With so many experts on storytelling, characterisation and plot development I am quite surprised we don't have any winners of the Nobel prize for litarature amongst our midst…
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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Don't we want the unusual character that doesn't belong in Wano that's not a predictable stereotype instead?
We got him, it's zoro.
Zoro fills the samurai role way too good for another samurai from wano to join too.( even ninjas count here as samurais)
Not that a ninja would do anything nami, robin, usopp, zoro can't do already. None will join from wano, not when it's full yonkou war, with way too many allies and named characters all guranteed to play a role. He had to leave jimbe behind just so this can be about sanji joining again, and in totland he ahd to work with way less characters and unresolved conflict.
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@uniaka:
We got him, it's zoro.
Zoro fills the samurai role way too good for another samurai from wano to join too.( even ninjas count here as samurais)
Not that a ninja would do anything nami, robin, usopp, zoro can't do already. None will join from wano, not when it's full yonkou war, with way too many allies and named characters all guranteed to play a role. He had to leave jimbe behind just so this can be about sanji joining again, and in totland he ahd to work with way less characters and unresolved conflict.
Oda was able to fit in a chapter long flashback for Senior Pink in the middle of Dresserossa having over a hundred named characters, on top of a 7 chapter flashback for Law and a three tiered flashback for Rebecca and Kyros, and found time to give the Arena announcer of all people several chapters to shine.
He can find time to show off new characters in the middle of chaos when he wants to.
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But this arc is still bigger then dressrosa only based on the people we know will be there before this arc starts. You got zoro and jimbe that fit wano, so 3rd wano guy nakama is not needed. The fact that jimbe said he will be in wano shows this is the arc he joins, for good.
And this arc is more likely to be similar to marineford then dressrosa. Any good samurai is likely to stay as momonosuke's underling, same way luffy sees them.
Law's flashback was needed to explain his conflict with the main villain and fledge out one of luffy's rivals from the worst gen( dressrosa needed that to make much more sense), and I really don't think the next nakama has the same thing going on with Kaidou like doflaming and law had. And if he even does it for someone like pink, that shows how much he even needs to do for actual new nakama.
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Yeah,its going to be a crowded arc. But Oda is probably going to spend at least two years there, maybe three. There is PLENTY of time and space to showcase new people. The story isn't going to revolve around only the people we've seen so far. Wano is going to have lots of new people in it.
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People talking about how there's no way there can be a new crewmate at Wano, when we don't even know the name of the damn Shogun, just to start with.
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But there will be new nakama in wano, it's jimbe( unless something will happen and he won't make to wano). And why would you even consider shogun? The goal of momonosuke's samurais is to kill him, and he is also the ally of kaidou. You can't get more clear then that, guy is villain.
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It is not that there will not be a new character in Wano. I just see it from the crew's perspective. The first real challenge they will tackle as a group in the New World. Unless you count Punk Hazard, I do not. Dressrosa was split, Whole Cake was split. This is the real deal and with Jimbe doing a late appearance, in terms of the Straw Hat Crew, that is a far as I think it should go. That way Oda can properly focus on the current members breaking their limits as they did against CP-9 for example.
After Wano, technically the Straw Hats still have to overcome, Blackbeard, Big Mom and Shanks among getting to Raftel, finding the last Poneglyph. After two years of training, my expectations for the Straw Hats was high and it proved to be correct when seeing the accomplishments and how Luffy's journey progressed. Being the leading force against an emperor and overcoming those odds is the result I expected of that training. The crew is going to have a massive lead in terms of getting to Raftel, but that does not mean it will happen two arcs after Wano, because of the challenges described. They took down 1 out of the 3 emperors, it is then that the real race starts as there is no higher platform of competition.
Even though we count and sometimes mix some elements, like Elbaf and Big Mom Pt. 2, there will be a ton of new characters if we take some or most of these challenges as individual, and even if the crew is complete, there will still be talks of: "this new character should be in the crew instead of…" Being a new character is not a problem, it is what they do around Luffy. However, if we want to give an important dream/role/mission, then knowing that the Straw Hats will have 3 Roads poneglyphs after Kaido, what is the biggest challenge they could face? Keep in mind that Kaido has been defeated, we know they can overcome emperors. That would be finding the last poneglyph. The Dawn Pedro was talking about does not seem to relate to that, and we know the Minks cannot help in this quest, they would have said something otherwise.
At this point, if the minimum requirement the last crew member needs is to help directly in the pirate king's quest, or is heavily tied with the Void Century, I am not sure what else could be more important. Robin can already read the scripts, the only problem is finding them.
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@uniaka:
But there will be new nakama in wano, it's jimbe( unless something will happen and he won't make to wano). And why would you even consider shogun? The goal of momonosuke's samurais is to kill him, and he is also the ally of kaidou. You can't get more clear then that, guy is villain.
He is saying that we do not know the name of the Shogun, but that the Shogun will be a very important character in the upcoming conflict. Meaning that for all intent and purposes, The Shogun is a new character that Oda will have to elaborate to despise him even further. We do have a bit of backstory to help knowing what he did to Momo's father. But alongside the Shogun will be many new characters and Oda will give quite a few some sort of background, at least the different lords.
In short, new characters and how invested we are in them is a non-issue. Oda creates new characters all the time and people are invested in them regardless. At least that is what I think he is saying.
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I hope Wano won't be that crowded… Would prefer to focus on max 10 characters instead of introducing a mass on people like in Dressrosa and WCI
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I hope Wano won't be that crowded… Would prefer to focus on max 10 characters instead of introducing a mass on people like in Dressrosa and WCI
Well, I'd say there's more (a lot more) than 10 characters already who are guaranteed focus in the Wano arc. Heck, the factions alone are probably close to that number, let alone the individuals.
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I hope Wano won't be that crowded… Would prefer to focus on max 10 characters instead of introducing a mass on people like in Dressrosa and WCI
The difference is we've seen a lot of said characters before outside the wano characters
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Well, I'd say there's more (a lot more) than 10 characters already who are guaranteed focus in the Wano arc. Heck, the factions alone are probably close to that number, let alone the individuals.
Agreed. As far as main characters for the arc go, since Wano is shaping up to be heavily inspired by Momotaro.
Momotaro = Momonosuke
Monkey = Luffy
Pheasant/Rooster = Marco
Dog = Inuarashi
Oni = KaidoYou can pretty much guarantee those 5 will be the lead characters during the arc. You also have the Shogun, Law, Nekomamushi, Kinemon (relay backstory about Oden), and probably Eustass Kid being front-and-center in the arc. That already brings the lead characters up to 10. And then every other fraction that might show up to Wano that might be given some panel time. Oh, and we haven't even started talking all those different fractions subordinates.
I think the one big advantage I expect Wano arc to have over Dressrosa is that it'll be able to end a lot of converging plot threads within the series instead of creating new ones.
Dressrosa arc was used to setup threads for Kaido, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Revolutionaries, Marines, World Government, and the Underworld. Among that the arc was about taking down Doflamingo and the creation of Grand Fleet.
Wano arc will at least get to wrap up a small chunk of One Piece's story and give us more answers than questions.
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I will be so damn salty if Apoo takes a secondary role while Kid gets all the focus, it won't even be funny. But if Oda really gives all the Worst Generation a prominent role at least as big as Bege got in WCI, Kid, Apoo, Hawkins and Drake will suck a ridiculous amount of screentime… and I am not even including Killer on this since he is not a captain.
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Because Luffy has wanted a statue since the start. I have no idea how that would work but its what Luffy wants. He's getting a damn statue eventually, be it an actual statue or a crewmate with some unorthodox statue like properties. (I'd be down for a gargoyle style yokai.)
I thought the statue Luffy got dedicated to him at the end of Dressrosa was supposed to be Oda making that wish come true. Usopp even told the Dwarves earlier on in the arc that they better make a statue of him too, which they did.
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@.access:
I will be so damn salty if Apoo takes a secondary role while Kid gets all the focus, it won't even be funny. But if Oda really gives all the Worst Generation a prominent role at least as big as Bege got in WCI, Kid, Apoo, Hawkins and Drake will suck a ridiculous amount of screentime… and I am not even including Killer on this since he is not a captain.
I too am very worried about this.
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@Count:
I thought the statue Luffy got dedicated to him at the end of Dressrosa was supposed to be Oda making that wish come true.
Maybe> But that's a statue of him being treated as a hero, which he doesn't like, rather than a statue he gets to make starry eyes at and have on the ship. Not seeing Luffy's reaction to it kinda doesn't hit the mark of what I'd really expect for such a long term gag.
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I hope Wano won't be that crowded… Would prefer to focus on max 10 characters instead of introducing a mass on people like in Dressrosa and WCI
I think we will be lucky if we have less than Dressrosa + All cake island united…
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@.access:
I will be so damn salty if Apoo takes a secondary role while Kid gets all the focus, it won't even be funny. But if Oda really gives all the Worst Generation a prominent role at least as big as Bege got in WCI, Kid, Apoo, Hawkins and Drake will suck a ridiculous amount of screentime… and I am not even including Killer on this since he is not a captain.
Kid is definitely going to get a lot of screentime especially as he's the only supernova besides Luffy to have another supernova as a crew member. Drake will also probably get some screen time given how much backstory he's already gotten or at least hinted.
Apoo seems like he'll get the shaft though, especially if he's just one of Kaido's minions now. Probably some time spent on his fight to give him one last hurrah.
Not sure about Hawkins since we don't know his fate. He might get the shaft also.
I don't expect Apoo and Hawkins to get the same level of attention that Bege got. Although I always liked the theory that Apoo (Lion), Hawkins (Scarecrow), and Kid (Tin Man) visiting the emerald city.
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I'd be down for a rock logia/statue character lol
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I'm hoping for Apoo to be surprise MVP like Brook was. X Drake is someone I'm interested in but I wish this wasn't the arc he was gonna get his focus. Could not care less about Hawkins, Kidd or Killer. Still waiting on Urouge and Bonney to be relevant, I don't see them clearly fitting into the story anywhere and doubt they'll be at Wano.
I think Bege managed to get his spotlight just at the right time when no one else was around to share it with.
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I think we will be lucky if we have less than Dressrosa + All cake island united…
So me going on hiatus again
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There are ways to break down the Wano arc into different parts with different settings and objectives to make it more functional, and that's what I'm hoping we'll get.
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Agreed. As far as main characters for the arc go, since Wano is shaping up to be heavily inspired by Momotaro.
Momotaro = Momonosuke
Monkey = Luffy
Pheasant/Rooster = Marco
Dog = Inuarashi
Oni = KaidoIf they are going for actual dog bird, and it's not something like luffy, that only acts like a monkey, is not actual monkey. Or they just have design inspired from bird/ dog.
Kid with his red spiked hair he looks like a rooster.
Law with his hat and beard looks like Dalmatian dog.
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@uniaka:
If they are going for actual dog bird, and it's not something like luffy, that only acts like a monkey, is not actual monkey. Or they just have design inspired from bird/ dog.
Kid with his red spiked hair he looks like a rooster.
Law with his hat and beard looks like Dalmatian dog.
I doubt it. Can't recall if Luffy has ever referred to Marco as rooster but it was definitely a thing for the zodiac color spread. Luffy was monkey, Marco was rooster, Inuarashi was dog.
Luffy also promised to help Momo which seemed a bit on the nose and Inuarashi is also assisting Momo currently.
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I wonder if we're ever going to get a reference of Kenshin in Wano.
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I wonder if we're ever going to get a reference of Kenshin in Wano.
We already got Shanks.
Only character in the series to get ziptone hair, and has a big ol face scar that uses a sword.
If Oda's doing any tribute to Watsuki, surely it's by giving him the mentor passing the torch role?
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But Kenshin is always drawn with uncolored hair.
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But Kenshin is always drawn with uncolored hair.
I never read the manga so I'll believe you, and a quick google search shows that to be the case, but I could swear I'm used to seeing his hair screentoned. ANd more tone on that manga in general.
Maybe I've just seen colored spreads turned greyscale or something. Or promo art where they put in the extra effort.
Or its just my brain going red hair/red hair. And "kenshinhad lots of screentone. Only Shanks has screentone."
Regardless, point still stands. We don't need a Kenshin expie in Wano, Shanks is already that.
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Hmm, I'm not too keen on kenshin these days, but I agree.
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In terms of recurring character to be the 11th, Vivi is still one of the best. She has tons of problem against her to be NN but narrative wise she is definitely important. I was interested to see if the reverie arc will help her chances.
However, after the latest chapter, I personally feel like Vivi's chances of becoming the 11th is almost nil…
She acting like a Luffy's fangirl (like the others who Luffy has helped along the way) instead of a crewmate...
Doesn't help that she (& Rebecca) is suffering the Nami clone syndrome which I am not fond of:unsure:
I know there is still the whole thing with Cobra & Alabasta. It seem more likely the revolutionary will help her when things go sour...Sabo is just nearby.While Vivi is still IMPORTANT to the narrative & it's clear she has a role to play in the reverie & future arcs, I think her being the honorary crewmate will be a thing until the end.
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If anything, I (and I think many others) would prefer a female member to be the 11th.
If Oda thinks this way, however, is another question… His weaknesses regarding women in his story are much discussed.
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@Big:
If anything, I (and I think many others) would prefer a female member to be the 11th.
If Oda thinks this way, however, is another question… His weaknesses regarding women in his story are much discussed.
And the female should be hot or would you be OK with a Lola look alike?
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And the female should be hot or would you be OK with a Lola look alike?
Its Oda he's not gonna make a goofball who joins be a woman9
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In terms of recurring character to be the 11th, Vivi is still one of the best. She has tons of problem against her to be NN but narrative wise she is definitely important. I was interested to see if the reverie arc will help her chances.
However, after the latest chapter, I personally feel like Vivi's chances of becoming the 11th is almost nil…
She acting like a Luffy's fangirl (like the others who Luffy has helped along the way) instead of a crewmate...
Doesn't help that she (& Rebecca) is suffering the Nami clone syndrome which I am not fond of:unsure:
I know there is still the whole thing with Cobra & Alabasta. It seem more likely the revolutionary will help her when things go sour...Sabo is just nearby.While Vivi is still IMPORTANT to the narrative & it's clear she has a role to play in the reverie & future arcs, I think her being the honorary crewmate will be a thing until the end.
She (& the other princesses) will definitely be major ally during the final war.Vivi's chatting and bonding with new friends over a shared acquaintance, and it's implied that her chat with Rebecca was fairly fresh (she was only just being introduced to Leo et al.) before Shirahoshi joined in. Luffy's a common point that each of them have a history with (and for Shirahoshi and Rebecca, very recent history) - it's only natural that, as soon as they became aware of it, they'd gravitate toward a topic they all know before branching out to more individual experiences (the history and current situations of their respective kingdoms, personal goals and dreams, family and friends, etc.). If they'd known each other for a day or two and the Strawhats were still their only topic of conversation, maybe, but they've literally just met… I wouldn't say they're "fangirl-ing" - they're acting pretty much as I'd expect a group of newly-acquainted young women chatting about a mutual friend to act.
Besides, they're at a party specifically for socializing. I'd say wait until the Reverie is properly underway, so that their differences have a chance to come into focus - Vivi will certainly be more involved in the diplomacy aspect than the other two, and I can see both her and Rebecca possibly taking up arms depending on what happens when the proverbial **** hits the fan.
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And the female should be hot or would you be OK with a Lola look alike?
If there would be a final female member - and this is by no means certain given Oda's ways - I would prefer her to be an interesting character and to have a creative design. Obviously. For instance even though I didn't like the previous arc that much (I remember you posted something similiar too ), I though that Big Mom of all people was one of the more interesting female characters in the whole series and I award Oda points for creativity regarding her design, her character and her story. That's what counts for me. And if she looks like Lola, but still fulfills my "requirements" I would be pleased.
Or was your question not supposed to be taken seriously and my German humorlessness prevented me from seeing this?
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@Big:
If there would be a final female member - and this is by no means certain given Oda's ways - I would prefer her to be an interesting character and to have a creative design. Obviously. For instance even though I didn't like the previous arc that much (I remember you posted something similiar too ), I though that Big Mom of all people was one of the more interesting female characters in the whole series and I award Oda points for creativity regarding her design, her character and her story. That's what counts for me. And if she looks like Lola, but still fulfills my "requirements" I would be pleased.
Or was your question not supposed to be taken seriously and my German humorlessness prevented me from seeing this?
A mix of both my good ol german brother
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Let's just meet in the middle and have Bon join
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@Long:
Its Oda he's not gonna make a goofball who joins be a woman
Carrot's pretty goofy :ninja:
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I would take ivankov. Fills both male and female gender, and can even change the gender of the other members in the crew, also fills the grandmother role. And is more fun at parties then zoro, jimbei, robin combined.
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Grandma Ivankov. Fun family.
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If the 11 th turn out to be another weird looking dude, most people will latch on to the newest girl in Wano arc.:ninja:
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What you say is true.Luffy is one of their common topic. (Even Dalton join in.lol)
It's just how I interpret the scene. Other people would have different interpretation from me. That's fine.However, on the topic of this thread, I still think Vivi's chances as NN is still close to nil. If Luffy was crashing into reverie, there is room for discussion.
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What you say is true.Luffy is one of their common topic. (Even Dalton join in.lol)
It's just how I interpret the scene. Other people would have different interpretation from me. That's fine.You're right, of course - it's certainly open to interpretation, and your view is certainly a valid one.
I just have a bit of an issue with the whole "Nami-Clone!" line of discussion and - with Vivi, Rebecca, and Shirahoshi not only all being at the Reverie, but befriending one another - it almost feels like people are going out of their way at the moment to point out the similarities in terms of their characters as well without acknowledging their differences. As though they're not only "Nami-Clones" in terms of body type/facial features, but they're in some way three different instances of the same character on a more fundamental level… "Vivi-Clones", if you will.
The reasons Vivi might (or might not) rejoin the Strawhats are not the same as the reasons Rebecca and Shirahoshi didn't/won't, and I feel it's important to point that out. Of the three, she is by far the most proactive. Say what you will about her combat ability, but comparing the Baroque Works saga to Fishman Island or Punk Hazard/Dressrosa, I'd say Vivi's overall role would be closer to that of Jinbe or Law than Shirahoshi or Rebecca. If things go badly, I can definitely see Vivi getting taken in by the Revolutionaries, and that may ultimately be the path she ends up on, but I just think it's too early to rule out her - and Carue, let's be honest - heading out on their own to find the Thousand Sunny.
Not saying that you were necessarily implying any of that... Just putting my views out there. Apparently everything about the Reverie arc has put me in full Vivi-fanboy mode... :/
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You're right, of course - it's certainly open to interpretation, and your view is certainly a valid one.
I just have a bit of an issue with the whole "Nami-Clone!" line of discussion and - with Vivi, Rebecca, and Shirahoshi not only all being at the Reverie, but befriending one another - it almost feels like people are going out of their way at the moment to point out the similarities in terms of their characters as well without acknowledging their differences. As though they're not only "Nami-Clones" in terms of body type/facial features, but they're in some way three different instances of the same character on a more fundamental level… "Vivi-Clones", if you will.
The reasons Vivi might (or might not) rejoin the Strawhats are not the same as the reasons Rebecca and Shirahoshi didn't/won't, and I feel it's important to point that out. Of the three, she is by far the most proactive. Say what you will about her combat ability, but comparing the Baroque Works saga to Fishman Island or Punk Hazard/Dressrosa, I'd say Vivi's overall role would be closer to that of Jinbe or Law than Shirahoshi or Rebecca. If things go badly, I can definitely see Vivi getting taken in by the Revolutionaries, and that may ultimately be the path she ends up on, but I just think it's too early to rule out her - and Carue, let's be honest - heading out on their own to find the Thousand Sunny.
Not saying that you were necessarily implying any of that... Just putting my views out there. Apparently everything about the Reverie arc has put me in full Vivi-fanboy mode... :/
Just like to clarify, "Nami's clone" is a reference to the facial structure. Nothing to do with the character. It's mostly poking fun at Oda copy pasting the same face over again.
I do agree that Vivi, Rebecca, & Shirahoshi are fundamentally different characters despite being the "princess that Luffy saved".Out of the 3, Vivi is definitely the one that has the most realistic chance of becoming NN albeit very low. I like Vivi a lot. She is a cool character.
In term of narrative, she definitely has an important role to play.Until we get more substantive evidence for her to rejoin the crew, she will just be the "honorary strawhat" in my view.
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I always considered Vivi to be a special strawhat, which traveled for only some time with the crew. And her status is different then other friends and allies.
It's a bit early to tell, buy I'm already feeling disappointed she didn't take more of a lead in thr Reverie arc, as I expected her to be our protagonist. Shirahoshi seems to be our point of view into the whole thing, which made Vivi fade a little into the background, which is a pity. Let"s hope she becomes more active when political discussions begin!
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A mix of both my good ol german brother
Let's just say that big boobs are surely welcome, but not everything.
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Just like to clarify, "Nami's clone" is a reference to the facial structure. Nothing to do with the character. It's mostly poking fun at Oda copy pasting the same face over again.
Yeah, I get that. I'm even generally willing to concede on the facial similarity.
Just had to endure a bit too much "Oh look, it's Princess Nami! Wait, which one?" talk over the past few days and started to feel that some people (not you specifically, just in general) were lumping their characters together in addition to their appearances, so I felt the need to put my thoughts on the matter out there…
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There is a pattern of crewmate addition not counting Luffy which many people already may have noticed. It's like this
1. Strength based melee fighter(Zoro, Chopper)
2. AoE ranged fighter(Nami, Robin)
3. One to one ranged fighter(Usopp, Franky)
4. Speed based melee fighter.(Sanji, Brook)After Brook three are two spots left and one is filled by Jinbe who is a mixture of categories 1 and 2 that is both strength based melee and AoE.
So my take is that the last crewmate will be the mixture of categories 3 and 4, like he will be a speed based ranged 1 vs 1 fighter without AoE.
So, a ninja or a non logia df users fits. Also note that it can be easy to spot the last crewmate since ranged weapons without AoE are limited in number in the One Piece world and since slingshot and guns are already covered by Usopp and Franky, what's left are Bow and Arrows, Shigan, Boomerang, Detachable spears, Throwing axes, Blowdarts and DF related projectiles.