@Count:
Actually, the point of why Oda does cover stories in general is to almost always build-up future plot threads, both big and small. And the few cover stories he's done showing what past characters are currently doing are no exception to that. They're being kept fresh in our minds so they don't feel like an awkwardly distant memory when we see all of them, even just as cameos, during the Final War of the story bound to tie-in everybody the Straw Hats have met.
A few examples include Wapol being made the king of Evil Black Drum Kingdom, which we now know is tying into the Reverie, Vivi and her attendants getting clothes ready for the Reverie, Sabo leaving a newspaper and three sake cups at Ace's grave hinting that he didn't actually die, the Fishman Island kids wearing straw hats in honor of Luffy most likely being tied into Shyarly's vision of a silhouette wearing a straw hat destroying Fishman Island (she merely assumed it would be Luffy. Not that it still can't be Luffy though), and Shanks attending a wedding where someone in his crew (most likely Lucky Roo since he is the only absent crew member on those pages) probably getting married to someone to potentially promote an alliance (I'm betting on a girl from Elbaf as that island continues to become more and more relevant).
This is why you don't judge scenes and characters purely based on their current context. You need to consider the author's viewpoint and purpose for establishing these events, and expand your mind towards considering possible future contexts that put a twist on what the author may want your expectations to be so that they can surprise you.
that specific adventure had multiple protagonist that had one panel each..i doubt every single one of those is to establish plotpoints for later.
The Marines tried to stop it. They didn't. The Marines only acted in the fear that the two Yonko may ally with one another. That does not mean they will act to pursue a Yonko if they are traveling to islands or other oceans solo, like Kaido (the user in this forum, not the Yonko lol) already stated.
whenever they try to stop it doesn't really matter,they would at least keep the surveillance on him, no reason not to..while the WG and thus the marines have had examples of negligence in the past,they are still the one military force which entire purpose is to protect the citizens, they can't see a yonkou on the move and say "eh,whatever"
the example stated by kaidou are all in the new world, the one place on earth where WG and marine laws don't apply,where a pirate can have an entire country set up without repercussions…the east blue is not the new world though,that's marin/WG territory.
Ah, my bad. You're positively right. Conjectures can only work if you have evidence to start from in the story. Let me cite you something in the story to read on that shows Shanks' friendly relationship with Makino.
Chapter 1 of One Piece
They like each other, they have sex off-panel at some point in the series because they apparently like each other more than we thought, and then Makino has a baby shown post-timeskip. There's nothing complex or too assumptive about that at all. And we know that Oda isn't the biggest fan of showing romance as a notable focus in this series, especially pre-timeskip, so I doubt he would care about wanting to show Shanks and Makino's romantic relationship. Which isn't different from how Roger left Rogue or how Yasopp left Banchina alone on other islands, and reinforces how much Oda likes having deadbeat dads be admirable pirate characters.
you mean that chapter where they had this poignant interactions?
-page 13- "captain you seem to be happy as always"
-page 20- "are you alright captain?did you get hurt?"
-page 32- "captain!"
aaaand that's it….yeah,sorry,don't see that..and i mean not only romantic or sexual tension, but also any kind of particular friendship or relationship in general.
also,roger left rogue and then told garp to go there and protect her,so it's not the same thing at all,and yasopp was not famous at all when left the village to follow shanks, so it's not the same thing either.
If I believed solely in Oda's patterns without understanding WHY and HOW he does those patterns, then I would be one of the people ignorantly believing that Luffy would defeat Big Mom in this arc like most of the previous arc antagonists. There is tangible evidence and hinting. It's merely nuanced and not made an emphasis of the story right now. Like all of the plot threads and twists Oda sets up early on before they become majorly relevant to the story. It doesn't matter how big a theory is if all of the evidence and connections are consistent and don't defy basic logic.
again, i reread the entirety of chapter 1,saw no tangible evidence nor hinting.
Yes, this is a fictional story where Oda can do whatever he wants. But that does not mean that doing whatever he wants will make One Piece stay a good story. He needs to consistently stick by what he has established in the series to still make it good. And by reading off of how he works as a storyteller, I can make effective conjecture on where he will most likely take the story. Conjectures may not be 100% certain since that requires full-blown confirmation in the manga or from the author's mouth. But that does not mean they cannot be 99.99999999% certain either.
so you say oda can't do whatever he wants if he wants his story to still be good (which i agree with),but then you say he can pull a "shanks and makino totally had sex" plot point out of thin air and it would be ok because people like to pair up fictional people? Again,can't say i'm convinced,but at this point we are running in circles and the thread wasn't even about shanks and makino really.
Seriously, authors don't make up whatever stuff they want for a story and expect it to sell. What you're saying is basically doubting for the sake of doubting, which does not prove anything, without actually presenting effective evidence to support your case after it's been constructively criticized. If something new comes up in the story to indicate that a theory is no longer as accurate as it once was. I will always take it into account. But until then, I will stick to both what the story has shown thus far and my knowledge of how the author operates to note where the story will most likely go. You can continue to doubt for the sake of doubt if you want, but that's literally admitting you don't trust yourself or anyone else to predict future events in a story. Which is always possible to do. Obviously, theorizers are not always right. Even Greg's been wrong plenty of times. But that does not mean their thoughts do not have credibility behind them that made their theories plausible.
doubting for the sake of doubting?what? you are proposing a theory that has no basis in anything in the manga,the only "proof" that you brought is chapter one,where makino and shanks talk with each other 3 times and none of them made them look like more than two people that know each other, yet i'm the one forcing things and "doubting for the sake of doubting? ok.
Oda can eat mushrooms and make up random stuff, it's always possible. But something being possible does not equate to being likely. And I hope you don't think that all theories are equally likely/unlikely just because their theories. That's a sloppy way to review likelihood of the future in general, not only with a fictional story.
dude,seriously,that part was basically to say to you that the theory is bollocks because it would be pull out of thin air but there's always a possibility being a fictional story from one person,but that would have made it sloppy writing.You are basically saying you agree with me while saying the opposite thing on the other:blink:
Presuming that a female character had a baby with the one guy we know is available and had a good relationship with her should count as a foothold.
no,it doesn't ,at all.
let alone cosidering that the guy hasn't been in fusha for >10 years at best (since he definitely didn't come back while luffy was there) and that the possiblity he made a journey from the new world to the east blue just for a one night stand, while funny , it's also kinda unlikely if you think things through the rules of the onepiece world.Of course oda could stop considering those,but as you said,that would be sloppy writing.
Who says that they even want to use the East Blue info or if the Marines even have the info in the first place? The only reason the Marines looked for Roger's kid was out of the sheer possibility one may have been left behind in the year proceeding his death, out of hilariously unjustified fear of his legacy being an excuse for making an unborn child a scapegoat to abduct or even kill.
and the yonkou are the guys who are the guys in line to become the new pirate king,so there's really no reason they shouldn't be feared the same way.also,you are talking about akainu here,the guy who bombed a rescue ship for the remote possibilities that a criminal snuck inside it..do you really think that once he knows that shanks has a "wife" and a child,he would not use them, or just straight up sentence them as criminals just for that?
Shanks doesn't need to care about being spotted. The Marines won't do anything without probable cause to arouse immediate action, like taking over East Blue or possibly allying with another Yonko. Also, not every Marine presence on every island is going to want to report on Yonko or pirate activity in general. Assuming they even know about it. Nobody we saw in the East Blue even knew whether Devil Fruits were real or not, so information networks can be wonky when stretched out so far.
yeah,the marines patrol the sea for exact reason to spot pirates,but if they see a yonkou ship they are going to be all "whatever"..in the sea where the biggest threat was arlong…
The only thing the Marines can reasonably do is gather information, but that is assuming they even have the reach or capabilities to find out whoever Shanks decides to sleep with behind closed doors. The Marines are not the NSA where they have cameras everywhere to watch everybody's movements. They may control the Blues, but that does not mean they have significant and powerful presences in the Blues either. In fact, the Marines watching the movement of the Yonko are probably only relevant whenever Oda deems the plot needing it.
except we know they do:blink:..and they don't need cameras,just go on fusha and ask anybody and conduct investigation,much like they did with rouge..they are actually the good guys there.,probably someone would even tell them straight what happened.
and oda ignoring what he already set up would be,you guess it,a plothole and sloppy writing,that's kind of the definition of the world.
you either don't consider at all what has been established,and then give license to oda to write whatever he wants,or you held him up to an higher standard,and then you can't pick and choose what rules you want to consider and what you don't wanna consider because they collide with your theory.
that's not how theory crafting works,or at least how it should.
You're thinking too hard about lore circumstances that Oda himself probably doesn't care about at all aside from establishing character hype and future plot events whenever it's convenient.
or maybe you are not thinking enough to the consequences because you like the theory..but at that point don't go rambling about how oda can't do whatever he wants because that would bad for the story..ignoring things established in the past is exactly that, and it's implied for your theory to even be possible…then we have the stuff about the relationship of shanks and makino that i really don't see,but that's beside the point, that's not the first problem for me,world consistency and absence of plotholes are.
anyway,we can agree to disagree and leave the thread to the actual topic, i think we already said all we wanted to say@imperioonepiece:
I have another theory about that, I think the baby could be Sabo's son xD Sabo remembered his past two years ago, and then goes to East Blue to meet Makino…
Plus, we also see in a coverstory, a bandit wearing a hat that resembles Sabo's hat. Or could have been another revolutionary? Dragon?
sabo didn't remember a thing about fusha until ace's death -_-