Whats gonna happen with Big mom now that she could possibly make her way to Wano? Always thought she could end in elbaf, but after the snailcall with Kaidou and the possible Rox connection is she going to play a major part?
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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Yeah, seastone is the only thing that makes sense. But it is just a stone, not a weapon unless it is crafted. So if WG is indeed buying 'weapons' from them then it should be those specially crafted sealstone weapons that only the smiths of Wano can make;as Hawkins said.
Though i think Oda cornered himself by showing sealstone being specific to Wano only. It warrant the question what were WG doing in all these centuries, by not taking the possession of such valuable minerals? Kaidou has been controlling Wano for couple of decades only. Before him was the era of Oden who was clearly defeat-able.And from the recent comments by Shogun it is clear that his main leverage against WG is Kaidou, not any secret army of unimaginable strength. Considering his greed for power, had Orochi been indeed in the control of such, he wouldn't have let Kaidou to call the shot from behind him.
So unless Wano had some incredible powerful rulers in the past or discovery and application of seastone being a relatively modern thing, it make no sense for WG not to utilise their vast resources to capture and control Wano until now.Because such materials only became known and useful due to Vegapunk i would imagine. For centuries neither would the world know about seastone, nor would Wa No know about devil fruits and seastone´s worth in against them.
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Because such materials only became known and useful due to Vegapunk i would imagine. For centuries neither would the world know about seastone, nor would Wa No know about devil fruits and seastone´s worth in against them.
That's a possible conjecture(my post includse it though without specifying Vegapunk), albeit a weak one for the story.
Most of the infamous villains were locked down in Impel Down with the help of sea-stone cuff. We have seen Shiki being tied down with such some 23-24 years ago with respect to present timeline.So if it's military application is mostly due to Vegapunk, i wonder how they used to control DF users before his times…....
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That's a possible conjecture(my post includse it though without specifying Vegapunk), albeit a weak one for the story.
Most of the infamous villains were locked down in Impel Down with the help of sea-stone cuff. We have seen Shiki being tied down with such some 23-24 years ago with respect to present timeline.So if it's military application is mostly due to Vegapunk, i wonder how they used to control DF users before his times…....
I believe it weaken the whole world build up.You beat them within a inch of their life everyday or make adapted cell.
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Vegapunk absolutely inovated aspects of Seastone usage, such as it being used to line Navy vessels to disguise them from Seakings in the Calm Belts. But I'm sure the World Government and other groups' usage of it outside of Wano has existed for quite a while. While Wano might be the best at crafting Seastone, I'd say it's unlikely that Seastone was ONLY crafted from Wano for the most part, or majorly after Vegapunk.
The first instance of Wano's specific Seastone refinment was in something small like a nail. We haven't seen widespread usage of small Seastone objects like that outside of Zepher's Seastone bullet(which the film is non canon anyway) and the nets used in Impel Down. And given that those were ripped open, it's implied that it only had segments of it containing Seastone.
So things like cuffs, jail cells, I'd imagine are relatively simple for the Navy to construct. Even if the material isn't highly abundant. I am slightly inclined to believe that the smaller pieces of Seastone, used in the nets in Impel Down and by the Navy, might be a result of Doflamingo's deals with Kaido. Simply because if we're supposed to believe that only the craftsmen of Wano can refine this harder-than-diamond substance into things like nails, it diminishes that claim if the Navy is also able to make nets with small segmented pieces of Seastone.
So to sum up, I'm sure for decades the Navy has been able to make things like Seastone jail cells and handcuffs. But it's probably only in the last decade or so -thanks to Doffy- that they've been making things like those nets that would require finer craftsmanship.
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This is how we get taken by complete surprise from stuff in front of our face for a decade like Garp.
My point is, Oda is always trying to bait and switch or misdirect the readers.
We've been shown very clearly that Diable is a mixture of friction and Sanji's burning heart which are points that have been addressed both visually and jokingly.
So…don't you find it a bit odd that he's never once addressed Red Hawk?
I don't expect to win over anybody with this theory at this junction but it'd be great if you remember it down the line.
Do you think Oda will ever explain Zoro's Asura?
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Their powers don't appear to be innate, they stem from the suits and Ichiji is the flamey one.
Kdom, it doesn't expand them beyond their original concept because it's one he's hcd in mind the entire time with a hint to that end right in front of us the whole time.
However, the weakness of Haki is a completely valid point. Luckily this isn't some vague concept.
We have seen Niji without suit and all of them as toddlers showing of their powers in one pic
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And again to the Luffy inheriting Ace's ability... I thought about it and I god hope it won't be the case.
Yes he is a D like BB... But so are a lot of other characters Law, Dragon and Garp to name the current living ones.
Comparing it to Diable Jambe is bad as well... Even more if the burning heart stuff makes no sense and secondly that Sanji doesn't even use friction any more and is able to do it under water as well.
And post ts we got his superhuman family introduced...So far I still think that Red Hawk is just a move as homage for Ace done by haki + friction... and hope that Greg won't be right with this one.
Katakuri used fire as well with his Mochi powers who have been potrayed as similar to Gomu GomuI think the most strange ability is still Ashura
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I think the most strange ability is still Ashura
Is Kong Organ’s design an afterimage caused by speed or an extension of this? Any other instances of something similar occurring in the manga? Either multi-arms or illusions caused by one’s will.
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Is Kong Organ’s design an afterimage caused by speed or an extension of this? Any other instances of something similar occurring in the manga? Either multi-arms or illusions caused by one’s will.
Yeah Kong Orkan is as strange looking as well.
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We have seen Niji without suit and all of them as toddlers showing of their powers in one pic
Hey Kishido!
Actually, I already addressed this earlier! Feel free to check it out on a previous page!
Yes he is a D like BB… But so are a lot of other characters Law, Dragon and Garp to name the current living ones.
Yes, I know they are. And that is precisely what I'm suggesting.
Umm, what is 'T'?
Well, if 'D' is 2 then 'T' would be…
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Hey Kishido!
Actually, I already addressed this earlier! Feel free to check it out on a previous page!
Yes, I know they are. And that is precisely what I'm suggesting.
Well, if 'D' is 2 then 'T' would be…
Well still hope you are wrong. And I only have seen the posts about the siblings using their suits for elemntal powers… Maybe you can me link the other post you mean
Still points stays that elemtal powers even without explanation isn't that rare in OP... Even more if Luffy's isn't that strange to explain
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Well, if 'D' is 2 then 'T' would be…
Hey! 'D' is for duo/dual/double. And 'T' is trio/triple/three
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The Cerberus strikes again.
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Yeah, I don't buy into the Luffy line at Jaya meaning just Teach, but, I do think it's possible Teach is something other (more?) than a D.
And yes, KingLJ, that's ultimately what I feel the D might in fact be. That is to say those with the name have a genotype allowing them to consume two.
The implications for end or lategame power-ups via this method are considerable and would fit with a completely different angle than the Gear method we've become accustomed to. Of course it begs the question, if true, does Luffy have the ability to take on a new fruit, or (if he did at all to begin with) does what he 'inheritted' from Ace count and would he somehow be able to channel more of that power, perhaps lessening Sabo's control of it and literally linking the brothers?
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Yeah, I don't buy into the Luffy line at Jaya meaning just Teach, but, I do think it's possible Teach is something other (more?) than a D.
And yes, KingLJ, that's ultimately what I feel the D might in fact be. That is to say those with the name have a genotype allowing them to consume two.
The implications for end or lategame power-ups via this method are considerable and would fit with a completely different angle than the Gear method we've become accustomed to. Of course it begs the question, if true, does Luffy have the ability to take on a new fruit, or (if he did at all to begin with) does what he 'inheritted' from Ace count and would he somehow be able to channel more of that power, perhaps lessening Sabo's control of it and literally linking the brothers?
so are you no longer a fan of the will of D being half moon people?
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so are you no longer a fan of the will of D being half moon people?
This idea doesn't necessarily reject my moon theory, in fact it could very well inform it. Any way you slice it, there was a mass migration from the moon that will come into play at some point, it's just a matter of whether that relates to D or not. So, in a nutshell, no? But? I think my thoughts on that have spread far and wide over the years and when that happens, Oda tends to change his story because he doesn't like offering a predicted story. This is also partially why some of my articles and columns are subject to editing.
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Greg, if Oda comes to know about your theory, he will just change his plans :ninja:
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Greg, if Oda comes to know about your theory, he will just change his plans :ninja:
Queue Kishido sending mass emails under different names to Oda about this new theory of Luffy inheriting Ace's powers.
this isn't a diss by the way. Kishido is a legend.
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Speaking of Moon people, what are the chances that Oda will try to draw a parallel with Princess Kaguya?
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Queue Kishido sending mass emails under different names to Oda about this new theory of Luffy inheriting Ace's powers.
this isn't a diss by the way. Kishido is a legend.
Good idea
If I could stop it, I would like it
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Speaking of Moon people, what are the chances that Oda will try to draw a parallel with Princess Kaguya?
I assume that's Im-sama
lol now I'm imagining BB and Luffy teaming up to beat him like Naruto and Sasuke lol
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Makes great sense for Toki.
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Can’t Red Hawk just be an accelerated hardened rubber punch ? Why does it have to be something so complicated ?
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Can’t Red Hawk just be an accelerated hardened rubber punch ? Why does it have to be something so complicated ?
I got the Impression that since the TS Oda spiced up the SHs' attacks by adding elemental stuff. Of course Nami's lightnings and Sanji's leg of the devil have been there before, but after the TS there is not only Red Hawk but also Brook's Soul Solid which has an icey effect. I watched recent Anime episodes, so I saw it again.
Speakin of which:
Greg, don't you think the fight between Luffy and Katakuri is often animated superbly? Certain fight-sequences really look spectacular.
Katakuri is one detailed Mofo (the Tattoos, the scarf, the belt around his leg, the spiked bracelets and so on) and it must be hell to draw this char over and over again and again.
Lucci was just a char in a pitch black suit ompared to that. It's like animating a black blob of ink. Kata's shoes have more Details than Lucci. -
I still don't like the surprise devil fruit partial inheritance theory, but it matches the way that Haki was presented.
Thing is that law is too perfect of a match to repeat the experiment, a D with a devil fruit, and a powered loved one that died for him.
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If this whole D/T thing revolves around double/triple fruits, I dunno that would be kinda boring. Like "oh is that all?". I'm sure there would be greater context behind it and it would be utilized later, but on its own that's kinda meh.
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Like "oh is that all?"
Which is why that isn't necessarily just what it is.
I highly doubt there's a 'Will of D' and it's simply having two abilities.
It's the people who had such an ability and what they did with such power.
Consider fruitless individuals like Zoro who don't have a fruit ability but excel at not only Haki but feats of physical strength.
Now consider individuals like Zoro who are given a fruit ability that they master to the point of Awakening. I would argue that a character like Doflamingo is in this category. Now consider the influence, power and pull he had in the world (some of it due to circumstance).
NOW consider individuals like Doflamingo who are given ANOTHER fruit ability which they may also master and then Awaken.
The amount of power they would wield is on the level of possibly being able to change history. That's also the scale that BB may be on right now.
So having two fruits isn't simply an 'is that all?' answer to the mystery of D. If that's what it was, those individuals must have had remarkable control of world affairs which could have swayed both good and evil. Because it denotes multiple abilities, it doesn't mean the history of those people is any less complicated or meaningful. In fact, if anything, it makes it even more so.
Can’t Red Hawk just be an accelerated hardened rubber punch ? Why does it have to be something so complicated ?
It sure can! And I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
…But it's also highly suspicious that Luffy made a burning ability underwater and that Oda has not commented on this ability to any end.
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I'm still wondering who that bone spitter guy is, his silhoutte looked a lot like VegaPunk, but after the last chapter it's clear that it's not him (though that would have been mindblowing if it was because they were just talking about him at reivere)
would love it if it's one of the space aliens
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Hey Greg, Was wondering about your thoughts on a theory brought up in the Piece Together of the latest podcast episode.
Someone brought up a theory on Conqueror's Haki. To sum it up, it explains that the reason Conqueror's Haki knocks people out is by someone with a stronger willpower or spirit draining a weaker willed person's energy. They pointed out that both in Luffy's fights against Big Mom and Kaido, Luffy seemed to be weakened very easily.
While they didn't speficy the exact moment with Big Mom, my mind instantly went to the wedding when Luffy wanted to get "just one hit" on Big Mom. He went into Gear 4th, got one blow in, and instantly deflated afterward and exclaimed how tired he was. I know at the time the chapter came out, many on the forum here theorized that possibly Big Mom's fruit allowed her to absorb energy, and of course there is the simply possibility that Luffy was tired after the day and a half of fighting on Whole Cake. But it certainly stood out to me that Oda specifically showed Luffy in this hyped up mood about fighting Big Mom, only to instantly become exhausted.
And then with Kaido, Luffy went down in a single blow. Now this doesn't outright prove anything with the Haki situation, but in the context of knowing Luffy will eventually have to stand up to the likes of Kaido at the end of the arc, the solution could be Luffy improving his Conqueror's Haki ability. The person that submitted the Piece Together pointed out that in Dressrosa, we saw Luffy's evolution with Armament Haki in the form of Gear 4th, and in Whole Cake with his Observation Haki. So continuing this trend, Wano would be where he shows his potential with Conqueror's Haki by being able to similarly drain/exhaust Kaido's power in their rematch.
I'm inclined to believe this, especially given right after he was defeated by Kaido, a point was made to show Luffy's Conqueror's Haki.
So I was wondering on your thoughts on this whole thing.
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Never understood or liked red hawk, now it makes more sense, I like the theory.
Also, gods’ natural enemies must have been referring to some natural ability they had, so everything’s more clear than ever.
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To me, the problem with 'Will of D' being specifically connected with multiple DF makes it those 'D's with one fruit or no fruit a
'lesser' bunch. And since 'in memories' no person with two DF appeared in OP world until Teach, it needs quite a explaining how this so called 'will' passed down through generations without manifesting itself to it's basic premises.
I fully believe all 'D's are somehow blood related, near or distant, but we don't even know whether all 'D's can inherits this 'will'( I assume they can theoretically). So 'D' being the signature of double DF holding capability and 'will'/connected 'wills' of these specifically able people are what this world need for the change - it may be possible, but not for my likings. -
To me, the problem with 'Will of D' being specifically connected with multiple DF makes it those 'D's with one fruit or no fruit a
'lesser' bunch. And since 'in memories' no person with two DF appeared in OP world until Teach, it needs quite a explaining how this so called 'will' passed down through generations without manifesting itself to it's basic premises.
I fully believe all 'D's are somehow blood related, near or distant, but we don't even know whether all 'D's can inherits this 'will'( I assume they can theoretically). So 'D' being the signature of double DF holding capability and 'will'/connected 'wills' of these specifically able people are what this world need for the change - it may be possible, but not for my likings.I also have a theory that people with the middle D in their name or the monky family are descendants of giant and if you’re thinking that Luffy is just normal size and that’s impossibeyou gotta look at the potential Clues the first one is the jaya storyline and you notice cricket and Norland and aside from the chestnut there is no Resemblance at all because of hundredsof years of generations apart the second is that it is possible to interbreed with other races. fishman with giants, like neptune and Otohime neptune is the size of a giant and Otohime is slighly larger than average human but the were able to have children slightly bigger than her.The same thing can be with giants and humans, if they have children who are a bit smaller than normal Giants and those children have children with humans than after (eight) hundreds of years it would be logical that the curren generation look like ordinary humans!
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I also have a theory that people with the middle D in their name or the monky family are descendants of giant and if you’re thinking that Luffy is just normal size and that’s impossibeyou gotta look at the potential Clues the first one is the jaya storyline and you notice cricket and Norland and aside from the chestnut there is no Resemblance at all because of hundredsof years of generations apart the second is that it is possible to interbreed with other races. fishman with giants, like neptune and Otohime neptune is the size of a giant and Otohime is slighly larger than average human but the were able to have children slightly bigger than her.The same thing can be with giants and humans, if they have children who are a bit smaller than normal Giants and those children have children with humans than after (eight) hundreds of years it would be logical that the curren generation look like ordinary humans!
Another Point is VanderDecken:
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Another Point is VanderDecken:
The I. was human,
The IX. is complete fishman after 8 Generations below the ocean.yeah, another example that i forgot to mention
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I also have a theory that people with the middle D in their name or the monky family are descendants of giant and if you’re thinking that Luffy is just normal size and that’s impossibeyou gotta look at the potential Clues the first one is the jaya storyline and you notice cricket and Norland and aside from the chestnut there is no Resemblance at all because of hundredsof years of generations apart the second is that it is possible to interbreed with other races. fishman with giants, like neptune and Otohime neptune is the size of a giant and Otohime is slighly larger than average human but the were able to have children slightly bigger than her.The same thing can be with giants and humans, if they have children who are a bit smaller than normal Giants and those children have children with humans than after (eight) hundreds of years it would be logical that the curren generation look like ordinary humans!
First it doesn't answer what 'D' stands for( which was the original discussion);secondly, being a giant is no big deal in OP world as Aokiji easily killed Saul( a giant D) and child Big Mom flipped a village head killing him in the process.
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First it doesn't answer what 'D' stands for( which was the original discussion);secondly, being a giant is no big deal in OP world as Aokiji easily killed Saul( a giant D) and child Big Mom flipped a village head killing him in the process.
giants play a big role in the one piece story ,like the giant strawhat that could be from a giant! it's just a theory
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If the Will of D is related to devil fruits, I would put my money on the D standing for Devil. Simple, but effective.
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If the Will of D is related to devil fruits, I would put my money on the D standing for Devil. Simple, but effective.
I also believe when Oda first conceived the idea of 'D', it was somewhat a simple one, but as the OP universe and the scopes of the story grew he changed his plan and by the time of the final revelation it will be quite elaborated(if not complicated) one.
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If the Will of D is related to devil fruits, I would put my money on the D standing for Devil. Simple, but effective.
I really like this theory, also considering that in Law's flashback the Ds were described as "God's natural enemies"
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Question Greg I know you think that Oda plans to have Kaidou defeated by Momo, Luffy, Marco and DogStorm, because they would represent the Monkey Phesant and the Dog….. but is there any chance that Aokiji might be the phesant or Katakuri the dog?
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Question Greg I know you think that Oda plans to have Kaidou defeated by Momo, Luffy, Marco and DogStorm, because they would represent the Monkey Phesant and the Dog….. but is there any chance that Aokiji might be the phesant or Katakuri the dog?
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Greg, what is your take on how Oda is handling Sanji's character? Especially with him now having no problem with wearing the suit and all?
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Greg, what is your take on how Oda is handling Sanji's character? Especially with him now having no problem with wearing the suit and all?
Greg has probably already read the next chapter and I imagine it illuminates more about this situation and Sanji.
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Sanji! Suit!
So I assumed that Sanji even considering touching the suit after that scene on Sunny would have meant that any use of it called for some heavy-duty dealing with his family in terms of reconciliation, acceptance and coming to terms, on all sides.
But no, Oda surprises by bringing it out here.
So am I upset?
No.
Because he's using for a classic Sanji core aspect, to protect. And this time it's much MUCH bigger than his crew. Literally every moment since Luffy agreeing to help Law on PH led to this moment (that gear cut again) and ONLY Sanji can stand up at this point to accomplish the task precisely how it needs to be accomplished.
Now….if Oda makes it a total gag that the suit doesn't protect his identity....uhhhh that would be upsetting.
But if this works how he wants it to? I'm totally cool with that.
Zoro is the spear and Sanji is the shield.
That's pretty much how it's always been.
If you ever liked Sanji, you might not have known it, but that's an aspect of him you liked. It doesn't mean he must always succeed at being the shield. Zoro hasn't always succeeded at being the sword, but that's what they are.
So his decision to utilize that tech which he knows is a bastardization of all he stands for, in order to protect this MASSIVE plan is another classic shield move made in desperation but also one which I personally believe he doesn't expect to get around. This is Wano after all, I don't think he believes the fact of his using this technology will spread beyond the borders of Wano.
And unfortunately for him (but fortunately for us) THAT will probably not end well for him.
It's Japan.
He's a super sentai.
There are already nightly do-gooders.
He ALREADY has the Flash Thompson-style 'We hate you Sanji!' feeling from the common folk thanks to the destruction.
Come on, he's setting him up for 'Mysterious Hero' status ^O^
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I agree that it concurs with Sanji's general disposition to protect. But what's baffling was his ready decision.I think plenty of long time readers have already assumed that Sanji gonna use that suit at some point, but expected a dilemma,some inner turmoils from him before he really came to term with the necessity of it.
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Yup!
That's me!
But I also accept that because of the weight of this situation, for Sanji to say, "Hey, this is a core rule that I'll bend if no one can find out about it."
Some might say he's breaking it but from his perspective, it's only breaking it if people find out it's him using it.
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Yup!
That's me!
But I also accept that because of the weight of this situation, for Sanji to say, "Hey, this is a core rule that I'll bend if no one can find out about it."
Some might say he's breaking it but from his perspective, it's only breaking it if people find out it's him using it.
I'm also ok if he puts on the suit for the greater good (like Zoro kneeled to Mihawk for the greater good).
This just shouldn't become a regular Thing, cause it is not even Sanji's fighting style.
And one can't compare that to the CP's fighting style that has been adapted by Luffy and Sanji as well. They observed the Opponent and figured the trick out. That's a whole different Story.
A suit full of Gadget is really more a Thing for Usoppe IMHO.
He shouldn't put the suit on for the sake of getting stronger.
Next "weakness" to Abandon would be the "don't hit Girls"-rule.
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The suit was never the problem of the vinsmokes, but why they get born with superpowers. JUdge's great creation is represented by his kids, not the suit that was not even mentioned if judge himself made it. Sanji already managed to overcome not getting born like his bros, the suit could just be to give him what he never had, ranged Attacks, if fire proof, flight are things sanji already has.
What if Sora made the suit to protect her kids, or judge stole the suit from vegapunk when they used to work together.
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damn, it sucks when you think you know sanji and then it turns out you are 100% wrong :(
I thought sanji would never ever use that suit out of principle.