20 chapter looks more than fine to me.
seeing how the pace went til now, to be true I was expecting it to finish in 15 chapters.
20 chapter looks more than fine to me.
seeing how the pace went til now, to be true I was expecting it to finish in 15 chapters.
If someone is interested in the source of the interview (audio: Japanese), here is the video I recorded.
The guy in red outfits in this video visited Shueisha and held an interview with editor Sugita. He talked about the interview today.
On a side note, the editor also said that the pacing in Whole Cake Island arc will be more rushed.
Whole Cake ending up at less than 50 chapters (we've only been on the actual island for 19!) would make it shorter than Alabasta, Skypea, and Fishman Island, despite featuring an Emperors crew + Secret Sanji super-dramatic backstory + supposedly Jinbe joining. With sooo many characters and factions, I just don't see how it can possibly work out - at least not without Bellamy'ing/Burgess'ing a lot of them.
Well, Wano next year sounds exciting.
Perhaps the intention is to not fall into the 100 chapter trap Dressrosa was? But there's a lot of threads running…
If it indeed is going to be that short, I'm going to miss the insanity of this place. Big Mom has been such a joy and the set pieces have been visually interesting.
Hopefully Oda can make most of the threads close in a satisfying way because if he can perhaps we can get really good arcs that don't need to take years to complete. Though with all the Kaido hype that one seems like it will be one of the larger arcs of the series.
Having a 40 chapter arc doesn´t sound bad, but we´re dealing with a yonkou (and Vinsmokes + Jinbe), so it feels naturally kind of short.
Also that more or less confirms, that the reverie will be after the Wano arc ?!
I never expected nor wanted this arc to be Dressrosa-lengthed. But I'm not going to believe that Totland will be this short since Oda often underestimates his lengths. But if this is true and we have twenty chapters left, I think that we should give attention to how Caesar Clown, Vergo, and Monet as antagonists had a longer arc as antagonists than a Yonko.
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Never doubt the clown.
Oda's covered quite a lot of ground in only 26 chapters, so I have faith that even more will happen in the remaining ones. At least it's not Bleach getting five chapters to wrap up its entire story. Plus, since I don't think Big Mom will be defeated, I expect that not everything will be neatly wrapped up before Wano starts and Totland plot threads will play roles in Wano as well. Wano will probably surpass Dressrosa in length.
This is bullshit!Apart from dealing somehow with Big Mom,which as Daz analytically showed,requires the presentation of numerous plot points that require more than,say,25 chpaters,we have to search for the remnants of Whitebeard's crew and expect a possible conflict with Weevil.How all these things are to be represented in a satisfying way in 30 chapters for example?
This arc which deals with so many plot points and it is one of the most artistically well crafted,shouldn't be rushed under no way.
Does it say 50% in term of story or number of chapters ?
Year of Zoro confirmed?
No, every fucking year except the year of ace and the year of sanji has been the year of zoro.
Maybe year of zoro will be the year his fans turn on him for going over character development that doesnt have him just acting 100% manly all the time lol
Zoro doesn't need a year for himself. He is perfectly doing what he was made to do: catchphrases, manly poses and causing erections on kids.
So is the fandom so eager to see Wano ,that makes it indifferent to whatever must be shown before it,and in a proper normal pace as well?Because i found this statement very very worrying…
@Kaido:
Oda's covered quite a lot of ground in only 26 chapters, so I have faith that even more will happen in the remaining ones. At least it's not Bleach getting five chapters to wrap up its entire story. Plus, since I don't think Big Mom will be defeated, I expect that not everything will be neatly wrapped up before Wano starts and Totland plot threads will play roles in Wano as well. Wano will probably surpass Dressrosa in length.
This.
I agree with you here, Totland is not going to be finished in this arc but it will play some roles in the Wano arc. The best thing the SH can do right now is not defeating BM, it's impossible for them to do so. Remember that there's only Luffy, Nami, Chopper, Carrot, Pedro, Brook, Jinbei (later on) and Sanji going all out against a freakin' yonkou in her freakin' territory. They can't defeat her, the result was shown when Luffy suffered the utter defeat when he challenged the BM crew.
So here my guess :
I really miss this arc i guess i wont like any arc more than this one
My biggest issue with a supposedly rushed back half of the arc is…this arc is fun. I don't care about getting to the Wano arc faster when the current arc, the one happening right now, is entertaining, and holds a lot of promise, including for plotlines it has barely touched upon. Back when Zou turned out to have no real climax everyone was cool with it because "reverie, Big Mom, Vinsmokes just around the corner!" - moving on to a sensibility that all that needs to wrap up quickly to set up the next arc strikes me as a bad case of Toriko at its worst.
I know almost everyone got burnt out on Dressrosa, but that biggest crime wasn't being 100 chapters long, it was being so incredibly overstuffed that almost no elements got truly statisfactory focus and payoff. Seriously, try thinking of the amount of named characters or individual groups/factions, and compare to the longer Water 7 arc. Its insane. Just because Whole cake has comparatively fewer characters and elements doesn't mean the solution is just hitting the fast-forward button, for the sake of the next big thing.
So is the fandom so eager to see Wano ,that makes it indifferent to whatever must be shown before it,and in a proper normal pace as well?Because i found this statement very very worrying…
I can't speak for the fandom but I am more interested in Wano because it is probably the last island of the "Defeat Kaido saga". I've already invested years to this saga and to see it sidelined for a potentially longer saga..man its irritating.
@Daz:
My biggest issue with a supposedly rushed back half of the arc is…this arc is fun. I don't care about getting to the Wano arc faster when the current arc, the one happening right now, is entertaining, and holds a lot of promise, including for plotlines it has barely touched upon. Back when Zou turned out to have no real climax everyone was cool with it because "reverie, Big Mom, Vinsmokes just around the corner!" - moving on to a sensibility that all that needs to wrap up quickly to set up the next arc strikes me as a bad case of Toriko at its worst.
I'm not too fond of Oda rushing this arc (even though I still haven't recovered from Dressrosa ) but don't forget that he always tends to greatly underestimate the lenght of his work. I don't think the arc will end in 20 chapters but in rather 30 chapters~
They could end the arc with Luffy and co leaving Totland, then show 5 chapters or so showing what Neko and Inu are doing it and then begins Zou with Zoro and the rest of the Straw Hats. So in those 25-30 chapters we need to Brook to copy the Poneglyph, Luffy, Nami and Chopper to leave their shackles and retrieve Sanji. The only one who really needs to be beat at this point is Ichiji and Niji.
Also,i remind you again,that we probably have to deal with the search for Marco and his crew and a very possible encounter with Weavil,before going to Wano.
This current statement makes it unbelievable that all these things will be dealt in a proper way in lets say 30 chapters,let alone the Big Mom stuff which apart from anything else,like Daz adressed before me, is the definition of fun.
Why must we sideline everything to get to this darned Wano arc,counting chapters to support this unbelievable rush as i see it?
And when Wano passes the 30 chapter mark are we gonna demand a hurry for the final war as well?
Well, if 25 chapters completed the first half, then 25 more would complete the rest of it making the arc sit at about 50 chapters. I think that's reasonable, you guys seem to forget the type of ground that Oda can cover in one chapter let alone 25.
Probably i am in the wrong here,as i see the majority of the posters to encompass this development, which from my point of view of course , seems to suggest an unreasonable change in the pace of storytelling.Oh,well…
Also,i remind you again,that we probably have to deal with the search for Marco and his crew and a very possible encounter with Weavil,before going to Wano.
This current statement makes it unbelievable that all these things will be dealt in a proper way in lets say 30 chapters,let alone the Big Mom stuff which apart from anything else,like Daz adressed before me, is the definition of fun.
Why must we sideline everything to get to this darned Wano arc,counting chapters to support this unbelievable rush as i see it?
And when Wano passes the 30 chapter mark are we gonna demand a hurry for the final war as well?
Does the actual search need to be shown? I mean if Cat Viper showed up with Marco at wano would change that much? Heck that entrance could show up later
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Does the actual search need to be shown? I mean if Cat Viper showed up with Marco at wano would change that much? Heck that entrance could show up later
For example, based on what Oda has shown to us,Marco is also the target of Weevil , which means that the search team will meet with him, which means that there's going to be some sort of confrontation(all out or not,we don't know).
Keeping this confrontation thing aside, all this implies to me some kind of adventure, a little detour before the showdown in Wano,like many that have happened before.
A satisfying way to show this minor and possible adventure, doesn't seem possible in say the next 30 chapters.
Of course Oda may thinks the Weavil meating as part of the overall Wano arc.
Let alone this leaves the whole Big Mom situation, which even if it won't be dealt with an all out war, it stills has so many things to adress, which make this estimate of chapters inadequate to me.
Of course, this is my personal point of view and that's why this statement seems fairly weird and completely against my calculations, based on how much material must be covered and how Oda tends to deal with these things the past 20 years.
Didn't anybody else here heard about Post-Arcs?
One Piece arc that you might have read in the past, Impel Down, was 25 chapters long.
Whole Cake Island arc lasting ~50 chapters sounds about right.
@Daz:
I know almost everyone got burnt out on Dressrosa
I love ridiculous exaggerations, but a vocal minority doesn't make almost everyone.
Didn't anybody else here heard about Post-Arcs?
Of course i am not in Oda's mind, but after the fall of the strongest creature in the world,i am not sure that there will be space for many post- things.
And what makes you to believe,that after Wano there won't be an urge to get to the ''interesting stuff'' just like now,in order to get to the final war and speeding through Elbaf and Vegapunk?
Of course if this ''hurry'' proves to be the result of a tired or sick Oda,then all this talk is meaningless. We can't demand him to die for us…
@Don:
Having a 40 chapter arc doesn´t sound bad, but we´re dealing with a yonkou (and Vinsmokes + Jinbe), so it feels naturally kind of short.
Also that more or less confirms, that the reverie will be after the Wano arc ?!
It wouldnt be 40 chapters, whole cake island arc started technically in 823 so 40 more would just give us 863 which is 15 chapters and thats just crazy
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Of course i am not in Oda's mind, but after the fall of the strongest creature in the world,i am not sure that there will be space for many post- things.
What makes you think Kaido will certainly fall at Wano?
What makes you think Kaido will certainly fall at Wano?
Of course i don't read Oda's mind.
It just seems suitable to me that the giant Oni that is inspired from one of the most japanese tales out there, will be dealt in a ''japanese'' island, just like the sand monster in a dessert island, the mad professor in his secret lab and probably the insane witch in her enchanted kingdom.
Plus,we hear about this Kaido guy from Punk Hazzard, so after Wano it seems to me a little bit of a dragging.
We have to deal with these emperors now,but since we waited so long for their arcs, why not to take our time in doing that the proper way, provided Oda has the strenght to do it?
I love ridiculous exaggerations, but a vocal minority doesn't make almost everyone.
Calling them (us) a vocal minority is also an exaggeration. I've seen plenty of complaints and plenty of people complaining.
Sure, same can be said for almost any arc in OP, but still.
If the wedding was on the current day, I wouldn't really see the problem. But I wonder how Oda tackles the passage of time. Luffy and Nami aren't in an immediate danger and can wait, but the same doesn't go for Brook and Chopper.
There's a chance some plot lines might remain unresolved or not completely resolved. I keep wondering how Sanji can deal with his family and BM and redeem himself all in 20 chapters which are supposed to be jam packed with other unresolved plot lines? It's his damn year, after all. When is he going to start kicking ass and badassing around?
I'm actually with Daz and Gangonga on this. Totland's been superbly fun. I can maybe see it ending in around twenty chapters, but not without sidelining characters like Brook and Chooper (which I would find extremely distasteful since they finally seem to have relevancy). And I think that people are also forgetting that we have at least two flashbacks to see in this arc. Pedro and Pekoms' past as well as Lola escaping her marriage. The first one doesn't have to be long at first glance, but the second should probably be as long as Sanji's in this arc. Not to mention that I also think a second Vinsmoke/Germa 66 flashback is very possible for several reasons. We also need to see Nami manipulate Prometheus and Zeus as well as a satisfying reunion with Jimbei that is at least half as good as the blood transfusion in Fishman Island than just "yeah, sorry for getting delayed. Let's roll out!" This is just… No, I'm not buying this "over 50% done" spiel. This arc is too damn fun and unique in setting, cast, and plot progression lol. And there's too many plot threads running rampant to make comparisons to arc lengths like Impel Down and Zou. Considering how the Swirly Hats got sidelined for over seventy chapters in comparison to the other Straw Hats in Dressrosa, only making up with that in over forty chapters feels too short of a makeup for these main characters. I just can't see it.
Like I said before, I never expected or wanted Totland to be Dressrosa-length. But I don't really know how to process this type of length and all of these plot-threads successfully wrapping up.
I've also been on the Marco Recruitment arc band as well. Sure, it could totally happen in a cover story or in a few chapters Ace versus Blackbeard-style. But what about Weevil? He's deliberately set up to encounter both Marco and Luffy. Unless he somehow pulls a Burgess and follows Marco and Nekomamushi to Wano Country, he can't be sidelined.
And I'm pretty certain Kaido should fall at Wano Country. Like Gangonga said, his giant Oni design makes him fit perfectly with the Japanese Momotaro myth as a parallel/direct inspiration. His Devil Fruit most likely being an eastern dragon also makes him fit thematically. And just look at his freaking fu manchu mustache and shimenawa belt. Not to mention all of the allies being built up for this arc just because of his presence, as well as being responsible for Oden's death and Luffy promising Momo that he will beat Kaido. I can't see Oda in a million years writing Kaido with some sort of "Curses! Until we meet again..." ending at all with all of this built-up thematic alignment.
Maybe Wano will begin in the fall or even early winter lol. That's the only proper way I see this going down.
I really hope at least each curly hats and Luffy get a proper fight before the end of the arc. I didn't say anything when most of Luffy and Nami vs cracker got off-paneled, I didn't say anything when Nami manipulating Big Mom's cloud got off-paneled, I didn't say anything when Chopper did nothing but running away from Brulée for more than 10 chapter, I didn't say antyhing when Brook disappeared for more than 10 chapers because I was like "Well, Oda saving stuff for the climax". I hope he won't disappoint me. Otherwise I would end up quite salty. Call me petty, but meh, I waited enough.
I really hope at least each curly hats and Luffy get a proper fight before the end of the arc. I didn't say anything when most of Luffy and Nami vs cracker got off-paneled, I didn't say anything when Nami manipulating Big Mom's cloud got off-paneled, I didn't say anything when Chopper did nothing but running away from Brulée for more than 10 chapter, I didn't say when Brook disappeared for more than 10 chapers because I was like "Well, Oda saving stuff for the climax". I hope he won't disappoint me. Otherwise I would end up quite salty. Call me petty, but meh, I waited enough.
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I feel you man. If nothing, we need to see Sanji have a serious fight and win, otherwise the whole Year of Sanji thing was a load of crap.
Count Mario,one of the best posters around here, expressed our concerns in the best way possible.Hats off to you,sir!
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I feel you man. If nothing, we need to see Sanji have a serious fight and win, otherwise the whole Year of Sanji thing was a load of crap.
Yeah, but I think Sanji having a badass moment and serious fight that he'll win is almost a given so I don't worry.
I'm not that optimistic for the others though if the arc is already more than 50% done and the pacing will be more "rushed" from now (I'm quoting what the editor himself said)
What makes you think Kaido will certainly fall at Wano?
Because villains that are dicks to people on certains island tend to get defeated there.
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@Count:
I'm actually with Daz and Gangonga on this. Totland's been superbly fun. I can maybe see it ending in around twenty chapters, but not without sidelining characters like Brook and Chooper (which I would find extremely distasteful since they finally seem to have relevancy). And I think that people are also forgetting that we have at least two flashbacks to see in this arc. Pedro and Pekoms' past as well as Lola escaping her marriage. The first one doesn't have to be long at first glance, but the second should probably be as long as Sanji's in this arc. Not to mention that I also think a second Vinsmoke/Germa 66 flashback is very possible for several reasons. We also need to see Nami manipulate Prometheus and Zeus as well as a satisfying reunion with Jimbei that is at least half as good as the blood transfusion in Fishman Island than just "yeah, sorry for getting delayed. Let's roll out!" This is just… No, I'm not buying this "over 50% done" spiel. This arc is too damn fun and unique in setting, cast, and plot progression lol. And there's too many plot threads running rampant to make comparisons to arc lengths like Impel Down and Zou. Considering how the Swirly Hats got sidelined for over seventy chapters in comparison to the other Straw Hats in Dressrosa, only making up with that in over forty chapters feels too short of a makeup for these main characters. I just can't see it.
Like I said before, I never expected or wanted Totland to be Dressrosa-length. But I don't really know how to process this type of length and all of these plot-threads successfully wrapping up.
I've also been on the Marco Recruitment arc band as well. Sure, it could totally happen in a cover story or in a few chapters Ace versus Blackbeard-style. But what about Weevil? He's deliberately set up to encounter both Marco and Luffy. Unless he somehow pulls a Burgess and follows Marco and Nekomamushi to Wano Country, he can't be sidelined.
And I'm pretty certain Kaido should fall at Wano Country. Like Gangonga said, his giant Oni design makes him fit perfectly with the Japanese Momotaro myth as a parallel/direct inspiration. His Devil Fruit most likely being an eastern dragon also makes him fit thematically. And just look at his freaking fu manchu mustache and shimenawa belt. Not to mention all of the allies being built up for this arc just because of his presence, as well as being responsible for Oden's death and Luffy promising Momo that he will beat Kaido. I can't see Oda in a million years writing Kaido with some sort of "Curses! Until we meet again..." ending at all with all of this built-up thematic alignment.
Maybe Wano will begin in the fall or even early winter lol. That's the only proper way I see this going down.
whats with this concrete 20 number being passed around as gospel, they mentioned 2017 and it doesnt have to be over by the july celebration
@Long:
Because villains that are dicks to people on certains island tend to get defeated there.
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whats with this concrete 20 number being passed around as gospel, they mentioned 2017 and it doesnt have to be over by the july celebration
Well, they said the arc is over 50% done. Totland started in Chapter 827 (although you could argue it started in Chapter 823 since that is when the Sanji Retrieval Team started to be on their own). The most recent One Piece chapter is 848, meaning 21-24 chapters have passed. Around there is supposedly "already more than 50% done". The remainder of that technically shouldn't be over 20 chapters.
I'm going to stick with the established tradition of expecting these arc length predictions to not be met like they usually are and that we will get more than twenty chapters. But if the statement is to be taken literally and will actually happen, twenty chapters is right in the ballpark. It doesn't have to be EXACTLY twenty, but a few more chapters than that doesn't really change all that much when it comes to the concerns I have.
Sanji's not gonna fight this year since we only have 2-3 chapters left in the year. Year of Sanji does not mean year of Sanji fighting people. We started the year learning about Sanji's heritage, and then we met his family and his past was revealed. So far Sanji has been the crux of this arc, and that definitely makes it his year. Him defeating a family member at the end would add a cool finish, but to me the Year of Sanji has served its purpose quite well.
@Kaido:
Sanji's not gonna fight this year since we only have 2-3 chapters left in the year. Year of Sanji does not mean year of Sanji fighting people. We started the year learning about Sanji's heritage, and then we met his family and his past was revealed. So far Sanji has been the crux of this arc, and that definitely makes it his arc. Him defeating a family member at the end would add a cool finish, but to me the Year of Sanji has served its purpose quite well.
Oh if he doesnt give sanji any agency or his family's defeat, I'd be pissed off. Almost as pissed off as when Id be ,as someone in the reddit announcement suggested, if jinbe will end up joining at a later arc lol
I find one of the key themes of this arc, sanji proving himself superior to his family who sees him as trash and him ending up with a higher self esteem out of it. Him doing nothingto prove that undercuts oda's themes
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@Kaido:
Sanji's not gonna fight this year since we only have 2-3 chapters left in the year. Year of Sanji does not mean year of Sanji fighting people. We started the year learning about Sanji's heritage, and then we met his family and his past was revealed. So far Sanji has been the crux of this arc, and that definitely makes it his year. Him defeating a family member at the end would add a cool finish, but to me the Year of Sanji has served its purpose quite well.
I never took it as 2016 being a year of Sanji, but Sanji being in the spotlight for a period of a year.
It's not much of a year of Sanji if he's just being a damsel in distress most of the time. Readers are expecting him to kick ass by the end of this arc, and rightly so. Not to mention like 90% of all conflicts in OP are resolved with fights.
Why is everyone assuming all these plotlines will be resolved within this arc? The only thing that definitely needs to happen is closure with Germa 66.
Big Mom and her crew can wait. This arc has only been an introduction to them similar to what we saw with Kaido's crew in the previous arcs.
Caesar was given a 2 week deadline so he may be stuck with Big Mom for a while since the Straw Hats will be gone by tomorrow.
I can't see Jinbe joining until after Luffy has claimed Fishman Island which can't happen until after Luffy defeats Big Mom. I think he's stuck in whatever current situation he's in until then. I'm sure this'll piss a lot of people off but the lack of focus on him, his crew, and his island tells me this isn't his joining arc.
@Kaido:
Sanji's not gonna fight this year since we only have 2-3 chapters left in the year.
Didn't Sanji fought Judge?
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I can't see Jinbe joining until after Luffy has claimed Fishman Island which can't happen until after Luffy defeats Big Mom. I think he's stuck in whatever current situation he's in until then. I'm sure this'll piss a lot of people off but the lack of focus on him, his crew, and his island tells me this isn't his joining arc.
Apparently all he needed it was his crew's approval and cutting ties with BM. Which is what he already did it. (The second point still needs to be confirmed it.)
Apparently all he needed it was his crew's approval and cutting ties with BM. Which is what he already did it. (The second point still needs to be confirmed it.)
Big Mom isn't allowing this though. I just can't see him properly joining until this matter is resolved. The Fishman Island plotline feels so far removed from the rest of the stuff going on in this arc.
Joining in the Totland is fun train! (Though I also liked Dressrosa when we were only 20 chapters in, to be fair.)
One minor thing, I don't think that Lola's wedding will be wrapped up completely this arc, though. And with this I especially mean that the suitor high likely might not get revealed that soon. Considering this is a good question to keep unanswered for years, I would be really surprised if it gets revealed somewhat soon. Especially considering #1 Big mom will not fall here and #2 this wedding was supposed to be a VEEERY big thing, I'd say it will revealed later - maybe when we actually meet the suitor (related to Elbaf???) himself.
The problem with the idea that Big Mom can wait is that I can't see the story backtracking to Whole Cake. It just makes for awkward narrative pacing. Now, and only now is when the stakes can be raised the highest for the most compelling story with Big Mom we can get. Coming back with the whole crew might be cool, but it's not going to be anywhere as interesting as this arc has been with the whole espionage and trap setup. And Brook himself confirms that there's no way they would have gotten so far if all of them had come together. And Kaido's been built up plenty more than Big Mom, so going back to Linlin after he's dealt with would just feel underwhelming. As if it's a sideshow the Straw Hats have to get over with rather than a progressive hype train that keeps getting bigger and bigger like the story did pre-timeskip and has been doing again since Fishman Island. The Big Mom Pirates portrayal in this arc is substantially more in-depth than Jack's crew in Zou ever was by only appearing in a flashback and then getting swatted away Team Rocket style, so we're past intimidating faction teasing and are right in the thick of it.
And I wouldn't count out Jimbei yet. Oda kept him relevant in cover stories and built up his arrival in Whole Cake for something significant. I can't see us backtracking to Whole Cake after Wano just to get Jimbei when we should have gotten him in the first run when building up allies to take down Kaido. But then again, I never expected Luffy to ever defeat Big Mom in the first place within One Piece's overall narrative (in fact, I kind of expect them to get along somewhat at the end of the arc), which makes this return idea even more baffling to me. Like Kage said, Jimbei already tried cutting ties. Waiting a couple more arcs to get a resolution to that is just dragging things out way too much at this point.
Caesar's two week deadline was always a tidbit interesting though. Maybe he might actually stay there after the arc ends until a cover story or something. I have no idea since he's the real wild card in all of this.