Being an Oni is the most anime thing you can be.
I think I get what you're trying to stay by this, but this makes no sense tbh.
Being an Oni is the most anime thing you can be.
I think I get what you're trying to stay by this, but this makes no sense tbh.
Not being emotional at all. It's just baffling how a people think this character is a good idea I feel like I'm reading a different manga sometimes it's crazy.
I mean in theory he can beat and or cripple every DF user in this series. Logia included.
This on top of the gargantuan pile of excuses I've been reading over the years. It's crazy.
But he gets a pass cuz he fights good? I mean that's just as bad as wanting someone in cuz she has big tits.
I've never seen anyone wanting Jinbe because he's strong. To the contrary, I've seen many Sanji fans saying he won't join because it's threatening Sanji's status as a member of "Monster Trio", or because he has to high bounty, too much experience etc. You have to be very biased to compare Jinbe's design to Carrot; oni is unique within the series and he has other details aisde of that, e. g. the scar. Carrot has literally nothing like this. He also already has a fleshed out back story which people loved with more to come potentially and some very impactful scenes with Luffy ("count what remains" and blood donation being the most important). Jinbe is a good idea.
I think I get what you're trying to stay by this, but this makes no sense tbh.
Meaning that it would be highly unusual for the cast we have so far with all of their different bobs and quirks to have as stereotypical as an Oni wearing Japanese grab. I'm mean Zoro's got the Japanese presentation in spades, with the katanas and the belly warmer, and the frocks coat that's made up to look like a kimono. Also, I'm at a loss for words when a top knot is being called unique when we were just introduced to two who wore the same style and before them, Ryuuma had one.
Does that make more sense or no?
I've never seen anyone wanting Jinbe because he's strong. To the contrary, I've seen many Sanji fans saying he won't join because it's threatening Sanji's status as a member of "Monster Trio", or because he has to high bounty, too much experience etc. You have to be very biased to compare Jinbe's design to Carrot; oni is unique within the series and he has other details aisde of that, e. g. the scar. Carrot has literally nothing like this. He also already has a fleshed out back story which people loved with more to come potentially and some very impactful scenes with Luffy ("count what remains" and blood donation being the most important). Jinbe is a good idea.
Zoro has a scar… like on the same eye...
I hope he's a good idea, cuz if he joins and he's not, well, ya'know...
Zoro has a scar… like on the same eye...
I hope he's a good idea, cuz if he joins and he's not, well, ya'know...
The scar is different, more unusual shape and might be plot-important, also Jinbe had it first and that was just an example. And are you seriously still doubting he'll join? Like, for real?
Meaning that it would be highly unusual for the cast we have so far with all of their different bobs and quirks to have as stereotypical as an Oni wearing Japanese grab. I'm mean Zoro's got the Japanese presentation in spades, with the katanas and the belly warmer, and the frocks coat that's made up to look like a kimono. Also, I'm at a loss for words when a top knot is being called unique when we were just introduced to two who wore the same style and before them, Ryuuma had one.
Does that make more sense or no?
yep, thanks.
Not being emotional at all. It's just baffling how a people think this character is a good idea I feel like I'm reading a different manga sometimes it's crazy.
I mean in theory he can beat and or cripple every DF user in this series. Logia included.
This on top of the gargantuan pile of excuses I've been reading over the years. It's crazy.
But he gets a pass cuz he fights good? I mean that's just as bad as wanting someone in cuz she has big tits.
Eh, the protagonist has immunity to blunt damage yet can still get pushed well in fights. Oda can handle this well, and this is probably why he waited all the way until the New World for Jimbei to become a character. Being able to damage Logias does not stand out when Armament Haki is now a thing too.
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The arc's main villain is fat
Ussop got fat once
Oda is one of the few Shonen manga authors that I know of that even makes fat women
A power up for the main character was getting fat.
Lucky Roo is Fat.
Moriah is fat
You know what… I can't.
This is too silly.
Compared to the Straw Hats? Jimbei is unique. And Robby is trying to say that fat designs are unusual for Oda compared to his overall tendencies. He tends to sparingly use fat designs compared to thin characters. And notice how every character you can name that is fat is usually a big stand out major character in this series besides mooks like Mr. 4 and Fukuro. But even then, notice how they are the only "fat" characters in their respective factions. It's clear that Oda looks at "fat" characters as a way to make a character stand out in a group rather than a casual thing you see often and don't pay much mind too.
Meaning that it would be highly unusual for the cast we have so far with all of their different bobs and quirks to have as stereotypical as an Oni wearing Japanese grab. I'm mean Zoro's got the Japanese presentation in spades, with the katanas and the belly warmer, and the frocks coat that's made up to look like a kimono. Also, I'm at a loss for words when a top knot is being called unique when we were just introduced to two who wore the same style and before them, Ryuuma had one.
Having an undead skeleton character in a pirate story is already stereotypical (let alone having the most cliche pirate laugh ever), but we know that Brook is executed uniquely enough to stand out on that front. Usopp has a nose like Pinocchio and Chopper has a blue nose like Rudolph's red nose. They aren't straight-up stereotypes as much as Jimbei or Brook, of course, but inspiration for their designs is taken straight out of very popular fictional tales. Jinbe's design in special in relation to One Piece as a series overall, and compared to other oni is at least Oda's signature/only oni-esque character. And people are saying Jimbei's top knot is unique compared to all of the other Straw Hats. it is the combination of all of his design quirks, not merely one, that shows Oda put a lot of thought into his design regardless of how easy it is to take inspiration from oni designs in Japanese mythology as a mangaka.
And ironically, Ryuma's design still looks like it has more thought put into it than Carrot's ever did with details like the bandage eyepatch, his scarf, and the other Japanese samurai attire with the only thing he really shared in common with Zoro at the time was wielding a katana. Same for Kine'mon, but he lost points when Kanjuro and Raizou were revealed to also look like kabuki theatre caricatures. Which goes against how every Straw Hat is supposed to look vastlt unique in their arc settings/themes, typically complementing how they are social outcasts.
Zoro has Japanese representation, but pre-timeskip, he didn't have that coat yet. Jinbe's top knot, wooden sandals, and kimono are all unique compared to how Zoro references Japan. In the same way that Sanji and pre-timeskip Brook both wore suits, but you could obviously pick apart details and specific attire that were different enough to co-exist (Sanji having a tie while Brook has an ascot, Brook having a top hat and propped up collar, etc). As well as Zoro and Brook both having swords, but clearly very different swords as well styles of swordplay.
Zoro has a scar… like on the same eye...
I hope he's a good idea, cuz if he joins and he's not, well, ya'know...
It's about how the scar is drawn, as well as how its presence makes Jimbei more detailed in being asymmetrical (Oda loves having his major character designs look asymmetrical with at least one unique detail on the side of a character. The only notable exceptions I find to this are maybe the Admirals, but that happened to probably fit with how the Marines have a uniform dress code aesthetic). Luffy's thin cheek scar stitches are all over the place, like with Bellamy and Crocodile. Scarry face flesh has gotten around like with Sabo, Akainu, Kuzan, Kid, technically Luffy's chest scar (but it stands out brilliantly in its big X shape). But Jinbe's somewhat thick lightning-shaped scar? There hasn't been a face scar that has looked so unique since probably Shank's three scars over his left eye.
Although him joining Buggy, Alvida and Gal Dino would be awesome. And if that happens, they should rename themselves into the "I hate the Strawhats" Crew
That's even better! I'm fully behind this now.
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It's from chapter 875. The ram-mounting sword-user little kid from BMP.
Well, I'm not sure where this thread is currently at but I have a few characters I think should be official Strawhats and not just allies or Grand Fleet members.
Bartolomeo - I loved his character and it doesn't matter if he annoyed you or not. He would be the perfect addition to the crew and wouldn't even require a lot of panel time. He is filler gold. Just imagine his one responsibility is to protect the ship with his awesome defensive powers. Great comic relief when needed and he adds some more "edge" to the crew.
Cavendish - Actually makes a little more sense than Bartolomeo but I think it would have been great to have both of them. They're great foils to one another. He would serve as a great charmer, blocked an attack from Doflamingo with regular effort. Has an interesting quirk. Even if he was relegated, with Bartolomeo, to be a ship protector he would be great. It'd be awesome if the core original group never had to split up again due to "protecting the Sunny."
Trafalgar D Water Law - come on now. He's a better doctor than Chopper, if he wasn't being nerfed constantly he'd be virtually unstoppable. Only male character that could realistically get along with Zoro's attitude. His crew isn't anything overly special or interesting to me. I'd be fine with them "sadly" dying in a sacrificial manner. Maybe Bepo can live. I just love his interactions with the crew.
Charlotte Pudding - this is a contingent choice. If she's simply struggling with the facade she has been putting up with all of her life, then I'd love to have her. If she's really some psycho bi-polar girl she would just be too annoying. She could be the pastry chef.
Carrot - she fits in perfectly, they're not making a special trip back to Zoa, and I'm not sure who would take her back. Give her the snow fruit and let her be the "tracker" of the group or something cheesy like that. This would bring Luffy closer to having every race on his crew.
*Jinbe - he's a shoe-in hence the asterisk but I don't count him as official until there's a fancy little Oda-box saying he's the newest member.
Marco - this would be a long shot and it would have to mean the WB pirates are done for. It would be insanely cool though. Imagine Marco saying something like, "eh, I was never meant to leave and since the old man and that lil' spitfire believed in you so much, I guess it wouldn't be terrible to tag along." The fandom would go nuts.
Marco cant join because arlong park favorite burgess MUST GET HIS FRUIT
But yeah I cant see him tagging along either, though he's kind of cool
I think zou will make its way to wano
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Dear God no lol. Burgess is a jobber at best. Can't kill a phoenix son!
That would be interesting, can we include Zou as a part of the Grand Fleet!?
Anyways, it could be interesting for Kuzan to join after double crossing Blackbeard. Burgess made me think of possible Blackbeard defectors lol.
Well, I'm not sure where this thread is currently at but I have a few characters I think should be official Strawhats and not just allies or Grand Fleet members.
First of all, welcome to the forum! I appreciate seeing new faces post in threads to share opinions.
Bartolomeo - I loved his character and it doesn't matter if he annoyed you or not. He would be the perfect addition to the crew and wouldn't even require a lot of panel time. He is filler gold. Just imagine his one responsibility is to protect the ship with his awesome defensive powers. Great comic relief when needed and he adds some more "edge" to the crew.
Bartolomeo's a huge fan-favorite. But I don't see him ever rising above being one of the Grand Fleet captains, which is quite prestigious in and of itself. Back when Dressrosa was going on, I saw a bunch of theories about Bartolomeo being recruited in order to protect the ship. While I was somewhat open to him becoming a crew member, I always find the prospect of a job like that to be disappointing. The fun in One Piece is in seeing how all of the Straw Hats adventure together on new islands. Bartolomeo frequently staying behind to protect the ship would underwhelm that aspect and prevent him from seeing much character interaction. Also, having a guy with invincible shields protect the ship can take out a lot of drama in future arcs if the crew/Thousand Sunny is in danger. It feels too late in the story for Bartolomeo to get a notable enough role in an arc for his joining to be relevant like everybody else.
Cavendish - Actually makes a little more sense than Bartolomeo but I think it would have been great to have both of them. They're great foils to one another. He would serve as a great charmer, blocked an attack from Doflamingo with regular effort. Has an interesting quirk. Even if he was relegated, with Bartolomeo, to be a ship protector he would be great. It'd be awesome if the core original group never had to split up again due to "protecting the Sunny."
My feelings on Cavendish are the same as Bartolomeo, except I never entertained him as a potential crewmate since we really don't need a third swordsman. His swordsmanship and Hakuba don't seem much different from Brook's aside from perhaps being stronger. Bartolomeo and Cavendish are great foils to each other, which is why it's fine for them to stay in charge of the Grand Fleet and show up occasionally. The both of them being present in the crew would be redundant since their rival is pretty much what Zoro and Sanji's relationship already is.
Trafalgar D Water Law - come on now. He's a better doctor than Chopper, if he wasn't being nerfed constantly he'd be virtually unstoppable. Only male character that could realistically get along with Zoro's attitude. His crew isn't anything overly special or interesting to me. I'd be fine with them "sadly" dying in a sacrificial manner. Maybe Bepo can live. I just love his interactions with the crew.
I don't like Chopper being sidelined as much as he already is. He doesn't deserve that lol. His crew is boring, but their existence is what makes his crewmate potential null. Besides, he is much more engaging as an equal ally to Luffy than his lackey. He can get along with Zoro, but that's sort of because they're personalities are similar aside from Zoro being lazy and Law being tactical.
Charlotte Pudding - this is a contingent choice. If she's simply struggling with the facade she has been putting up with all of her life, then I'd love to have her. If she's really some psycho bi-polar girl she would just be too annoying. She could be the pastry chef.
I don't think we need two chefs in the crew. Her Devil Fruit power also seems like it is too hax and not made for combat unless it was reworked to act more like Paulie's ropes. She's struggling with Big Mom, but I think once all is said and done in this arc, she might still stay in Totland. Because of a major theory floating around about how Totland will end, I don't see Big Mom staying a hardcore villain.
Carrot - she fits in perfectly, they're not making a special trip back to Zoa, and I'm not sure who would take her back. Give her the snow fruit and let her be the "tracker" of the group or something cheesy like that. This would bring Luffy closer to having every race on his crew.
I… kind of assumed that Zou would actually travel to Wano Country. Momo and Inurashi are there, so they have to get to Wano Country somehow. And we still have no idea what Zunisha's role in the Void Century was. And if anything, I would prefer for the Minks to become a part of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet. Aside from that, while Carrot is a fun supporting character, I don't feel that her design, personality, or fighting style are as quirky and fleshed out as the other Straw Hats. She doesn't feel much more than a rabbit Chopper with Luffy's personality, and I hold Oda's creativity for his main characters to a higher standard than that. And don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to have another female in the crew. Especially if she was as proactive and goofy as the guys, along with being elderly just because that would be unique lol.
*Jinbe - he's a shoe-in hence the asterisk but I don't count him as official until there's a fancy little Oda-box saying he's the newest member.
Everybody thinks likewise.
Marco - this would be a long shot and it would have to mean the WB pirates are done for. It would be insanely cool though. Imagine Marco saying something like, "eh, I was never meant to leave and since the old man and that lil' spitfire believed in you so much, I guess it wouldn't be terrible to tag along." The fandom would go nuts.
I can't really see this ever happening. He seems too powerful and his allegiance to Whitebeard makes me think he would stay with his crew. And having a Straw Hat with a permanent tattoo of a Yonko splattered on his chest just looks too weird for me to imagine fitting lol.
Whether or not you disagree with any parts of my feedback though, I ask you to consider one thing. One of the biggest complaints post-timeskip from fans is about Oda focusing on too many characters in arcs. By juggling so many characters, he struggles to give a lot of them enough screen time to feel properly relevant and memorable. Part of why Oda probably separated the Straw Hats during Dressrosa in the first place might be because he knew that he would need to introduce so many new characters in the immediate future so it's better to split up the crew between arcs for a few arcs. If this is even slightly true, then it would be best for Oda to not increase the main Straw Hat crew by too much. With stories, it is always better to hold quality over quantity.
In fact, a very popular and likely theory around here is that the final roster of the Straw Hat Pirates will be eleven in total by the final saga. If you want, I could explain the theory to you and present all of the evidence for it.
Dear God no lol. Burgess is a jobber at best. Can't kill a phoenix son!
That would be interesting, can we include Zou as a part of the Grand Fleet!?
Anyways, it could be interesting for Kuzan to join after double crossing Blackbeard. Burgess made me think of possible Blackbeard defectors lol.
I expect Burgess to get a power-up at some point since the Blackbeard Pirates are hunting Devil Fruits. It's too weird for Oda to have one of his final antagonists job so hilariously bad a decade before they fight one of the Straw Hats.
I have to agree with a lot of your assessments but I do think Carrot could be a little more interesting than presented. Most of my list is just who I'd love to see as a part of the crew! For now I can't do too long of responses but I will use my time to suggest a few more characters to you that we have met. Before that, I do agree we can't entertain too many more members and I think that's why the fleet was founded.
What do you think of new fleet members though?
Anyways, more candidates:
Caesar- I think it would be awesome to have a scientist on the crew. Between him and Franky I think all of the Strawhats could get some boosts through technology. He has a lot of potential for character growth and could become an interesting member of the crew. He has the big overarching goal that many of the Strawhats have and his connection with Vega-Punk is fascinating. Robin was a part of an assassin group so let's not act like a bad past is a deterrent to becoming a member. Atoning for sins is always a popular character arc.
A former Marine would be interesting but I know there aren't many realistic choices. Fujitora is kind of against the government but he's pretty old. Coby would be a huge big circle back but I think he's the future of the Marines. Smoker would be awesome but again he's pretty old and at this point in the series irrelevant. Lucci would be a twist but he's set up for a round 2 with Luffy.
Bonney would be tight. I think she could have a storyline where her crew is gone. She's the highest ranked female pirate outside of Big Mom and probably Smoothie.
Caesar is not joining or atoning for any sin he is not ashamed of.
Jinbe is literally named after what he is, and just looks like a samurai Oni what are you talking about?
How can you say that has no effort put into it when you got stuff like that?
I mean hell might as well just call Chopper reindeer or something.
Jinbei isn't just named after Whale Sharks but it's also in reference to his clothing. This is also a Jinbei. https://www.amazon.com/Edoten-Mens-Japan-Kimono-Jinbei/dp/B00LLUHTC0
Just look at these early designs. While not in each one, his current style of dress was something that was going to be married to him from the beginning. There was some thought put into his name.
As for this last point, I don't really remember for sure but I believe Jinbei isn't even the full word for Whale Shark as it is for the style of clothing. Jinbezame is the full word(or words?) for whale shark. Japanese speakers please enlighten me again as I don't really remember.
So while thats no pun(I don't think) there is definitely something creative going on their between his name and his style of dress.
Yeah because I thought it was a dumb, which it was, followed by subjective justification.
But whatever.
Jinbe is not a pun he is what he's named after.
There is NO thought in that.
Being an Oni is the most anime thing you can be.
How in the hell can you just sit there and justify that?
Again though whatever, Jinbe's a favorite so his blandness is granted a cornucopia of excuses. I entered a losing battle.
Also having a topknot is not stand out design choice, come on now, you can do better.
But Ayy doesn't matter though right? He's gonna join, cuz? We need a lifeguard or whatever arbitrary thing people are saying today right?
The top knot and style of dress may be things that we've already seen from the people of Wano but it may very well be a deliberate choice by Oda to connect Fishman Island and Wano. We know the Poneglyphs made by the people of Wano were placed and protected at Fishman island already giving us a hint that the ancient cultures were allies with one another.
Back in the day there could have been cultural exchanges that resulted in the birth of Fishman Karate and the style of dress was adopted with it. This is much like Karate originating in Okinawa Island and I'm pretty sure those people are descendants of the Japanese. The Okinawan people view Karate as a life style as apposed to a sport so that could explain the hair and clothing of Jinbei. Notice that a few other Fishman Karate users dress in similar clothing like Kurobi or Hack. They probably took that training far more seriously than say Arlong, gold fish guy or Hodi. Or its just cool to put Karate people that aren't Koala in those things.
Now thats all just speculation so it can't really be used as an argument just yet.
Not being emotional at all. It's just baffling how a people think this character is a good idea I feel like I'm reading a different manga sometimes it's crazy.
I mean in theory he can beat and or cripple every DF user in this series. Logia included.
This on top of the gargantuan pile of excuses I've been reading over the years. It's crazy.
But he gets a pass cuz he fights good? I mean that's just as bad as wanting someone in cuz she has big tits.
Also
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The arc's main villain is fat
Ussop got fat once
Oda is one of the few Shonen manga authors that I know of that even makes fat women
A power up for the main character was getting fat.
Lucky Roo is Fat.
Moriah is fat
You know what… I can't.
This is too silly.
Beat and cripple are really strong words especially in regards to every DF user in the series, theoretically or not. He manipulates water but what did that mean to Magellan, Luffy or Akainu? A mild annoyance? If he is able to drown them thats one thing but Jimbei's abilities are so far from the haxed over powered 1HKO's that other top tiers posses its not even funny.
He's good but has been depicted on the lower end of the War Lord spectrum. That's in regard to physical showing as well as his attitude.
He's just good enough to keep up with the Straw Hats but not so much to over shadow them.
And I know it's already been said but that body shape really stands out among the crew. You could never mistake him for someone else. That being his regular state and not some power up is significant.
I'm away for three (thousand) days and there's two more new people!
@The:
I'm away for three (thousand) days and there's two more new people!
Never leave us again.
I know a character joining should be based on a number of things, like personality, traits, fighting style, etc. However, I really do think the next Strawhat needs to be:
1. A Female
2. Another Race (mink most likely, there's no way a giant can join lol)
3. A Logia
Some combination of the above would be nice (didn't people want Monet to join?)
I think it's time for a logia to join. They're not as OP anymore. I think it would be interesting to see someone learning how to control/use their fruit as the story goes on. My only concern would be, what logias are even left to be discovered? It's the one reason why I don't mind Caesar joining. He doesn't seem to have complete mastery over his fruit imo. But like someone said before, if he was going to join, Oda would have at least started planting the seed of Caesar changing.
I don't want a female to join just because they are female, but seriously, the crew is a sausage fest.
I love having different races in the crew. I don't think Carrot will join, I'm indifferent to her, but whatever
@The:
I can't help it, it's a habit. :ninja:
Then we will make you :ninja:
CC will not be redeemed I mean I'm pretty sure he would laugh at puppies, kittens and babies dying.
Even after Wano, the series could still have another 5-8 years. The main difference is that the Straw Hats will not be separated anymore, so the last crew mates' involvement with them would be constant. We at least have Elbaf, Raftel and the Final War. Then mystery island where the log pose points at. I think the idea of an apprentice would be good. A cabin boy of sorts that has followed the Straw Hats' achievements throughout the years. I am not talking about Momo. However against this idea is: The captain -> cabin boy relationship would not be that big age wise.
Luffy got that lesson from Shanks for a reason. So the ideal age would be around Luffy's age when he first set out from East Blue. Although that would not work very well for the mentoring image that a captain -> cabin boy would have.
Otherwise, I do not think a Wano resident would fit the bill, I push more for Elbafian.
Has anyone started up the Gerth 4 nakam8 campaigning yet because that's going to be a thing the second Elbaf is within sight.
Why a mink when there already is chopper?
Why a mink when there already is chopper?
Then might as well cross out any humans, fishmen and dead people.
At the moment I'm leaning strongly to Puddin'. Not because I'm rooting for her, but because it feels like she's gonna join.
Plus her whole backstory with 3-eyed tribe who knows stuff deserves to be explored on panel, not just being told about later on.
Then might as well cross out any humans, fishmen and dead people.
At the moment I'm leaning strongly to Puddin'. Not because I'm rooting for her, but because it feels like she's gonna join.
Plus her whole backstory with 3-eyed tribe who knows stuff deserves to be explored on panel, not just being told about later on.
I really see no chance. Her third-eye ability (if it even exists) is redundant, her powers are even worse than Robin's, she look too much like Nami (aside of an eye) and last but not least, she's connected too much to Sanji. You could say that Franky interacted with Robin or Usopp more than with Luffy, but it just wasn't on this level. It's Sanji that caused her change of heart, she's literally in love with him, they're gonna share their big moment in this arc together and she has no relationship with anyone outside of him in the crew.
Then might as well cross out any humans, fishmen and dead people.
It was more aboutthe fact that i read often that there is no mink in the crew and things, but with chopper there is actually the best one…
Well Pudding's ability could be that it leads to Road Poneglyph, instead of Raftel. Yes one connects to the other, but then her ability would not overlap with Robin's skills.
@K.:
Well Pudding's ability could be that it leads to Road Poneglyph, instead of Raftel. Yes one connects to the other, but then her ability would not overlap with Robin's skills.
I think it was implied that Pudding's ability is even more absurdly overpowered than Robin's, and that, if she would use her powers right, she could stop literally everyone by erasing their mind.
I don't see why people think Pudding and Nami look similar. They have different face shapes, hair colors and styles, lips, eyes, style of clothing. Additionally, Pudding has a third eye and Nami has a tattoo.
Btw, Pudding's ability to hear the voice of all things (or see them with the third eye, or however it works) is redundant, because Momonosuke can hear the voice of all things as well. Well, those two and Luffy.
Btw, Pudding's ability to hear the voice of all things (or see them with the third eye, or however it works) is redundant, because Momonosuke can hear the voice of all things as well. Well, those two and Luffy.
Yeah, but who wants to see that bastard join the crew.
We should also consider the possibility that there was a three eyed person with Roger when they found Raftel. Robin doesn't have to become redundant as an archeologist the moment all these VOATs and 3eyes start doing their magic. Perhaps what they can see or hear is limited or they can't understand completely what they are hearing and seeing. That's where Robin could excel, especially since SH are supposed to go a lot further than Roger pirates. Ancient weapons will become a part of the equation.
Isn't it enough that SH already have the only person that can read poneglyphs and one of the only few that can hear the voice of poneglyphs? Now they also get another voat user?
Even more considering so far the competiton has nothing, at least from what we know. Too much convenience.
@uniaka:
Isn't it enough that SH already have the only person that can read poneglyphs and one of the only few that can hear the voice of poneglyphs? Now they also get another voat user?
Even more considering so far the competiton has nothing, at least from what we know. Too much convenience.
That is why Luffy is going to become a Pirate King. His natural talent to attract allies, I mean.
Pudding doesn't need to join. But then how does Oda handle the 3-eyed tribe? It's obvious Puddin' is going to play a role outside of this arc. And there's a good chance Big Mom won't survive (as a bif player at least) long enough for Puddin' to awake her ability and start doing something more concrete in search for Raftel.
Then might as well cross out any humans, fishmen and dead people.
Except that humans are the standard race in OnePiece.
Except that humans are the standard race in OnePiece.
Except I was making a joke. Now that I know you're here, I'll start using smileys.
That is why Luffy is going to become a Pirate King. His natural talent to attract allies, I mean.
Pudding doesn't need to join. But then how does Oda handle the 3-eyed tribe? It's obvious Puddin' is going to play a role outside of this arc. And there's a good chance Big Mom won't survive (as a bif player at least) long enough for Puddin' to awake her ability and start doing something more concrete in search for Raftel.
If this race still exists and they are not long gone. Like, I imagine every yonkou, even more bm that knows about them, would be searching for them, since pudding has yet to awaken her power ans can't use her.
I think it was implied that Pudding's ability is even more absurdly overpowered than Robin's, and that, if she would use her powers right, she could stop literally everyone by erasing their mind.
I don't see why people think Pudding and Nami look similar. They have different face shapes, hair colors and styles, lips, eyes, style of clothing. Additionally, Pudding has a third eye and Nami has a tattoo.
Btw, Pudding's ability to hear the voice of all things (or see them with the third eye, or however it works) is redundant, because Momonosuke can hear the voice of all things as well. Well, those two and Luffy.
We are talking about different things. I am not talking about Pudding's devil fruit power. Her third eye has a power, and what I was saying was that it is a different variation to the voive of all things. Luffy can hear the VOAT, Robin can read the glyphs. Pudding's eye is able to locate the glyphs. And conveniently there is one missing.
Pudding will probably join someone else's crew, so that other pirates get a chance to be pirateking. As of now, only Luffy can be pirateking because he has Robin in the crew, there is no suspense–-- that's why she needs to work with Teach. He's looking for a wife after all. He'll probably get her after this arc once he'll invade WCI and kill everyone. (because I believe that's what he'd do, but whaeva)
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We are talking about different things. I am not talking about Pudding's devil fruit power. Her third eye has a power, and what I was saying was that it is a different variation to the voive of all things. Luffy can hear the VOAT, Robin can read the glyphs. Pudding's eye is able to locate the glyphs. And conveniently there is one missing.
I know, but the guy talking about powers that you replied to actually talked about their devil fruit powers, and not their abilities to learn things about the void century
prominent tattoo
You're right and or grasping at straws with some of these but okay. However, the tattoo point is a little weak.
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I think you forgot her:
These are things that leave an impression, stand out, are unique, create a silhouette different from the rest. Carrot has done none of that. She was introduced on an island FULL of such characters, all of whom were immediately compared to Chopper, and none of whom had as much thought in their designs as Chopper does.
Not picking on you but…
This is sort of a half-truth, there are similarities but maybe just to me. You or anyone else can be the judge of that.
The majority of the crew have a unique silhouette though the females kind of don't.
So, at least to me this a half-truth because if we lower the bar then yeah, Carrot does have a unique shape and yeah Jinbe bares no resemblance to Kung-fu Point Chopper in shape.
Though if we're holding everyone to the same accord then yeah, some characters have striking visages and others share one.
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Eh, the protagonist has immunity to blunt damage yet can still get pushed well in fights.
Umm that's kind of an easy fix just give your baddies cutting or stabbing weapons. Which he did in a lot of cases before Haki.
Morgan
Buggy
Kuro
Kreig
Arlong
Crocodile
Foxy
Enel
Lucci
Moriah (Kind of but you be the judge)
@Count:
(Oda loves having his major character designs look asymmetrical with at least one unique detail on the side of a character. The only notable exceptions I find to this are maybe the Admirals,
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Close, and I know Robin changes clothes but her body is symmetrical. Franky has always been symmetrical visually.
@Count:
Zoro has Japanese representation, but pre-timeskip, he didn't have that coat yet.
He didn't need it.
He had the belly warmer which is a big thing in Japanese media for old man characters from what I've seen. And he carried three Katanas so yeah…
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I always thought Franky is supposed to reference Frankenstein, making it a pun despite being a common name.
You maybe onto something….
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Can someone please link to me Robby's old post about how Carrot isn't unique enough to join the crew
I have a friend who seems to think she will join and I can't seem to phrase it the way Robby did to make him understand why she won't join
Can someone please link to me Robby's old post about how Carrot isn't unique enough to join the crew
I have a friend who seems to think she will join and I can't seem to phrase it the way Robby did to make him understand why she won't join
Just say nothing and let him be crushed, in like 3 years when wano ends and carrot goes back to zou or stays at wano because the minks need a new home
You're right and or grasping at straws with some of these but okay. However, the tattoo point is a little weak.
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I think you forgot her:Not picking on you but…
This is sort of a half-truth, there are similarities but maybe just to me. You or anyone else can be the judge of that.
The majority of the crew have a unique silhouette though the females kind of don't.
So, at least to me this a half-truth because if we lower the bar then yeah, Carrot does have a unique shape and yeah Jinbe bares no resemblance to Kung-fu Point Chopper in shape.
Though if we're holding everyone to the same accord then yeah, some characters have striking visages and others share one.
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Umm that's kind of an easy fix just give your baddies cutting or stabbing weapons. Which he did in a lot of cases before Haki.
Morgan
Buggy
Kuro
Kreig
Arlong
Crocodile
Foxy
Enel
Lucci
Moriah (Kind of but you be the judge)! https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/animeandmangauniverse/images/5/52/Nico_Robin_Manga_Pre_Timeskip_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20140201183329 https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/9/94/Franky.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130511182651https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/8/8c/Franky_Anime_Post_Timeskip_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20130225034035
Close, and I know Robin changes clothes but her body is symmetrical. Franky has always been symmetrical visually.
He didn't need it.
He had the belly warmer which is a big thing in Japanese media for old man characters from what I've seen. And he carried three Katanas so yeah…
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Okay, man, now you're just being stubborn. To every claim that Carrot lacks some unique detail to her design, you reply saying that there's also another crewmate lacking it, completely ignoring that they have other ones. And that's the whole point, Carrot doesn't need to have her own scar, special hat given by a mentor, tatoo, unique silhouette, she doesn't need to be asymmetrical etc. But she has none of that, nor does she have anything else to make her stand out. Her design is extremely plain, the only one worse than that was initial Nami, but she was initial crewmate. You also treat tatoos as the same (even though they seem completely different and have backstories to them!) as you do with scars. Also, Carrot shares the same "sexy female" shape Oda gives to more than half female cast members, Kung Fu Chopper and Jinbe aren't as close in design and a fat guy is much less common in OP.
You're right and or grasping at straws with some of these but okay. However, the tattoo point is a little weak.
I am more than sure that both Nami and Jimbei having a tattoo is on-purpose for narrative reasons, actually. Nami's tattoo was meant to represent how her experience with Arlong can never be completely erased and will always leave her scarred. So she instead got her previous Arlong Pirates tattoo covered by a new tattoo inspired by Nojiko so that she it is re-contextualized into the good part about her childhood, her family. When previously enslaved Fishmen were revealed to have branded marks by the Tenryubito (which is quite similar to how Nami was permanently branded by Arlong), all of the Sun Pirates decided to brand themselves with a sun-shaped burn so that they could not distinguish who was originally a slave or not. It was a symbol of unity that bonded them. Just like when Nojiko got herself a tattoo after seeing Nami traumatized by getting her Arlong Pirates tattoo, as a sign of how they would endure this trial together. Considering how closely tied Nami and Jimbei are in their story arcs, to the point that Jimbei literally apologized for Arlong's actions during Fishman Island to Nami, this is an exception. So the fact that Nami and Jimbei have prominent tattoos actually has a subtle figurative reason behind it instead of Oda not caring about miniature design details like that. They may have been from different races, but those tattoos represent how similar they are more than most would realize, which beautifully represents how humans and Fishmen can be relatable and deserve to live in equality.
Also, if Robby had just typed "giant sun tattoo on chest" instead of prominent tattoo as a detail on how Jimbei's design is unique, then your argument that having a tattoo in and of itself being weak kind of falls apart. Nami, Jimbei, and Franky all have differently-styled and shaped tattoos (black curved lines, heat branded red sun, blue stars) on different parts of their bodies (shoulder, chest, and forearms), which are a perfect example of how far Oda goes to differentiate his main character designs in small and big ways.
Umm that's kind of an easy fix just give your baddies cutting or stabbing weapons. Which he did in a lot of cases before Haki.
Morgan
Buggy
Kuro
Kreig
Arlong
Crocodile
Foxy
Enel
Lucci
Moriah (Kind of but you be the judge)
Precisely. And all Oda has to do is have Jimbei fight people who don't have Devil Fruits or simply have him normally be away from the ocean or large bodies of water during his fights. That's really it. Water attacks don't automatically counter Devil Fruit abilities. At best they only make Crocodile and Katakuri vulnerable to physical attacks and release the shadows in Moria's zombies (but they themselves are a very special case where a Devil Fruit ability is susceptible to salt, as I doubt that Oda would make that a recurring factual norm). Jimbei is not overpowered at all in the New World.
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Close, and I know Robin changes clothes but her body is symmetrical. Franky has always been symmetrical visually.
Very good points, I forgot about those. But it's still a significant recurrence. And just… look at how generic Carrot's clothes are. Even if you think that the rabbit girl theme is enough to differentiate itself from Chopper, you know that Oda wasn't trying at all when designing her clothes. Complete orange dresses in which the only detail is spelling out "RABBIT", no pants, and simple shoes. The only things that stand out about her clothes is the delivery boy cap and the cape (which is already made redundant by Jimbei's cape/jacket), and the Electro paw. The blonde hair is also already done by Sanji. This is not a design Oda spent years or even months/weeks constantly resketching and adding onto with all sorts of specific quirky nuances.
He didn't need it.
He had the belly warmer which is a big thing in Japanese media for old man characters from what I've seen. And he carried three Katanas so yeah…
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That still doesn't counter how Zoro and Jimbei's attire pre-timeskip are all different aspects of Japanese attire and culture. Oda's a big enough fan of Japan to the point that Wano Country is going to probably be "I love Japanese history, mythology, and fiction: THE ARC", and his one-shot before One Piece was a Japanese samurai story. Add in that he's a Japanese mangaka, and it's not a stretch to believe that he would have two Japanese-themed characters that still look more than different enough in a main cast of at least ten characters.
Zoro is a samurai, and Jinbe is a yakuza. They're very very different parts of Japan. Very different cultures, histories, styles and meanings.
It doesn't all fall into the umbrella of "samey japan clothes." just because you can't tell the difference between a haramaki and a kimono.
No more than Luffy wearing shorts and sandals, and Franky wearing Hawaiian shirts overlap. Or Sanji wearing a suit while Brook wears a victorian dress outfit.
Especially when the author is Japanese and his main audience is Japanese and they implicitly know the difference.
It was more aboutthe fact that i read often that there is no mink in the crew and things, but with chopper there is actually the best one…
But he's not a Mink… He's a reindeer who ate a Human Fruit. It's totally different haha
But he's not a Mink… He's a reindeer who ate a Human Fruit. It's totally different haha
Not really. If Chopper stayed in his hybrid, human, or kung fu forms on Zou as Kaido's secret contact, nobody would be able to tell unless they knew every single person in the village. When Luffy arrived on the capital of Zou, you know what was the first thing he said? "Wow, a forest full of Choppers!" Oda literally spoke through Luffy to note that the whole animal theme of the Minks was derivative of Chopper lol. If there were Zoans based off of aquatic creatures, how exactly would they be much different from Fishmen/Mermen besides not being able to swim? That's probably why Oda has never created one in this series, especially when the Fishmen/Mermen are already themed after aquatic animal species in their designs and powers.
I appreciate that you're not willing to generalize characters as being the same race by appearances lol, but they still share the same theme of "quirky animals with human shape, intelligence, and physical prowess".
Personally I wish he'd stick to his regular reindeer form more often.
@Count:
If there were Zoans based off of aquatic creatures, how exactly would they be much different from Fishmen/Mermen besides not being able to swim? That's probably why Oda has never created one in this series, especially when the Fishmen/Mermen are already themed after aquatic animal species in their designs and powers.
It's funny because Smiley exists.
It's funny because Smiley exists.
Oh yeah, that is indeed right. The only aquatic creature Zoan goes to a chemical weapon of mass destruction lol.