! Hell, he seems to be going for an Animated Series Joker look.
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! This guy does remind me of Joker design-wise (and also the pulp comic hero The Shadow, especially when he wore thick clothes) and acts like Magneto, but his whole company CEO angle reminds me of Lex Luthor. And that is something I have wanted from a villain in this series for a long time. A secretly corrupt businessman whose company endeavors put more of the series' worldbuilding into focus. Learning a bit about how there are businesses dedicated to making customized lifestyle necessities for Quirks is really cool, and I hope it gets expanded upon with the Superpower Liberation history.
! Murdering that employee felt too much of a random try-hard twist though. Horikoshi can do better. But on the plus side, I really like the ending. I forgot that Bakugo and Shoto were even taking several remedial classes and not just one lol. But even then, it did not need to be shown. I like how this arc will start woth supporting characters running into a villain for once instead of Deku on a trip to the movies lol.
! Honestly, I'm actually kind of excited for this arc! It has been a long while since I felt like that. Not since… Overhaul got introduced. And this could easily become another Overhaul. The past couple arcs felt like reading the series out of obligation with something a bit cool once in a while when I'm not worrying about quality downgrading or not being able to follow the action. But I can be optimistic. Especially because I like this new antagonist's design more than Overhaul and even a bit more than Gentle. It's simple but neat. Fun but sinister depending on the tone.
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! Yeah, can't be looking so much like Joker and not kill someone in first appearance. That was a little silly, though. Was that the only way to reveal he was bonkers? Remember Destro was mentioned before, but don't remember when.
! So, Joker and Magneto so far. Can't wait to see his superpower. Wouldn't dare giving him my own nickname before that.His name sounded familiar to me as well, I looked it up and Gentle Criminal mentioned him in 171.
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! Are we going with Mark Hamill or Jack Nicholson?
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! I'm disappointed Destro doesn't look like GI Joe Destro.
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! I'm cracking up cause someone said Destro was the son of the Joker and Penguin.
! Also more little things in this chapter that just make the story more enjoyable. Mina running to go play in the snow too. For some reason I thought Kirishima was Tetsutetsu snd I was like…Did he stay the night or something? Lol. And then also Sero borrows manga from Todoroki? Whaaaat? Lol. Manga question being. What type could it be? Also I'm surprised he reads any.
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! It always surprises me a bit when there's a bona fide death in this series, since, up until an arc or two, that never really happened.
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! I'm disappointed Destro doesn't look like GI Joe Destro.
! I'm holding out hope Hori's saving it for Tetsutetsu's dad.
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! I thought Joker/Penguin was not Destro. I thought all of them were his kids, included Pointy-nose.
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! Cautiously optimistic for this arc.
! The new villain seems cool enough, though yea, him killing his assistant felt like Horikoshi was trying too hard indeed.
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! Damn, that was a solid chapter… it's been a while since I've actually been excited for a new arc.
! The assistant slaying thing was definitely campy and over the top but Jokerguin seems interesting.. wondering if the mask is part of his quirk. Think this is the third(?) time we've heard of Destro now, once from Gentle and then that guy before the Noumu attack in the Hawks/Endeavor arc had the book, so I was kind of surprised he's actually dead since I was expecting prison shenanigans with OFA.
! Really digging the art on the last page too. That villain is the same guy from the Present Mic flashback right?@K.:
! I thought Joker/Penguin was not Destro. I thought all of them were his kids, included Pointy-nose.
! Right.
Finally, here's the image:
! [qimg]https://i.imgur.com/ckvlJKD.png[/qimg]
See how annoyed Aizawa seems to be by Nejire blabbing? Coincidence? I think not, that a Chekov classmate.! Nice connect with the Nejire thing. And seems like we're already getting a payoff.. that was him at the end I think?
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His name sounded familiar to me as well, I looked it up and Gentle Criminal mentioned him in 171.
! Destro's been mentioned twice.
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! Damn, that was a solid chapter… it's been a while since I've actually been excited for a new arc.
! The assistant slaying thing was definitely campy and over the top but Jokerguin seems interesting.. wondering if the mask is part of his quirk. Think this is the third(?) time we've heard of Destro now, once from Gentle and then that guy before the Noumu attack in the Hawks/Endeavor arc had the book, so I was kind of surprised he's actually dead since I was expecting prison shenanigans with OFA.
! Really digging the art on the last page too. That villain is the same guy from the Present Mic flashback right?! Right.
! Nice connect with the Nejire thing. And seems like we're already getting a payoff.. that was him at the end I think?
! That could very well be that guy. Since the name is like white clouds or something. And his quirk seemed to be something along those lines.
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@Count:
! This guy does remind me of Joker design-wise (and also the pulp comic hero The Shadow, especially when he wore thick clothes) and acts like Magneto, but his whole company CEO angle reminds me of Lex Luthor. And that is something I have wanted from a villain in this series for a long time. A secretly corrupt businessman whose company endeavors put more of the series' worldbuilding into focus. Learning a bit about how there are businesses dedicated to making customized lifestyle necessities for Quirks is really cool, and I hope it gets expanded upon with the Superpower Liberation history.
! He actually reminds me a lot of a Norman Osborne/Green Goblin hybrid, in terms of design and profession.
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! He actually reminds me a lot of a Norman Osborne/Green Goblin hybrid, in terms of design and profession.
! That parallel might actually make even more sense considering how much Horikoshi loves Spider-Man! And Normie is basically a Joker/Lex fusion (but not as compelling a character as either).
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! Really digging the art on the last page too. That villain is the same guy from the Present Mic flashback right?
! Going by Aizawa's friend and this villain guy's hair I don't think they're the same guy. But, I love where you were going with this. Now, I want that guy to be part of the Liberation Army.
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! Going by Aizawa's friend and this villain guy's hair I don't think they're the same guy. But, I love where you were going with this. Now, I want that guy to be part of the Liberation Army.
! Hehe, yeah it is a bit of a reach right now but for me - it's just the combination of the hair seeming similiar enough to possibly be the guy and Shirakumo's quirk has a nice chance of being cloud related from his name; while it may be premature the mystery villains quirk does seem like it could be just that.
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I like the new villain, I hope we got to learn his name soon, but maybe he will have two of them, one for the empresary and other for the villain, but for now I am gonna call him Destro Jr.
His little comercial was actually pretty fun and I liked his comedy routine with the bear guy. Like someone already said, killing his assistant so fast was a little overkill, maybe it would have worked better if he showed the intent, but then didn´t do it, maybe killing him later for a good reason (hearing a conversation, finding something illegal and reporting to him, etc)
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It was cartoonishly bad. I'd expect something like that in Fairy Tail, for example. Here it looked awkward, forced and clumsy. They're in a company building, not a hidden lair. Your employee doesn't share your beliefs? A smart villain can think of dozens of things he can do with him. And how the hell does he only find out about what he's thinking now? You'd think he'd make sure that someone who will practically become his right hand man in the company shares his own beliefs?
Naaah, lot smarter to let the man progress through the ranks and then pop a life or death question. Sloppy!
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Looking back at it, I'm betting it's because our new villain has been using Detnerat's new hero support gear for Liberation Army schemes. I think we'll end up seeing a fair amount of cool support items this arc, which is something we haven't seen villains do much of yet! The assistant was likely in a position to put it all together and expose Jokeguin Osborne- if he had simply disagreed with the idea they might have worked something out, but calling the LA terrorists leaves little room for compromise.
It's still pretty cheesy, but there's enough there to kind of justify it in-universe, plus it gives us a hint at Yotsubashi Jr.'s berserk button. I'll feel less bad about it if the assistant isn't actually dead but is brainwashed/transformed in some way. Mainly because I want to see someone fight a bear.
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^ Totally agree about the hero support items being a front for building LA gear. That'll be their strength against, well, everyone. The heroes got their training, The League has Nomus, and The Liberation Army has the technology.
I love Destro Jr. killing his assistant. Bad mouthing the LA is the one thing he can never tolerate. It's a quick and classic way of showing someone's a villain. That whole scene was good. From this chapter alone we know what DJ's all about. Also, in the Viz version, the narration said Destro didn't know he had a child, not children. That makes much more sense.
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I mostly agree with Razh, but I think my issue isn't that Jokeguin Osborn did something bad to his employee. Wanting to get across how unhinged this guy is to establish his character is fine on paper. My issue is more how cheesy, sudden, kind of unnecessary, and try hard the execution was for the very first chapter we see this guy. I've seen this exact scenario with other villains like Kingpin in Netflix's Daredevil, Cottonmouth in Netflix's Luke Cage, and Mozgus in Berserk. But unlike those series, it feels way too random, unearned, and uncharismatic here. Especially right after exposition dumping the Liberation Army for the first time in the story. I have no connection with that motivation yet, I only just learned about this new CEO guy, I don't care about the employee at all yet, and it's a cliche telegraphed twist you can see a mile away.
If it was done in a much more clever or subtle way, like staging a car accident or planting criminal evidence in his office or something, then this character twist would feel a lot better in taste. Hell, you don't even have to show what happens to the employee, which is fine because he's a nobody we aren't attached too, the scene should just be about the villain. Rework the scene to have the two guys agree to disagree or Jokeguin Osborn feign an agreement, bear employee leaves the room, then have JO flip open his cell phone to order a hit or corporate sabotage on the employee. Simple, chilling, and way less obnoxious.
But instead, we got a scene that goes way too over the top to make this guy seem scary right out the gate that only reminds me of a scene from FOX's Daredevil movie that nobody likes talking about.
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I won't tolerate anything that reminds me of that movie besides Colin Farrell's hilarious acting as Bullseye.
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@Count:
I mostly agree with Razh, but I think my issue isn't that Jokeguin Osborn did something bad to his employee. Wanting to get across how unhinged this guy is to establish his character is fine on paper. My issue is more how cheesy, sudden, kind of unnecessary, and try hard the execution was for the very first chapter we see this guy. I've seen this exact scenario with other villains like Kingpin in Netflix's Daredevil, Cottonmouth in Netflix's Luke Cage, and Mozgus in Berserk. But unlike those series, it feels way too random, unearned, and uncharismatic here. Especially right after exposition dumping the Liberation Army for the first time in the story. I have no connection with that motivation yet, I only just learned about this new CEO guy, I don't care about the employee at all yet, and it's a cliche telegraphed twist you can see a mile away.
If it was done in a much more clever or subtle way, like staging a car accident or planting criminal evidence in his office or something, then this character twist would feel a lot better in taste. Hell, you don't even have to show what happens to the employee, which is fine because he's a nobody we aren't attached too, the scene should just be about the villain. Rework the scene to have the two guys agree to disagree or Jokeguin Osborn feign an agreement, bear employee leaves the room, then have JO flip open his cell phone to order a hit or corporate sabotage on the employee. Simple, chilling, and way less obnoxious.
But instead, we got a scene that goes way too over the top to make this guy seem scary right out the gate that only reminds me of a scene from FOX's Daredevil movie that nobody likes talking about.
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I won't tolerate anything that reminds me of that movie besides Colin Farrell's hilarious acting as Bullseye.
It definitely hits just the wrong balance between unhinged and calculating. CEO de Bergerac is 100% controlled and kills the guy in a pretty calm way, which undermines the idea that insulting the LA/his father (please don't boil this down to daddy issues, Hori) is what's such a touchy issue. And that being a berserk button is the only thing that halfway justifies killing Assistant Teddy on the spot. Having him call in a vague hit on the guy and showing up for the villain reveal would have been a lot more fun.
Colin Farrell is 100% the only redeeming feature of that movie. He goes full Nic Cage and it fucking works.
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I like the new villain, I hope we got to learn his name soon, but maybe he will have two of them, one for the empresary and other for the villain, but for now I am gonna call him Destro Jr.
His little comercial was actually pretty fun and I liked his comedy routine with the bear guy. Like someone already said, killing his assistant so fast was a little overkill, maybe it would have worked better if he showed the intent, but then didn´t do it, maybe killing him later for a good reason (hearing a conversation, finding something illegal and reporting to him, etc)
It was cartoonishly bad. I'd expect something like that in Fairy Tail, for example. Here it looked awkward, forced and clumsy. They're in a company building, not a hidden lair. Your employee doesn't share your beliefs? A smart villain can think of dozens of things he can do with him. And how the hell does he only find out about what he's thinking now? You'd think he'd make sure that someone who will practically become his right hand man in the company shares his own beliefs?
Naaah, lot smarter to let the man progress through the ranks and then pop a life or death question. Sloppy!
Always funny that when a similar gesture is done in another series (a series in which this forum's namesake comes from) nobody really bats an eye because they're smart enough to realize that its meant to establish the malice intent of the character in question to set the story moving forward but because MHA has the antagonist kill someone over opposing views its apparently "too much" or "cartoonish" then go back to praising a villain who wants to kill a child for laughing at him and another villain for killing one night stands. Bad enough that these past few months has made any sort of serious critical discussion about this series near impossible because people are either too dumb to articulate their thoughts hat doesn't make them sound like a mindless detractor. FYI this is nothing like Fairy Tail and even bringing that as a comparison proves my point since the villains in FT aren't given any proper introduction or characterization which just told that they're the badguys and must be stop for whatever reason.
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@Count:
I mostly agree with Razh, but I think my issue isn't that Jokeguin Osborn did something bad to his employee. Wanting to get across how unhinged this guy is to establish his character is fine on paper. My issue is more how cheesy, sudden, kind of unnecessary, and try hard the execution was for the very first chapter we see this guy. I've seen this exact scenario with other villains like Kingpin in Netflix's Daredevil, Cottonmouth in Netflix's Luke Cage, and Mozgus in Berserk. But unlike those series, it feels way too random, unearned, and uncharismatic here. Especially right after exposition dumping the Liberation Army for the first time in the story. I have no connection with that motivation yet, I only just learned about this new CEO guy, I don't care about the employee at all yet, and it's a cliche telegraphed twist you can see a mile away.
…...we've literally seen the effect Destro's book had on people who read it and were drawn by his philosophies over 30 chapters ago. This should come to know surprise if you aren't reading at the speed of sound like half of you do.
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@Lindt:
Always funny that when a similar gesture is done in another series (a series in which this forum's namesake comes from) nobody really bats an eye because they're smart enough to realize that its meant to establish the malice intent of the character in question to set the story moving forward but because MHA has the antagonist kill someone over opposing views its apparently "too much" or "cartoonish" then go back to praising a villain who wants to kill a child for laughing at him and another villain for killing one night stands. Bad enough that these past few months has made any sort of serious critical discussion about this series near impossible because people are either too dumb to articulate their thoughts hat doesn't make them sound like a mindless detractor. FYI this is nothing like Fairy Tail and even bringing that as a comparison proves my point since the villains in FT aren't given any proper introduction or characterization which just told that they're the badguys and must be stop for whatever reason.
Shouldn't assume things like that, though (and still have the nerve to criticize). I for one am very critical of OP.
Don't see what the problem is in comparing one dumb element in a good manga to another similar dumb element in another bad manga. Bad writing is bad, no matter what the rest of the work looks like.
And try to be less of a meanie, chocolate.
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@Lindt:
Always funny that when a similar gesture is done in another series (a series in which this forum's namesake comes from) nobody really bats an eye because they're smart enough to realize that its meant to establish the malice intent of the character in question to set the story moving forward but because MHA has the antagonist kill someone over opposing views its apparently "too much" or "cartoonish" then go back to praising a villain who wants to kill a child for laughing at him and another villain for killing one night stands. Bad enough that these past few months has made any sort of serious critical discussion about this series near impossible because people are either too dumb to articulate their thoughts hat doesn't make them sound like a mindless detractor. FYI this is nothing like Fairy Tail and even bringing that as a comparison proves my point since the villains in FT aren't given any proper introduction or characterization which just told that they're the badguys and must be stop for whatever reason.
First, stop with the straw man argument. Nobody is complaining about characters killing each other over insane ideological differences. People are complaining because of the context, execution, and pacing of those moments in the manga.
Second, Orochi works because he was established for several chapters on-panel and dozens of chapters off-panel as a petty corrupt king. That, and there are despots in real life throughout history who have severely punished people for the most minor ridiculous circumstances because said despots act more like playground ringleader bullies rather than mature responsible leaders.
Also, the difference between Orochi and Destro Jr. is that the former is actually supposed to look "cartoonish." Hence the right goofy looking snake heads and his human face looking like a Studio Ghibli character. We're not supposed to view him as the most intimidating villain yet, but a vain man-child who only brings tension from the sense of his monarchy influence vastly outnumbering the main characters' capabilities.
There are leagues between that kind of impression and this latest chapter trying to unironically unnerve us with a superhero support tech CEO being a philosophical nut that strangles employees in his own office who coincidentally badmouth his life ideology.
…...we've literally seen the effect Destro's book had on people who read it and were drawn by his philosophies over 30 chapters ago. This should come to know surprise if you aren't reading at the speed of sound like half of you do.
All we got before this chapter was a "Meta Liberation Army Leader" namedrop and design of Destro from Gentle recounting a bunch of other characters who have yet to appear and thus have no idea if they are relevant enough to remember, and that one suicide bomber scrub who was only used as gag fodder for literally two pages during Endeavor's arc. We barely got any legitimate gravitas about the effect Destro's existence has had on people in any memorable way. So even if this was foreshadowed a couple minor times, no one was given any reason to care or be interested in this ideology until this chapter.
So my bad for not playing closer attention to this expert sociopolitical worldbuilding foreshadowing. I should have known that a gag suicide bomber flashing himself in public to get stronger because he read the superpower parody of the Communist Manifesto meant that I should have been on the lookout for the series' next big bad.
For all the time since your last ban and of all the topics to come back with a dupe account for, you could have least mastered a little bit more tact this time, ChocolateBar.
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@Lindt:
Always funny that when a similar gesture is done in another series (a series in which this forum's namesake comes from) nobody really bats an eye because they're smart enough to realize that its meant to establish the malice intent of the character in question to set the story moving forward but because MHA has the antagonist kill someone over opposing views its apparently "too much" or "cartoonish" then go back to praising a villain who wants to kill a child for laughing at him and another villain for killing one night stands… ...FYI this is nothing like Fairy Tail and even bringing that as a comparison proves my point since the villains in FT aren't given any proper introduction or characterization which just told that they're the badguys and must be stop for whatever reason.
I think you may have missed the point on this comparison. This comic is nothing like Fairy Tail, honestly it isn't really like One Piece either. Both of those shows have purposely outlandishly over the top characters as the norm.
A woman who goes on a rampage destroying entire towns because she has a sweet craving.
A guy who commits suicide as a hobby.
A woman who can grow or shrink anything at her whim.
A man who uses magic that makes you die of pleasure.All of these characters are so incredibly removed from the realm of reason, it creates an environment where you accept the strange as ordinary. MHA has struck a balance between the wildly extraordinary in the powers wielded from these quirks and the more realistic human element of trying to live in this world. Even the worst villains up to this point have usually been given (comparatively) level heads and back stories before they go off on their killing sprees. The comments being made are that this is a stark departure from the usual style of this comic and more in line with what you would see with a more outlandish comic. That does not mean that it will not play out correctly, but that it was different. People always post their opinions of things that are different from their expectations. They will discuss, counterpoint, and argue until they either accept it or come to the realization that they can not.
You can't fault them for it. You are discussing your unhappiness with the tone of the discussion yourself.
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It was cartoonishly bad. I'd expect something like that in Fairy Tail, for example. Here it looked awkward, forced and clumsy. They're in a company building, not a hidden lair. Your employee doesn't share your beliefs? A smart villain can think of dozens of things he can do with him. **And how the hell does he only find out about what he's thinking now? You'd think he'd make sure that someone who will practically become his right hand man in the company shares his own beliefs?
Naaah, lot smarter to let the man progress through the ranks and then pop a life or death question. Sloppy!**
The bolded would work in a villainous organization, but not in a corporate setting. Imagine if a CEO of some company only promoted people that agreed with Hitler, regardless if they actually did their job properly.
Plus, you don't really want to recruit some random nutjob to be your right-hand if you can't make sure they're competent. "Letting the man progress through the ranks and pop the question" is actually valid, compared to "this guy agrees with me, but I'm not sure he's reliable". You still have a business to attend lol.
@Count:
I mostly agree with Razh, but I think my issue isn't that Jokeguin Osborn did something bad to his employee. Wanting to get across how unhinged this guy is to establish his character is fine on paper. My issue is more how cheesy, sudden, kind of unnecessary, and try hard the execution was for the very first chapter we see this guy. I've seen this exact scenario with other villains like Kingpin in Netflix's Daredevil, Cottonmouth in Netflix's Luke Cage, and Mozgus in Berserk. But unlike those series, it feels way too random, unearned, and uncharismatic here. Especially right after exposition dumping the Liberation Army for the first time in the story. I have no connection with that motivation yet, I only just learned about this new CEO guy, I don't care about the employee at all yet, and it's a cliche telegraphed twist you can see a mile away.
If it was done in a much more clever or subtle way, like staging a car accident or planting criminal evidence in his office or something, then this character twist would feel a lot better in taste. Hell, you don't even have to show what happens to the employee, which is fine because he's a nobody we aren't attached too, the scene should just be about the villain. Rework the scene to have the two guys agree to disagree or Jokeguin Osborn feign an agreement, bear employee leaves the room, then have JO flip open his cell phone to order a hit or corporate sabotage on the employee. Simple, chilling, and way less obnoxious.
But instead, we got a scene that goes way too over the top to make this guy seem scary right out the gate that only reminds me of a scene from FOX's Daredevil movie that nobody likes talking about.
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I won't tolerate anything that reminds me of that movie besides Colin Farrell's hilarious acting as Bullseye.
It really depends on what kind of villain Horikoshi is aiming for here. Staging a hit would've been fine for a CEO, but I guess he wants Destro Jr. to be able to dirt his hands too.
At the very least, he has enough "empathy" to ensure bear hamster man doesn't have anyone that would miss him. Stuff like taxes and bills would've be easy to cover up.
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Shouldn't assume things like that, though (and still have the nerve to criticize). I for one am very critical of OP.
Don't see what the problem is in comparing one dumb element in a good manga to another similar dumb element in another bad manga. Bad writing is bad, no matter what the rest of the work looks like.
And try to be less of a meanie, chocolate.
So the classic "its bad because I say so". Great argument. Makes me wonder why you're still reading a manga you clearly don't like other than to shitpost.
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@Lindt:
So the classic "its bad because I say so". Great argument. Makes me wonder why you're still reading a manga you clearly don't like other than to shitpost.
chocolate, we know it's you.
You haven't changed a bit.
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The bolded would work in a villainous organization, but not in a corporate setting. Imagine if a CEO of some company only promoted people that agreed with Hitler, regardless if they actually did their job properly.
Plus, you don't really want to recruit some random nutjob to be your right-hand if you can't make sure they're competent. "Letting the man progress through the ranks and pop the question" is actually valid, compared to "this guy agrees with me, but I'm not sure he's reliable". You still have a business to attend lol.
Research shows that in many companies people with views closer to the ones of top management progress faster compared to others.
But even without that, didn't this same chapter prove that it's not a simple corporation? In fact, the corporation itself is just a front for the real deal. The boss was even ready to receive best employee in the circle of trust.
And it came as such a surprise that the employee disagrees so strongly with his ideal? You can tell Horikoshi didn't think too deeply of it. Just slapped it all together, ticked couple of check boxes and called it a day.
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@Lindt:
So the classic "its bad because I say so". Great argument. Makes me wonder why you're still reading a manga you clearly don't like other than to shitpost.
And to piss off immature fanboys, of course. :wub:
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Lmao this thread.
Just my opinion , I think the Destro thing is good at creating the generic shounenish hype that we've seen a thousand times.
Hori really needs to work on his world building.
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I'm liking Destro Jr. I don't exactly disagree with the people who thought him killing his employee could have been handled better, but I thought it was fun enough and left a strong first impression.
Meta Liberation is a nice motivation. As long as Horikoshi can follow through on it and not just leave it in the background with barely any elaboration (Like he did with Overhaul's "QUIRKS ARE A DISEASE!!!") I'll probably like him and his arc.
Weirdly enough, my only annoyance was the cliffhanger. It'll probably justify itself next chapter and make me look stupid, but right now it just seems like a pointless action scene for the sake of a pointless action scene.
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chocolate, we know it's you.
You haven't changed a bit.
I had a good laugh seeing what he chose for his new username.
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Lmao this thread.
Just my opinion , I think the Destro thing is good at creating the generic shounenish hype that we've seen a thousand times.
Hori really needs to work on his world building.
Either he's burning out so he's going to start generating cliches from now or that his understanding and take of villain ideology is pretty shallow.Most definitely burning out.
Which is a shame because he seemed to have had very strong ideas for the story in the beginning. Now the story is degenerating into the typical cliche ridden shounen manga.
I just realized that we've never seen anything significant happen ever since the Yakuza was underwhelmingly taken down.
I was hoping we would get something juicy out of All Might Junior losing his powers but its pretty much been brushed aside.
I thought Shinso would do or display something interesting. But other than other characters telling us how good he is, I really don't know what value he would add against a fight against say.. a nomu.
All Might still isn't directly training Deku even though he swore that was what was keeping his ember alive. Seriously, has All Might ever taught Deku anything concrete on how to use his powers. Like sharing a technique or something. Heck I don't think he's even ever trained him on how to approach combat situations.
After the disappointment that was the Yakuza guy. I realy don't care for Destro. I think he's had the blandest villain intro out of all of them.
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I just realized that we've never seen anything significant happen ever since the Yakuza was underwhelmingly taken down.
Did you forget about Endeavor's arc? I'd say the League of Villains having a mole in it (Hawks) is pretty significant.
And while is a pretty questionable direction, Deku gaining the potential to unlock more Quirks is very significant in the long run.
I think the previous Class A vs. Class B arc was a dud (might actually be my least favorite arc, in hindsight), but other than that I'd say the series is still enjoyable. Not a genre defining mega-shonen, but still fun.
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I am not mad about this Destro sutuation.
Not a subject to cause this much controversy in my opinion, you all just being hysterical.
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Did you forget about Endeavor's arc? I'd say the League of Villains having a mole in it (Hawks) is pretty significant.
And while is a pretty questionable direction, Deku gaining the potential to unlock more Quirks is very significant in the long run.
I think the previous Class A vs. Class B arc was a dud (might actually be my least favorite arc, in hindsight), but other than that I'd say the series is still enjoyable. Not a genre defining mega-shonen, but still fun.
Oh yeah, we did have some chapters with Endeavor and Hawk. Yeah those were nice but somehow still forgettable.
Eh Deku getting more quicks seems really contrived to me and has kind of soured my enjoyment of the character.
I hate to use the comparison but its like if Oda had decided that writing about a rubber fruit had become boring, so he makes Luffy have several more abilities.
I don't know to me, the introduction of new quirks is like the author admitting defeat that he couldn't make a simple strength enhancing power interesting and diverse.
It reminds me of Kubo and how his answer to everything was to make Ichigo inexplicably have a 1/4 of the latest villains bloodline or something. By the time it ended Ichigo was part human, quincy, hollow, shinigami, arrancar, espada, bount, Zanpakatou(THE GUY LITERALLY BECAME HIS SWORD), and whatever other creature appeared in the story.
And now, we have deku conveniently developing powers that can help him get out of particularly sticky spots. Blegh.
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Research shows that in many companies people with views closer to the ones of top management progress faster compared to others.
But even without that, didn't this same chapter prove that it's not a simple corporation? In fact, the corporation itself is just a front for the real deal. The boss was even ready to receive best employee in the circle of trust.
And it came as such a surprise that the employee disagrees so strongly with his ideal? You can tell Horikoshi didn't think too deeply of it. Just slapped it all together, ticked couple of check boxes and called it a day.
The company seems legit though. It's an industry leader after all. I doubt everybody who works there is a terrorist, especially when it provides quality of life.
And yes, companies do progress faster when the top management are in agreement with each other, but this is different when the views are superproblematic and criminal in nature. You're kinda downplaying the whole extremism part as if it were normal within corporations, especially when it's a surefire source of bad PR.
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@Count:
superhero support tech CEO being a philosophical nut that strangles employees in his own office who coincidentally badmouth his life ideology.
Not coincidentally, Destro was the one asking the employee what he thinks about the book.
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All Might still isn't directly training Deku even though he swore that was what was keeping his ember alive. Seriously, has All Might ever taught Deku anything concrete on how to use his powers. Like sharing a technique or something. Heck I don't think he's even ever trained him on how to approach combat situations.
He was teaching Izuku how to perform ranged air blasts during the Cultural Festival.
Izuku could do it before, but not without hurting himself.
Not coincidentally, Destro was the one asking the employee what he thinks about the book.
The Viz translation does imply that it was a secret test of character or something.
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I hate to use the comparison but its like if Oda had decided that writing about a rubber fruit had become boring, so he makes Luffy have several more abilities.
That's exactly what Oda did tho. Everything with Haki is a brand new move set to let Luffy do things rubber powers alone couldn't do, like knock out giant crowds with a glare, hit Logias, make his body iron hard, sense people at a distance, or see the future.
Even without that, you have the gears. Which you can psuedo justify under "rubber used in a creative way" but giving Luffy super speed and smoke in gear 2, giant limbs in gear 3, flying abilities in gear 4? Extrapolations from rubber maybe, but nowhere near the original design intention and typically powersets unto themselves.
Then you get things like Red Hawk where luffy can make fire? Or talk to and understand animals? Or one off anomalies like Water Luffy, giant gold ball Luffy, Nightmare Luffy, where he gets a one time powerup that lets him do things he doesn't normally do. It's written organically into the story or provided by an outside source, but its still a power he got that he didn't have before or use since.
Luffy hasn't just been a "creative rubber user" where his powerset includes "stretching" and "bullet immunity" in a very long time.
ANd this extends to the other main characters, especially the likes of Brook and Usopp who have completely different powersets post timeskip than they did before it. or Sanji who just got a super power sentai suit that lets him turn invisible?
Their stuff may still fit in a theme, but they've absolutely been getting completely new powers along the way.
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Zoro generating extra limbs from nowhere.
Sanji creating fire from nowhere.
Monster Point.
Law's… everything.
Doflamingo's... also everything not involving using strings to slash or control people. Remember the string clones that could speak and sweat?
Oda is no stranger to new powers from nowhere.
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We still dont even know why Black beard can use 2 devil fruits, yet ppl give Oda leeway on ideas but not other mangakas
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The company seems legit though. It's an industry leader after all. I doubt everybody who works there is a terrorist, especially when it provides quality of life.
And yes, companies do progress faster when the top management are in agreement with each other, but this is different when the views are superproblematic and criminal in nature. You're kinda downplaying the whole extremism part as if it were normal within corporations, especially when it's a surefire source of bad PR.
But the organization takes precedence over company, otherwise Miyashita would still be doing his job. It seems at least high ranking employees will have to be aware of the real directive at some point, which indicates that at some point the company won't matter much.
Just making simple comparisons. Degrees are different, of course. Imagine if Elon Musk fired one of his top managers for refusing to smoke weed.
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Not coincidentally, Destro was the one asking the employee what he thinks about the book.
It's more the employee's specific opinion and Destro Jr. being willing to strangle someone in his own office that I consider the coincidence, not Destro Jr. bringing up the discussion topic with the book. But I agree with you and Cannon that it was a secret test for the guy.
Anyways, it's the intro chapter to this guy is still just a stepping stone at the end of the day. Imperfect introduction or not, I'm still looking forward to where his character goes more than a bunch of the recent conflicts we've had for the past hundred chapters or so.
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Deku was bound to get access to more than just strength if he's carrying a quirk that stored and combined other quirks from the previous users. I don't think that the reveal was far fetched and we knew something was going on the day before. I don't like that it changed the momentum of the training exercise.
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That's exactly what Oda did tho. Everything with Haki is a brand new move set to let Luffy do things rubber powers alone couldn't do, like knock out giant crowds with a glare, hit Logias, make his body iron hard, sense people at a distance, or see the future.
Even without that, you have the gears. Which you can psuedo justify under "rubber used in a creative way" but giving Luffy super speed and smoke in gear 2, giant limbs in gear 3, flying abilities in gear 4? Extrapolations from rubber maybe, but nowhere near the original design intention and typically powersets unto themselves.
Then you get things like Red Hawk where luffy can make fire? Or talk to and understand animals? Or one off anomalies like Water Luffy, giant gold ball Luffy, Nightmare Luffy, where he gets a one time powerup that lets him do things he doesn't normally do. It's written organically into the story or provided by an outside source, but its still a power he got that he didn't have before or use since.
Luffy hasn't just been a "creative rubber user" where his powerset includes "stretching" and "bullet immunity" in a very long time.
ANd this extends to the other main characters, especially the likes of Brook and Usopp who have completely different powersets post timeskip than they did before it. or Sanji who just got a super power sentai suit that lets him turn invisible?
Their stuff may still fit in a theme, but they've absolutely been getting completely new powers along the way.
Do you think this is just natural progression in a shonen fighting series that goes on this long, or is that just Oda?
I mean Yu Yu Hakusho characters pretty much stuck to the same few attacks….. but that series was waaaaaaay shorter than the likes of One Piece (although Kurama did get new plant moves a lot and Yusuke different types of spirit attcaks, and kurama got a new sword..... maybe this wasn't the best example)
Ichigo in Bleach basically had one move, just a different color in different forms (although he did have different forms, shiki, bankai, vizard mask, losing control to his inner hollow and the gaining two swords at the very end...., and chad, ishida and Renji got power ups to I guess)
Toriko added new powers all the time, Beelzebub didn't even go for that long but only had one real named attack and only for it's main character, Katokyo hitman reborn they gave new moves all the time etc.
and Naruto always found new ways to update there attacks well still keeping there move set kind of limited
Black Clover gave Asta demon forms and Yuno a spirit transformation and now My hero is adding new powers for Midoriya
idk, I feel like if a series goes on for 300-500 or more chapters that they need to add more things to spice the fights up, but maybe I'm wrong what do you guys think, is it necessary to keep adding more powers for a battle manga or just give the main characters a limited move set and stick to it?