Pedro looks exactly like Sanji except he's a lion.
Get on the Jinbe bus, or get off kids.
Pedro looks exactly like Sanji except he's a lion.
Get on the Jinbe bus, or get off kids.
Pedro looks exactly like Sanji except he's a lion.
Get on the Jinbe bus, or get off kids.
Weren't you in the Perona faction lol
Hooray!
If Jinbe's dream is to mend human and Fishman relationships, the question is how?
Nah that AGOG.
I was rooting for Hancock, but that never happened. I fought and I lost.
If Jinbei creates a limb made out of water, that would be dope.
But I don't think he'll lose a body part. Unless Oda is going to continue the dismemberment theme he started in Dressrosa.
Hooray!
If Jinbe's dream is to mend human and Fishman relationships, the question is how?
Refer to RomanceDawn's post and Jinbe himself speech this very chapter. The reader knows and understands that Luffy and Crew's adventures as Pirates will change the world even more so than Roger's did apparently and Jinbe also knows this so whatever happens to him while on his travels with Luffy and co will hopefully inspire future generations of Fishman-Human relations.
It's basically Jinbe's entire plan to stop Hody and his goons on Fishman Island by using Luffy's image as "hero" in the Citizens eyes and their alliance as human and Fishman to inspire the coexistence , except on a way grander scale. As tales will be told about Jinbe the former Shichibukai who was the sole Fishman on the Pirate King's crew.
Simple and straight forward, Oda has told us at least three separate times through the Fisher Tiger and Otohime flashback, randomly reminded of Jinbe's dream by Hack on Dressrosa and basically again by Jinbe himself to his crew.
I don't see how Jinbe being on the future Pirate King's crew equals better relationship between human and Fishman. The dream as worded seems too dependent on Luffy's status and not Jinbe himself.
Nobody else's dream is directly correlated I think to Luffy being the Pirate King…the dream just doesn't seem....selfish enough.
Hooray!
If Jinbe's dream is to mend human and Fishman relationships, the question is how?
Does the words Hero and Hat rings any bells?
Well, knowing now that Jimbe is a fanboy as much as Barto and a former Shichibukai, I am sure news of Luffy's accomplishments are known to him. Yes in a personal view, he was saving a brother, or friend. But when you put the world context to it, storming three of the highest government facilities is pretty much a war cry towards the government. I am sure Hachi told him how he beat up a Tenryubitto for his sake, and his overall demeanor during the auction house. I think it is safe to assume that as Luffy progresses through his journey, and like Jimbe said not any of the Yonkou but Luffy, becomes pirate king, the attention on Luffy will be gigantic unlike for most part of the story. The government tried to keep his actions under wraps, Jimbe knows that the time for them to fully recognize and hunt the Straw Hat crew is coming close.
In short: Becoming pirate king might not help at all with Jimbe dreams, however given that the captain he is choosing is Luffy, then it is probable that as Luffy continues his quest he will keep unsettling the current world's order, which includes discrimination and segregation of fishmen, and other species.
The fact Jinbe's dream isn't selfish enough fits his character to a tee btw.
True. Jinbe seems to put everyone else 1st. But the Sun Pirates are encouraging Jinbe to actually be a little selfish for a change.
And I just think that Jinbe should achieve his dream himself, not because Luffy did it for him in a sense. Why does Jinbe even need to go with the Strawhats if Luffy is going to achieve said better human/Fishman relationships with Luffy's future actions?
I don't see how Jinbe being on the future Pirate King's crew equals better relationship between human and Fishman. The dream as worded seems too dependent on Luffy's status and not Jinbe himself.
Nobody else's dream is directly correlated I think to Luffy being the Pirate King...the dream just doesn't seem….selfish enough.
The fact Jinbe's dream isn't selfish enough fits his character to a tee btw.
What Blowfish said. Sounds like you understand Jinbe really well, hahaha.
At this point in the story think about how members of the crew understand that Luffy's dream is the key to accomplishing their own. Think back to Zoro's words with Kuma. Something along the lines of "If I can't protect my captains dream, then mine is all talk." Remember Robin talking to Gladius about Luffy being the trump card? Luffy has had major influence just about everywhere he has gone in the world, so Jinbe understands that by supporting someone like Luffy who is a winning horse, he has an even better chance of accomplishing his near impossible dream. Kind of like Robin. She completely gave up on her dreams twice since we met her but now she understands full well that its because of Luffy she has a true chance of accomplishing her near impossible dream. Right?
True. Jinbe seems to put everyone else 1st. But the Sun Pirates are encouraging Jinbe to actually be a little selfish for a change.
And I just think that Jinbe should achieve his dream himself, not because Luffy did it for him in a sense. Why does Jinbe even need to go with the Strawhats if Luffy is going to achieve said better human/Fishman relationships with Luffy's future actions?
Jinbe has seen a big part of the world and knows that he can't do these things himself. I mean think back, even as a War Lord Jinbe couldn't protect Fishman Island. The weight of White Beard's name alone is what kept Fishman Island stable. Jinbe couldn't keep Ace from White Beard and he couldn't keep Luffy from taking a devastating hit from Akainu.
Jinbe tried to work within the system of the law to bridge the gap between race relations and it didn't get him anywhere.
Jinbe understands that what is needed is physical power to over throw the established system. Physical Power that he does not have on his own, physical power from a guy who's not afraid to touch the most untouchable people on earth, who is also morally sound.
I mean it's because of Luffy and the rest of the crew that the world order will be turned upside down but Jinbe has an actual stake in how different races treat each other. Jinbe probably has his own idea about how he can spread his message while traveling with the crew. Something that would be largely ignored by the rest of the crew. Again like Blowfish said, Fishman Island on a larger scale. The outcome of the Straw Hat's antics would have been the same but Jinbe was able to guide the message with a little planning.
I mean I guess Jinbe could travel around giving seminars and such but as a lone criminal what can he do alone? If he can't stand up to admirals then I certainly doubt anyone in his crew could.
And I just think that Jinbe should achieve his dream himself, not because Luffy did it for him in a sense. Why does Jinbe even need to go with the Strawhats if Luffy is going to achieve said better human/Fishman relationships with Luffy's future actions?
Why did Franky even need to go when his dream was just to build the boat?
Ever since I started watching this series I had the feeling one of the Shichibukai would eventually join Luffy, so yeah, I'm like really really hyped right know.
I don't see how Jinbe being on the future Pirate King's crew equals better relationship between human and Fishman.
Because its a living symbol of unity and friendship between two races with a bad history.
Obama being elected president of the US didn't in of itself create better relationships between whites and blacks in the US obviously, but this really powerful black guy leading the US just for the fact of it has created lots of good things mentally for people. Inspiration and all that.
Why are you comparing the president of the United states with a fictional king of criminals?
Why are you comparing the president of the United states with a fictional king of criminals?
Because of the point I explained in the post.
@Monkey:
Because of the point I explained in the post.
But the comparison still makes no sense. The president of the US was voted by normal people and is a respected personality with lots of influence. Pirates are criminals who are feared by the normal people. There are a lot of criminals in the one piece world who work together with merfolk and fishpeople, and it has never helped their reputation, because, as I said, they are criminals.
The only thing helping the fishpeople and merfolk to be accepted by commoners and plebs is Neptune's participation at reverie to get recognition by actual world leaders.
But the comparison still makes no sense. The president of the US was voted by normal people and is a respected personality with lots of influence. Pirates are criminals who are feared by the normal people. There are a lot of criminals in the one piece world who work together with merfolk and fishpeople, and it has never helped their reputation, because, as I said, they are criminals.
The only thing helping the fishpeople and merfolk to be accepted by commoners and plebs is Neptune's participation at reverie to get recognition by actual world leaders.
How many people that meet the Straw Hats actually fear them though? Most islands are welcoming to pirates in general, it's become the norm. Water 7 is super casual about it, Sabaody has them all over the place, Dressrosa grants immunity to criminals in the Colosseum. And these are islands with ties to the World Government!
We've seen how Luffy's involvement on Fishman Island has spun a positive perspective on the human race for fishmen. Now it's Jinbe's turn to show humans how kind the fishmen can be - someone who's diplomatic and not violent like Tiger or Arlong. This is shown in Jinbe's coverstory where he mediates between the humans and sea beasts. They threw a party for him and the kids played on him. As Otohime said, "The children are watching." By actually being involved in their lives, Jinbe can make a difference like he and Tiger did for Koala. Neptune's involvement in the Reverie is important as far as politics go, but the average Joe Schmo isn't gonna care about that. He needs to see for himself that fishmen can be trusted.
People just don't wanna take Jinbe's dream or his words at face value. Not every dream from new crewmates was gonna be a variation of Luffy and Zoro's "I wanna be the best ever" dream.
Once Brook joined under the pretense of reuniting with an old friend and play this recording of my fallen crewmates we should've known that the next crewmates dreams moving forward may range from alittle less personal or more practical than creating a Map of the world, curing all sickness, finding a lost history etc.
Sanji's dream is to find a sea where all fish from the various Blues of the world meet. He doesn't need to be with Luffy for that either, neither does Zoro need to travel with Luffy to become the Best Swordsmen. Mihawk seemed to make it work without joining anyone. Hell, Ussop's dream seems to evolve every time he gets development. Variety is not a bad thing is all I'm saying.
Jinbe's dream is hoping his adventures with Luffy and crew will inspire future generations of Fishmen and humans to embrace and understand eachother. It's that simple.
The thing is, The Straw Hat Pirates are better than any political figure in the world for this kind of job. Period.
But the comparison still makes no sense. The president of the US was voted by normal people and is a respected personality with lots of influence. Pirates are criminals who are feared by the normal people.
Fishmen do not have a negative view of Jimbei at all whatsoever. In fact he seems to be essentially the champion of the whole race.
Also you're operating under an amazingly short term manner of thinking.
Do you actually think that after the quest and final battles are done, that the world will still have a negative view of Luffy and pirates similar to him?
People just don't wanna take Jinbe's dream or his words at face value. Not every dream from new crewmates was gonna be a variation of Luffy and Zoro's "I wanna be the best ever" dream.
Once Brook joined under the pretense of reuniting with an old friend and play this recording of my fallen crewmates we should've known that the next crewmates dreams moving forward may range from alittle less personal or more practical than creating a Map of the world, curing all sickness, finding a lost history etc.
Sanji's dream is to find a sea where all fish from the various Blues of the world meet. He doesn't need to be with Luffy for that either, neither does Zoro need to travel with Luffy to become the Best Swordsmen. Mihawk seemed to make it work without joining anyone. Hell, Ussop's dream seems to evolve every time he gets development. Variety is not a bad thing is all I'm saying.
Jinbe's dream is hoping his adventures with Luffy and crew will inspire future generations of Fishmen and humans to embrace and understand eachother. It's that simple.
You took the words right out of my (and most likely RomanceDawn's) mouth. The fact that Jinbei's dream is to be the bridge that helps connect human and fishman relations to form co-existence shows how selfless he is, which fits his character to a tee. It's why I love this fish.
A month and a week ago we saw Aladine below the Sunny. That moment we knew that Jimbei has a plan to leave Big Mom. So, how will he stage it? Man, this is more important for me right now than the person on the shore waiting for the Strawhats.
Jinbe can talk to laboon for brook so that is a good enough reason for him to join right there whale translator lol.
A month and a week ago we saw Aladine below the Sunny. That moment we knew that Jimbei has a plan to leave Big Mom. So, how will he stage it? Man, this is more important for me right now than the person on the shore waiting for the Strawhats.
The real question here is, what's the name of the plan?:ninja:
@sanji''s_dad:
Jinbe can talk to laboon for brook so that is a good enough reason for him to join right there whale translator lol.
I think that's Neptune's specialty actually. Talking to whales that is. And just so we don't get into another hairless mink aint a reptile type of debate, Whale Sharks have whale in the name but they are still fish. ;)
Of course being an animal of the sea I could see Jinbe developing that skill later on if he doesn't have it, but since whales are mammals maybe Chopper already has that covered.
Why did Franky even need to go when his dream was just to build the boat?
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To maintain and repair the ship so that it doesn't sink. Doing so helps the chances it reaches the end of the sea therefore it stays his dream ship. Plus part of his dream was to be on the dream ship.
So apply the exact same logic to Jinbe travelling with the Pirate King rather than just seeing him off at some point and having a vague association with him.
Hey want to see something funny from 2010?
Flag1982 says
lol
You people are as dumb as shit. I'm not even being sarcastic.
This is insane. It's like you read this manga upside down.
You think a powerhouse like a Shichibukai is gonna join the crew. Fine. I suppose you are entitled to your opinion even though it flies in the face of all logic but you are setting yourselves up for a major disappointment.
brennexe, you're grasping at straws like I've never seen anyone does. I believe you're an intelligent guy and that you know One Piece pretty well.
I cannot believe you actually believe the things you write in favor of Jimbei joining.You cannot seriously believe that Luffy, Zorro or Snaji are going to surpass Hancock and Jimbei soon.
And if Jimbei joins wouldn't he just continue his growth alongside the strawhats ?
They'd never even catch up to the guy let alone surpass him.I'm well aware of what you're referring to. But those are not nearly as strong arguments as you seem to think they are. Jimbei has this running gag about sacrificing his life and he's a fishman. Yeah he's been developed a little by Oda. Sure. So has Hancock. It's nice they have an interesting background and running gags but then again they happen to be Luffy's allied in this war. Didi you expect anything else for Warlord allies of Luffy ?
Hancock didn't kick Sentomaru'ass. Sentomaru didn't dominate Luffy ?
See ? You cannot argue in good faith.I really feel sorry for you people. I really do.
March 10th, 2010
I'd love a "Where Are They Now?" topic from the extreme Jinbe haters.
For I time I didn't believe he was joining and surely didn't want him to join, but I was never like that, hahaha.
I'd love a "Where Are They Now?" topic from the extreme Jinbe haters.
AlmostLegendary was captured on April 1 in a small Brazilian fishing village where he was making a living as a back-alley surgeon. He was to be brought before a tribunal in General Discussion to answer questions about the allegations of war crimes committed in the name of "Caribou For Nakama" or "CFN".
AlmostLegendary never got to stand trial, however, as he was killed in Other Manga/Anime en route to court. The circumstances surrounding his death are murky, but consensus among most historians is that one of his guards, Robby "Bedfart" Bevard, murdered him.
Legend has it that his final act was writing a screed on how Rurouni Kenshin stopped being worth watching after Shishio died.
Ow my sides!
Do some more!
Hey want to see something funny from 2010?
Would I? Sure.
Flag1982 says
You people are as dumb as shit. I'm not even being sarcastic.
This is insane. It's like you read this manga upside down.
Actually, I'm a sane man who reads manga right side up. Now who's the dumb shit again?
You think a powerhouse like a Shichibukai is gonna join the crew. Fine. I suppose you are entitled to your opinion even though it flies in the face of all logic but you are setting yourselves up for a major disappointment.
At this point in the story, the Shichibukai are cakewalk and hardly a powerhouse anymore. Luffy has earned the right to have one in his crew.
You cannot seriously believe that Luffy, Zorro or Snaji are going to surpass Hancock and Jimbei soon.
Luffy definitely will. Zorro is from a different series and who the hell is Snaji?! Have we really been reading the same manga series?!
And if Jimbei joins wouldn't he just continue his growth alongside the strawhats ?
They'd never even catch up to the guy let alone surpass him.
Jinbei has reached the maximum potential of his skills. There's nothing for him to improve on, while the rest of the SHs have plenty of room for skill growth.
Also… don't tell me that he can overpower a Luffy who is faster than a jet and has power equal to a trillion baseball bats swung all at once.
I'm well aware of what you're referring to. But those are not nearly as strong arguments as you seem to think they are. Jimbei has this running gag about sacrificing his life and he's a fishman. Yeah he's been developed a little by Oda. Sure. So has Hancock. It's nice they have an interesting background and running gags but then again they happen to be Luffy's allied in this war. Didi you expect anything else for Warlord allies of Luffy ?
Hancock, I didn't expect much. But you honestly didn't pay attention to Jinbei's relationship towards Ace, Whitebeard and his crew, and the growing relationship between him and Luffy?
Plus, he doesn't only have one gag…
Hancock didn't kick Sentomaru'ass. Sentomaru didn't dominate Luffy ?
See ? You cannot argue in good faith.
What the hell does this mean? Nothing.
I really feel sorry for you people. I really do.
It should be me who feels sorry for you, Flag1982. Not.
March 10th, 2010
I'd love a "Where Are They Now?" topic from the extreme Jinbe haters.
Most likely in The Void either having a cup of tea with Exdeath, or going mad from the solitude.
Jinbei fans, unite!
Back in the day when mangastream still had forums, those NN convos used to get pretty heated where Jinbe was concerned. I mean we've had our battles here too with guys like Superbear wherever he is these days, but oh man people flatout hated Jinbe on that forum and the bulk of the "he'll die" theories I read came from there.
Jinbe just always seemed way too close to Luffy and his problems to just be a side character or ally. It was never played for laughs or mostly a one sided obsession like Hancock and Luffy's relationship was. This is what , the fourth arc he's a major player of since his official introduction at Impel Down? Dude needs to join the crew already.
That 2010 post put a lot in perspective, Ro. :happy:
@Cyan:
AlmostLegendary was captured on April 1 in a small Brazilian fishing village where he was making a living as a back-alley surgeon. He was to be brought before a tribunal in General Discussion to answer questions about the allegations of war crimes committed in the name of "Caribou For Nakama" or "CFN".
AlmostLegendary never got to stand trial, however, as he was killed in Other Manga/Anime en route to court. The circumstances surrounding his death are murky, but consensus among most historians is that one of his guards, Robby "Bedfart" Bevard, murdered him.
Legend has it that his final act was writing a screed on how Rurouni Kenshin stopped being worth watching after Shishio died.
Oh my ribs [emoji23]
@Cyan:
AlmostLegendary was captured on April 1 in a small Brazilian fishing village where he was making a living as a back-alley surgeon. He was to be brought before a tribunal in General Discussion to answer questions about the allegations of war crimes committed in the name of "Caribou For Nakama" or "CFN".
AlmostLegendary never got to stand trial, however, as he was killed in Other Manga/Anime en route to court. The circumstances surrounding his death are murky, but consensus among most historians is that one of his guards, Robby "Bedfart" Bevard, murdered him.
Legend has it that his final act was writing a screed on how Rurouni Kenshin stopped being worth watching after Shishio died.
You are a legend now for me
Moria as new nakama.
It's likely that the last nakama will join either with BM or Kaidou or he has no time for the fans to accept him as part of the crew if he joins after the first 2 yonkous fall. Like people still have problems with Jimbei or Brook lol.
And if Jimbei join from the BM arc, then it is unlikely that both last nakamas join from the same arc.
Moria is very very likely to show up in the kaidou arc, since they have a past.
Moria can also be San Juan Wolf's match from the BB pirates. Would be kinda sweet of a match with his shadows and all.
The most obvious reason as to why Moria will never join the crew is that he's a bad guy, and that he already wants to become Pirate King himself. Maybe a temporary ally, like Crocodile during the Impel Down/Marine Ford arc, but never a crew member.
The mere fact Moria's fracking name was even mentioned in here makes me never wanna post in this thread again….And that's saying something since Jinbe joining the crew has steamed up again.
@The:
At this point in the story, the Shichibukai are cakewalk and hardly a powerhouse anymore. Luffy has earned the right to have one in his crew.
Luffy definitely will. Zorro is from a different series and who the hell is Snaji?! Have we really been reading the same manga series?!
Jinbei has reached the maximum potential of his skills. There's nothing for him to improve on, while the rest of the SHs have plenty of room for skill growth. _Someone who gets it… No I do think Jinbe still has a bit room to improve but not in the slightest close to to the rest of the SHs... Especially the much younger ones as the monster trio... Luffy for sure is on his level already or above... And Zoro maybe as well and Sanji sooner or later will surpass him as well by a good margin.
Furthermore what I hate is this Shichibukai stuff... Shichibukai never meant that everyone is equal to the other... Luffy beat 2 of them PRE timeskip and that's it... Mihawk alone shows that there are different levels. But some people misinterpreted the Ace vs Jinbe and Luffy vs Jinbe fight a lot... Something which happened in the past with Franky as well.
That's why I hope Jinbe won't be crippled as well... he is absolutely good as he is and a strong fighter the SHs need for their future goals_
Debating if Jinbe joins during Marineford, Fishman Island or now are different things. The reasons going against Jinbe were always valid:
That's the main reasons used against Jinbe joining the crew beside the "he is too boring" and now none of these reasons are valid anymore. If anything, by not letting Jinbe joins the crew during Fishman Island, it's like Oda said "It's too soon for Jinbe to join", for all these reasons. In the end, no one was right or wrong, or more like, everyone was right about Jinbe. He was bound to join sooner or later because of "muh racism" and "muh diversity".
Debating if Jinbe joins during Marineford, Fishman Island or now are different things. The reasons going against Jinbe were always valid:
- He was too experienced compared to the rest of the crew
- He was too strong
- His bounty was too high
- He was captain of his own crew
That's the main reasons used against Jinbe joining the crew beside the "he is too boring" and now none of these reasons are valid anymore. If anything, by not letting Jinbe joins the crew during Fishman Island, it's like Oda said "It's too soon for Jinbe to join", for all these reasons. In the end, no one was right or wrong, or more like, everyone was right about Jinbe. He was bound to join sooner or later because of "muh racism" and "muh diversity".
How the heck weren't people right? seeing actual hints, instead of looking at a pair of boobs, and saying "boobs going to join". People gave valid story reasons which proved to play out mostly how people predicted for him to join, I don't see how that is being wrong. This isn't Hollywood, Oda characters are diverse, he wants a diverse cast, he isn't trying to fill any forced quota.
In terms of strength by the end of the series Jinbei should be the 4th stronest in the crew. He already peaked so he will remain the same. Sanji and Zoro should both be able to fight admirals by the end of the series(zoro will be a 50/50 to beat them while sanji will always lose to them but can fight/stall them). Jinbei is not strong enough to fight an admiral and i doubt he's ever going to reach that point.
- No one said he would join right away.
Why the lies? No one actually thought that Jinbe could join after Fishman Island before Jinbe refusing Luffy's request. The discussion have always been about Jinbe joining the crew at the end of the arc, because that seemed painfully obvious that the crew would recruit a fishman and that Jinbe would join during Fishman Island, period. And fact is, every reason going against Jinbe at the time were valid. Now, the crew got stronger, their bounties raised, they sailed the New World and are heading towards their first battle against a Yonko, and finally Jinbe left his crew. Every reason going against Jinbe aren't valid anymore.
Debating if Jinbe joins during Marineford, Fishman Island or now are different things. The reasons going against Jinbe were always valid:
- He was too experienced compared to the rest of the crew
- He was too strong
- His bounty was too high
- He was captain of his own crew
That's the main reasons used against Jinbe joining the crew beside the "he is too boring" and now none of these reasons are valid anymore. If anything, by not letting Jinbe joins the crew during Fishman Island, it's like Oda said "It's too soon for Jinbe to join", for all these reasons. In the end, no one was right or wrong, or more like, everyone was right about Jinbe. He was bound to join sooner or later because of "muh racism" and "muh diversity".
Eh, I don't think everybody is right just because his joining was delayed. I believe those reasons are invalid simply because they look at the story as a stationary thing.
He is too strong - so people believed that the crew would not grow in strength after realising their weakness? The strawhats were lucky because they were the only ones capable of focusing on their growth entirely for 2 years, without a care for the world, just the idea of getting stronger for the adventure.
He was too experienced - So was Robin when she joined, and the fact the Jimbe is experienced should be an asset really, giving that he is familiar with the New World. He also did his job as a crewmate in Fishman Island, he gave warnings to the crew and helped them catch up with current events.
He is a Warlord - Mmm, when we first see him it is in prison because he went against the government because of a principle, something that Luffy respected on the spot. He also quit during the war. It is because he was one, that his character development had halted, and right after he quits he becomes a Big Mom subordinate, again halting his character developmen. Now we are seeing how he grew as a character during those 2 years last chapter during his speech.
Bounty too high - again with the stationary plot, everyone on the crew is bound to have a bigger bounty than what they currently have. Even these are innacurate, the government valued Zoro at a bit higher than Luffy pre-war!! Luffy is a man worth more than he his at the moment, he is about to go whoop some Yonkou's ass. I do hope that the skill he uses involves devil fruit mastery + whatever stamina issues he has. If I see gear fourth, king kong gatling gun against a wall, with some added awakening so they don't blast way, well I don't know what I would do, maybe scream.
Captain of his own - Franky was also a leader, Ussop was the captain of the Ussop pirates, Ace was a captain, Brooke too. This point does not mean anything, they can quit their crew, disband, their crew is dead, the crew doesn't want to be pirates anymore(jimbe's case).
So yeah, those are reasons, but not necessarily good ones or better than the ones in favor of Jimbe.
Debating if Jinbe joins during Marineford, Fishman Island or now are different things. The reasons going against Jinbe were always valid:
- He was too experienced compared to the rest of the crew
- He was too strong
- His bounty was too high
- He was captain of his own crew
That's the main reasons used against Jinbe joining the crew beside the "he is too boring" and now none of these reasons are valid anymore. If anything, by not letting Jinbe joins the crew during Fishman Island, it's like Oda said "It's too soon for Jinbe to join", for all these reasons. In the end, no one was right or wrong, or more like, everyone was right about Jinbe. He was bound to join sooner or later because of "muh racism" and "muh diversity".
That nasty statement I quoted was way before Fishman island but people like Brennen gave super quality arguments that rang absolutely true for years to come. At the time the only Jinbe supporters around were saying that Jinbe would not join until Fishman Island concludes and Oda had dropped a massive bomb during a strong world interview. He said that would be Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old. The crew was already split up and the smartest amongst us realized a powered up time skip was on the way.
From that mean quote above, Flag1982 was responding to the fact that Brennen said things like, "Chances are after White Beard dies, Captain Ace could take over as Fishman Islands protector but it's most likely going to be Luffy who lends his flag to save the island." With plenty of solid reasoning that was eventually true.
That is just one example of so many! And a lot of his arguments came before Jinbe was even shown on panel. His analysis was just on another level.
And honestly arguing for Jinbe then and arguing for Jinbe after Fishman Island wasn't so different. So many claims of he would die when they reunite, or if he won't join now then he wont ever. It was the constant effort of people on this forum that swayed opinions but the arguments were the same from day 0.
but the arguments were the same from day 0.
It was honestly not that hard. Eveyone knew a fishman would join at some point, it was an obligatory step for the crew. With the whole "Humans are racist towards Fishmen, poor Fishmen they've got a sad and hard past", it was wayyy too obvious that a fishman would join. Then it was just about which Fishman would join and since Jinbe was the one with the most screentime and friendly with Luffy since Impel Down, it's no surprise.
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And honestly arguing for Jinbe then and arguing for Jinbe after Fishman Island wasn't so different.
It is different. At that time (after the timeskip), someone who said that Jinbe couldn't join the crew because he has his own crew was right. Now, if Jinbe doesn't have his crew anymore, it changes everything. You can't just say that arguing for Jinbe during Fishman Island and arguing for Jinbe after Fishman Island isn't different.
It was honestly not that hard. Eveyone knew a fishman would join at some point, it was an obligatory step for the crew. With the whole "Humans are racist towards Fishmen, poor Fishmen they've got a sad and hard past", it was wayyy too obvious that a fishman would join. Then it was just about which Fishman would join and since Jinbe was the one with the most screentime and friendly with Luffy since Impel Down, it's no surprise.
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It is different. At that time (after the timeskip), someone who said that Jinbe couldn't join the crew because he has his own crew was right. Now, if Jinbe doesn't have his crew anymore, it changes everything. You can't just say that arguing for Jinbe during Fishman Island and arguing for Jinbe after Fishman Island isn't different.
No, they were wrong then and they were wrong now. One of the main arguments was always that Jinbe couldn't join because of his crew. Anyone who ever proposed that argument used it as a permanent marker for why Jinbe could not ever join. Some assumed he had no crew and others figured it would just be another Franky or Usopp type situation where he leaves them behind. To say that those people were right is pretty funny because Jinbe having a crew was just another nail in the coffin for them. It was always about why he would never ever join the Straw Hats, not what was going to slow him down.
And what I mean about arguing for Jinbe then and now being the same is that even after Fishman Island the same arguments were brought up for years and years. Even after Luffy's invitation people kept saying the same things, he's too bland, no quirks, too strong, has a crew, too old, etc, only at that point his death was a viable option for some reason. Even one of our blue star members thought that was a possibility. After Jinbe's initial decline which many people called(I did but I didn't think it would take 4ish years to deal with) the haters and doubters were jumping up and down claiming there was no way he'd join later if he isn't joining now.
Arlong Park at this moment is very on board for the idea of Jinbe joining, but it's only been like this fairly recently. Arguments should have ended after Fishman Island but the same exact tired old arguments continued on for years. I want to say it was during Dressrosa when Jinbe found that Poneglyph I feel like the majority of people were on the same page.
Yes, people assumed some sort of fish person would join the crew but Jinbe was not that Fishman, not for a long time. Me and almost everyone else on the planet wanted a Fishman but we did not want Jinbe.
I want to say it was during Dressrosa when Jinbe found that Poneglyph I feel like the majority of people were on the same page.
Nope, it was when Jinbe's arguments about him not joining started to fall down. During Fishman Island arc, people who said that Jinbe could not join because of his bounty were right. Jinbe did not join because his bounty would have shadowed Luffy's bounty, the captain. And do not use Robin's bounty as counter example since Luffy's bounty exceeded Robin's bounty from the moment she joined. There is a reason why Luffy is the captain and there is a reason why he has the highest bounty of the crew. Jinbe's bounty being equal to Luffy would have felt off, if he joined at the end of Fishman Island arc.
This is no coincidence if Jinbe didn't join when his bounty was equal to Luffy and this is no coincidence either if Jibe is going to join when Luffy's bounty is currently at 500M, exceeding Jinbe's bounty.
This is why I say most of people were right in the end with Jinbe's case.
Nope, it was when Jinbe's arguments about him not joining started to fall down. During Fishman Island arc, people who said that Jinbe could not join because of his bounty were right. Jinbe did not join because his bounty would have shadowed Luffy's bounty, the captain. And do not use Robin's bounty as counter example since Luffy's bounty exceeded Robin's bounty from the moment she joined. There is a reason why Luffy is the captain and there is a reason why he has the highest bounty of the crew. Jinbe's bounty being equal to Luffy would have felt off, if he joined at the end of Fishman Island arc.
This is no coincidence if Jinbe didn't join when his bounty was equal to Luffy and this is no coincidence either if Jibe is going to join when Luffy's bounty is currently at 500M, exceeding Jinbe's bounty.This is why I say most of people were right in the end with Jinbe's case.
You're basically bringing up the infamy argument like so many others before you. Zoro was once more famous than Luffy and people for a time feared him more than Luffy.
And I will use Robin as a counter example but not with Luffy, with Zoro once again. People are always so focused on the specific balance and placement of the crews bounties they forget that Robin had the 2nd highest bounty for a heck of a long time. If Jinbe had a bigger bounty than Luffy for a time then so be it. I feel like thats one of the weakest arguments people could bring up.
The main antagonist after Fishman Island was Doflamingo. Once we learned that I can assure that was on of the biggest reasons Jinbe had not joined yet. You can bet Oda didn't want both 2 War Lords teaming up with Luffy to take down 1.
Still despite all that, once more, just about anytime someone claimed Jinbe would not join it was always a reasoning for why he would never ever join the crew.
We've already been through 3 full arcs with Luffy leading Jinbe, 2 of the arcs Luffy was most certainly weaker and the other where Jinbe's bounty exceeded Luffy's by less than a 100 million. What difference does it make if that bounty difference carried on for one saga longer?