are not accomplished by beating up Blackbead's band of goons.
The central narrative arc is much grander and began much earlier than Teach's relatively short lifespan.
It's speculation, but I think Zoro's final opponent is the swordsman who sits among the Five Elders in Marijoa.
Zoro's path became really hazy when Mihawk turned into his mentor in the timeskip. It made Zoro challenging him way less interesting, so thinking someone else will defeat Mihawk and become Zoro's target is a natural thought.
The thing is that Shiryu, the most likely candidate for the feat right now, does not (yet) have the charisma nor the proven strength necessary to supplant Mihawk in the fandom's view. He may do the deed eventually, but he hasn't earned that right yet.
Even if Zoro's final opponent is someone else, Zoro wants to be the best, not the second best. As long as Mihawk is undefeated, Zoro can go only as far as second place. A substitute for Mihawk won't be the greatest challenge ever as long as Mihawk still stands.
I'm have no certainty on it, but I think Mihawk may seeking the Red Hair Pirates after losing his Warlord status. Maybe he's with them when Blackbeard arrives to challenge Shanks. Maybe that's the moment Shiryu (or someone else, we don't really know if Shiryu is meant to be Zoro's opponent) takes him down.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I think it's misguided to look for someone on Blackbead's crew to supplant Mihawk as the world's greatest swordsman. The Straw Hats dreams are not accomplished by beating up Blackbead's band of goons.
The central narrative arc is much grander and began much earlier than Teach's relatively short lifespan.
It's speculation, but I think Zoro's final opponent is the swordsman who sits among the Five Elders in Marijoa.
The dude who was introduced like 18 years ago who doesn't even have his own name and is basically a dividual with the other 4? That would be a shitty final boss for Zoro.
@Johnny:
The dude who was introduced like 18 years ago who doesn't even have his own name and is basically a dividual with the other 4? That would be a shitty final boss for Zoro.
His sword is suspiciously similar to the Shodai Kitetsu, though.
@Johnny:
The dude who was introduced like 18 years ago who doesn't even have his own name and is basically a dividual with the other 4? That would be a shitty final boss for Zoro.
Someone had to train Mihawk, right? :ninja:
His sword is suspiciously similar to the Shodai Kitetsu, though.
Looks like, though. No confirmation on it being the real deal.
I'm still 100% confident that Zoro will face Mihawk. That fight doesn't have to happen during the final war.
Facing someone else would only make sense if that someone is a pure swordsman and beats Mihawk fair and square and I can't see that happening from any character already introduced.
That would cheapen his dream achievement if he's only considered the best because Mihawk is dead. Defeating the one who killed him if that one used other means that just swordskills would not do it for me.
Beating up your teacher as your grand finale feels a bit like kissing your sister.
But Zoro became Mihawk's student with the intention of using what he learned and developed to eventually defeat Mihawk, the Greatest Swordsman in the World.
It would just be weird that a character that has been considered the Greatest Swordsman for two decades to not be the Swordsman Zoro faces to attain his dream.
Anyone else representing that goal for Zoro would be a lesser obstacle for Zoro to overcome even if that character does defeat Mihawk. Such a character would not hold the same substance and weight as Mihawk. It would ultimately cheapen Zoro's accomplishments and dream.
And Zoro cannot be said to have surpassed Mihawk without facing Mihawk directly and surpassing him. Zoro's promise to Luffy in East Blue still rings epic to this day. I would not want such a set-up to become a hollow twist and tragedy.
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Besides Kuina and Mihawk, Zoro has not lost to any other Swordsman/Swordswoman. And when the series ends, the only Swordsman/Swordswoman Zoro will not have defeated is Kuina. Not Kuina AND Mihawk. And by extension of the Wado Ichimonji, Zoro and Kuina will be the World's Greatest Swordsman, fulfilling the dream they both shared.
Regarding Oden, even if Oden is not alive, Zoro will surpass Oden through his battle with Kaido (and via the comments made by the Akazaya Nine, Momonosuke, Hiyori, Hyogoro, Onimaru, Yamato, etc).
I feel Zoro not being the one to defeat Mihawk after all the training and battles he endured would be akin to Robin not finding out the secret of the Void Century herself and instead learning about part of the history from someone else.
Just as One Piece is there for Luffy to discover.
Just as the world will be mapped by Nami.
Just as Usopp will continually confront himself and balance out his cowardice with courage.
Just as All Blue will be there for Sanji to experience.
Just as Chopper will come to cure any illness, including ones with no known cure existing.
Just as Vivi will help see the Kingdom of Alabasta into the future [and be a beacon for the rest of the world].
Just as the secrets of the world will be uncovered by Robin (the "true history").
Just as the ship Franky built, the Thousand Sunny, will sail the Grand Line.
Just as the Going Merry's dream through the Thousand Sunny of sailing the Straw Hat Pirates through their adventure will be fulfilled.
Just as Brook will return the "final message" of the Rumbar Pirates to Laboon.
Just as Jinbe will help carve a path to the Sun.
It seems certain to me that the promise Zoro made in the presence of Luffy and Mihawk (and others) will be one which will hold true. Zoro will surpass Mihawk by fighting him and winning.
I wholeheartedly agree. That's why I also don't like the theories that Blackbeard will beat Luffy to the One Piece so that Luffy will have to take it from him. It would only cheapen the whole journey for me if Luffy is the third Pirate King and not Roger's direct successor.
Despite all the set up, for me all the air went out of it when Zoro bowed to Mihawk and moved in with him. But i'm cynical about those type of fated meetings of friends in general, i don't think Luffy will ever get to hand back his hat to Shanks either. I can't see the full satisfaction in some half hearted fight betwenn teacher and student ending with the good student being verbally patted on the head and told how much he has grown. Not saying it can't happen but it feels very schlocky to me.
Even with the teacher-student relationship I don't think there is such a thing as a half-hearted fight between two men for whom a swordsman's honor and respect is worth more than their own life
I wholeheartedly agree. That's why I also don't like the theories that Blackbeard will beat Luffy to the One Piece so that Luffy will have to take it from him. It would only cheapen the whole journey for me if Luffy is the third Pirate King and not Roger's direct successor.
Since BB is an opportunist, I think he will follow Luffy to Laugh Tale and they'll clash for the One Piece there.
That way, Luffy is still the first to reach the treasure, but has a big fight for it before he can be Pirate King.
Since BB is an opportunist, I think he will follow Luffy to Laugh Tale and they'll clash for the One Piece there.
That way, Luffy is still the first to reach the treasure, but has a big fight for it before he can be Pirate King.
I'd be okay with that. Maybe add a way to kick them out after so they definitely won't be able to share the glory of the One Piece. The Straw Hats should be the only ones who will witness everything Roger left behind
I keep imagining that scene where Garp can't bring himself to strike down the kids he brought up. Not to that emotional level of course, but the seed of something akin to that was planted when Mihawk moved from person to beat to person to emulate. Without a certain degree of antagonism it loses it's edge, to me atleast. Now beating the shit of whoever was strong enough to kill papa hawk combines both surpass you and a burning desire to go all out in battle. Which to be fair is also fairly schlocky, but it is angry schlock instead of sentimental schlock so it is clearly the superior kind of schlock.
Isn't the whole trope of the student surpassing the master in a duel pretty common in Japanese media?
I keep imagining that scene where Garp can't bring himself to strike down the kids he brought up. Not to that emotional level of course, but the seed of something akin to that was planted when Mihawk moved from person to beat to person to emulate. Without a certain degree of antagonism it loses it's edge, to me atleast. Now beating the shit of whoever was strong enough to kill papa hawk combines both surpass you and a burning desire to go all out in battle. Which to be fair is also fairly schlocky, but it is angry schlock instead of sentimental schlock so it is clearly the superior kind of schlock.
It gets even weirder when we consider that Zoro spent more time training with Mihawk than traveling with the crew.
It's like if beating Rayleigh was Luffy's objective.
Mihawk and Zoro do not have a father/son relationship. They barely have a mentor relationship which isn't even close to Luffy/Rayleigh.
And honestly, Shiryu killing Mihawk (obviously not in a fair fight) and then Zoro beating Shiryu would be too obvious to happen. The entire fandom has this theory for a long time now. It's like, Luffy never giving back his hat to Shanks. It's so highly anticipated, that I don't want it to happen. I'm more in the "gorosei dude kills Mihawk" boat (once the gorosei dudes will move their asses out out of their office…). At least Zoro would fight the strongest swordsman in history, and not the strongest "known". (yeah because the gorosei dude is probably the strongest in history or something like that). Zoro can't beat a fodder like Mihawk :ninja: He's gotta aim higher...
And honestly, Shiryu killing Mihawk (obviously not in a fair fight)
Why do you think it must be an unfair win? If Shiryu is to become Zoro's objective, then he must be perceived by the audience as a worthy foe.
I don't think Shiryu's power will affect Mihawk in any way. He may try to use it at first, but then Mihawk just counters it perfectly and Shiryu is forced to really show his real swordsmanship.
And expect Shiryu to surpass Mihawk with skill and brute force, not some dirty trick. Shiryu's cruelty is more than enough to make him hated by the readers despite being the victor.
People have wanted a female crewmember who gets excited by dangerous adventures and strong enemies. People thought that Carrot would fulfill that role.
Yamato this chapter: Hold my kanabo
Since 999 is out officially, Yamato sure did gain a lot steam, huh?
Of course, Ace's promise with Tama is something to consider too.
Well, chapter 999 made me increase my arbitrary joining chance chart.
Carrot: 30% and decreasing.
Yamato: 15% (up from 5%) and increasing.
Tama: 1% and stable.
Thought I think the possibility of Yamato staying in Wano with the Kozuki for a while then starting his own crew is stronger for now.
This chapter didn't bring anything new about Yamato, but it's certainly remarkable that this is another chapter where he gets a lot of attention, focusing especially on the pathos behind the character. At the same time, as a flashback it was rather underwhelming and unimaginative. Don't know what to make of it.
Well, chapter 999 made me increase my arbitrary joining chance chart.
Carrot: 30% and decreasing.
Yamato: 15% (up from 5%) and increasing.
Tama: 1% and stable.Thought I think the possibility of Yamato staying in Wano with the Kozuki for a while then starting his own crew is stronger for now.
1%?? Come oooon buddeh!
Their promise was brought up like 4 times just in the latest chapter!
For story reasons alone she is definitely the most deserving and likeliest character to join!
Loved Yamato in this chapter, but if she knows too much about the D's and the secrets of the world, i think that would disqualify her. That's Robin's territory.
Yes this is a weak argument, as there’s been plenty of strong level people in One Piece who have been subordinates before, even former Pirate Captains like Ace and Jinbe. Still, anyone think Ace’s line about him thinking Yamato should be a captain given his strength could be used to leverage the notion of him going out to sea as a captain on his own?
Yamato is strong, but knows shit about sailing.
Like Oden.
This chapter didn't bring anything new about Yamato, but it's certainly remarkable that this is another chapter where he gets a lot of attention, focusing especially on the pathos behind the character. At the same time, as a flashback it was rather underwhelming and unimaginative. Don't know what to make of it.
We still know very little about Yamato's background.
Which is very likely to be brought up when Kaido gets his own flashback too. Lots of mysteries surrounding whatever Kaido is, even more now that we know his DF.