Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)
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So at what point is all hope lost?
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So at what point is all hope lost?
When the Dawn plot come and go without Carrot finishing her development.
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I'd say when the crew leaves Wano.
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Tama is still at 0% chance imo. Her hack/plot fruit was required in order for this "war" to end anyway, so it was a given that she would make an appearance sooner or later. As for Carrot, while Wanda showing up out of nowhere is still one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while, my guess is Oda did it to a) have her saved at some point by Carrot or b) to have her realize how strong Carrot is so that she doesn't have to worry about her anymore. Could be both.
Anyway, Carrot's panel recalling Pedro's words still means she has a lot to understand. Carrot just beating Peros won't teach her that. She won't have a better understanding or his words or sacrifice until this arc ends and she's had time to reflect on what the SHs have just accomplished. Then we'll see how she interprets it.
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That's a good topic.
So how did you guys like her re-entrance? Was good, right?
Showing once again her courage and that she wouldn't be the only one that has to be saved by others when faced some strong opponent.Now let's hear all the "She can't have her dog all the time with her, she can't have all kind of animals, she's a child, she can't protect herself" whining.
it was godly, tama kicked the nay sayers in the nuts with her first panel in onigashima, absolutely loving it.
Wrong topicā¦ :ninja:
Oh, you didn't know? this here is the CARROT thread, even when she was absent for years it was still about that rodent.
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it was godly, tama kicked the nay sayers in the nuts with her first panel in onigashima, absolutely loving it.
Oh, you didn't know? this here is the CARROT thread, even when she was absent for years it was still about that rodent.
How about you cut back on the smack talk? I'd be happy to further discuss Tama and Carrot's respective pros and cons, but not if you're gonna be flaming.
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How about you cut back on the smack talk? I'd be happy to further discuss Tama and Carrot's respective pros and cons, but not if you're gonna be flaming.
Okey, okey you're obviously not in the mood for some smack talk, just want to point this wasn't directed at you personally so don't take it that way.
i just prefer some straight up smack talk rather than the passive aggressiveness and snarky attitudes that generally overflow these threads.Pros for tama within this chap:
the chapter title is referencing to her
She showed combat ability and potential
She is bonding with two more strawhats
She saved her second strawhatcons
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Not that I think chapter titles matter, but isn't it referencing Nami instead?
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Yeah, I wrote and/or nami first then edited it out, I think it fits them both, but I didn't want to be modest.
What Tama has with Ace and to herself is a promise, and I've just checked the raws and it is indeed the kanji for oath not really a promise, at the same, Tama a kunoichi with a promise appears in the cliffhanger, and I dont know if Nami still counts as a "kunoichi in training" since she switched outfit and all the strawhats have dumped their aliases. -
Could mean them both.
Solid, another con is: Tama is ridiculously underpowerd to do anything against Ultipay. Her steed is worth the plant Usopp growed within this chap.
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Yeah, that feels more like something that will be addressed in the next chapter (hopefully), we didn't see if she got overpowered in this chap so it isn't fair to say that yet.
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Gonna make a quick hot take: Tama has no combat ability. She has room and potential to improve, but not at her current state, which mainly consists of controlling animals to her service. It's a useful skill on its own, especially in this situation with the Beast Pirates' Gifters. She's gonna play a huge role in that as people have predicted.
However, if we're talking Tama's combat ability, I'm sorry Solid, but she has none. If she doesn't have any animals at her side, what then? That's why becoming the bewitching kunoichi she promised Ace and probably Luffy eventually is necessary for her to eventually join their crew. That's why I've always held the no kid policy. If she can't defend herself, then she will be a liability.
Even, if I don't think Yamato's gonna join, I see her chances far above Tama's.
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Gonna make a quick hot take: Tama has no combat ability. She has room and potential to improve, but not at her current state, which mainly consists of controlling animals to her service. It's a useful skill on its own, especially in this situation with the Beast Pirates' Gifters. She's gonna play a huge role in that as people have predicted.
However, if we're talking Tama's combat ability, I'm sorry Solid, but she has none. If she doesn't have any animals at her side, what then? That's why becoming the bewitching kunoichi she promised Ace and probably Luffy eventually is necessary for her to eventually join their crew. That's why I've always held the no kid policy. If she can't defend herself, then she will be a liability.
Even, if I don't think Yamato's gonna join, I see her chances far above Tama's.
Bewitching Kunoichi, Tama did sort of bewitch her pets and Olin :ninja: I see a loophole in the promises' conditions for her to become a pirate.
her pets is her combat ability so far, therefor she actually has combat ability, you cant say she has none when she just showed us that she did, her pets belongs to her combat ability just like Big mom's homies, Capone's men, Cracker's biscuit soldiers, Sugar's toy soldiers etc.
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These last few chapters seemed liked Oda is teasing us with the crewmate candidates. Yamato, Carrot and now Tama.
To add fuel to the fire, the countdown to chapter 1,000 uses images of crewmate introductions (either to Luffy, the crew or the readers). Could chapter 1,000 reveal the last one in its color spread? Who knows?
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Bewitching Kunoichi, Tama did sort of bewitch her pets and Olin :ninja: I see a loophole in the promises' conditions for her to become a pirate.
her pets is her combat ability so far, therefor she actually has combat ability, you cant say she has none when she just showed us that she did, her pets belongs to her combat ability just like Big mom's homies, Capone's men, Cracker's biscuit soldiers, Sugar's toy soldiers etc.
She has so far yet to display a single kunoichi ability so to speak. Shinobu has years of training and experience. It was shown in Oden's flashback that as a child she was already training as one and about 10 years later she's helping Oden and the Scabbards fight off Kaido and the Beast Pirates. The point being that Shinobu had time to train to get to that point. And that goes for any of the Straw Hats, new or old. They have had time to develop their abilities to where they are now, only growing powerful and more efficient in said skills as time goes on.
Tama goes off as she is now, she has limited utility in that she can control animals to fight for her, but no independent fighting skills or any kunoichi techniques to speak of. In those circumstances, that's where she'll end up failing, especially since she doesn't have any techniques to begin with. If she had displayed any of them, maybe I'd treat her candidacy a little more seriously.
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Okey, okey you're obviously not in the mood for some smack talk, just want to point this wasn't directed at you personally so don't take it that way.
i just prefer some straight up smack talk rather than the passive aggressiveness and snarky attitudes that generally overflow these threads.Pros for tama within this chap:
the chapter title is referencing to her
She showed combat ability and potential
She is bonding with two more strawhats
She saved her second strawhatcons
Was hoping for a new outfitFine. Let's get to it.
Tama and Komachiyo got a good hit in, but that doesn't equate to combat ability. She conked one of her captors on the head too, but neither feat puts her in the same league as even Usopp or Nami. She's still vulnerable, and as Nami said, she's not supposed to even be there. No one wants a little kid to be in harm's way, which is exactly the issue with her being on the crew.
At sea, she'll always be at risk, and everyone's priority will naturally be to keep her safe, not to rely on her to get things done. They care about and count on each other equally: no single person's health and safety is more important than another's. Tama would upend that completely. That's just how it is with kids, and something I can personally attest to as a parent: kids' lives are more sacred than adults. The crew isn't ready to be parents for a child who'll need their undivided attention and devotion.
Tama made it to the battle, the bare minimum for consideration. That doesn't erase all the issues that were there the last time we saw her. I certainly wouldn't abide her being at the end of Ulti's headbutts.
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Tama made it to the battle, the bare minimum for consideration. That doesn't erase all the issues that were there the last time we saw her. I certainly wouldn't abide her being at the end of Ulti's headbutts.
Even though I want to believe Tama won't be in harm's way, it wouldn't be unusual for Oda to do so. Look at Luffy's past: beaten with spiked gloves to reveal the location of a hidden treasure despite being bloodied, terrified, and crying.
Even Momonosuke, look at what happened to him. I think that drives the point even further that kids aren't ready yet.
Tama can't even compare to Ace as a kid. At 10 years old, he was already doing this:
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I don't feel the Chapter title is about Tama, but about Nami. She's also playing a kunoichi role in this arc, plus it's her words that were the highlight of the final scene. It's not like Tama appeared with some powerful words or a moment of pure resolve.
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I don't think Tama has any realistic chance, but she's still being slept on as the war's table turner.
As for Carrot, yeah, needing help from her BFF to stand a chance is not a good look. But then, Perospero was always out of her league.
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These last few chapters seemed liked Oda is teasing us with the crewmate candidates. Yamato, Carrot and now Tama.
To add fuel to the fire, the countdown to chapter 1,000 uses images of crewmate introductions (either to Luffy, the crew or the readers). Could chapter 1,000 reveal the last one in its color spread? Who knows?
I saw him as taking Yamato out of the equation. Again, rather than having him fight alongside the SHs, he's defending Momo and saying that he's prepared to die for him. It's hard to see someone like that just suddenly leaving Momo after Wano. Plus, there's a nice dichotomy between who their fathers were vs how they could end up.
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I saw him as taking Yamato out of the equation. Again, rather than having him fight alongside the SHs, he's defending Momo and saying that he's prepared to die for him. It's hard to see someone like that just suddenly leaving Momo after Wano. Plus, there's a nice dichotomy between who their fathers were vs how they could end up.
Frankly, I myself don't see any of them joining. It's only Jinbe for now.
But people will always get hyped when their favorites get the spotlight for a moment.
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So at what point is all hope lost?
I'd say when the crew leaves Wano.
I'd hope that Shift is right, and I'm sure he himself will keep to that, but the truth is even if the straw hats leave without Carrot after Wano some people are still gonna say that she'll return to the story at some point and that she'll probably join then
It probably won't end until another person joins the crew and even then there's been plenty of people who seem to think there will be more than 10 members
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I doubt there'll be people saying that Carrot will come back to join unless it's heavily implied as such (like Jimbe in FI). One Piece is ending, and everybody understands that there's only one more saga after Wano, so there's no reason to leave her behind now only to join later.
People make this argument for Vivi (and Smoker) only because of very specific circunstances about their context.
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I'd hope that Shift is right, and I'm sure he himself will keep to that, but the truth is even if the straw hats leave without Carrot after Wano some people are still gonna say that she'll return to the story at some point and that she'll probably join then
It probably won't end until another person joins the crew and even then there's been plenty of people who seem to think there will be more than 10 members
Right. I'm not expecting another case like Jinbe's, where they ask the crew to wait for them. If the ship leaves and Carrot's waving goodbye from the shore with everyone else, that should be the end of it.
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Right. I'm not expecting another case like Jinbe's, where they ask the crew to wait for them. If the ship leaves and Carrot's waving goodbye from the shore with everyone else, that should be the end of it.
This. If there's gonna be an 11th, which we assume there will be based off of Luffy's original pronouncement (excluding Vivi), it kinda has to happen by the end of Wano. Luffy will officially be an emperor at that point and we'll start heading to the endgame islands of Elbaf, maybe one or two others, and then Laugh Tale.
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I think if the crew sets sail from Wano without Carrot, she's not joining. Personally, I still expect she's going to join, will get back to that in a bit. But, Wano is really the point where it will be decided. If she returns to Zou with the Minks, I think that's it. I do expect that if she doesn't join, she'll return toward the end of the story, but as an ally like Law, Kinemon, etc. But, to join the crew? This is it.
The circumstances for Vivi and Smoker are very different.
I think the biggest issue with Tama is that her goal of becoming a 'bewitching Kunoichi' really isn't accomplished by setting out to sea with the Straw Hats. She'd be better off learning from Shinobu and Raizo - I'm not sure how she could grow or work toward her goal by sailing aboard the Sunny.
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As much as Oda says there's only 5 years left I'm still expecting a few more islands, and there will definitely be one more we weren't expecting, one thing Oda is not is predictable, after Drum Island, Punk Hazard and Whole Cake Island it's very clear to me that Oda likes to throw our expectations about what's next right out the window, he'll add one more surprise island we haven't heard of yet just to shake things up
also there's still so many characters we have to meet
The last Admiral
Vega Punk
The revolutionaries
Im
Weeivel
The level 6 prisoners (he mentioned at a cliff hanger at one of the most important arcs and mentioned again recently in Dressrosa)
Loki and all the giants at Elbafand reintroduce us to
Gecko Moria
Buggy and crew (a long with an adventure for Captain John's treasure plot)
Kuma
Bonney
Urouge
Crocodile
Doflamingo? (he may still have a part to play)
The other admirals
Black Beard pirates
Shanks? (might die against black Beard before meeting Luffy)
Boa Hancock
Mihawk
Vivi
CP0
Vinesmokes
the Grandfleet
Gin? (it's been so long, who even knows at this point)
Cobby, Helmpo
Garp and Sengoku
Axe Hand Morgan
Smoker and Tashigi
Sentomaru
Aokiji
Black Beard Pirates
Enel?Of course a lot of those will be in the same arc
also islands we know they'll go to
Elbaf
Raftel
re going to Fishman Island to fulfill the prophecy
and maybe someday that lightning Islanddid I miss anything? Seems like way to much for 5 years
I knew I forgot something VegaPunk's SSG and the 3 Ancient Weapons
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I think Wano is the last arc anyone joins. I can't fathom something joining after Wano. Oda has straight up said that Wano arc is accelerating the series towards its climax. Imagine if someone joined right before the Strawhats reach Raftel, what would be the point?
Personally I think Carrot and maybe Yamato might BOTH join.
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As much as Oda says there's only 5 years left I'm still expecting a few more islands, and there will definitely be one more we weren't expecting, one thing Oda is not is predictable, after Drum Island, Punk Hazard and Whole Cake Island it's very clear to me that Oda likes to throw our expectations about what's next right out the window, he'll add one more surprise island we haven't heard of yet just to shake things up
also there's still so many characters we have to meet
The last Admiral
Vega Punk
The revolutionaries
Im
Weeivel
The level 6 prisoners (he mentioned at a cliff hanger at one of the most important arcs and mentioned again recently in Dressrosa)
Loki and all the giants at Elbafand reintroduce us to
Gecko Moria
Buggy and crew (a long with an adventure for Captain John's treasure plot)
Kuma
Bonney
Urouge
Crocodile
Doflamingo? (he may still have a part to play)
The other admirals
Black Beard pirates
Shanks? (might die against black Beard before meeting Luffy)
Boa Hancock
Mihawk
Vivi
CP0
Vinesmokes
the Grandfleet
Gin? (it's been so long, who even knows at this point)
Cobby, Helmpo
Garp and Sengoku
Axe Hand Morgan
Smoker and Tashigi
Sentomaru
Aokiji
Black Beard Pirates
Enel?Of course a lot of those will be in the same arc
also islands we know they'll go to
Elbaf
Raftel
re going to Fishman Island to fulfill the prophecy
and maybe someday that lightning Islanddid I miss anything? Seems like way to much for 5 years
I knew I forgot something VegaPunk's SSG and the 3 Ancient Weapons
I agree. And personally, I'm partial to the interpretation of the Volume 97 SBS answer to mean 5 years to One Pieice / Laugh Tale (Post-Wano), then the final war following the revelation of the treasure. Which sounds about right.
-Vegapunk / SSG / Revolutionary / Underworld arc
-Elbaf arc
-Lodestar
-God ValleyI feel like these islands are pre-Laugh Tale. Just my opinion of course. I'm actually working on a video right now talking about different potential pre-Laugh Tale Islands.
But I also agree that Oda's likely to have at least one unexpected island remaining.
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I think Wano is the last arc anyone joins. I can't fathom something joining after Wano. Oda has straight up said that Wano arc is accelerating the series towards its climax. Imagine if someone joined right before the Strawhats reach Raftel, what would be the point?
Personally I think Carrot and maybe Yamato might BOTH join.
I think the exception to this is perhaps someone returning like Vivi or a well-established character like Smoker switching sides.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I think the exception to this is perhaps someone returning like Vivi or a well-established character like Smoker switching sides.
I can't see Vivi or Smoker joining, maybe after Raftel but not before. Vivi is too important to the overall story of One Piece the even Im singled her out as one of the lights that need to be "extinguished". While she is strong in other ways she genuinely just isn't cut out to be a pirate. In regards to Smoker, I'm a firm believer in the DF number theory so that crosses him off the list to me. Smoker and Tashigi have also been tied at the hip throughout the series that its hard to see them go separate ways. Most of all, neither of them are currently here in Wano arc.
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Oh man I forgot about Lodestar, God Valley the underworld and Rocks
Thanks Vongola_Boss_XI
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So at what point is all hope lost?
One Piece 2 - New Generation announced and it's set centuries after the first manga ended so Carrot has probably died of old age, assuming all devil fruits that could give her immortality are confirmed to being with other characters.
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As much as Oda says there's only 5 years left I'm still expecting a few more islands, and there will definitely be one more we weren't expecting, one thing Oda is not is predictable, after Drum Island, Punk Hazard and Whole Cake Island it's very clear to me that Oda likes to throw our expectations about what's next right out the window, he'll add one more surprise island we haven't heard of yet just to shake things up
I really doubt the 5-year plan too. Not because there's a lot to cover, but due to how Oda writes. I see many of your cited examples as being showcased in the same arcs, instead of each having its own story. However, just look at Onigashima: we've spent 2+ volumes just setting up the next act. Oda is not straightforward in his storytelling, he likes to twist and turn the path before reaching the goal. While it does make the story less predictable, it also makes it longer. This 5-year plan will probably take seven to ten years in reality.
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Man, the more this arc goes on the less hope I for Carrot and the more likely I feel Tama will join them instead. If they reveal next chapter that Tama has some kind of way of transporting Komachi and other animals through scrolls or something (like the Ninja scrolls Raizo uses) then she might suddenly have the strongest shot for next nakama.
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Man, the more this arc goes on the less hope I for Carrot and the more likely I feel Tama will join them instead. If they reveal next chapter that Tama has some kind of way of transporting Komachi and other animals through scrolls or something (like the Ninja scrolls Raizo uses) then she might suddenly have the strongest shot for next nakama.
I would genuinely question where that skill was when she was kidnapped by fodder or when she was attacked by Kaido.
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Tama is literally 8 years old. While I do think it's possible that she can sail with them as a cabin girl she's not going to be a main member of the crew. She'd be as much of a member as Zeus if that makes sense.
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Non-scientific arbitrary chance of joining (IMO):
- Carrot: 30% and decreasing.
- Yamato: 5% and increasing.
- Tama: 1% and stable.
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Nah, Yamato's chances are decreasing as it goes on. There are plenty of reasons why it makes sense for Yamato to stay behind. Yes he wants to go out and see the world like Oden did but at the same time he wants to fulfill Oden's wish of protecting Wano and opening it's borders, which would require him staying. After the chapter where he defends Momo, I think its more likely Yamato stays and becomes the next 'Guardian Deity' of Wano while Momo becomes Shogun.
In my opinion from the last bunch of chapters:
- Carrot: 30% and stable
- Yamato: 5% and decreasing
- Tama: 10% and rising
I would genuinely question where that skill was when she was kidnapped by fodder or when she was attacked by Kaido.
If it requires an item then it's very possible she didn't have it on her. Alternatively it is something she got from Shinobu or Raizo off-screen as these are the first ninja's she's actually met (I assume).
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Carrot does not have 6x more chance of joining than Yamato lol.
Let's put it this way: Yamato is the only one of the popular candidates that actually requested to join the Strawhat crew, on panel. While that is not proof they will join, it is proof that Oda has considered the possibility, even if only as a red herring. It is now a plot point in One Piece that is in need of closure. If you want to argue Yamato will not join, you have to argue the red herring angle.
Carrot, on the other hand, is a purely fandom thing. Neither Carrot, nor any of the strawhats, nor any other character, nor Oda has expressed the possibility of her becoming a member of the SHs. All evidence being pointed out is conjectural. It is possible that Oda hasn't even thought of Carrot joining as a possibility. People arguing for Carrot have the burden of proof of showing that evidence is more than just conjectural. While fans of Yamato just have to argue that when Oda made the possibility of Yamato joining canon, he meant it as such and wasn't trying to fool the readers.
So yeah Yamato is not a long shot while Carrot is a whopping 30%. It's probably closer to the opposite. Yamato is more similar to Jinbe at the FI arc than to Carrot.
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Yeah I disagree also Yamato has waaaaaaay higher chances of joining in my opinion
Even though I donāt think anyone besides Jinbei is joining this arc
But Yamato has literally asked to join, and has a dream of going out to Sea
and Iām not sure why people think her dream went from āI want to go out to sea and have adventuresā to āletās stay and be a diplomat for a guy who clearly has tons of people around him already who can do thatā simply because she protected Momo, all the straw hats have protected people especially in there own arcs, so Iām not seeing the logic
Protecting people from harm who you admire does not mean you suddenly gave up on your dream of going out to sea, Staying in Wano is literally the opposite of what she stated multiple times she wanted to do
Also Oda drawing a cover with only her and Luffy does not hurt his chances
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Like, for Carrot not to join, the only thing that needs to happen is Wano ending without anyone inviting her or her requesting to join.
For Yamato not to join, we need a scene with either Luffy saying no to them, or Yamato deciding that they changed their mind.
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Don't get focused on actual stats man, they're arbitrary.
But also you are likeā¦ wrong. From what I've seen there is plenty of evidence for why Carrot could join, from a motivation to make sure the Straw Hats get to Laugh Tale, an established relationship with the crew a unique design that doesn't clash with anyone else in the crew, amongst others. These are far from conjectural and you don't need the candidate to specifically ask to join the crew for them to suddenly have a chance. The only Straw Hat to actually ask that is Robin and to a lesser extent Brook. The deciding factor is Luffy asking them, and the only characters he asked immediately were Zoro, Chopper and Brook.
So no, Yamato asking doesn't mean he's the most likely. It definitely made him a candidate but since that point everything Yamato has done and his interaction with Luffy has made him less likely to join and more likely to remain in Wano and protect Momo.
Carrot's stable because while she has all of these reasons she could join, she hasn't done much in grand scheme of things to stand out. This moment with Perospero is basically the first thing she has done this whole arc and that is definitely an issue.
Tama on the other hand, the only thing getting in her way is the question of whether she can protect herself or not. If she has access to Komashi and the Baboon somehow then maybe she can be like an animal tamer/summoner but we haven't had anything to confirm that. Otherwise, Tama has everything that Yamato has but better, and nothing to tie her down to Wano.
-She has a better relationship with Luffy
-She's been more important to the Wano arc
-She has a unique design that doesn't clash with the other crew memebers
-She's also got a connection with Ace and wanted to leave Wano and become a pirate with himWhile she hasn't asked Luffy yet you know for absolute sure she will. Luffy is carrying on Ace's will and can fulfill his promises. If Tama doesn't join at the end of the arc, she's at least getting the same promise that Ace made with her with Luffy: that she can join his crew when she's older (although that won't happen before series end imo)
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lol please donāt say Carrot has a unique character design compared to others, your just gonna restart an old war that always goes in circles which no one agrees with each other about
How many times have we had that discussion? Feels like thousands
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and Iām not sure why people think her dream went from āI want to go out to sea and have adventuresā to āletās stay and be a diplomat for a guy who clearly has tons of people around him already who can do thatā simply because she protected Momo, all the straw hats have protected people especially in there own arcs, so Iām not seeing the logic
Because his dream isn't as black and white as 'I want to go out to sea'.
His dream is to be the next Oden. To inherit Oden's will and because Oden went out to sea, Yamato thinks he should go out to sea. However, it was also Oden's will to see the borders of Wano opened which is something all the 9-scabbards inherited and Yamato to. He said as much. Right now, for Yamato to go out to sea the idea of 'becoming Oden' needs to become more personal to him. Less about inheriting Oden's will and somehow becoming the next Oden in terms of a person. This is doable. If Wano ends with the borders opening and the 9-scabbards are fine on their own to protect Momo then Yamato can feel like Oden's wish has been met and now they can do their own thing. But unless that happens, Yamato going out to sea clashes with Yamato wanting to open the borders of Wano and protect it.
Also Yamato's dream of going out to sea is very basic and not reliant on Luffy at all. Really the only reason he asked Luffy was because originally he wanted to go with Ace and can't anymore. Luffy is the next best option.
Yamato obviously still has a chance and ticks many boxes but there are some character points that need to be addressed before we can say he's the most likely. It's these character points that have made people think Tama is more likely now. The biggest hurdle for her is that she would be absent in the final conflict but now she's here so suddenly things are looking more her way.
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I've not been there for that discussion but she obviously does have a unique design (at least as far as female characters in One Piece go). Like, no one else in the crew is a rabbit, has her colour scheme, has her fighting style or abilities, has her personality, etc.
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Iām sorry but the first thing the guy ever said was āI want to go out to Sea and see the worldā
Not āI want to open the borders of Wano and be a diplomatā
Heās clearly in the process of getting over his whole Iām Oden phase, that was part of the point in the last chapter where he states you can call me Yamato!
Also I agree he doesnāt need Luffy to go out to sea, you seem to forget I donāt think heāll actually join, but if weāre talking about chances he has the same or higher than CarrotS
Not that I think either are joining
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Non-scientific arbitrary chance of joining (IMO):
- Carrot: 30% and decreasing.
- Yamato: 5% and increasing.
- Tama: 1% and stable.
Since this caught attention, let me elaborate:
Carrot: I think she has the strongest chance. She's already traveling with them and treated as a good friend. She can fight and take care of herself. Ignoring narrative reasons, all it needs for her to join is for her to ask. Luffy wouldn't deny it. Everyone would welcome her. I think there will even be a scene in that she's actually asked if she want to come onboard, because there's no way I can see the crew sailing off without her without at least consulting her first. However, I feel she won't go, however, and I feel that because she's not being treated as a potential main character. She seems to have a finite arc, and I think that arc will conclude with a Straw Hat defeating Perospero for her. The 30% chance is to reflect how far she has gone with the crew, but her lack of story in Wano, her appearances being often pushed to the background, and what appears to be a character arc that has a definitive end, make her chances be decreasing in my eyes.
Yamato: It's weird that Yamato even exists. He's a character that has been introduced pretty late in the arc, without a clear arc in sight, so it's hard to predict where he will end. His relationship with Ace and his desire to sail off are points in his favor, but he seems to be building a stronger link to the Kouzuki instead. He wants freedom, but it's to be free from his father and Onigashima, not exactly a pirate life. I don't think Yamato will be relevant after Wano, I feel he will find more of him/herself accept who he/she is, becoming a Kouzuki samurai. However, the more spotlight Yamato gets, higher his chances become, and we are sure to see him get a lot of story ahead. So, a small chance (5%), but with increasing odds.
Tama: I never saw her as a potential crewmate. First, because she's a kid. Second, because it's obvious that Wano will end with her in a better life, freed from poverty and starvation. Third, because her skills are pretty limited, and either overpowered or useless in a given situation. I think Tama may be to Luffy what Luffy was to Shanks, with her promising to go to sea when she grows up. But I don't think she was ever meant to go with the crew. Nothing in the story so far has shown me anything to rethink this opinion. Her appearance in Onigashima was very expected, just like she has shown foolish bravery before in Udon. So, a tiny chance (1%), just to ackowledge her as a candidate, and no change in sight.
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Yamato never said she wanted to be on Ace's ship to see the world. She had never explained why she wanted to go out to sea with Ace. I don't think she wanted to be on Ace's ship to join his crew or see the world because she told Luffy that he should give her a ride on his ship, not that he should let her ride on his ship. A ride on a ship means neither joining a crew nor seeing the world. After all, Jimbei said to the sun pirates that he wants to ride on Luffy's ship, he doesn't want a ride on his ship.
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Iām sorry but the first thing the guy ever said was āI want to go out to Sea and see the worldā
Not āI want to open the borders of Wano and be a diplomatā
If you're talking about order, it was the other way around. Chapter 984 is "I'm inhiritting Oden's will and I decided to open the borders of Wano". Only in chapter 985 he mentions the desire to go out to sea.
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Since this caught attention, let me elaborate:
Carrot: I think she has the strongest chance. She's already traveling with them and treated as a good friend. She can fight and take care of herself. Ignoring narrative reasons, all it needs for her to join is for her to ask. Luffy wouldn't deny it. Everyone would welcome her. I think there will even be a scene in that she's actually asked if she want to come onboard, because there's no way I can see the crew sailing off without her without at least consulting her first. However, I feel she won't go, however, and I feel that because she's not being treated as a potential main character. She seems to have a finite arc, and I think that arc will conclude with a Straw Hat defeating Perospero for her. The 30% chance is to reflect how far she has gone with the crew, but her lack of story in Wano, her appearances being often pushed to the background, and what appears to be a character arc that has a definitive end, make her chances be decreasing in my eyes.
Yamato: It's weird that Yamato even exists. He's a character that has been introduced pretty late in the arc, without a clear arc in sight, so it's hard to predict where he will end. His relationship with Ace and his desire to sail off are points in his favor, but he seems to be building a stronger link to the Kouzuki instead. He wants freedom, but it's to be free from his father and Onigashima, not exactly a pirate life. I don't think Yamato will be relevant after Wano, I feel he will find more of him/herself accept who he/she is, becoming a Kouzuki samurai. However, the more spotlight Yamato gets, higher his chances become, and we are sure to see him get a lot of story ahead. So, a small chance (5%), but with increasing odds.
Tama: I never saw her as a potential crewmate. First, because she's a kid. Second, because it's obvious that Wano will end with her in a better life, freed from poverty and starvation. Third, because her skills are pretty limited, and either overpowered or useless in a given situation. I think Tama may be to Luffy what Luffy was to Shanks, with her promising to go to sea when she grows up. But I don't think she was ever meant to go with the crew. Nothing in the story so far has shown me anything to rethink this opinion. Her appearance in Onigashima was very expected, just like she has shown foolish bravery before in Udon. So, a tiny chance (1%), just to acknowledge her as a candidate, and no change in sight.
I agree with this but with slight amendments. Yamato getting more focus definitely helps but I think the type of focus he has been getting hasn't helped his case. It's very Kozuki focused right now. Then for Tama I was originally on 0% for her with the idea that she would be to Luffy what he was to Shanks as the most likely choice. But her having an active role in the final conflict definitely helps and she will definitely ask Luffy is she can join, just like she did with Ace. So while Carrot's chances depend on Luffy asking her, Tama not joining depends on Luffy saying no, just like it does for Yamato (although Yamato could also end up at their own reason to not join, which I don't think Tama will have).
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It does feel like Carrot lost a lot of uniqueness and potential protagonism in this chapter, as she literally ends up sharing her thunder with Wanda.
Her Sulong form itself doesn't look unique anymore.