I'm up to episode 10 and I just couldn't keep going, I am intensely disliking their approach with this season. Matt acted like an absolute moron the minute he got into that cab (you who've seen it know what I'm talking about) and while I expect that kind of intense lapse in judgment from Jessica Jones, I have not yet been given reason to believe that Summa Cum Laude Matt Murdock, Esquire is that damn stupid so for him to be so out-of-character so spontaneously is insulting to us as an audience. I know it served a purpose but for ham's sake, they could have gone about it a different way and shown Fisk doing something more clever and devious to accomplish this instead of making Matt look like the damn fool of his own making.The people who end up being turncoats, they could have done better to make it a shock because not one of them were a surprise when it happened.I do like how Fisk is every bit as menacing from his gilded cage as he was before he went in, his speech has improved so he doesn't sound constantly in need of oxygen. Foggy's quest is probably the real high point from what I have seen (I used to hate Marcy and now I think they're perfect together). I guess I'll finish it in the next few days. From what I can tell I'm on a Karen backstory episode and I'm not that interested in it, to be honest. I like her now and I feel like going into her closet to find her skeletons will make me like her less and that's really not a good idea with a show where the characters are doing things to make me dislike them.
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Episode 10 felt very unnecessary…A full episode devoted to that was too much and could have easily been condensed.
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Especially when we could have given the time to a certain other plot point tied to the finale that really should have been explored more.
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I just realized this is 2nd time we've been given a weird territorial sub plot about
! a painting. in a Netflix Marvel series.
I can't stand Nadeem's wife.
! She's awful and I don't sympathize with her at all. Bitch do you not get that you would have been dead 10 times over? And you'd still be stressed out and whining if you knew a chunk of the FBI were hired goons. How do you expect complete honesty when you married a guy in the FBI that isn't a paper pusher? God she's so fucking stupid
Episode 13
! Part of me wanted Bullseye to secretly think he should go by the name The Tosser.
This was a pretty spoiled season. I was on edge multiple times. I'd say it was equal to or slightly better than the 2nd season. Better than purely because it didn't feel bloated with too many key focus bad guys. The absence of ninjas was greatly appreciated. Episode 1 and 10 were the only really weak episodes too me.
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I have no idea what episode I'm on. But…
! I really like who I'm assuming is Bullseye. He's much more interesting than the version from years back. Although it's a low bar lol. So is Bullseye not a meta human or a mutant? Is he just on the cusp of being super human?
! On the cusp of being superhuman for no reason. They never explain why he's so good at aiming and throwing even in the comics. Which I kind of like. It's b ait stupid, but simple and and charmingly mysterious to me.
@BellisarioFaith:Well, my friend and I binged the whole Daredevil S3 in just this weekend, haha. I thought it was awesome; hands-down the best MCU Netflix season released this year, and right up there with S1 for me as the best Netflix seasons overall. Definitely lived up to the (pretty high) hopes and expectations I had for it.
! My complaints about it are pretty mild:
-The beginning did feel rather slow-paced, like how it took until episode 3 for the first of Matt's friends to even find out about him being alive. But then again, I've been re-watching S1 lately, and things arguably started out just as slow there, with Fisk not even being introduced until the end of the third episode.
-There were some times where I felt like Matt's angst was a little bit too whiny, and his insistence at keeping his friends away from him got exasperating. Though I think Matt is sometimes intended as a character to skirt that line between justified and unsympathetic angst.
-Julie's death was so quick and anti-climactic that it took us a moment to even realize that that was actually her, and that she just died.
-That one random plotline where it turned out that Karen's boss had set her up on a blind date with his nephew, and they started having fun together. And then they found out Fisk got out of jail, Karen found out Matt was still alive, and that guy literally never appeared again and is never brought up again. What was the point?
-Speaking of dates, I was a little bummed that we didn't get more with Matt's and Karen's romantic plotline. I was kind of hoping we'd get more indication that they're on their way back to a relationship. At the same time, tho, I get it that Matt needed to reconcile his friendships with her and with Foggy first.
! Having said that, there were lots of things I loved–most of it, really--but some standouts:- Overall, I'm glad that this season gave so much focus to our main characters, where S2 felt like it was more building towards the spinoff and crossover. We finally got Karen's backstory, and with the one glaring exception of when she very stupidly told Fisk about killing Wesley, I found her more likable here. Foggy also got many chances to shine, as a lawyer, as a friend, and as a crusader for justice. And ultimately, I was very relieved that Matt didn't end up killing Fisk, since my concerns about it were the same as his friends': that it was something he wouldn't ever be able to come back from.
+That hallway fight in the jail was really awesome. It was like 15 minutes long; they outdid themselves.
+Once again, good villains this season, unlike S2, since we got Fisk back and also got Bullseye. I thought the latter's flashback in particular was good for fleshing him out and making him kind of sympathetic, while not too much so since we were frequently reminded that he's still a psychopath.
+Vanessa going all Lady Macbeth and proving that she's a worthy partner for Fisk (already implied back in the first season, but shown even more here). Shame she came back so late in the season and we didn't really get to see much of her in that role of "mob boss's complicit and active wife".
+Also ended up liking the resolution of the villains. I was pretty unsure of how they were gonna resolve Kingpin if they didn't kill him, since he knew Matt's secret and could just regain power in prison, but I think they managed to make it convincing that he'll go back to jail and the same thing won't just happen again, and the main trio will be safe (for now). And they kept Bullseye and are clearly gonna use him as a later villain, so hopefully that will work.
+Liked the overall ending, too. Makes me smile that Matt, Foggy, and Karen are going back into business together.
! So, yeah. Probably a lot more things about the season that I really liked and can't think of right now, but it was great. Looking forward to seeing what you all have to say about it.
I agree with all of this, but I have one more critique to add.
! So is nobody going to bring up how Fisk's connections and plans got way, WAY too ridiculous? I was still entertained, but extorting the whole FBI all along while in prison, knowing all the jurors' addresses from a last minute court testimony, somehow getting a hacker and secret surveillance system into his secret penthouse bunker, having Matt's taxi hijacked during a prison riot to drive him into the river, and calling his old prison when he is supposed to be constantly surveillanced and not be allowed any contact with the outside world? This isn't anything that much more more complex than Loki's plan in Avengers and especially Joker's scheme in The Dark Knight, but the twists in the second half of the season kept making me laugh at how contrived they were for more drama. This season has a bunch of narrative shortcuts like these.
! I know people will say that narratives can satisfyingly work as long as only the villains get plot convenience while the heroes don't, and we do get the most entertainment out of seeing how the hero gets out of this absurd jam the villain has cooked up beyond our wildest imaginations. But I am always the most engaged when neither of them do and everything happens consistently in a built-up subtle clever way.Episode 10 felt very unnecessary…A full episode devoted to that was too much and could have easily been condensed.
! Especially when you compare it to Poindexter's concise and poignant flashback pacing in episode 5 (still can't believe they adapted that last name and expected us to take it seriously lol).
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Especially when we could have given the time to a certain other plot point tied to the finale that really should have been explored more.
I totally agree, but you're gonna have to be more specific because that could be a bunch of things. Like:
! Making Julie's demise more climactic, exploring Kingpin's criminal underworld monopolization more beyond imposing a 25% tax, building up how and why Poindexter is getting the not-adamantium spinal surgery special treatment from a special doctor, getting more screen time with Fisk and Lady Vanessa MacBeth working together, seeing why the head FBI lady decided to rat out on herself and support Nadeem's testimony, showing where Fisk will be imprisoned since normal prison was obviously too easy for him to manipulate, or at least explaining why Matt wouldn't let Poindexter kill Fisk with the microphone aside from arrogant "I HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO END HIM" pride especially since he let Poindexter go rampant on all of the innocent oblivious FBI security.
! Also, I have to wonder… what is Matt going to wear for season four? Assuming there will be one? Will they stick with the black suit? Will he go back to the red? Or will he made a devil-esque suit since Poindexter tainted his "symbol"? And I'm still hoping that Poindexter could keep the Daredevil suit but cut off the horns and dye it black/white with a crude bullseye forehead symbol for his supervillain costume. He could get a new one, but the normal Daredevil armor already looks a lot like the Bullseye suit and I love the idea of a supervillain "stealing" the hero's costume for good (I think the only other time that happens is whenever Venom is created in Spider-Man).
@Cyclone_Baroness:I just realized this is 2nd time we've been given a weird territorial sub plot about
! a painting. in a Netflix Marvel series.
! Oh yeah, there was that Biggie painting in Luke Cage lol. And I don't know how to feel now that I can tell people MCU Bullseye killed a Holocaust survivor for a white painting to kiss up to Kingpin's wife. Half of me is thinks it's horrifying, the other thinks it's hilarious to say out loud.
! I also like the slight background detail in the finale where Daredevil punches Kingpin and the latter's blood sprays on the painting. I like to see it as a metaphor for how Daredevil as the color red has and will always stain Kingpin's ambitions from being the perfect white he has matured into.This was a pretty spoiled season. I was on edge multiple times. I'd say it was equal to or slightly better than the 2nd season. Better than purely because it didn't feel bloated with too many key focus bad guys. The absence of ninjas was greatly appreciated. Episode 1 and 10 were the only really weak episodes too me.
I think season two's problem was that they didn't make any of the bad guys after the first four episodes compelling whatsoever. I'm open to a Daredevil season that tackles multiple villains in more of a multiple arc format like the usual animated superhero show than one whole season focusing on mainly one bad guy. But that's just me. I'd also like to see Matt lawyering more. I think we've only see him partake in two court trials in this entire show, and he mostly skipped out on the second. It's funny how there is so much emphasis on how tragic it is he's leaving his civilian life behind when the show has never really shown him caring that much about it at all compared to Foggy or Karen lol.
- Overall, I'm glad that this season gave so much focus to our main characters, where S2 felt like it was more building towards the spinoff and crossover. We finally got Karen's backstory, and with the one glaring exception of when she very stupidly told Fisk about killing Wesley, I found her more likable here. Foggy also got many chances to shine, as a lawyer, as a friend, and as a crusader for justice. And ultimately, I was very relieved that Matt didn't end up killing Fisk, since my concerns about it were the same as his friends': that it was something he wouldn't ever be able to come back from.
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! The masterminding was insane lol. But it felt much more comic like to me so I enjoyed how Xanatos he got.
! I didn't mind Julie getting killed in such an anticlimactic way. It made me jump when she was suddenly killed.
! The painting situation was horrific.
! I'm not sure how they're gonna have him reclaim the image of his suit…But I mean that detective and other people did state that wasn't the real Dare Devil going on a killing spree. He'll probably just have a harder time getting people to trust him. -
A 13 episode season that didn't feel like 13 episodes. That's the power of a great showrunner and writers. Bravo!
! Not much I can say that everyone else hasn't. But, I did like how the season started, not counting Sad Matt. It felt more like the story needing him to go dark instead of naturally getting there. Before I forget, big shot out to the camera work this season. The hallway fight, Matt's conversations with Fisk and his dad, and the FBI Boss shooting the internal affairs guy were great. I predict next season's hallway fight will last half an episode and basically be a street-level version of Gandalf vs Balrog.
! Nice build up for Bullseye. Can't wait to see him, Typhoid Mary, and Pimp Stormtrooper team up against the Defenders, in my dreams. Side note: Still no Madame Gao. Doubt she or the Hand are ever coming back. May include Electra.
! The pacing was great. Only a handful of times I watched the clock (Karen's flashback being one of them). Oh! I just noticed Turk wasn't in this season. There goes his perfect record.
Back to the characters, they were the stars of the season. The veteran cast as well as the newcomers. You need several interesting characters (or one super interesting main character) to make a 13 episode season work. That's a problem with the other Marvel seasons, each to varying degrees.
! I also like Julies's death being an afterthought. She was treated like the loose end she was. And adds to how normal it is for Fisk to murder people. Wish we had more Venessa. Seriously thought she was going to die (Bullseye). Had no problems with Fat Xanatos being 77 steps ahead. That's his thing and it was fun learning more and more how far his reach went.
! Kinda don't want to say it now because I just finished watching it, but this is the best Netflix season to date. Oh! And I hope Matt and Karen never become a couple. Let that ship sail away.
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@Count Mario
! The masterminding was insane lol. But it felt much more comic like to me so I enjoyed how Xanatos he got.
! The painting situation was horrific.I also love how random and recurrent Fisk's monologues are. I feel like you could ask this guy anything and he'll go on some arbitrary tangent about his childhood or emotional philosophy. I think the old lady painting situation entertained me because it was the first time we saw someone sort of do that to Fisk at the same time.
! I didn't mind Julie getting killed in such an anticlimactic way. It made me jump when she was suddenly killed.
! I don't mind the way she died so much as how weirdly random the setup was. We go from her connecting with Poindexter at a restaurant to her showing up to a hotel lobby shot from an extreme long shot from Fisk's camera, so I had trouble telling where the scene was taking place or if she herself got shot instead of some other character. I still can't even tell if that was her hotel lobby or Dex's or Fisk's. I feel like it's Fisk's because his also had plastic sheets over it for a while to renovate, but then why would she be at Fisk's hallway?
! If we had a scene for a dozen seconds before where we see her go to this place because of a weird text she thinks is from Dex but is actually from Fisk, then everything would connect for me better.! I'm not sure how they're gonna have him reclaim the image of his suit…But I mean that detective and other people did state that wasn't the real Dare Devil going on a killing spree. He'll probably just have a harder time getting people to trust him.
! I think the best option would be Matt creating a new black and red costume that combines both of his costume designs. To show he's true Devil while harkening back to his black costume that he distinguished him from Dex in season three.
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Is his name seriously Pointdexter in the comics? And why is everybody saying it totally unironically on the show?
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Is his name seriously Pointdexter in the comics? And why is everybody saying it totally unironically on the show?
I know, right? It's so hilariously bizarre.
We never find out his true name or origin story in the comics, but he uses multiple aliases and fake backstories. Benjamin Poindexter, Lester, and Leonard. The show went with the first alias being his real name and a definitive backstory that is completely new but borrows general elements from Bullseye's Greatest Hits.
EDIT: Benjamin Poindexter is the real name for his Ultimate Universe version.
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Seriously. At least people most stuck to Dex. But I mean. Poindexter is a pretty old insult…
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I can‘t help it but everytime they say his name in a serious manner it breaks my immersion in that moment, lol. But hey, name aside I like his character so far. Am currently 6 episodes in.
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So Agents of Shield got renewed for S7 a couple days ago. With S6 still half a year away. It's what they deserve.
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Was not expecting that. Maybe Coulson and Fury's cameo generated enough hype for Marvel to ride the wave. It's a smart move. And, I hope they do an equally smart move and put season six's timeline between the 3rd and 4th Avengers movies. There's so much potential for a good story there.
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I believe they're in the middle of shooting S6 so that seems unlikely. Plus with the season airing after A4. I think you need to let go, Nectar. Only dreams now.
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Give me a sec. …Okay. How about they do half the season between the movies, then BLAM, time skip to post Avengers 4? Oh! And Coulson gets snapped giving Shield enough time to make an antidote. Yeah, I'm getting desperate, but I really want it to happen.
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Give me a sec. …Okay. How about they do half the season between the movies, then BLAM, time skip to post Avengers 4? Oh! And Coulson gets snapped giving Shield enough time to make an antidote. Yeah, I'm getting desperate, but I really want it to happen.
! I do wonder about Coulson. It really seems like he's not in S6. Which makes sense considering where we left off, of course. But might he be back for S7? Thanks to some finger-snapping/unsnapping like you brought up? I wonder if they could pull that o…h they could. I know they could.
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So Daredevil was cancelled … I have two thoughts on that:
1. It was a good season, and it ended on a good note. If this is the end, at least - with that one tiny exception - there are no loose ends.
2. Will Disney continue these shows on their streaming service? Don't know the streaming numbers for Daredevil, but I assume it isn't lower than most of what else Netflix puts out, which get season after season.
The second season of Punisher is already filming or has done filming, I recall. Won't get cancelled before it's released. Jessica Jones ... who knows.
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Disney streaming service will only focus on family friendly content and reps have stated there are no plans to move the Netflix shows over there.
Jessica Jones season three is filming right now so it will prpbably get finished.
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Besides the stinger at the end of season 3 the ending felt like a good end for the whole series, so all is good even with the cancelation.
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Marvel gave a statement hinting at something more for Daredevil. But, it's vague, could mean almost anything. Comes down to whether they want to continue this universe and where to put it. Is this how far Disney is willing to go for all ages content? My paranoid senses are tingling. Maybe, the Deadpool PG-13 thing is Disney testing if a toned down Deadpool could still make the monies and go forward with that. They could always sell future R/X-rated versions on blu ray.
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Well, that's really surprising. And I was really looking forward to another Daredevil season with Bullseye in his proper Bullseye costume.
But now that they've cancelled their flagship series, I don't expect much of a future for the Marvel Netflixverse. Since they're in production, I imagine they'll finish up and air Punisher season 2 and Jessica Jones season 3, but then that'll probably be it.
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On the one hand we can expect Disney to at least give the ol' college try to making these series good, and for them to put in quite a nice budget even for non-theatrical stuff, but the drawback is their family-friendly agenda dominating everything else. Why not make a Disney 18 kind of network for this type of content? Both Star Wars and Marvel deserve the potential for no-holds-barred content. Even Once Upon a Time makes an effort to do that with their prior kid-friendly properties.
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Wow. I am really disappointed by that Jigsaw makeup. Even the films did a better job with that.
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My only question is how long are they gonna wait before announcing season 3 is canceled?
I give it a week.
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Punisher Season 2 only up to episode 6.
! Starting off with the cons.
! I can't stand the grifter girl. She's annoying and I can't really feel sorry for her. Also I don't get how she had never heard of the punisher. I didn't get the feeling she had been on the run for long enough to have missed his news debut in the Dare Devil Ninjas mess.
! The doctor's motivation for anything makes little sense to me. Midina (sp?) Is kinda in the same boat. But at least her desire for revenge at the beginning makes sense.
! Jigsaw does not look horrifying enough to justify his "why me?" Or how some people react to him. It's like that beauty and the beast remake a few years back where the prince still looked good he just had embellished details. Like ornate scars…
! Pros. Awesome fight scenes. The gym was hard to watch.
! I like both villains. But really all this death over a gay kiss picture? CripesEpisode 7
! Forensic girl is my favorite new character lol. She's such a dork.
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! Why are all the medical examiners so quirky in this? Lol.
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Yeah, Disney eventually owning a two-thirds share in Hulu as a result of buying Fox made it only a matter of time until all of those shows bit the dust.
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Hawkeye Series Starring Jeremy Renner in the Works at Disney+
Variety has learned from sources that Disney’s upcoming streaming service is officially developing a limited series based on the archery ace Marvel character with Renner attached to star. The project is said to be an adventure series in which Clint Barton, a.k.a. Hawkeye, will pass the torch to Kate Bishop. Bishop is a Marvel Comics character who took up the Hawkeye mantle after Barton. She is also a member of the group known as the Young Avengers.
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/hawkeye-series-jeremy-renner-disney-plus-1203183398/
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I just got home from watching Endgame. The following is not exactly spoilers, but…
! …I don't think you should open this if you haven't seen the movie, Jim.
! >! Anyway. Fuck AoS's drag, right? Now what will they do to keep things in line? I'm sure they can manage. I just sincerely hope they were aware of Endgame's plot. It was great, by the way. -
I just got home from watching Endgame. The following is not exactly spoilers, but…
! …I don't think you should open this if you haven't seen the movie, Jim.
! >! Anyway. Fuck AoS's drag, right? Now what will they do to keep things in line? I'm sure they can manage. I just sincerely hope they were aware of Endgame's plot. It was great, by the way.I mean my guess is either (endgame spoilers)
! option 1. The voice lines we've heard that seem to be taking place right after Coulson and May will just be setting up the season, with it taking place 5 years later with Mack and his SHIELD having been trying to keep things in line, with the season proper taking place after Endgame.
! Or Option 2(which I think is more likely) which is them simply operating right after the snap and playing it into their plot.
! Or Option 3(which I really really don't want) which is that they pretty much brush off the effects of IW with the plot still taking place in the 5 years before Endgame but with little mention of the effect of the dusting.
! Or Option 4. While searching for frozen Fitz, they end up spending the season off world, with maybe a few mentions of species like the Kree loosing people from the dusting. -
Yeah, I overreacted XD
I can see option 1 happening for sure. 2 would be cool, but harder to justify, I think.
! Why did every (?) Agent of Shield survive the Snappening would be my question in case of option 2. But it would be cool, so I wouldn't really mind…
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I can see option 1 happening for sure. 2 would be cool, but harder to justify, I think.
! Why did every (?) Agent of Shield survive the Snappening would be my question in case of option 2. But it would be cool, so I wouldn't really mind…
Half joking, maybe to balance out the fact that
! it looks like almost all of Spidey's class was dusted. The Teacher possibly could not have(as we wouldn't see him age much over 5 years).
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Agents of SHIELD Season 6 trailer
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^You know, someone should make a compilation of slow, sad versions of songs.
When does this take place?! Was that birds or snap ash? I'm gonna be so mad if they mishandle the snapping.
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We're back!
Agents of Shield, S6 Ep1 - Missing Pieces
! I'm glad to have this show back, but this episode didn't quite wow me. I feel like that's what usually happens at the beginning of a season though. I always have to get used to new cirumstances. Like lots of new Shield agents. And new relationships. And no Coulsons.
! Team Deep Space was cool, even though they're not great representation for Terrans. They're the worst. Jemma is also being the worst by railroading the party.
! Yo-Yo and (I think his name is) Keller need some more development before I can start to judge them. Harshly.
! Mack is directoring and he seems to be good at it. But he needs to let go of the past. Like he let go of Yo-Yo.
! A group of people including not-Coulson seem to be on the run from some big threat. At least that's what I got out of wall-guy.
! And Fitz is doing space things. Which was kind of creepy.
! That's about it. I hope I get more to talk about next week considering we only get 13 episodes this season. -
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! There was no sign that the snap happened. A year has passed from the end of Infinity war, putting this a year after the snap. Yet the entirety of the SHIELD team is intact, society looks fine, and no mention of it.
! That's kind of bad. If they had decided last year to just ignore infinity war and have their season finish before it, it would be fine. But they made a point to specifically have Thanos involved in the PLOT, with him being the direct reason Graviton was going to accidentally cause the destruction of the earth. -
New season of shield
This episode reminded me of the begenning of s3. A lot of table setting for the future with nothing real big.
! No idea what's going on with Fitz but I'm looking forward to it. I am not a fan of how the past just randomly changed last season but Fitz is by far my favorite actor in the show and he does magic with anything they give him.Also he is always rescuing and sacrificing for Jemma so want I her to be the one doing it this time and succeeding.
! I like our side characters arguing they are real human beings and not just props especially in a crew of four. I wonder how long they will stay in space since Alt Coulson seems like something the whole team should face.
! May seems to be more open after her time with Coulson. But also less sharp if Yoyo is truly fooling her. I wonder what that friend of Andrew is about. By that I mean his studies. Is he just vaguely a scientist?
! So I say alternate earth as in multiverse foor this new ragtag team. I'm not sure why they bring a truck in their trip. I'm liking the expression of this alt Coulson. He looks mean.
! Honestly at this point I think it's better to consider the show and the series as 2 entities. I realized I prefer it that way at the end of last season. It would have just sucked for me to know Coulson lived his last days in an apocalyptic world. And even with this season I wouldn't be a fan of Black widow not being a part of that new shield. To me clearly in endgame she is the new Fury and it takes from it if there's that fully functionning shield on the side. Also time travel is different.We're back!
Agents of Shield, S6 Ep1 - Missing Pieces
! Team Deep Space was cool, even though they're not great representation for Terrans. They're the worst. Jemma is also being the worst by railroading the party.
! Yo-Yo and (I think his name is) Keller need some more development before I can start to judge them. Harshly.
! Mack is directoring and he seems to be good at it. But he needs to let go of the past. Like he let go of Yo-Yo.! They are only humas with barely any crew or technology. They better look mean if they want to survive.
! That new boyfriend is definetely dying.
! Mack seems fine to me. Making a academy to Coulson is him honoring him. And he takes Coulson adviice to heart like Coulson would with Fury–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Pretty disappointed so far about the handling of the big elephant in the room
! There was no sign that the snap happened. A year has passed from the end of Infinity war, putting this a year after the snap. Yet the entirety of the SHIELD team is intact, society looks fine, and no mention of it.
! That's kind of bad. If they had decided last year to just ignore infinity war and have their season finish before it, it would be fine. But they made a point to specifically have Thanos involved in the PLOT, with him being the direct reason Graviton was going to accidentally cause the destruction of the earth.! They probably didn't know there would be a time jump in the movie.
! I honestly prefer them to service their own plot rather than constantly trry to shove themselves into the movies narratives.
! But I'm sure in later episodes they might make a couple comment to square that circle. I just personally think it's time to let that one-way connection die.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
! I wonder how Fitz will feel about Jemma being married to another version of him
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Agents of (No) Continuity
! Took me a while to watch the episode because I heard they're ignoring the Snap. Isn't that why we watch the show (one big reason at least)? For continuity? Marvel's Film and TV division just can't get along. I heard Kevin Feige and the Marvels TV head hate each other. Not sure how much, if any of that, is true. Well, I'm several seasons in and like most of the cast so I'm staying.
! Well, the episode was standard SHIELD. The aliens are budget saving human looking. The new agents are okay. At least they have hints of personality. You'd think May or Mack would notice a woman wearing a psudo military/fight gear coming out a museum. They really are short on brains.
! Want more Fitz. Jemma is awesome as always and I'm actually liking Mack as leader. He's trying. Too bad his relationship with Yo-Yo took the hit. Oh, and since when does Shield want to shoot aliens with ship weapons after one warning in ENGLISH? He was just standing there. I don't think they saw his weapon. And, don't pull that Infinity War alien invasion crap on me. If you ignored it, so can I.Pretty disappointed so far about the handling of the big elephant in the room
! There was no sign that the snap happened. A year has passed from the end of Infinity war, putting this a year after the snap. Yet the entirety of the SHIELD team is intact, society looks fine, and no mention of it.
! That's kind of bad. If they had decided last year to just ignore infinity war and have their season finish before it, it would be fine. But they made a point to specifically have Thanos involved in the PLOT, with him being the direct reason Graviton was going to accidentally cause the destruction of the earth.! Agreed. It's annoying. Sorry, AoS. I like you, but without your connection to the MCU I'd had dropped you years ago. I'm glad we got a shorter season now. Man, I'm salty but the snap is such a huge game changer, it should be focused on. I'd rather see a season about that than this. And, I refuse to believe the showrunners couldn't know in advanced the basic timeline of Endgame. Either it was bad communication or the showrunners thought it too much of a hassle to incorporate the snapping in the show (who dies, what should Shield be doing, etc.).
New season of shield
This episode reminded me of the begenning of s3. A lot of table setting for the future with nothing real big.
! I wonder how Fitz will feel about Jemma being married to another version of him
lol That never crossed my mind. And…
! he also doesn't know about Deke.
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Agents of (No) Continuity
! Took me a while to watch the episode because I heard they're ignoring the Snap. Isn't that why we watch the show (one big reason at least)? For continuity? Marvel's Film and TV division just can't get along. I heard Kevin Feige and the Marvels TV head hate each other. Not sure how much, if any of that, is true. Well, I'm several seasons in and like most of the cast so I'm staying.
! Is it? I mean they usually have 1 mention in the show following the movie. Using Thanos as a crutch is probably the first big thing since the first season.
! Agreed. It's annoying. Sorry, AoS. I like you, but without your connection to the MCU I'd had dropped you years ago. I'm glad we got a shorter season now. Man, I'm salty but the snap is such a huge game changer, it should be focused on. I'd rather see a season about that than this. And, I refuse to believe the showrunners couldn't know in advanced the basic timeline of Endgame. Either it was bad communication or the showrunners thought it too much of a hassle to incorporate the snapping in the show (who dies, what should Shield be doing, etc.).
! Considering how vague they were with Thanos I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know about a timeskip and kinda assumed a 1 year later would mean everything is fixed.
lol That never crossed my mind. And…
! he also doesn't know about Deke.
! I doubt he would care much for Deke but I could see him having problem reconciling that Jemma bonded and got married with a different person than him even if they are the same in a sense. Seems like the kind of Classic Fitz mind fuck I could see playing out.
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! Is it? I mean they usually have 1 mention in the show following the movie. Using Thanos as a crutch is probably the first big thing since the first season.
! Considering how vague they were with Thanos I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know about a timeskip and kinda assumed a 1 year later would mean everything is fixed.
! I doubt he would care much for Deke but I could see him having problem reconciling that Jemma bonded and got married with a different person than him even if they are the same in a sense. Seems like the kind of Classic Fitz mind fuck I could see playing out.
I'm talking close connections and being in the MCU in general. If this was a series set in our world I'd had dropped it season one. I still would have if it wasn't for Hydra's takeover. That made the show worth watching IMO. Without them adapting Winter Soldier no way I'd still be into AoS.
As for whether the showrunners knew or chose not to adapt Endgame, everything I've read so far points to the writers not knowing well enough in advance. That's ridiculous. Marvel Film and TV should have better communication. And, if its a spoiler issue either have the team deal with a snapped world or set everything "years later". At the end of the day, Marvel dropped the ball at adapting one of the biggest movies in years to their TV series. Huge waste of story potential.
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I'm talking close connections and being in the MCU in general. If this was a series set in our world I'd had dropped it season one. I still would have if it wasn't for Hydra's takeover. That made the show worth watching IMO. Without them adapting Winter Soldier no way I'd still be into AoS.
I agree being in the world helps it. But aside from winter soldier I don't think the movies plots help it. Ultron stopping the 2 shield conflict was weird. I'm still unsure about what they did with the registration that was important. Or how weird it is that they never appear anywhere in the movies.
I don't think they are losing the world just the specific tie-in they try doing after each movie.
As for whether the showrunners knew or chose not to adapt Endgame, everything I've read so far points to the writers not knowing well enough in advance. That's ridiculous. Marvel Film and TV should have better communication. And, if its a spoiler issue either have the team deal with a snapped world or set everything "years later". At the end of the day, Marvel dropped the ball at adapting one of the biggest movies in years to their TV series. Huge waste of story potential.
That's my thing tho. The movies clearly don't give a damn about the shows so I don't need them bending backwards to fit into them also. And based on everything I'm certain they went as blind as everyone else because the movie side just doesn't care about the show and never had. It's clear they are pretty much working off the trailers to try to fit.
But I'm sure they'll bent backward to try to fit a couple of stuff to make it fit better in later episodes. Maybe a weird timeskip in the middle of the season.
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The really frustrating part is that
! they could have easily written around a five year timeskip if they had known. Sure, several relationships and dynamics would have been changed (more), but that could have been interesting. It's just so evident that the movie people don't give a damn about keeping AoS informed in the least. Ultimately, everything will be fine of course, once it gets revealed that AoS has somehow shifted into a parallel universe in which all Thanos ever wanted was to construct the most balanced scale.Whatever happens, I'm loyal to this show. It's 100+ hours of character development. And the movies are… fun.
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I agree, I'm still gonna watch(plus it's timing helps since all the DC shows seasons will be ending), but it really is offputting that they're just dropping the continuity.
Because again, THEY wrote Thanos into the last season. They didn't have to. They could have easily not mentioned Infinity War at all, with the context being it simply ended before the events of IW.
But they specifically chose to mention Thanos, mention his followers' attack in Manhattan, and that the Avengers are engaging in battle with them.
They knew it was a story divided between 2 movies.
So that's why it really rubs me the wrong way that they just dropped continuity this season out of nowhere.
I defend SHIELD as the ONE Marvel show that at least attempted to maintain active ties to the films. Even if (except for one character from Agent Carter) it was a one-way street, at least this show tried.
We had Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Lady Sif, President Ellis, Sitwell, Gideon Mallack, Dr List, and the Howling Commandos all appear in the show. While it didn't impact the narratives of the film, we saw the plot effected by the films constantly. Coulson hiding the details on the Theta protocol(the hellicarrier and it's team shown in Age of Ultron) is a point of contention with the other Shield and members questioning his secrets. The Sakovia Accords are shown to directly impact newly transformed Inhumans, and results in SHIELD once again becoming a government group.
It truly feels like it takes place in the same universe. Unlike Daredevil and the netflix shows, this felt like it easily was the same universe where the Avengers lived. As opposed to being just New York that had an alien attack that people almost never talk about while ignoring literally every other aspect of the MCU.
So yeah, it just feels incredibly lazy that they chose to just ignore things that they introduced in the preceding episodes of their own show.
And I know Marvel and Disney are really protective about spoilers and stuff, and that Marvel TV is it's own separate division, but could they really not get ANY info on Endgame? Just enough context to frame their season? They clearly do have SOME connection because -as I stated above- plotlines from the films have impacted the show directly before. The episodes are made months in advance. The last chunk of the first season was written clearly with the knowledge of Winter Solider.
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And I know Marvel and Disney are really protective about spoilers and stuff, and that Marvel TV is it's own separate division, but could they really not get ANY info on Endgame? Just enough context to frame their season? They clearly do have SOME connection because -as I stated above- plotlines from the films have impacted the show directly before. The episodes are made months in advance. The last chunk of the first season was written clearly with the knowledge of Winter Solider.
Wasn't that around the time the Wheadon brothers were in both?
Like I said I expect them to make an akward jump forward. I don't think they split voluntarily. I think they did accidently because they knew about as much as those watching trailers. So they didn't know that the timeline wouldn't work.
! Usually marvel movies are basically real time so they expected to be after the snap not lagging behind by 4 years. They probably would have had the space trip be that long.
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Yes it seems that after Joss Whedon left Marvel Studios,his brother Jed Whedon and his wife no longer knew what was happening in the movies,just some things here and there,but the first two seasons (when Joss was still at Marvel) were more connected.
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Agents of Shield, S6Ep2 - Window of Opportunity
! Good episode. Unfortunately, team deep deep space wasn't in it until the very end. The very frustrating end! Fitz and Simmons better reunite during episode 3 because we don't have a lot of time.
! Team Sarge hasn't really impressed me so far. May handled them just fine on her own and they are needlessly aggressive in their approach. Why sweet-talk the jeweler person into opening the vault and then threaten her immediately after? Weird. Maybe that's what passes for fun to Sarge. Personally, I would prefer playing with those portals. That was cool. Anyway, the name Coulson does ring a bell for Sarge which is interesting. I don't really have a satisfying theory to explain that yet. Just complicated ideas. And he and his group are either fleeing from something and/or calling something to planets. I am interested in that part. But I would like the individual people of this team to be a little more intriguing. I can only hear about butterflies so many times.
! Yo-Yo and Keller is already an open secret. It's too bad that Keller hasn't been doing anything so I have no reason to care about him yet.
! And Fitz and Enoch just got themselves a crew if they want it. Or they'll just drop them off somewhere and be on their merry way. My question is: has every instance of Fitz always been on these space adventures or is this a new development for this particular timeline? If so, what changed? Yes, I know Robin. Something's different. If nothing has changed, then why wouldn't Simmons know about all this? Fitz would have told her at some point.
! Fun episode but I want to see more of Daisy and Simmons next week.