I alwasy asumed that this is a special technique to learn CoC, seeing rayleigh using it over his scar eye…
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
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I've been thinking a bit about the application of Smoothie's powers in battle, and while it's more borderline theory-fanon since I don't have anything to back it up, here's a possible idea. My idea is that the power is similar to Wapol's Baku Baku no Mi, but rather than actually becoming the thing she consumes, Pudding gains some of the properties of the liquid she wrings out and drinks. So if she drinks the lava rock, she can gain extended resistance to heat. By drinking a cheetah, she gain gain increased speed, or by drinking a rhinoceros she can gain considerable strength.
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@Kaido:
I've been thinking a bit about the application of Smoothie's powers in battle, and while it's more borderline theory-fanon since I don't have anything to back it up, here's a possible idea. My idea is that the power is similar to Wapol's Baku Baku no Mi, but rather than actually becoming the thing she consumes, Pudding gains some of the properties of the liquid she wrings out and drinks. So if she drinks the lava rock, she can gain extended resistance to heat. By drinking a cheetah, she gain gain increased speed, or by drinking a rhinoceros she can gain considerable strength.
That reminds me of Vixen and Animal Man in DC Comics.
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@Kaido:
I've been thinking a bit about the application of Smoothie's powers in battle, and while it's more borderline theory-fanon since I don't have anything to back it up, here's a possible idea. My idea is that the power is similar to Wapol's Baku Baku no Mi, but rather than actually becoming the thing she consumes, Pudding gains some of the properties of the liquid she wrings out and drinks. So if she drinks the lava rock, she can gain extended resistance to heat. By drinking a cheetah, she gain gain increased speed, or by drinking a rhinoceros she can gain considerable strength.
So when she drank that giraffe, she gained the ability to make weird noises?
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Guys, I have a theory for you all I know you will LOVE!
Its regarding the current arc, Big Mom's identity and I also go into the end of the upcoming Wano arc and the death of Kaido!
Tell me what you think!
Thank you. I appreciate you.
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I'm 3 minutes in and none of the claims made are making sense…
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Continue to minute 4, tell me what you think!
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Watch the full thing, it will be the best theory you will see today. If not you get full refund.
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Continue to minute 4, tell me what you think!
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Watch the full thing, it will be the best theory you will see today. If not you get full refund.
How about you post a transcript here instead of begging for views?
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How about you post a transcript here instead of begging for views?
That's exactly why I never click on these YouTube theories. I'd always rather spend the time to read long essays especially here on Arlong Park rather than watch someone talk about their shitty fanfiction that they try to literally sell as a concise theory on YouTube.
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Is it a bonney theory?
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How about you post a transcript here instead of begging for views?
I am not begging my friend. I am DEMANDING views.
I will come back and haunt you when my theory materialises
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Is it a bonney theory?
I am sorry friend, it is not a Bonney theory.
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Okay, since you insist I took some time to watch it. First of all: please, for the love of God, do not present your theory as ‘spoilers’. Incredibly obnoxious. Now I’m going to go through it in pieces:
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You say that we don’t know why Big Mom wants to create giants; this was explained. Big Mom’s relations with Elbaf are crap, hence why there are no giants in Totland. So she wants to artificially create them to complete her ‘collection’ as it were (http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/858/9). Minor point that’s not important to the theory, though.
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It is very plausible that Mother Caramel’s portrait is connected with her soul ability, but there really is no reason to think that she was forced to do this through some sort of accident. Also “she used to be a dwarf and this explains her obsession with giants” is already wrong due to what I said above.
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I don’t know why you would even try to connect Big Mom using her soul ability to Cracker’s armour. To say that Cracker’s armour is inspired by her putting souls into things makes no ounce of sense. First of all the two things don’t even seem similar. Secondly, there is nothing weird about someone figuring out for themselves that if they can infinitely produce something that is hard as diamond, that might make for a pretty effective armour.
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If you say that the real body of Big Mom is ‘almost certainly going to die’ this arc, and the portrait is already broken, then… what’s left? You’re basically just saying Big Mom will die. Anything you say after that about Big Mom becoming an ally – about that the BM we see now will die and Mama Caramel will be the ‘good’ Big mom – is basically useless at this point already, since the portrait is already broken. If it would still be easily usable after that she wouldn’t have cared so much when it was so much as scratched. So I will just skip the rest of the BM part.
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You say that BM as an ally will use her soul powers to help beat Kaidou. I’m not buying this, but I’m not sure how to articulate my concerns with this and at this point I’m pretty much done talking. If anyone else wants to take over here, please do.
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I am not begging my friend. I am DEMANDING views.
I will come back and haunt you when my theory materialises
Have you tried posting on OroJackson? I can see fun in thinking wild theories with little to no basis in actual manga and even less chance of being right. And when I want to read one of them (mostly for laugh), I go there. By no means am I trying to force you to abandon your way of enjoying One Piece, it's entertainment - there's nothing wrong in being wrong, to the contrary, it can be funner this way. But your way of "theorizing" simply isn't widely practised here, outside of Dumb Predictions thread obviously. Visit OroJackson, they should be much more welcoming than people here. Also, as EvoWarrior5 mentioned, never call your theories "spoilers" or use the word "revealed" - it's way too cringy.
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or use the word "revealed" - it's way too cringy.
that's for the clickbait obviously.
now that I'm in this thread, why didn't Capone simply searched for like ANY devil fruit, sneak it on BM's food and wait for BM to eat it and die due to eating 2 df's.
I really think someone should die from eating 2 df's, otherwise Teach is probably not cheating on anything but taking advantage of what could be a just a false rumor about dfs. -
now that I'm in this thread, why didn't Capone simply searched for like ANY devil fruit, sneak it on BM's food and wait for BM to eat it and die due to eating 2 df's.
I really think someone should die from eating 2 df's, otherwise Teach is probably not cheating on anything but taking advantage of what could be a just a false rumor about dfs.Hmm, I would think that it is too problematic to try something like that with Katakuri around. When he senses that something will go wrong he will instantly stop it. In the current plan, the chaos they're creating is supposed to create an opening for the poison rocket, which due to all the distraction around not even he is supposed to be able to stop. But with the food it is much harder to force it down her throat. If you know you have to do something like that, at that point it's better to just stick to the rocket launcher plan.
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Yeah, that would be a way better plan - assuming you really die from a second DF. One big advantage is that the plan would work well even without the Strawhats. And about Katakuri, another advantage is that there isn't such a small time window. Therefore Bege only has to wait til Katakuri isn't around to foresee it. He can decide when the right time is without having to care about stuff like special tea parties.
However, there has to be some catch, hasn't it? I mean if you could really kill someone that way, this method should be WAAAAAAY more common. Wouldn't Big Mom despite her gluttonous nature have a food taster then? There's also to consider - as Oda said in a SBS - that you only need a small piece of a fruit which makes it even easier to sneak it into something other edible. Wouldn't someone like Robin then always warn Luffy about anything not cooked by Sanji like whenever he enters some random restaurant? And wouldn't Doffy instead of all his overly convoluted shenanigans in Dressrosa - especially after their Denden-Mushi conversation - just organize some all-you-can-eat meat buffet with some expendable fruit?
So maybe it's actually something harmless like a second DF just does nothing and instead the fruit just respawns elsewhere? Otherwise it really would change the metagame quite too much.
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Yeah, that would be a way better plan - assuming you really die from a second DF. One big advantage is that the plan would work well even without the Strawhats. And about Katakuri, another advantage is that there isn't such a small time window. Therefore Bege only has to wait til Katakuri isn't around to foresee it. He can decide when the right time is without having to care about stuff like special tea parties.
However, there has to be some catch, hasn't it? I mean if you could really kill someone that way, this method should be WAAAAAAY more common. Wouldn't Big Mom despite her gluttonous nature have a food taster then? There's also to consider - as Oda said in a SBS - that you only need a small piece of a fruit which makes it even easier to sneak it into something other edible. Wouldn't someone like Robin then always warn Luffy about anything not cooked by Sanji like whenever he enters some random restaurant? And wouldn't Doffy instead of all his overly convoluted shenanigans in Dressrosa - especially after their Denden-Mushi conversation - just organize some all-you-can-eat meat buffet with some expendable fruit?
So maybe it's actually something harmless like a second DF just does nothing and instead the fruit just respawns elsewhere? Otherwise it really would change the metagame quite too much.
I wouldn't be surprised if Big Mom has a food taster.
For most people, it's extremely hard to get Devil Fruits, so even if they have easier access like Doffy and Big Mom it seems much more worthwhile to give it to your underling rather than waste it on an assassination plot. As the Big Mom Pirates themselves showed us, there's no such thing as a stupid Devil Fruit, just a stupid usage of one.
Not to mention that the victim would likely taste the Devil Fruit before they swallowed, leading them to spit it out immediately.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Big Mom has a food taster.
For most people, it's extremely hard to get Devil Fruits, so even if they have easier access like Doffy and Big Mom it seems much more worthwhile to give it to your underling rather than waste it on an assassination plot. As the Big Mom Pirates themselves showed us, there's no such thing as a stupid Devil Fruit, just a stupid usage of one.
Not to mention that the victim would likely taste the Devil Fruit before they swallowed, leading them to spit it out immediately.
However, you high likely can easily regain your fruit if you have just a few template fruits nearby. (Assuming they respawn somewhat close whch Punk Hazard/Smiley suggested.)
About the taste, it depends. If you only add a very small piece of a fruit into a otherwise delicious non-fruit menue, would you really taste it? Though it might be possible that everything tastes terrible due to their mystical nature.
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Hmm, I would think that it is too problematic to try something like that with Katakuri around. When he senses that something will go wrong he will instantly stop it. In the current plan, the chaos they're creating is supposed to create an opening for the poison rocket, which due to all the distraction around not even he is supposed to be able to stop. But with the food it is much harder to force it down her throat. If you know you have to do something like that, at that point it's better to just stick to the rocket launcher plan.
or just wait for Big Mom to have one of those 'attacks' on which she won't stop until she is given what she wants to eat, like what happened with the 'Crocken Bocke' or whatever it was called that Jinbe gave her, I mean, if Jinbe had a df atm, he just had to put a small piece of it into that thing, give it to BM, and boom, she's dead.
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Okay, since you insist I took some time to watch it. First of all: please, for the love of God, do not present your theory as ‘spoilers’. Incredibly obnoxious. Now I’m going to go through it in pieces:
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You say that we don’t know why Big Mom wants to create giants; this was explained. Big Mom’s relations with Elbaf are crap, hence why there are no giants in Totland. So she wants to artificially create them to complete her ‘collection’ as it were (http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/858/9). Minor point that’s not important to the theory, though.
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It is very plausible that Mother Caramel’s portrait is connected with her soul ability, but there really is no reason to think that she was forced to do this through some sort of accident. Also “she used to be a dwarf and this explains her obsession with giants” is already wrong due to what I said above.
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I don’t know why you would even try to connect Big Mom using her soul ability to Cracker’s armour. To say that Cracker’s armour is inspired by her putting souls into things makes no ounce of sense. First of all the two things don’t even seem similar. Secondly, there is nothing weird about someone figuring out for themselves that if they can infinitely produce something that is hard as diamond, that might make for a pretty effective armour.
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If you say that the real body of Big Mom is ‘almost certainly going to die’ this arc, and the portrait is already broken, then… what’s left? You’re basically just saying Big Mom will die. Anything you say after that about Big Mom becoming an ally – about that the BM we see now will die and Mama Caramel will be the ‘good’ Big mom – is basically useless at this point already, since the portrait is already broken. If it would still be easily usable after that she wouldn’t have cared so much when it was so much as scratched. So I will just skip the rest of the BM part.
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You say that BM as an ally will use her soul powers to help beat Kaidou. I’m not buying this, but I’m not sure how to articulate my concerns with this and at this point I’m pretty much done talking. If anyone else wants to take over here, please do.
Have you tried posting on OroJackson? I can see fun in thinking wild theories with little to no basis in actual manga and even less chance of being right. And when I want to read one of them (mostly for laugh), I go there. By no means am I trying to force you to abandon your way of enjoying One Piece, it's entertainment - there's nothing wrong in being wrong, to the contrary, it can be funner this way. But your way of "theorizing" simply isn't widely practised here, outside of Dumb Predictions thread obviously. Visit OroJackson, they should be much more welcoming than people here. Also, as EvoWarrior5 mentioned, never call your theories "spoilers" or use the word "revealed" - it's way too cringy.
You guys done me dirty.
Lets make a bet on my theory.
Since you reject it completely, if any part of it materialises, you both quit arlongpark.
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If you have a plausible explanation as to how the portrait can be connected to the soul ability, by all means put it out there. But then as I said you would have to explain how it could possibly be a horcrux-type of thing after it's already broken. If it breaking didn't matter, Big Mom wouldn't freak out if it got so much as a scratch. I don't have any ideas as to what might happen, but if you're so sure about this theory then you have to be able to justify it with more than "well this sounds pretty good". That's not a theory, that's just fan-speculation. If that's what you want to do that's entirely fine, but then don't present it as anything more than what it is.
EDIT: to start going into the final bit about Big Mom helping against Kaidou, one reason I can think of why I'm uncomfortable with it is because the first Yonkou going down will be a huge symbolic event. Having another Yonkou there helping all the way would not nearly have the same impact. That would basically already be two Yonkou 'down' at that point. And since Shanks and Marco are already established as allies either short-term or long-term, even though we don't know their fate, having Big Mom as an ally as well would only leave Blackbeard in terms of Yonkou after Wano. You can't tell me that would leave enough excitement. And during the fight in Wano, it's like imagining Alabasta with Mr 1 and his partner joining the Straw Hats. Or Enies Lobby with Kaku teaming up with them.
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The issue here is that you are conflating the portrait/frame and its importance with the aspects of BM's devil fruit power that we do not know. We have no idea how it works.
Here is what we know; there is a physical link between BM and the frame. We do not know exactly what that link is, but we know it exists. We also know that the Soru Soru no Mi allows the user to freely interact with and manipulate human souls. So it follows that the importance of the frame must be related to souls, specifically a soul that connected to BM.
Do we agree on this?
The frame itself is not very important. The soul inside is likely related to the person depicted. Its the soul inside that is connected to BM, not the frame itself.
Everyone is assuming that her link to the frame is sentimental, but if it was, the touching of the frame or its breaking would not have had physical effects on her IRL. When the homies bring out the frame, BM does not go crazy. I will tell you why, its because these homies are part of her soul. If someone else touches it, that is when she goes crazy.
As for Kaido, if you think Luffy at this stage of the story is capable of defeating a Yonko, then my friend you are being naive. This is not the Grand Line where Luffy finds the 'weakness' of his opponent and defeat him that way. Kaido is 1) A Yonko. 2) The strongest creature in the world and 3) incapable of being killed.
If Luffy defeats Kaido alone at this point in the story, what progression is left for him?
We are just beyond the half-way mark of the story, and Luffy is still considered a 'rookie' pirate. Only been a pirate around two years, how can he defeat a Yonki.
In order to defeat Kaido, Luffy will need more than his alliance with other supernovas and more than brute strength. The man can simply not be killed. It is certainly very convenient, for them to have come across BM (someone who can take your soul) RIGHT BEFORE they go and fight Kaido (someone who can not be killed).
Big Mom will become an ally for sure. The fact that Lola went out of her way to give the vivrecard to the strawhats, to sign it, to tell them to seek her mother if they face trouble. This is crucial and that plot point has not been used yet. We know BM is angry with Lola so much so she wanted to send assassins to kill her, this does not conform with the memories Lola had, and indicates Pudding manipulating BM's memory.
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The issue here is that you are conflating the portrait/frame and its importance with the aspects of BM's devil fruit power that we do not know. We have no idea how it works.
Your entire theory is built around aspects of her fruit and how they will, in your view, interact with the portrait and Kaidou. Sorry, but why are your views valid here and mine aren't?
But even that assumes that I have a view as to what the portrait is, which I already denied. I merely copied your reasoning and tried to debunk it, because things don't seem to match up.
Here is what we know; there is a physical link between BM and the frame. We do not know exactly what that link is, but we know it exists. We also know that the Soru Soru no Mi allows the user to freely interact with and manipulate human souls. So it follows that the importance of the frame must be related to souls, specifically a soul that connected to BM.
Do we agree on this?
The frame itself is not very important. The soul inside is likely related to the person depicted. Its the soul inside that is connected to BM, not the frame itself.
Everyone is assuming that her link to the frame is sentimental, but if it was, the touching of the frame or its breaking would not have had physical effects on her IRL. When the homies bring out the frame, BM does not go crazy. I will tell you why, its because these homies are part of her soul. If someone else touches it, that is when she goes crazy.
The portrait is not just important due to the frame's materiality, as she genuinely likes having Mother Caramel around and calls her "the light of this world" (http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/861/5). There has to be an emotional link. Relating to your theory, if the 'good' Big Mom which the 'evil' Big Mom forcefully supressed is inside that portrait, then why would Big Mom be so enthusiastic about her?
Moreover, if the damaging of the frame has physical effects on her, then we need to wonder why Big Mom has gone an entire chapter without getting wounded after the frame was literally broken into pieces. It's seeming more likely that Bege was not entirely wrong in saying that Big Mom freaking out and having her guard down is what opened up the opportunity for her knee to start bleeding when she fell onto the ground. But I do think it has to be more complex than that and the portrait will probably have some link with her soul ability. What that will be I cannot presume to guess at, but it has become clear from it breaking that it cannot be linked physically to Big Mom herself, otherwise she would have.. you know, broken into pieces or gotten seriously hurt in some way.
As for Kaido, if you think Luffy at this stage of the story is capable of defeating a Yonko, then my friend you are being naive. This is not the Grand Line where Luffy finds the 'weakness' of his opponent and defeat him that way. Kaido is 1) A Yonko. 2) The strongest creature in the world and 3) incapable of being killed.
If Luffy defeats Kaido alone at this point in the story, what progression is left for him?
We are just beyond the half-way mark of the story, and Luffy is still considered a 'rookie' pirate. Only been a pirate around two years, how can he defeat a Yonki.
I never mentioned Luffy in my post, much less even suggested that Luffy would solo him. You're putting words in my mouth. The fight against Kaidou should be a team effort, and at the moment I'm banking on the possibility that Blackbeard might sweep in for the kill at some point. But even if that wouldn't happen and let's say that Luffy does finish him, I really wouldn't see why that means there's no progression for him lol. After that he would still have to prove himself in a 1-on-1 with someone at that level, and then there's obviously Blackbeard, the final villain. There's a long way to go.
In order to defeat Kaido, Luffy will need more than his alliance with other supernovas and more than brute strength. The man can simply not be killed. It is certainly very convenient, for them to have come across BM (someone who can take your soul) RIGHT BEFORE they go and fight Kaido (someone who can not be killed).
Big Mom will become an ally for sure. The fact that Lola went out of her way to give the vivrecard to the strawhats, to sign it, to tell them to seek her mother if they face trouble. This is crucial and that plot point has not been used yet. We know BM is angry with Lola so much so she wanted to send assassins to kill her, this does not conform with the memories Lola had, and indicates Pudding manipulating BM's memory.
Sure, something else will be needed, but why remove a tonne of tension from the story by having 2 Yonkou as allies and only 1 left to fight after Wano? Better keep Big Mom around in her current state for a while at least. Even if we assume that Big Mom will be an ally eventually, see it as a Jinbe situation. Had he joined back in Fishman Island, Punk Hazard and Dressrosa would have been far easier. It's only now that they're at a later stage that he's joining to boost the crew. If Big Mom becomes an ally, and I have found this theory plausible in general, it should be at a later stage and in a more complex fashion than you present it as.
I will be very interested to see how Oda plays the triangle between Big Mom, Lola and Pudding. I just don't accept this theory; it seems too simplistic, and it is too soon for someone so powerful as Big Mom and her crew to become allies at this stage.
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You seem to be secretly in agreement with my theory but you do not want to outright admit it.
Its cool.
But I will come back when it materialises, and it will be glorious.
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Big Mom will never be an ally. Only in fanfiction.
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I actually been thinking Kaido is indeed going to die, since he's not the kind you can keep in Impel Down, and defeating him wouldn't throw his Yonkou status away, he's been defeated several times already, the marines are likely to not show up at Wano, nothing really stops him from healing and still being a yonkou and all.
So I think, Luffy, Law and Kidd are gonna fight him to the point he actually gets 'close to die' and Kaido would take that chance to achieve his suicidal dream and kill himself. So Luffy can keep being a cool dude who never kills and Kaido will never be around. -
You seem to be secretly in agreement with my theory but you do not want to outright admit it.
Its cool.
But I will come back when it materialises, and it will be glorious.
Just because I think one of the aspects of a theory might have merit does not mean I "secretly agree" with all of it. I have no idea how you got to thinking that. It seems as if you took that one comment as validation somehow and are simply choosing to ignore the critique. Imagine if this was during Fishman Island and I said "I think Jinbe will die this arc and Brook's new powers will bring him back and then he will be so grateful that he joins the crew". And you respond with "well I think Jinbe will join but the Brook stuff makes no sense.." and then I say "so you completely agree with what I said? :D". I am loathe to sound rude in a debate but honestly man, if you're this reluctant to discuss the finer aspects of your theory, many of which I have been critiquing, then I don't understand why you bother putting it forward at all. To put on a tone of "just watch until I'm right, it will be glorious" is quite immature.
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I actually been thinking Kaido is indeed going to die, since he's not the kind you can keep in Impel Down, and defeating him wouldn't throw his Yonkou status away, he's been defeated several times already, the marines are likely to not show up at Wano, nothing really stops him from healing and still being a yonkou and all.
So I think, Luffy, Law and Kidd are gonna fight him to the point he actually gets 'close to die' and Kaido would take that chance to achieve his suicidal dream and kill himself. So Luffy can keep being a cool dude who never kills and Kaido will never be around.Yea I really wonder how Oda is going to handle all this. Kaidou dying wouldn't have an Ace-type impact on the story so you'd think that Oda wants to avoid it. Is actual suicide really something Oda wants to show, considering the fact that he is loathe to show death in general? Dunno, Kaidou might end up as a sort of Hody & crew, aka weakened thus that he couldn't break out of anything anymore?
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Big Mom will never be an ally. Only in fanfiction.
May I ask, what is your view on the whole Lola situation then? I have relatively mixed feelings about future possibilities for Big Mom so I'd be curious to hear some viewpoints. Could you elaborate?
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I actually been thinking Kaido is indeed going to die, since he's not the kind you can keep in Impel Down, and defeating him wouldn't throw his Yonkou status away, he's been defeated several times already, the marines are likely to not show up at Wano, nothing really stops him from healing and still being a yonkou and all.
So I think, Luffy, Law and Kidd are gonna fight him to the point he actually gets 'close to die' and Kaido would take that chance to achieve his suicidal dream and kill himself. So Luffy can keep being a cool dude who never kills and Kaido will never be around.How can you say that?
He has been trying to kill himself all these years. Literally, his introduction chapter was a suicide attempt.
He will die when Big Mom takes his soul. There is no other way. He tried them all.
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Yea I really wonder how Oda is going to handle all this. Kaidou dying wouldn't have an Ace-type impact on the story so you'd think that Oda wants to avoid it. Is actual suicide really something Oda wants to show, considering the fact that he is loathe to show death in general? Dunno, Kaidou might end up as a sort of Hody & crew, aka weakened thus that he couldn't break out of anything anymore?
I like to see Kaido the same way as Enel, Enel wanted 2 things, reach the moon and turn Skypiea into shit, Luffy stop it from the 2nd thing, and then, there is Kaido, who also seem to want 2 things, a big ass global? conflict and kill himself, and Luffy is likely to stop him from the 1st thing, while Kaido actually achieves to die, I mean, in the NW, is Whitebeard's death that changed things and not Ace's, so the defeat and possible death of another yonkou would also throw the NW into chaos, disaster and the new take-over from the Worst Gen would have plenty of field to develop. And this implies that Kaido, needs to disappear from this game.
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How can you say that?
He has been trying to kill himself all these years. Literally, his introduction chapter was a suicide attempt.
He will die when Big Mom takes his soul. There is no other way. He tried them all.
Kaido would never show fear to BG. thus BM would never be able to take his soul.
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He will die when Big Mom takes his soul. There is no other way. He tried them all.
I just realised something.
How do you suppose Big Mom taking Kaidou's soul will go down? The only way she can take people's souls is by asking people "X or life" and if they're scared she can take their souls. But Kaidou does not appear like the type to cower before her in any way. Especially since he wants to die, so then how can he be scared? I mean I guess that he could voluntarily give it up maybe? But then how to ensure that there's actually some fight to give the readers satisfaction, if Big Mom could just do that at any point?
EDIT: ninja'd by Monq. Also thanks for the reply to the Kaidou thing. I see your viewpoint and I guess it ties in with the whole Monet/Vergo debate, boiling down to a question of 'is Oda deliberately making the New World darker?' I never really formed a perspective on this, I can see both sides' merit and I'm just waiting to see what happens. Still, even if we assume that death is now more of a thing in OP, I still wonder if suicide isn't too touchy a subject for Oda to truly let it happen.
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May I ask, what is your view on the whole Lola situation then? I have relatively mixed feelings about future possibilities for Big Mom so I'd be curious to hear some viewpoints. Could you elaborate?
What if Lola knew that they would encounter Big Mom at some point and gave it away the Vivre Card to counter the Homies?
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What if Lola knew that they would encounter Big Mom at some point and gave it away the Vivre Card to counter the Homies?
That would be a very likely option if Lola had just said "this may help you in the future" or perhaps "this may help you when you encounter my mother", leaving ambiguity as to whether it is to ask for help or to oppose her. But Lola literally said that Big Mom would help them. Since Pudding's ability was revealed it's become pretty obvious that somebody's memories must have been tampered with, unless there's another option I'm missing. How will this play out?
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That would be a very likely option if Lola had just said "this may help you in the future" or perhaps "this may help you when you encounter my mother", leaving ambiguity as to whether it is to ask for help or to oppose her. But Lola literally said that Big Mom would help them. Since Pudding's ability was revealed it's become pretty obvious that somebody's memories must have been tampered with, unless there's another option I'm missing. How will this play out?
Lola may also think that Big Mom isn't that mad at her. There has to be a reason she didn't said she was Big Mom's daughter right out of the bat.
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Lola may also think that Big Mom isn't that mad at her. There has to be a reason she didn't said she was Big Mom's daughter right out of the bat.
Chiffon did say that Lola was too naive to believe that Big Mom would respond as harshly as she did, and while this may be true, I still feel like it cannot be the entire truth. I kind of doubt that Oda would tease us for so long with that statement by Lola only to go "naah Big Mom is just fully bad, forget all about what Lola said, she was just naive". You know?
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Chiffon did say that Lola was too naive to believe that Big Mom would respond as harshly as she did, and while this may be true, I still feel like it cannot be the entire truth. I kind of doubt that Oda would tease us for so long with that statement by Lola only to go "naah Big Mom is just fully bad, forget all about what Lola said, she was just naive". You know?
Oda would go this way if it's mean giving Nami a Chekov's Gun.
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Oda would go this way if it's mean giving Nami a Chekov's Gun.
Was the Vivre Card supposed to be a Chekov's Gun? Because that hardly went anywhere besides manipulating some Homies in the Seducing Woods that ended up getting promptly destroyed by the Enraged Army.
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@Count:
Was the Vivre Card supposed to be a Chekov's Gun? Because that hardly went anywhere besides manipulating some Homies in the Seducing Woods that ended up getting promptly destroyed by the Enraged Army.
Agreed. It's been used in some way, but nowhere near to justify its place in the story.
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@Count:
Was the Vivre Card supposed to be a Chekov's Gun? Because that hardly went anywhere besides manipulating some Homies in the Seducing Woods that ended up getting promptly destroyed by the Enraged Army.
It was used once. It only needed to be used once. I don't see any reason to not being used another time unless to reveal that Nami once met Lola to Big Mom.
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It was used once. It only needed to be used once. I don't see any reason to not being used another time unless to reveal that Nami once met Lola to Big Mom.
It didn't need to be used at all considering that controlling the Homies never went anywhere aside from the info about Big Mom hating Lola. And then comes the point of why Oda would build-up Nami's relationship with Lola and Lola saying Big Mom would help the Straw Hats if the only relevant thing to come out of that was Big Mom hating a character that isn't even present in this arc? The info about Lola could have been revealed in another way that didn't need a pointless one-shot item. If Nami's relationship with Chiffon goes anywhere, then that would actually be something substantial. But all we learned was info about the Elbaf wedding, which she or someone else could have mentioned without Nami being friends with Lola.
As it stands, there was really no solid point in Lola giving Nami Big Mom's Vivre Card if all that was going to amount to was Big Mom hating Lola and some exposition.
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@Count:
It didn't need to be used at all considering that controlling the Homies never went anywhere aside from the info about Big Mom hating Lola. And then comes the point of why Oda would build-up Nami's relationship with Lola and Lola saying Big Mom would help the Straw Hats if the only relevant thing to come out of that was Big Mom hating a character that isn't even present in this arc? The info about Lola could have been revealed in another way that didn't need a pointless one-shot item. If Nami's relationship with Chiffon goes anywhere, then that would actually be something substantial. But all we learned was info about the Elbaf wedding, which she or someone else could have mentioned without Nami being friends with Lola.
As it stands, there was really no solid point in Lola giving Nami Big Mom's Vivre Card if all that was going to amount to was Big Mom hating Lola and some exposition.
You may be trying to look at the situation in a too much complex way than it should.
Bringing Nami and Lola relationship just to bring up all that was already discussed until now may be what Oda intended. It's totally possible and pretty much the most likely path he took it.
Or now that declaration that Luffy would beat Big Mom and take Fishman Island as his turf is not going to happen because of Lola's Vivre Card?
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You may be trying to look at the situation in a too much complex way than it should.
Bringing Nami and Lola relationship just to bring up all that was already discussed until now may be what Oda intended. It's totally possible and pretty much the most likely path he took it.
Or now that declaration that Luffy would beat Big Mom and take Fishman Island as his turf is not going to happen because of Lola's Vivre Card?
But I'm saying that if all Oda intended with the Lola/Big Mom can help plotline was to reveal that Big Mom actually hates her, and she's not even present right now in this arc, then it was pretty much pointless to build that up unless Nami plays a role in somehow changing that relationship (whether it's for better or worse). That plotline, including Pound and Chiffon's roles in the arc, need a conclusion that takes a different shift from where they started when we met them. Just leaving it the way it is makes this entire plotline a waste of time. Not that I'm saying the only way this can get resolved is if Big Mom becomes buddies with Luffy, but these relationship problems need some type of resolution an clarification. Lola's friendship with Nami needs to be relevant. If the Vivre Card couldn't do the job, then something else Nami might do has to.
Regardless of whether Big Mom makes a truce or alliance or whatever, that does not mean Luffy's still not going to earn/keep Fishman Island as his turf.
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Big Mom is actually pregnant... and that's the cause of her eating disorder... she just wants to eat something specific and at specific time like any woman during pregnacy.
Now... Luffy punching a pregnant woman would be priceless xD
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It is not mine… and worth putting it
Big Mom is actually pregnant... and that's the cause of her eating disorder... she just wants to eat something specific and at specific time like any woman during pregnacy.
Now... Luffy punching a pregnant woman would be priceless xD
haha interesting, but who the father would be:ninja: Diesel seems nasty af.
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In the Dressrosa saga, it was stated that the D's are god's natural enemy.
the "gods' are the celestial dragons, descendents of the original kingdoms that formed the government. So the will of D are probably people that created ancient weapons and were a threat, hence why the world government founders allied together.
Maybe the Will of D come from sea kings? Created devil fruits? I lost my train of thought dammit.
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@Count:
But I'm saying that if all Oda intended with the Lola/Big Mom can help plotline was to reveal that Big Mom actually hates her, and she's not even present right now in this arc, then it was pretty much pointless to build that up unless Nami plays a role in somehow changing that relationship (whether it's for better or worse). That plotline, including Pound and Chiffon's roles in the arc, need a conclusion that takes a different shift from where they started when we met them. Just leaving it the way it is makes this entire plotline a waste of time. Not that I'm saying the only way this can get resolved is if Big Mom becomes buddies with Luffy, but these relationship problems need some type of resolution an clarification. Lola's friendship with Nami needs to be relevant. If the Vivre Card couldn't do the job, then something else Nami might do has to.
Regardless of whether Big Mom makes a truce or alliance or whatever, that does not mean Luffy's still not going to earn/keep Fishman Island as his turf.
I've always took the Vivre Card thing as some kind of guarantee that whoever would turn out to be Lola's Mom would in the end be exactly what was promised by Lola: be helpful. Think about it: The Card thing introduced at the end of Thriller Bark with the promise that if they have the Vivre Card they can hope for help in the New World. This is is juxtaposed with the general description of the New World as a dangerous place. Oda introduces this plot point way before we're actually entering the New World and it serves as a "Ray of light" (sorry, couldn't resist ) with which the reader can feel a little bit more comfortable in facing the dangers of the Grandline's second half. If Straw Hats have problems there, there's the possibility of aid by Lola's Mom.
My take is that this literally is a promise to the reader that Big Mom will really help the Straw Hats and feel that it would be awkward for Oda to destroy this carefully planted seed by not fulfiling this expectation that readers had for Lola's Mom since almost 400 chapters ago.
The main question is: In light of how things are depicted to be at WCI, by what crazy twists and turns do we get to the point where Big Mom will become supportive?
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@Count:
But I'm saying that if all Oda intended with the Lola/Big Mom can help plotline was to reveal that Big Mom actually hates her, and she's not even present right now in this arc, then it was pretty much pointless to build that up unless Nami plays a role in somehow changing that relationship (whether it's for better or worse). That plotline, including Pound and Chiffon's roles in the arc, need a conclusion that takes a different shift from where they started when we met them. Just leaving it the way it is makes this entire plotline a waste of time. Not that I'm saying the only way this can get resolved is if Big Mom becomes buddies with Luffy, but these relationship problems need some type of resolution an clarification. Lola's friendship with Nami needs to be relevant. If the Vivre Card couldn't do the job, then something else Nami might do has to.
Regardless of whether Big Mom makes a truce or alliance or whatever, that does not mean Luffy's still not going to earn/keep Fishman Island as his turf.
Yeah, it would be weird if this Lola plotline screeched to a halt here. Given who her fiance is, it seems like something that'll be resolved along with a lot of other Big Mom stuff in Elbaf.
haha interesting, but who the father would be:ninja: Diesel seems nasty af.
Still a million times more handsome than Pound.
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What a nasty choice, Diesel that is. Obviously… Urouge mothafuckers!! Why do you think he was at Sorajima recovering, huh? Snack? Zeus and Prometheus' climate change? It is obviously by fucking Lin Lin!!
Regarding the matter of the plot-hole. Pudding-chwan is your gal, guys.
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On Kaido's future: first we need to answer the question why can't Kaido die? It could be something unique to him, the same way Mama has the portrait vulnerability. Or having a devil fruit power.
Because it is much easier to talk about the latter, then following along the idea of Blackbeard storming the Wano aftermath could give us the answer. Negate fruit, kill Kaido.
I would like to add, that if Blackbeard shows up in WCI, to then show up in Wano, then I'll probably commit to thinking that Blackbeard will hold a public execution of all three emperors, to display his power to the world. Considering Luffy would have weakened two of them, it goes well with the idea of Blackbeard stealing accomplishments. And also to contrast Luffy and Teach and their goals.
As far as motives: at least for Wano, there are a lot of devil fruit powers and knowing Luffy, he will probably declare he is going to defeat Kaido during this arc, which would alert the entire underworld, Big News!!
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@Count:
As it stands, there was really no solid point in Lola giving Nami Big Mom's Vivre Card if all that was going to amount to was Big Mom hating Lola and some exposition.
Not that the point I'm about to make is saying it's good storytelling or anything, but it might have just served as a platform to plant the Big Mom/Lola seed AND serve as a place to explain the paper Ace gave Luffy years earlier right before we got into Saboady and started going down the Ace rescue stuff.