No Lost Children Arc - removes some key character conflict Guts goes through
No Susumu Hirasawa
Awful cgi
What is the point of watching this ?
No Lost Children Arc - removes some key character conflict Guts goes through
No Susumu Hirasawa
Awful cgi
What is the point of watching this ?
That CGI felt like a 2000's CGI cartoon, it really kept throwing me off even though the atmosphere was there.
Just finished the episode and saw the preview for the next and it seems like they are definitely skipping Lost Children arc…..... I don't know how to do feel about this anime right now...
An absolute mess that shouldn't be defended by anyone
No Lost Children Arc - removes some key character conflict Guts goes through
No Susumu Hirasawa
Awful cgiWhat is the point of watching this ?
saddened to see one of my favorite epic fantasy series of all time just get completely butchered by this anime. The animation look godawful, and probably did this to save money. The animation in the movie is way superior, and I realize people have mixed feelings about the 3d characters, but you really get used to it and they were done well. Everything else that wasn't 3d was superb animation that can't be denied.
But now we get this entire mess. And was so excited to see one of my favorite manga series which is almost a master piece in its complexity, epic/grand scale, and rich characters turn into this mess.
And didnt Guts fight Azan and the jabronie knights after the fight vs Rosine?
Guts is gonna look weak if Azan beats him..
I tried to cast away my CGI prejudices and hoped they would do at least some justice for my all time favorite manga series…but what is this I don't even know.
Perhaps its true that some books are never meant to be made movies and some manga is never made to be anime...
I don't think I can find single redeeming thing about this episode... even VA were nothing I imagined (except Gutts). What the hell was that blue haired flying small thing surely it wasn't Puck? I think I will just pretend that this adaption does not even exist and draw my Berserk kicks from manga only.
Jeez, the animation makes RWBY look like a Pixar project.
I'm sorry but that was absolute garbage. The CGI is is trash and they're skipping stuff. The direction was horrible & the music was implemented poorly. Why the hell is Casca white? What a mess. @Wagomu:
I hope we can get one more do over with the better people at Madhouse at the helm or something.
Why Madhouse? I feel like Wit Studio would be better. They're great at mixing traditional animation with CGI.
Because Madhouse is probably the only studio that can adapt a SEINEN series properly?(OPM, Parasyte).
I just noticed the ones doing Berserk is the same one that did TERRA FORMARS REVENGE lol.
Some series should just stay as a manga.
Because Madhouse is probably the only studio that can adapt a SEINEN series properly?(OPM, Parasyte).
I just noticed the ones doing Berserk is the same one that did TERRA FORMARS REVENGE lol.
Those two were disappointing adaptations, talk about Monster, Kaiji, Texhnolyze, Paranoia Agent, Nana, The Tatami Galaxy, Kaiba and Dennou Coil instead, their best anime series.
I'm an eternal optimist and incredibly bias when it comes to anything Berserk related, so i'm not ready to rubish the series just yet. It is difficult to defend some of what has been done in this adaption, but ulitmately I was entertained.
I think any adaption of such a classic carries a huge weight. The first episode was a bit of a mishmash of the black swordsman, lost children and iron-chain knights arc, but i'm hoping the pacing will resolve itself once we start following the manga chronology more closey.
Finger crossed!! I really want this series to do well so we get more!
I started rereading berserk a few weeks ago and watching this was a really jarring experience.
And really, with these changes next episodes will suffer quite a bit. Not seeing Guts focusing on his revenge will take a lot away from the conviction arc.
Nitpicks: There is no way a perfectly healthy guts loses against the holy chain knights next episode. Isidro appearing so soon suggests we aren't seeing anything about the kushan invasion, his thief live and that he will have know guts for as long as puck. In the preview we can see the count's behelit which guts carries along, this could be confusing for the watcher since it has not been explained what an apostle is. Heck we won't see guts killing any apostle. And lastly, we miss on guts sword and cannon/bow origin though I don't remember if this was addressed in the movie.
How is it so hard to do a faithful Berserk adaptation that doesn't look like wet farts?
I just don't understand.
Some series should just stay as a manga.
Those two were disappointing adaptations, talk about Monster, Kaiji, Texhnolyze, Paranoia Agent, Nana, The Tatami Galaxy, Kaiba and Dennou Coil instead, their best anime series.
did you not enjoy the golden age movies.
Monster was a bit dragged out during the midway point, manga have the advantage of always been better.
I didn't watch the parasyste anime, but I read the manga a while back. madhouse is a superb studio, and saw nothing wrong with the animation of parasyte, and even OPM had terrific animation sequences.
Why is Casca white…
Madhouse did the original anime so why not have them pick the series back up? Just do some OVAs to cover an arc then break for new content rinse and repeat. I honestly haven't been to keen to watch any of the newer animation stuff with CGI as it just all sounds cheesy.
I thought Madhouse closed down?
I think I'd rather have nothing than this.
@loneassassin:
I thought Madhouse closed down?
No they are still a very active studio
Have they mentioned how many episodes this series will be?
They're active but are not the same since it's founders left to create Mappa, Kon has died and Yuasa has left.
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did you not enjoy the golden age movies.
Monster was a bit dragged out during the midway point, manga have the advantage of always been better.
I didn't watch the parasyste anime, but I read the manga a while back. madhouse is a superb studio, and saw nothing wrong with the animation of parasyte, and even OPM had terrific animation sequences.
Parasyte didn't have good directing, vastly prefer the manga to the anime. OPM is an alright series to me, Monster did drag but it didn't bother me since I was so absorbed in the mystery of the series. They also done the first season of LOGH.
I found the Monster adaptation one of the nost faithful adaptation I have seen. To the point that it actually competed with the manga. And I'm really not that into anime, yeah I enjoy it, but I'd rather read 5-10 chapters in those 20 minutes., Although, as I grew older I stopped putting my perceptions into whatever adaptation I was seeing. I still laugh at and critic them, like with Toriko's anime final arc, but not in a: "that isn't what happened!!" More like: "why did they change/downplay this charcater's role and how did it make the story better/worse"
TL;DR: I stopped expecting adaptations to follow what I want and try and critize it as it were the original source. Not saying everything is right, but not downgrading a show because my favourite pet character wasn't there
Seems fine to me. Will keep watching. We already knew they were skipping the Lost Children arc so I don't know why people are complaining about it. It'll probably be adapted into a movie sometime down the road.
the animation is iffy and it's leagues behind TMNT 2012 and clone wars but ill continue to see it, because damn it i like berserk.
the animation is iffy and it's leagues behind TMNT 2012 and clone wars but ill continue to see it, because damn it i like berserk.
Japanese CGI isn't as good as Western CGI.
not necessarily true, i thought one piece straw hat chase was a great 3d movie. im sure there other 3d stuff out there from japan that could be good.
this company however doesn't do a very good job in its animation, the characters move so stiffly and lack fluidity.
That's a general problem with anime CG. Expelled from Paradise would've looked great weren't it for some of the techniques (like skipping frames) they're using. I don't know why they are continuing to use these techniques and why they think it looks good. Knights Of Sidonia was like that, too and people did 60 FPS edits for it and it looked completely fine. I'm not so informed about it, either.
the animation is iffy and it's leagues behind TMNT 2012 and clone wars but ill continue to see it, because damn it i like berserk.
TMNT 2012's animation isn't anything spectacular especially since it's television CG which generally always looks weaker by
comparison to movie CG.
The CGI doesn't fit well at all, sucks the story is always butchered in the anime. Just hope they made the fights they decide to show worth while. The character interactions in the first episode seem…akward
Seems fine to me. Will keep watching. We already knew they were skipping the Lost Children arc so I don't know why people are complaining about it. It'll probably be adapted into a movie sometime down the road.
To be honest if they would have done the entire Black Swordsman arc up to the Count there would be a lot less people complaining. However, when you get rid of the two big arcs where Guts finds something to live for other than just pure anger and revenge and just go into Conviction you are both pissing off the fans who want to see a somewhat faithful anime and shortchanging the new fans who more than likely won't even bother reading the manga because they only want to see the show.
So they decided to put in some cgi computer effects instead of the usual drawn style. My only question is.
WHY?
Is the new anime a reboot or a sequel ?
Sequel to the movies.
To be honest if they would have done the entire Black Swordsman arc up to the Count there would be a lot less people complaining. However, when you get rid of the two big arcs where Guts finds something to live for other than just pure anger and revenge and just go into Conviction you are both pissing off the fans who want to see a somewhat faithful anime and shortchanging the new fans who more than likely won't even bother reading the manga because they only want to see the show.
That's exactly who this anime is geared towards, and that's why as manga reader it doesn't bother me. This anime is for people who became invested in the series through the movies. They could, and probably will go back and animate Black Swordsman and Lost Children arcs as their own standalone movies at some point in the future.
only berserk anime i will acknowledge is the 1997 one, it's actually the best and most faithful one. best introduction to the series after the manga.
i petty the people who got into the series through the movies, berserk's best arc was ruined for them by those cgi crapfests.
only berserk anime i will acknowledge is the 1997 one, it's actually the best and most faithful one. best introduction to the series after the manga.
i petty the people who got into the series through the movies, berserk's best arc was ruined for them by those cgi crapfests.
Don't bother pitying me for getting into it through the movies. They are what prompted me to purchase all 37 volums and the original anime. :happy:
Parasyte didn't have good directing, vastly prefer the manga to the anime. OPM is an alright series to me, Monster did drag but it didn't bother me since I was so absorbed in the mystery of the series. They also done the first season of LOGH.
I prefer the manga too. I dont bother with anime unless i't really well animated. PM is an alright series indeed, but saying that says absolutely nothing about the animation. The animation is done well. MAdhouse is a higly reputed studio and they have their talent down and their craft.
yeah, Japanese cgi isn't as good. Probably because 2d artwork is a tradition there, as opposed to in america where CGI is the tradition. With that said there is exception to both sides.
Or because, you know, they don't throw the same ammount of budget into it.
American animated feature films cost 200 million to make and spend three to six years in production. TV series generally do it for far less than a million per episode and in under a year for 22-26 episodes. (Ninja Turtles is actually a fairly high budget show). Avatar and Korra were regularly touted at a million per episode, but an average anime is made for about a tenth of that. (Hard numbers are hard to find since studios keep numbers secret, but we have a rough idea.)
Even the Ghibli films, the most expensive gorgeous looking anime films there are, top out at around 20 million. Some stuff like Ghost in the Shell or Yamato 2199 have a slightly higher budget, but still nothing really compared to an average american production.
And that is of course ignoring all the low budget american CGI like Jane and the Dragon or Mike the Knight. Its NOT that "american CG is better", as an inherent rule, it just has more money thrown at it generally.
The all CGI Harlock movie looked pretty great. Or heck, look at the CGI in the Final Fantasy games.
It's time and budget, pure and simple, not simply one industry being better than the other.
It's time and budget, pure and simple, not simply one industry being better than the other.
If time & budget are the sole reasons for American CGI looking so good, then why do Japanese cartoons look much better than American cartoons when American cartoons cost more & have a much longer production time? The only exceptions to this that I can remember are the Disney films. The cartoons that do look great are often animated by Asian studios. The way I've always looked at it, is that America specialises in CGI while Japan specialises in traditional animation.
If time & budget are the sole reasons for American CGI looking so good, then why do Japanese cartoons look much better than American cartoons when American cartoons cost more & have a much longer production time? The only exceptions to this that I can remember are the Disney films. The cartoons that do look great are often animated by Asian studios. The way I've always looked at it, is that America specialises in CGI while Japan specialises in traditional animation.
There's a huge essay in there, but mostly it comes down to history.
Because animation (and comic books) weren't treated as a ghetto piece of children's trash for decades in Japan, so they got a wide variety of subject matter and stuff geared towards adults, so it could be treated seriously as an art form… while the US suffered under the comics code and censorship laws. So we had Hanna Barbera, they had Osamu Tezuka. While we were getting Harlem Globetrotters and Scooby Doo and ROcky & Bullwinkle, they were getting Starblazers and Macross. When we were getting Care Bears and Rainbow Bright, they were getting Dragonball and Fist of the North Star.
(If Walt Disney had lived another 20 years, things might be different today.)
American animation SUCKED up through the 70's. The 80's were good toy commercials, but the actual animation was still pretty bad. 90's was pretty much the peak when story and animation gelled into an actual good product.
Aside from that, anime has developed a ton of shortcuts to hide their lower budget. Lip flaps, close ups on eyes, back of head shots, scenery pans, having clouds move in the back behind an otherwise static image, etc. And they emphasized background details and storytelling. While it may look better on a frame by frame basis, generally anime is actually pretty stilted looking with super low frame rates. They'll throw money at a fight scene, but talking scenes will look like crap. If you actually study anime, really look at it, it's going to tend to have long visually boring stretches where characters aren't moving much at all. But they've gotten SO good at editing and hiding it, you barely notice it... but there's usually not actually much animation in your average anime at all.
American stuff meanwhile goes for a full 24 frames per second and tends to have much more natural movement and lip flaps, where characters will actually talk, rather than repeat three frames a bunch while standing still.
It's not an absolute and will vary from project to project, because of course there's FLCL and Cowboy Bebop and One Punch Man... but the US has Batman and Gargoyles and Young Justice.
There's good and bad projects on both sides. Both sides have talented artists, the difference really is mostly overall attitudes towards the medium, and how much time and money is actually put into them.
I mean, for proof on the budget thing, look at the quality of Aladdin... then compare it to Return of Jafar or Aladdin the TV series. Nowhere near as good, right? Take a look the early episodes of Evangelion, and compare them to the later ones when they ran out of money and you have literal 3 minute sequences of still frames... and then compare that to movies. But the same people, same company, and the same culture working on it. It's pure time and budget.
Video comparisons
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Completely random arbitrary clip of One Piece, first one I found that wasn't an opening.
The first TEN SECONDS are a still frame background, with two frames of moving water.
One second of Usopp and Luffy walking, no lip flaps.
Four second still frame pan of a background.
Giant walks into frame, and then has three lip flaps for five seconds. The choppiness of him entering frame is disguised by the sound effects, but it takes nothing to get him on there.
Five seconds of still frame of silhouettes.
One second of Usopp going "woooow" with minimal stars in eyes animation.
Twelve seconds with a little bit of animation with some talking (three lip flaps per character) and back patting.
And so on. Completey random arbitrary clip chosen at random, but that's completely normal. The sound effects, dialogue and talking tend to hide it, but its honestly cheap and not that good at all, and NOT very animated. And its not that OP is a terrible anime or an awful example, most animes have those exact same extremes, unless they're a extremely limited short series or an OVA.
ANd for a clip intentionally chosen…
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All the action shots are fluid and have money thrown at them and lots of frames. That was an episode they threw a ton o money and time at to look good. But then it cuts to reaction face shots, and the faces are all perfectly still, and just moving their mouth for two frames. Or sometimes with the mouth wide open while getting inner thoughts. But it cuts back and forth so much its hard to notice when you're caught in the moment.
Meanwhile, look at this nonsense animated in freaking Flash.
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Basically, most of the time, anime doesn't actually have better animation at all. It has better still frames and editing that hide how bad the animation is… and the general attitude towards storytelling in general is different so its more willing to breathe and be slice of life or have super detailed backgrounds.... but that's direction, not animation.
Does someone have a Holy Grenade?
Now, that's religion.
First spin-zaku now spin-usagi.
The bunny memes are hilarious.