Surprised it has taken this long to have Luffy fight someone with similar powers to himself.
Good chapter overall.
Surprised it has taken this long to have Luffy fight someone with similar powers to himself.
Good chapter overall.
I think it boils down to the want of having pre timeskip feels where the protagonists wouldn't roflstomp their way through everything. If a villain gets dealt with easily they're simply not as memorable so I think people cheering for strong bad guys is because it makes for a much better story, I can look back at so and so fight fondly because it's the fight that pushed our protagonists to exceed their limits and address their shortcomings.
@Shobu:
What's doing Pound? I don't know, why leavin'?
I would guess he has gathered some ingredients on his ship before he left, that will come handy with baking the cake.
Also him meeting Chiffon and Pudding will catalyze that Pudding tells us the whole story of her and Lola.
@Kaido:
Except, as Jinbe explicitly stated, it wasn't meaningless. The fact that Pedro's sacrifice only allowed the Straw Hats to get a little bit ahead is more indicative of the Big Mom Pirates' capability. Much like the built-up-for-years Tamatebako. The Straw Hats would have been completely screwed over if Pedro hadn't… died
If this wasn't One Piece I wuold agree that the outcome would have been enough to justify a character blowing themselves up as sacrifice.
Unfortunately this is One Piece and Oda does not do death lightly. Yeah I know the SH were fucked but from an Authors point of view Oda could have found another solution to the problem that didn't involve a character basically committing suicide. For example, Oda could have used the Sun pirates and the big titan dude that came with Jinbei as a means of getting the SH away from the coast.
Anyway my point is I will be very very very surprised if Pedro ends up dead by suicide. It would be Oda doing something outside the norm and that is interesting .
LOL, the big Titan dude is a foodder.
Mangastream is out if anyone wants to read their version: http://readms.net/r/one_piece/879/4575/1
LOL, the big Titan dude is a foodder.
But he'd still technically have the raw power to remove the Sunny from Pedo's candy.
By the way, this is a mirror match that is taking place in a mirror world. It's a mirrorsception!
Well noticed!–-These last two chapters are so good, I'm really happy rn. Who or what will save Luffy?
Unfortunately this is One Piece and Oda does not do death lightly. Yeah I know the SH were fucked but from an Authors point of view Oda could have found another solution to the problem that didn't involve a character basically committing suicide. For example, Oda could have used the Sun pirates and the big titan dude that came with Jinbei as a means of getting the SH away from the coast.
Anyway my point is I will be very very very surprised if Pedro ends up dead by suicide. It would be Oda doing something outside the norm and that is interesting .
I don't see how that solution would have been realistically feasible. Would the Sun Pirates have been able to bring down Perospero or take care of his candy? Almost certainly not in an efficient manner. With cannonballs converging on them and Big Mom literally on their tail, the Straw Hats needed to be freed instantly. Oda took care to portray the Straw Hats as being in a nigh inescapable situation, and while I concede that he could have done a better job of not rushing it, it was quite obvious to me that drastic measures would be the only way out of this. So Pedro's death wasn't handled lightly, very far from it.
Gear 4th is not going to work. Katakuri will have a counter also for that. It almost feels like Luffy's fighting his antagonistic counterpart.
By the way, this is a mirror match that is taking place in a mirror world. It's a mirrorsception!
True that.
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Now that I know how to deal with her personality issues, I think
Pudding attitude is cute :D
I think that in the end Luffy will scare Katakuri.
Scare him with his resolve and guts. Its like what Zeff said about Luffy and him not fearing anything/ something along those lines - it being greatest power there is.
Luffy might be lacking speed and strength but his willpower is insane and he will push through this fight winning thanks to that!
Cannot wait for rest of this fight… also chances for Luffy are bigger as space they are in is rather closed and that is great thing for Luffy.
I expect that Luffy picked Bellamys ultimate move - he will bounce from all walls and gather momentum to crush Katakuri. Luffys and Bellamys powers were kind of alike in some departments and winning with someone who has similar power to you using technique that you picked from somebody else who also had similar ability to yours would be SWEEET! In my eyes at least.
That dude Perospero sure is annoying. Fucking go down already. And what's with controling his arm in real time? Is he also a special paramecia? Awakening? Working as intended?
Anyway, best chapter in a while. Each stage had plenty of coverage and the transitions were well placed. Nami's navigation skills will be thoroughly tested, but I imagine Sun Pirates will help at some point. They will need it if the cake is to be finished in time. It will probably be finished at the last possible moment, but still.
Excited to see which route Oda goes with Luffy. The fights where Luffy is at a disadvantage are always the best. He loses in range, speed and power, so what does that leave him with? I'm hoping for another form of G4, more suited for taking down smaller and faster opponents.
What does Luffy have that Katakuri doesn't? Greater damage potential should he be able to control his body/rubber more freely with possible Awakening and Conqueror Haki which he might have learned to use more offensively or will learn to use during this fight.
Also, maybe he's buying time before he actually goes all out. Getting a sense of everything Katakuri can do.
Jimmy is awesome and is becoming one of my absolute favourite characters of the series.
An "enraged" BM giving an angry Peros a ride who in turn provides her a foothold at sea is somewhat cool but weird at the same time. Also they shouldn´t be faster than the Sunny.
Sun and Cloud stuck on the coast wondering where everyone went is funny, but a bit convenient.
Luffy getting outsped and overpowered in his pre-TS forms is not really a surprise after how the Dofla and Cracker fights unfolded, let´s see what happens with G4.
Katakuri copying Luffy´s attacks in such a devastating way was a pretty neat showcase of superiority, mocking the oponent with his own moves, just better.
Unfortunately for me, I got stuck on that kicking action sequence, which slightly confused me:
This made it seem like Kata managed to finish his left leg kick and use that left leg as his foothold for the right leg kick that connected with Luffy´s face, OR the connecting kick was an aerial rotating one after the left leg kick, without touching the ground in-between the two kicks. That´s like twice as much action as Luffy within the same time frame.
Or maybe it´s just one and the same kick and this is another case of an incorrect drawing of the same body side between two consecutive panels that has for some reason occured on several occasions recently.
Looking forward to what Luffy comes up with to succeed here.
The thing is and as was highlighted in chapter before, you can have all the observation prowess at your disposal but if you don't have the speed and reflexes to do something about it it counts for naught. So when Luffy whizzed away to avoid the kick Katakuris speed to take his action into account with a speedy reaction shows it's not just his observation that's at play here. Also Doffy blocked G3 attacks with his web barrier or simply avoided it. Katakuri produced a mammoth gun against it and didn't exactly block the attack he pushed him into the ceiling…
It different with Katakuri since he see much further into the future comapre to other CoO users.
I sure he fast and powerful but if you know what some is going to do in advance it's a huge advantage in a fighting .
That dude Perospero sure is annoying. Fucking go down already. And what's with controling his arm in real time? Is he also a special paramecia? Awakening? Working as intended?
Anyway, best chapter in a while. Each stage had plenty of coverage and the transitions were well placed. Nami's navigation skills will be thoroughly tested, but I imagine Sun Pirates will help at some point. They will need it if the cake is to be finished in time. It will probably be finished at the last possible moment, but still.
Excited to see which route Oda goes with Luffy. The fights where Luffy is at a disadvantage are always the best. He loses in range, speed and power, so what does that leave him with? I'm hoping for another form of G4, more suited for taking down smaller and faster opponents.
What does Luffy have that Katakuri doesn't? Greater damage potential should he be able to control his body/rubber more freely with possible Awakening and Conqueror Haki which he might have learned to use more offensively or will learn to use during this fight.
Also, maybe he's buying time before he actually goes all out. Getting a sense of everything Katakuri can do.
I think he could overwhelm Katakuris CoO with speed and rapid attack rate that using Bellamys attack(the one where he bounces around, bouncing from walls everything) would give him in Gear Fourth Boundman. Area where Luffy and Katakuri are fighting looks perfect for using such attack- Gomu Gomu no Baka Shellstorm(okay I went overboard with that name ;) ).
Been a while since I've been interested in the members of the main villain's crew. Buggy's Crew, Arlong's crew, Baroque Works, Enel's Priests, CP9 and Moria's crew had memorable crew members mainly because of their panel time and the fights they were in. Hody's crew was a let down because they went down too easily, Donflamingo's crew was also a letdown in my opinion, easily forgettable. When the current arc started I thought it was heading them same way with Big Mom's crew but Katakuri and Perospero are two characters in particular that I wont forget. They are both awesome villains for the SHs and have proven worthy of being elites in a Yonko pirate crew.
Jinbe was brilliant in this chapter he really showed his experience. Zoro and Jinbe are the ones that are always focused on their goal despite their emotions, Luffy too but sometimes he can go off the rails.
So there is no way Pedro is dead right? I don't think Oda would have his death more or less be meaningless in the end.
wait,what?
pedro is dead, no way he is alive..even if he somehow survived the explosion,he was still RIGHT THERE with all of big mom's men on the coast..even if his body was still intact and breathing,he would have been killed on the spot anyway…this remembers me a lot of monet and how people didn't believe her death even after seeing her heart being stabbed and her dying in front of the "camera"
also,how is his death meaningless? he helped them escape from the coast where they were trapped..they knew from the beginning that they were not "safe" even after that@Jaime:
Sadly so, a role I don't see they really need if Usopp is a sniper, imo.
Unless their's some need to have a role filled, trying to fit someone into that is meaningless.
Jinbei had some foreshadowing on being one and needing one.
a sniper's place is where the cannons are..what he would do on the crow's nest? sniping is not about eyesight@Shobu:
I really love to see Luffy humiliated, excellent chapter. Jinbe's the one with pants at the crew and Perorin <3!!! gave me even chills!
Yep, a very good chapter, great there Oda.
What's doing Pound? I don't know, why leavin'?
because last time they tried to kill him?:blink:@Sereques:
At the risk of emotional debate, why is this a thing? I was at another forum today and they were all celebrating Katakuri's supposed "victory". This is a guy that has been beaten, humiliated and bean the risk of dying far more than anyone.
you ain't see anything…the one forum i used to post on before i came here was choke full of marine symphatizers...including the webmaster and the chief mod (and i suppose the other mods too were chosen with such criteria
the world of onepiece fandoms it's as big as the onepiece world itself@huron:
Why does not Jinbe attack them with seawater meteors like while taking a warship in impel down
Should be effective against 2 fruit users no matter how strong they are
Or attack them from underwater
that would also mean stopping the ship, and if jinbe fails they are dead, or leave jinbe behind
Gear 4th is not going to work. Katakuri will have a counter also for that. It almost feels like Luffy's fighting his antagonistic counterpart.
By the way, this is a mirror match that is taking place in a mirror world. It's a mirrorsception!
Gear 4 is much fast and has much more power also along with more defence.
It going to be interesting to see what happen when luffy goes gear 4 .
Wonder if we going to see him do attacks like the one that beat don .
Not sure how I feel about the candy working in water…
I sure hope the outcome of Luffy vs Katakuri wont be decided by electricity
Doflamingo: "Gear 2nd is faster than me, but your attacks don't have enough power to damage me. Gear 3rd is more powerful than me, but your attacks don't have enough speed to hit me."
Katakuri: "I am faster than Gear 2nd and more powerful than Gear 3rd."
I am really really hyped.
The way Katakuri uses his DF is beautiful. Finally, a bounty that matches the name. I haven't seen anyone match Luffy in speed until now.
Hmm, Doflamingo was faster until Gear 4, which Luffy hasn't used against Katakuri yet.
The enemy who can match all of the protagonist's techniques, perhaps exceeding them, is a shonen cliche; on the other hand, the protagonist always manages to win in the end.
So, Katakuri's fate is decided. Not very original, but still pretty cool to see.
I didn't think the first half of the chapter would take that long but, actually, I liked it every bit as much as the fighting portion. The expressions of the crew, Jinbe rallying them, the subtleties like how Nami is trying to keep the calmest out of them all, while Chopper and Brook are just crying their eyes out cause Pedro's sacrifice is, to a certain degree, their responsability, and the fact that, just like last week I loved Nami's expression when he saw Perospero was alive, this week Carrot also showed genuine disdain (mixed with fear, I'd say) when she saw Perospero is also on their trail.
Talking about the candyman himself, I love what Oda is doing with Perospero, he's become a bonafide creepy and menacing villain. In an arc full of villains with marvelous designs but that, unfortunately, had very little screen time, Perospero is right now shining the most.
Pudding still has this shtick that I'm sure is irritating, immature and could've been soooo much more. . . but goddammit, she's just. . .so entertaining to look at! Her silliness, her facefaults, her imitations. . .Again, I think even if it is for the shallowest of reasons, she's the single, most entertaining token female companion of the arc since. . .Caimie?
And yeah, it was super short (I kinda called it), but the Katakuri vs. Luffy, so far, is definitely good stuff. I guess now comes Gear 4th and Katakuri will need to put in some more effort, but so far, he is shown as a genuine force to be reckoned with.
Loved this chapter, even more than last week's. Sooo short, though. . . .
Doflamingo wasn't faster than Gear Second in most instances. He got hit by Red Hawk plus…Hawk Bazooka? But shrugged it off both times, referring to the second instance as tickles.
Also add Cracker to the mix - not fast, but too strong for both Gear Second and Gear Third. I like the different ways Luffy's abilities have been tested so far.
Not sure how I feel about the candy working in water…
What do you mean ?
I hope you not thinking that some sea water would melt\dissolve the candy .
Plus Perospero is there so he can make more if that happens .
Sea water makes candy taste better :wub:
I think he could overwhelm Katakuris CoO with speed and rapid attack rate that using Bellamys attack(the one where he bounces around, bouncing from walls everything) would give him in Gear Fourth Boundman. Area where Luffy and Katakuri are fighting looks perfect for using such attack- Gomu Gomu no Baka Shellstorm(okay I went overboard with that name ;) ).
The Best thing i have read here, i believe the only way to win is to overcome the CoO of Katakuri with Randomness like he first did on Enel.
He need to land a hit to win.
Btw i sure missed Zoro, wonder what the Rest of the crew is doing
Nice chapter. If there's something i don't quite like it'll be Jinbei boring talk about ready to die. He just repeating the same speech "ready to die" ever since Impel Down and Marineford arc.
What do you mean ?
I hope you not thinking that some sea water would melt\dissolve the candy .
Plus Perospero is there so he can make more if that happens .
Took me too long to see someone else bothered with the candy working on water.
Seawater should cancel devil fruits power. That is why Jinbe said it was impossible even for her. Maybe create candy and leave it at sea is something, but making it move is a very long stretch…
Plus, how deep is the ocean? Maybe he had time to make all that candy but sea was supposed to be the weakness for every devil fruit user, now they can become god, by awakening, and produce as much as they want to stay on sea?
I NEVER complain, but did not liked this.
Took me too long to see someone else bothered with the candy working on water.
Seawater should cancel devil fruits power. That is why Jinbe said it was impossible even for her. Maybe create candy and leave it at sea is something, but making it move is a very long stretch…
Plus, how deep is the ocean? Maybe he had time to make all that candy but sea was supposed to be the weakness for every devil fruit user, now they can become god, by awakening, and produce as much as they want to stay on sea?
I NEVER complain, but did not liked this.
It isn't so much moving as Perospero is just piling up candy in front. Otherwise BM wouldn't have to walk.
Seawater should cancel devil fruits power.
It prevents the user from actively using it while underwater (and even that is shaky at besT); it doesn't at all prevent the DF itself. That's why Luffy is still stretchy underwater (forgot about him punshing giant fish or him being saved way back at Arlong?). Pero is not underwater, his candy is on top of the water; there is no problem here.
wait,what?
pedro is dead, no way he is alive..even if he somehow survived the explosion,he was still RIGHT THERE with all of big mom's men on the coast..even if his body was still intact and breathing,he would have been killed on the spot anyway…this remembers me a lot of monet and how people didn't believe her death even after seeing her heart being stabbed and her dying in front of the "camera"
also,how is his death meaningless? he helped them escape from the coast where they were trapped..they knew from the beginning that they were not "safe" even after that
Its just that the way he died is very out of character for Oda. You have to remember that Pedro committed Suicide bombing. Oda just doesn't do that, if he has please remind me. Also this reminds of Wiper and how using the Impact dial was supposed to kill him but it didn't. At least with Wiper there was build up to it though. Pedro just decides to Blow himself up and that's it? I just don't believe that Oda's third on screen death would go down like this.
Also remember Vivi's bodyguard getting blown up on the boat and then casually surviving it?
I think luffy has to win this fight. not only is his life on the line there is someone with a devil fruit to mimic and outmatch luffys. if he was to just escape, the question will always be that there is is a guy who can do all luffy does but better. and if he loses then people will never Shut up about how he can't handle a 1v1 anymore. luffy is already talked down upon by one piece fans as it is. apart from that katakuri is a great character and probably luffys toughest challenge yet! it's gonna take something special to beat dogtooth.
Now then, while I'm not particularly sad about Pedro dying(I still don't believe it lol), I am touched by how hard Nami and the rest are taking it. It's so easy for us as hardcore One Piece readers to over look deaths in this series but I still like to take into account the characters perspective on things. I don't truly believe in character deaths but I do believe the characters feelings.
Yeah, considering Oda's writing style on these kinds of deaths, this actually is the way they actually can work. I really don't like when they are used solely for shock value and fake drama - for the readers. But if it's actually the characters that react emotionally, the deaths actually work.
Besides, I expect Kaido to kill some of the Strwahats right in front of Luffy's eyes somewhen in the Wano arc. Of course, we as readers instantly know that they aren't dead, but it's all about Luffy's emotional reaction then, of course.
I think Luffy's going to have to bust out the Octopus Fireworks like he did against Enel.
But he'd still technically have the raw power to remove the Sunny from Pedo's candy.
I doubt that but that's all speculation at this point.
Its just that the way he died is very out of character for Oda. You have to remember that Pedro committed Suicide bombing. Oda just doesn't do that, if he has please remind me. Also this reminds of Wiper and how using the Impact dial was supposed to kill him but it didn't. At least with Wiper there was build up to it though. Pedro just decides to Blow himself up and that's it? I just don't believe that Oda's third on screen death would go down like this.
Also remember Vivi's bodyguard getting blown up on the boat and then casually surviving it?
Igaram never blew up with the ship since robin wasn't really on crocodile's side since the beginning
also the problem is not survivng the bomb (strapped to his chest that blew off the arm of the enemy in front of him), but the fact that if he survived,he would still be right there in front of perospero and the rest of the big mom pirates…and even without that he would still be heavily wounded on enemy territory while the rest of the crew sailed away.
Its just that the way he died is very out of character for Oda. You have to remember that Pedro committed Suicide bombing. Oda just doesn't do that, if he has please remind me. Also this reminds of Wiper and how using the Impact dial was supposed to kill him but it didn't. At least with Wiper there was build up to it though. Pedro just decides to Blow himself up and that's it? I just don't believe that Oda's third on screen death would go down like this.
Also remember Vivi's bodyguard getting blown up on the boat and then casually surviving it?
In the first half of the story it was imperative that absolutely no one should die in the present time to make Ace and WB as shocking as possible. Since the NW we already have Vergo & Monet in an uncertain situation, and Pedro so far seems to be most likely dead. If Oda had to resort to a short flashback of Roger, then its almost a guarantee at this point. If he is 100% dead like V&M, then we can expect more deaths in the future.
It prevents the user from actively using it while underwater (and even that is shaky at besT); it doesn't at all prevent the DF itself. .
To add on, Luffy can still be stretchy since the fruit was like a "switch" and made his body permanently rubber.
Hmm, Doflamingo was faster until Gear 4, which Luffy hasn't used against Katakuri yet.
The enemy who can match all of the protagonist's techniques, perhaps exceeding them, is a shonen cliche; on the other hand, the protagonist always manages to win in the end.
So, Katakuri's fate is decided. Not very original, but still pretty cool to see.
Dofy wasn't faster, he even commended Luffy for his speed but said he lacks power.
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Crocodile was mocking Luffy when his attacks were still simple saying it's not about the DF but how you use it. I foresee Luffy getting multiple arms in this fight and beating Katakuri with Luffy saying you're right, this is more effective. Katakuri won't be able to dodge that many arms at that speed.
Oda is a genius, he knows if he suddenly gives Luffy all these strange techniques, the fan base will say it's ass pull, plot armor blah blah blah. He started by convincing everyone that Katakuri and Luffy's DF are similar, Carrot made a comment about it last chapter. So, when Luffy starts doing all the things Kakakuri did, no one can claim ass pull. Now, am so hyped for the fight and future Luffy.
The short fight between Kata and Luffy alone was the only part the I cared about and it was pretty good. I'll be looking forward to seeing the rest of it! :)
Dofy wasn't faster, he even commended Luffy for his speed but said he lacks power.
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Crocodile was mocking Luffy when his attacks were still simple saying it's not about the DF but how you use it. I foresee Luffy getting multiple arms in this fight and beating Katakuri with Luffy saying you're right, this is more effective. Katakuri won't be able to dodge that many arms at that speed.
Doffy was able to react to Luffys speed before Luffy went into Gear Fourth. He surely commented on Luffy being quick but lacking power though.
As for fight with Katakuri I expect something like Luffy copying Bellamys final attack while in Gear Fourth + tiny bit of awakening that would turn what Luffy touches to have rubber properties - if he gets punched into wall he can just bounce back and also avoid any damage from hitting a wall. Would be cool boost to his style and would give more potential for some fast paced action.
Loved the chapter.
Gotta also remember that Cracker was throwing Luffy around without Gear 4 too. Even then without Nami, Cracker made Gear 4 obsolete.
His DF was also insane making that many Cracker clones capable of semi-tanking Gear 4 hits.
Will be interesting to see how Katakuri will react to the recoil based Gear 4. His mochi won't have the same recoil and bouncy force of it.
Some people mentioned using Bellamys technique or the move with Enel, can definitely see it.
Now that I think about it and how Luffy absorbed Doffys Atheletes foot and the only thing to have shown to pierce him is Cracker so far.
Katakuri has been mainly using blunt force, although he does have his trident. The blunt force might just be easily used against him like against Cracker when he tried to finish him
Loved the chapter.
Gotta also remember that Cracker was throwing Luffy around without Gear 4 too. Even then without Nami, Cracker made Gear 4 obsolete.
His DF was also insane making that many Cracker clones capable of semi-tanking Gear 4 hits.
Will be interesting to see how Katakuri will react to the recoil based Gear 4. His mochi won't have the same recoil and bouncy force of it.
I hope that at least his body will react in flashy way to Luffy punches.
We must acknowledge that Katakuri being Yonko right hand man and also over 1 Bln bounty is very likely to be equal or very very close to strength of an Marine Admiral.
I actually can see Katakuri going toe to toe with for example Kizaru. And Luffy fighting someone that strong is an awesome thing itself.
I was one to criticize Oda a lot during the previous chapters. Thankfully he came back to his senses. This is what One Piece stands for. These kind of chapters are the ones that made me love the series. Everything fell back to how it was in the past times. Just hope those poor chapters wont be repeated again, at least for a while.
Really looking forward to Luffy vs Katakuri. Finally a good fighting battle. Things looking more interesting at the other part of the crew as well. Maybe some showdown for Sanji and the others vs Pero&Mama?!
Although it's pretty clear that Katakuri is going down, which is cool given how powerful he's been established to be, it would be even cooler if that did not happen.
A possible way out of the current scenario would be Katakuri seeing, through CoO, that his next hit is gonna give Luffy the resolution he needs to surpass him. Seeing his own defeat, Katakuri would be forced to retreat.
We would also save Luffy's power-up for the next story arc, which I view favourably because the cycle strong enemy -> power up -> stronger enemy -> another power up has gotten boring in this beautiful but extremely long running manga.
I don't get why Zeus isn't with BM, though. After he shoot that massive lightning, he reverted back and was just casually talking to Prometheus, but apparently they suddenly lost BM somehow even though that was just a moment before she arrived on the coast (from where she is moving away very slowly and for a while wasn't moving at all)? How the fuck did that even happened?
Jinbei really fits well in the crew dynamics,despite many people feeling the opposite before this arc…
we technically have 3 "adults" in this crew already, franky,brook and robin...but brook it's more like the retarded gramp of the family...franky it's silly too but he can be serious too, but he lacks the experience in the grand line, let alone the new world...robin knows a lot of stuff but she also almost never takes initiative or challenges luffy at all..she is the kind that softly remembers you what it must be done instead of slapping you in the face with it...jinbe instead it's exactly that kind of guy..he has been through a lot of shit, and he is the kind of seasoned warrior that the crew needs to navigate the high level of piracy they are just entering now
DFs always working on water itself when using from outside of it. Remember that kuzan froze the entire water around marineford with his fingers when he fell down the attack.