The first 2/3rds of this week's episode were alright and again lots of stretching out and panning, but it was all worth it for the last 1/3rd. Damn.
My Hero Academia - Gomu Gomu no Gentle Fist
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Agreed. All Might going ham on Noumu was great.
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While watching the episode and seeing the alright but not good art, I knewn something like that fight was going to happen. That was amazing. If only all the fights were animated like that.
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Another pretty good episode, anchored by that fantastic ending. I liked the opening, with good music. It gave me the type of chills the manga does every time I read that scene. The middle had a few good bits, and of course the ending was spectacular. I was annoyed by the staging in several parts though, like how the four boys were off in a neat line for observation after Noumu's strike instead of arrayed in combat positions. The biggest problem is one they've had in recent episodes, where momentum absolutely dies when cutting away from action to other characters' discussion. There's just no sense of urgency in the line delivery or music. I'm also thinking that people might be a bit less thrilled with the season finale since it's mostly bluffing and exposition.
Hopefully Bones figures out their pacing problems next season. I've still got my fingers crossed for it covering both the festival (8-9 episodes) and workplace training (4-5 episodes) arcs.
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Gosh it is so incredible rewatching this part of the story knowing what we do now. The animation could have been better quality, but I was still thoroughly impressed :D
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It is announced that Boku no Hero Academia going to have 2nd season of anime.
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Awesome! That's great.
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Stain is silhouetted in the announcement picture too so we're either going to get 26 episodes or a faster paced season. I'd lean towards the latter- a lot of the festival chapters are action heavy and should go pretty quickly.
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Chapter 96: http://readms.com/r/my_hero_academia/096/3488/1
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Well Dekus Mom reaction was realistic, but i expect some people comparing her to Chichi…
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We get confirmation All Might was the number one hero…in Japan. Want to see MHA Alpha Flight, Justice League and Excalibur. An international hero school training exercise/tournament would be cool too. Nice to see consequences for Jeanist getting trashed by AFO. That part with Ragdoll, heartbreaking. The higher ups covered up her losing her quirk. Love the inverse of All Might being a symbol for society and AFO's identity and abilities being hidden as much as possible.
This series has the best parents. Bakugou's mom is fantastic. Completely understand where Momma Deku is coming from. It's been built up nicely. Don't see how they can convince her other than Deku saying he'll be a hero with or without UA forcing her to agree only for him to get the proper training.
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It is announced that Boku no Hero Academia going to have 2nd season of anime.
Here's hoping for a bigger budget.
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Jirou's father is Kurt. Go figure.
And when international heroes are coming?
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Geez, I mean I understand Deku's mom being like that, but with the context of her throughout the series, she really is a bad mother. I don't get the sense that she's ever considered her son's own feelings, except for making him a costume, which rang more as a 'sorry I was a terrible mother' sort of a deal. Deku's growth and maturity has always been independent or in spite of his mother's thoughts and actions. She dared to take pride in Deku after his development and then goes and stifles him again without even considering his thoughts and feelings. On one hand I can't blame her for being protective, considering the circumstances, but on the other she seems to be motivated by an inherent distrust for her son.
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I sort of agree with Wags, but since Deku is really the only student so far who has been injuring himself further and further every time, I can totally understand Deku's mom.
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I really liked seeing some of the parents again. Always really nice because again, in many series the parents are dead.
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BTW, I love Bakugou even more now after seeing his mother.
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I think its fair that she's reacting like that and not at all a bad mother.
One for All has effectively been destroying his body to the point that not even Recovery Girl and intense surgery can do anything for him. She's been sitting on the side cheering him on but there is only so much damage he can take before her own personal dam breaks.
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Absolutely loved this chapter. I feel Jirou doesn't get enough love so seeing her receive any kind of focus is great, and that comedy was perfect. Bakumom is amazing too and the melancholy mood in the last page with Bakugou really shows his growth and the depth he has.
As for Izuku's mom, I think it's clear she's not making this decision out of selfishness but out of genuine parental concern for his well-being. I actually hope she doesn't change her mind and Izuku ends up running away to school, to add some real emotional sacrifice to his character.
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Please, Asui parents next chapter. Pulease!!!
Regarding Deku's mother. I really like her. I hate the trope of mothers in manga always being perfect beings who have the emotional maturity, empathic ability and logical discernment you would expect from god himself - all that while looking as some kind of ethereal nymph.
Deku's mom is your average mother: she is small, kinda chubby, she takes bad decisions when she is under emotional distress and she doesn't view things through omniscient eyes. She is acting like a mother "I am not sure my kid will be safe there. Maybe he will be sad now, maybe he will hate me, but with time he will find something else he can love doing without dying in the process. As long as he is alive, he can find other sources of happiness".
Any of the other parents acting like that could be overreacting, but Deku is always coming home a mess. All Might himself pointed out (last chapter) this was the first time Deku managed to go through a dangerous situation without sacrificing his body recklessly. I mean, if Recovery Girl was not part of U.A. staff, Deku would be crippled long ago and goodbye heroic dreams.
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As for Izuku's mom, I think it's clear she's not making this decision out of selfishness but out of genuine parental concern for his well-being.
Isn't that a kind of selfishness, though? She hasn't taken Deku's thoughts and feelings into consideration at all. He has grown a hell of the lot both in his quirk and as a person and his mom is acting like none of that matters.
If this was a one-off thing, we wouldn't be thinking more of this, but the other defining moment for Deku's mom hurting her son with her own thoughts and actions when he needed to most emotional support. This is how Deku's mom is, never attempting to look past her son's surface, whether it's his original quirkless nature (for which she pitied him), his acceptance into UA (the only time she supported him, which was AFTER he had already accomplished), or his injuries (for which she again pities him). The kicker is that, even after apparently speaking with Deku about this, she made a new decision on her own, directly ignoring her son's inner feelings for the outer issues. It doesn't matter if it's the right decision, she's going at it from a very wrong perspective.
Mind you I don't think this is bad writing. Deku's mom has a pretty consistent characterization as caring, but distant, so this all feels pretty organic and expected from her. It's also pretty clear that we're supposed to be conflicted over, if not outright against her parenting right now. I'm just drawing some links and hating her as a person. Good character, bad person.
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The problem here is not his mother's behavior, but Deku's own recklessness. Too bad this came out exactly after the very first time he managed to take action while keeping his own safety in mind.
No, the mother is very much the main problem. She only sees Deku as a reckless person because she's never even bothered to try and understand him. Deku is somewhat reckless, but there's a lot of growth and development going on there as well, which culminated in him being able to use his powers safely in the last arc. One of the reasons Deku's so reckless, anyways, is because All Might is the only positive parental figure in his life, and All Might knew full well that Deku would both get injured and be able to recover to some capacity. All Might isn't that responsible of a mentor, either, but he has no responsibility to be, he just ends up that way because his parents aren't. I think most of this stems from Deku's mother being a bad mom.
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This was a neat chapter. I too loved Bakugou's mom. I feel for his dad though lol.
Deku's mother makes sense. The school sorta has consistently failed the students in protecting them to get at All Might. It ranged from quick nurse visit to long hospital stays. It does make the school look incompetent. But on the other hand Deku's mpther should also be concerned with how much of a glass canon Deku's quirk makes him. Clearly he would need training of some sort. She should realize by now that this is her son's dream very little will stop him.
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You can dislike her but calling her a straight up bad person seems like a stretch, it depends on your perspective. With the way I grew up and what I've been through I wish I had deku's mom to be a little selfish for me. If we look at it from another angle not knowing what we know now, what if she had told him he could be a hero against all odds and it never happened? Would that make her worse? Would he blame her? We really have to keep in mind that he's not some 18 year old going off on his own he's a little kid breaking his body apart constantly. This doesn't make her necessarily right but it definitely doesn't make her a bad person either.
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I think a combination of factors: U.A. failing to protect its students MULTIPLE times now, All Might's very public & violent battle with OFA… Deku's quirk recklessly, severely damaging his body even with his best efforts. Factor in her concern for his safety as a mother and Deku's mom's reaction is pretty reasonable, all things considered. She's clearly aware of the damage she did to her son's psyche by not supporting him while he was Quirkless, but what's happening now is her wish to support him is warring with very legitimate concerns for his physical safety. Deku's mother's behavior is especially interesting in contrast with Bakugou's mother.
I'm glad the plot went here. My Hero Academia has become such a satisfying read!
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Isn't that a kind of selfishness, though? She hasn't taken Deku's thoughts and feelings into consideration at all. He has grown a hell of the lot both in his quirk and as a person and his mom is acting like none of that matters.
Her 15 years old boy have been constantly been put in mortal danger with dangerous criminal while getting more and more serious injuries. The one with magical nursing power doesn't think she'll be able to do much next time and the top security of the school( who hasn't been able to protect Deku from harm) is no longer able to protect the school. I don't think not wanting to let your son continue destroy his body and fight criminals because he feels good, is bad parenting.
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As for Izuku's mom, I think it's clear she's not making this decision out of selfishness but out of genuine parental concern for his well-being. I actually hope she doesn't change her mind and Izuku ends up running away to school, to add some real emotional sacrifice to his character.
Since he is not 18, I don't think the school could take him against her mom will or that All might would support him on that.
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Deku's mom taking a stand is actually a nice thing to see, and it adds such a realistic depth to the story. There has been much focus on Deku getting injured so of course his mother would be worried about him.
To be honest I'm seeing a fictional world equivalent of a single mother being strong in her decision to keep her child from further harm at the expense of coming into conflict with her child. This happens in real life so I admire his mom for standing up to All Might of all people.
She'll probably be convinced to let him go, but this stand of hers develops her personality a lot, and I appreciate Horikoshi giving that to her when she could've easily had Bakugo's mom's reaction.
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It was a pretty enjoyable chapter.
I like how into music and chill the earphones parents were and Boomboom Mom was a delight.
Good to see Mcplode say thank you to All might rather than throw a tantrum for not receiving his answer.
I'm interested to know what arguments will change Deku's mom mind.
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Isn't that a kind of selfishness, though? She hasn't taken Deku's thoughts and feelings into consideration at all. He has grown a hell of the lot both in his quirk and as a person and his mom is acting like none of that matters.
If this was a one-off thing, we wouldn't be thinking more of this, but the other defining moment for Deku's mom hurting her son with her own thoughts and actions when he needed to most emotional support. This is how Deku's mom is, never attempting to look past her son's surface, whether it's his original quirkless nature (for which she pitied him), his acceptance into UA (the only time she supported him, which was AFTER he had already accomplished), or his injuries (for which she again pities him). The kicker is that, even after apparently speaking with Deku about this, she made a new decision on her own, directly ignoring her son's inner feelings for the outer issues. It doesn't matter if it's the right decision, she's going at it from a very wrong perspective.
Mind you I don't think this is bad writing. Deku's mom has a pretty consistent characterization as caring, but distant, so this all feels pretty organic and expected from her. It's also pretty clear that we're supposed to be conflicted over, if not outright against her parenting right now. I'm just drawing some links and hating her as a person. Good character, bad person.
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No, the mother is very much the main problem. She only sees Deku as a reckless person because she's never even bothered to try and understand him. Deku is somewhat reckless, but there's a lot of growth and development going on there as well, which culminated in him being able to use his powers safely in the last arc. One of the reasons Deku's so reckless, anyways, is because All Might is the only positive parental figure in his life, and All Might knew full well that Deku would both get injured and be able to recover to some capacity. All Might isn't that responsible of a mentor, either, but he has no responsibility to be, he just ends up that way because his parents aren't. I think most of this stems from Deku's mother being a bad mom.
Can't you argue that one of the most important roles of a parent is to override a child's desires based on greater experience?
The failure to support her son early on in the way he needed has definitely weighed on her ever since and I would argue that its one of the reasons she's relegated herself to a cheerleader position. She knows she's not a great parent. She's seen Izuku miraculously succeed despite her lack of support and it made her question how much he really needs her. However, seeing how his injuries have increased and how the danger has gotten greater, she finally feels she needs to step up and speak out about what Delivery has consistently ignored: his own health and safety. He repeatedly injures himself without thinking about his own health, just his mobility. That's not sustainable.
Deku has by far sustained the greatest injuries of anyone in the class and it's 100% natural for his mom to worry he will permanently cripple himself. Speaking up for what she honestly believes is in his best interest isn't bad parenting at all.
The fact that we can have this honest debate over her quality as a parent is really a refreshing change of pace from "shit dad" or "beatific mom." It's a contiuing endorsement of the series's writing.
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Isn't that a kind of selfishness, though? She hasn't taken Deku's thoughts and feelings into consideration at all. He has grown a hell of the lot both in his quirk and as a person and his mom is acting like none of that matters.
If this was a one-off thing, we wouldn't be thinking more of this, but the other defining moment for Deku's mom hurting her son with her own thoughts and actions when he needed to most emotional support. This is how Deku's mom is, never attempting to look past her son's surface, whether it's his original quirkless nature (for which she pitied him), his acceptance into UA (the only time she supported him, which was AFTER he had already accomplished), or his injuries (for which she again pities him). The kicker is that, even after apparently speaking with Deku about this, she made a new decision on her own, directly ignoring her son's inner feelings for the outer issues. It doesn't matter if it's the right decision, she's going at it from a very wrong perspective.
Mind you I don't think this is bad writing. Deku's mom has a pretty consistent characterization as caring, but distant, so this all feels pretty organic and expected from her. It's also pretty clear that we're supposed to be conflicted over, if not outright against her parenting right now. I'm just drawing some links and hating her as a person. Good character, bad person.
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No, the mother is very much the main problem. She only sees Deku as a reckless person because she's never even bothered to try and understand him. Deku is somewhat reckless, but there's a lot of growth and development going on there as well, which culminated in him being able to use his powers safely in the last arc. One of the reasons Deku's so reckless, anyways, is because All Might is the only positive parental figure in his life, and All Might knew full well that Deku would both get injured and be able to recover to some capacity. All Might isn't that responsible of a mentor, either, but he has no responsibility to be, he just ends up that way because his parents aren't. I think most of this stems from Deku's mother being a bad mom.
Thing is: how those decisions make her a bad person/mother?
Deku wanted her to say that he could become a hero even without a quirk, instead of throwing the last shovel of dirt on his dream. But guess what? You can't become a hero without a quirk!
It's not a scenario like "without a quirk it is almost impossible to become a hero, you need extreme hard work and only one out of a million could do it". No. It is impossible. Period. Even Deku, despite being diligent and trying ten times as much as anyone will only become a hero because he happened to gain a quirk on his way there.
We are led to believe she was wrong in doing that because she resents her action, but the only reason she feels that way is because she thinks Deku actually had a quirk back then and it just hadn't manifested yet. She thinks she did wrong because she thinks she made her kid go through the pain of thinking his dream was impossible when it wasn't. But it was! If AM didn't came his way, he would never become a hero. If she allowed him to think he could do it, he would spend his life following an impossible dream. Becoming a hero was not at his reach.
She would only be wrong if she somehow was aware that was the possibility of someone else giving him a quirk, but as far as the general public knows, that's impossible.And regarding her current decision, I still think she is right in face of what was presented to her. Keep in mind that Deku managed to get this far in one piece not because of his actions (and growth), but despite of it. Knowing him is exactly the reason why one would be worried. Certainly the last arc showed things are going to change and this whole situation with his mother will force Deku to keep his own safety in mind from now on, but there was no way she would be aware of this very recent (and even future) development.
About her being selfish, I can't see that too. If anything, Deku being able to become a hero was the way she could forget she "crushed" this dream before and the way she could feel better with herself (thinking "so what I said was not so devastating, he can still do it despite of me"), so getting in the way of that dream is probably a personal sacrifice for her as well.
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Isn't that a kind of selfishness, though? She hasn't taken Deku's thoughts and feelings into consideration at all. He has grown a hell of the lot both in his quirk and as a person and his mom is acting like none of that matters.
Izuku hasn't done the same either. He lied to his mother and went into a high-risk mission just last arc.
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Thing is: how those decisions make her a bad person/mother?
Deku wanted her to say that he could become a hero even without a quirk, instead of throwing the last shovel of dirt on his dream. But guess what? You can't become a hero without a quirk!
It's not a scenario like "without a quirk it is almost impossible to become a hero, you need extreme hard work and only one out of a million could do it". No. It is impossible. Period. Even Deku, despite being diligent and trying ten times as much as anyone will only become a hero because he happened to gain a quirk on his way there.
We are led to believe she was wrong in doing that because she resents her action, but the only reason she feels that way is because she thinks Deku actually had a quirk back then and it just hadn't manifested yet. She thinks she did wrong because she thinks she made her kid go through the pain of thinking his dream was impossible when it wasn't. But it was! If AM didn't came his way, he would never become a hero. If she allowed him to think he could do it, he would spend his life following an impossible dream. Becoming a hero was not at his reach.
She would only be wrong if she somehow was aware that was the possibility of someone else giving him a quirk, but as far as the general public knows, that's impossible.And regarding her current decision, I still think she is right in face of what was presented to her. Keep in mind that Deku managed to get this far in one piece not because of his actions (and growth), but despite of it. Knowing him is exactly the reason why one would be worried. Certainly the last arc showed things are going to change and this whole situation with his mother will force Deku to keep his own safety in mind from now on, but there was no way she would be aware of this very recent (and even future) development.
About her being selfish, I can't see that too. If anything, Deku being able to become a hero was the way she could forget she "crushed" this dream before and the way she could feel better with herself (thinking "so what I said was not so devastating, he can still do it despite of me"), so getting in the way of that dream is probably a personal sacrifice for her as well.
I agree on that.
I thought the author would have gone out of his way to prove the mom by having Deku despite his lack skills but clearly the author has went on his to portray the need of a quirk to succeed in that field so I cannot say stopping your kid from chasing a unobtainable dream is a bad idea.
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We are ignoring the superman in the room, All Might, who gave a kid with just a summer of intense body training the power of like 15 different people and left him with no instructions beyond "Don't break the egg". Whaat?
If this was as it's painted, as Deku's quirk being product of late blooming, or a "strength multiplication quirk" that it's only useful if you have advanced physical strenght, then yeah, the decision is all on her.
The truth is that All Might gave all this power to Deku, with him barely being physicaly prepared, and almost completely unprepared psychologicaly for it, with his overwhelming power he could have made an argument with himself that he could keep him safe, that a symbol of peace was needed, that having the "guts" is enough and all other things will come later, but now faced with those who will mourn Deku if he fails, and can do nothing to help him excep stoping him outright.
He gave this kid a weapon that he couldn't control, all for the greater good.
All of course being moot, as Deku is going to get himself on that program (as he believes the "Pilar of Peace" bullshit, and that he wants to be a hero, and that he can't let down All Might and One for All). I hope that at least the characters grow from this.
Also, I have the feeling that we won't have a class B after this. Too many low impact characters with few high impact ones, that cover page with the mixed classes (Thorny girl and killgrave Jr with class A), I'm guessing that the class will grow, once like 6-8 class B get retired, and maybe a few class A.
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Her 15 years old boy have been constantly been put in mortal danger with dangerous criminal while getting more and more serious injuries. The one with magical nursing power doesn't think she'll be able to do much next time and the top security of the school( who hasn't been able to protect Deku from harm) is no longer able to protect the school. I don't think not wanting to let your son continue destroy his body and fight criminals because he feels good, is bad parenting.
In that case, though, why didn't Deku's mom confront him earlier about that? She is a very insecure parent and that has both affected her judgement and her relationship with her own son. I'd say that between Deku and his mom, Deku has a lot more maturity. He makes attempts to understand the people around him, between his notes and his interactions. His relationship with Bakugou show just that. Despite having an antogonistic relationship with him for the most part, he's able to look past that, find what he respects and attempts to understand him as a person, and has even succeeded in defusing him (leel) in a few situations because he's willing to go that far for a person he cares about. His recklessness is a sort of extension of that, but it's not one he ignores, and he even works hard to confront his issues. He confronts his issues because he's had supportive people around him telling him he needs to tone it down. Those people do a lot more for Deku than his mother, who never attempted to do the same before out of fear that she might hurt him. Her too little, too late act has the potential to even make things worse. She's afraid of how to deal with her own child and doesn't seem to realize how that might affect her judgement.
Can't you argue that one of the most important roles of a parent is to override a child's desires based on greater experience?
The failure to support her son early on in the way he needed has definitely weighed on her ever since and I would argue that its one of the reasons she's relegated herself to a cheerleader position. She knows she's not a great parent. She's seen Izuku miraculously succeed despite her lack of support and it made her question how much he really needs her. However, seeing how his injuries have increased and how the danger has gotten greater, she finally feels she needs to step up and speak out about what Delivery has consistently ignored: his own health and safety. He repeatedly injures himself without thinking about his own health, just his mobility. That's not sustainable.
Deku has by far sustained the greatest injuries of anyone in the class and it's 100% natural for his mom to worry he will permanently cripple himself. Speaking up for what she honestly believes is in his best interest isn't bad parenting at all.
The fact that we can have this honest debate over her quality as a parent is really a refreshing change of pace from "shit dad" or "beatific mom." It's a contiuing endorsement of the series's writing.
I'd argue that if Deku's mom learned from her experiences, she's learned incorrectly. Her insecurity clouds her perspective and judgement. She seems to think that what she did wrong before was impose herself too much on Deku, so she backed away a bunch and now is trying to meddle once again. She doesn't realize that the big problem is their inability to communicate, and the way she's taking a stand now only confirms that.
I mean, yes, from the outside Deku's shit looks bad, but that's exactly the problem. Deku's mom is always on the outside and that is almost entirely her own fault. Deku may not communicate with her much, either, but I can't blame him since she's she's colored as an insecure realist and that has hurt him before. At this point, it's up to Deku's mom to try and reach out, but she keeps closing herself off.
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Thing is: how those decisions make her a bad person/mother?
Deku wanted her to say that he could become a hero even without a quirk, instead of throwing the last shovel of dirt on his dream. But guess what? You can't become a hero without a quirk!
It's not a scenario like "without a quirk it is almost impossible to become a hero, you need extreme hard work and only one out of a million could do it". No. It is impossible. Period. Even Deku, despite being diligent and trying ten times as much as anyone will only become a hero because he happened to gain a quirk on his way there.
We are led to believe she was wrong in doing that because she resents her action, but the only reason she feels that way is because she thinks Deku actually had a quirk back then and it just hadn't manifested yet. She thinks she did wrong because she thinks she made her kid go through the pain of thinking his dream was impossible when it wasn't. But it was! If AM didn't came his way, he would never become a hero. If she allowed him to think he could do it, he would spend his life following an impossible dream. Becoming a hero was not at his reach.
She would only be wrong if she somehow was aware that was the possibility of someone else giving him a quirk, but as far as the general public knows, that's impossible.And regarding her current decision, I still think she is right in face of what was presented to her. Keep in mind that Deku managed to get this far in one piece not because of his actions (and growth), but despite of it. Knowing him is exactly the reason why one would be worried. Certainly the last arc showed things are going to change and this whole situation with his mother will force Deku to keep his own safety in mind from now on, but there was no way she would be aware of this very recent (and even future) development.
About her being selfish, I can't see that too. If anything, Deku being able to become a hero was the way she could forget she "crushed" this dream before and the way she could feel better with herself (thinking "so what I said was not so devastating, he can still do it despite of me"), so getting in the way of that dream is probably a personal sacrifice for her as well.
A good parent is supportive. There are plenty of ways that Deku could have entered the world of heroes, even with a disadvantage. Like compare Deku's mom to the mom in Erased. Erased spoilers:
! Erased mom trusts her child against everything else. Even when he gets involved in dangerous or suspicious things, she supports him because she knows he wouldn't do anything bad and believes in his power as a human being to do good. Her son eventually pays a heavy price for it, nearly dying and ending up in a coma, but she continues to support him and continues to believe that what her son did was important enough for him to risk his life and never pities him. Granted that she is like ultra mom and nobody's really that great, she demonstrates an ideal by truly putting her child's personhood above everything else
Deku's mom never gets close enough to her son to really see him as a person and lets her own problems become his burdens. Granted that she wasn't going to suddenly change right here and her actions make sense in the context of her character, I can't say they're good actions. She missed opportunities to try and get closer to her son and keeps doing things that will likely push him away. I'm hoping that this situation ends with them either starting that mutual understanding process, or Deku running away to Hogwarts and growing that gap further.
What I mean by selfish isn't that her point of view and desires are pretty much only her own and don't take Deku's into account. Sacrifice can be selfish, too. It's her way of making a decision without trying to understand her son. She does it because it's easy and she's too scared to try anything else, not just because of the situation, but because she's an insecure person who would rather jeopardize her relationship with her son than to try and get close to him.
Izuku hasn't done the same either. He lied to his mother and went into a high-risk mission just last arc.
Like I said earlier in this post, I don't blame Deku. His communications with his mother have always been tempered with her toxic insecurity, and she's the one who really needs to reach out first if she wants any chance of improving their relationship.[/hide]
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It is already time for Deku to become his own man and prove himself that he is now destined to more far greater heights. Should a villain kidnap Deku's mom for him to act or couldn't he just tell the truth right off the bat next chapter?
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We are ignoring the superman in the room, All Might, who gave a kid with just a summer of intense body training the power of like 15 different people and left him with no instructions beyond "Don't break the egg". Whaat?
If this was as it's painted, as Deku's quirk being product of late blooming, or a "strength multiplication quirk" that it's only useful if you have advanced physical strenght, then yeah, the decision is all on her.
The truth is that All Might gave all this power to Deku, with him barely being physicaly prepared, and almost completely unprepared psychologicaly for it, with his overwhelming power he could have made an argument with himself that he could keep him safe, that a symbol of peace was needed, that having the "guts" is enough and all other things will come later, but now faced with those who will mourn Deku if he fails, and can do nothing to help him excep stoping him outright.
He gave this kid a weapon that he couldn't control, all for the greater good.
All of course being moot, as Deku is going to get himself on that program (as he believes the "Pilar of Peace" bullshit, and that he wants to be a hero, and that he can't let down All Might and One for All). I hope that at least the characters grow from this.
Also, I have the feeling that we won't have a class B after this. Too many low impact characters with few high impact ones, that cover page with the mixed classes (Thorny girl and killgrave Jr with class A), I'm guessing that the class will grow, once like 6-8 class B get retired, and maybe a few class A.
I addressed this a little bit. All Might isn't a really great mentor, and I think he's recognized as much in the past. Even though he isn't the best parental figure, though, he treats Deku like an adult, which is important for Deku. He's someone who believes in Deku, sees his strengths, and tries his best to understand his feelings. I think the main problem with their relationship is also a communication one. All Might seems to have trouble really understanding and conveying ideas and usually says too little, assuming that Deku will figure it out. Instead, Deku does things like try to exceed his training routine (since All Might thought he'd understand how strict it was), or he has trouble really controlling his ability (since All Might gave him vague instructions, probably since it's just intuitive to him).
I think it comes down to All Might being a kind of introverted in his thinking, while Deku is a lot more extroverted. All Might mostly fights by himself, he took up the image of a symbol of peace and carried that burden all alone as a single person. He seems to grasp concepts very intuitively while having difficulty really expressing them to others. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he mostly picked up how to use his quirk on his own, which is why he expects Deku to understand so easily. Deku, though, learns everything from other people. He takes notes on his favorite heroes, and his friends, and while he has this great ability to really analyze things by himself, he's sort of dependent on outside information, so All Might's is a sort of poor fit for him as a mentor. Where their relationship succeeds is more on the emotional level that I mentioned before, since All Might is a very supportive figure, he's just bad at giving Deku direction.
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It is already time for Deku to become his own man and prove himself that he is now destined to more far greater heights. Should a villain kidnap Deku's mom for him to act or couldn't he just tell the truth right off the bat next chapter?
I was wondering about if Deku will tell the truth to his mom ever, but I think it's up to his mom to earn his trust first. Deku might tell before that can happen, but if I were in his place, it would be hard to trust her with that information right after she made such an insensitive unilateral decision. She might resent All Might for doing this to her son, or try in some other way to get between Deku and his dream. The worst case scenario would be that she leaked the information as another stab at UA for endangering her son's life. I think Deku's mom needs to be a person deserving of trust before he offers it, though it would be believable if he didn't have that judgement.
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In that case, though, why didn't Deku's mom confront him earlier about that? She is a very insecure parent and that has both affected her judgement and her relationship with her own son. I'd say that between Deku and his mom, Deku has a lot more maturity. He makes attempts to understand the people around him, between his notes and his interactions. His relationship with Bakugou show just that. Despite having an antogonistic relationship with him for the most part, he's able to look past that, find what he respects and attempts to understand him as a person, and has even succeeded in defusing him (leel) in a few situations because he's willing to go that far for a person he cares about. His recklessness is a sort of extension of that, but it's not one he ignores, and he even works hard to confront his issues. He confronts his issues because he's had supportive people around him telling him he needs to tone it down. Those people do a lot more for Deku than his mother, who never attempted to do the same before out of fear that she might hurt him. Her too little, too late act has the potential to even make things worse. She's afraid of how to deal with her own child and doesn't seem to realize how that might affect her judgement.
I'd argue that if Deku's mom learned from her experiences, she's learned incorrectly. Her insecurity clouds her perspective and judgement. She seems to think that what she did wrong before was impose herself too much on Deku, so she backed away a bunch and now is trying to meddle once again. She doesn't realize that the big problem is their inability to communicate, and the way she's taking a stand now only confirms that.
I mean, yes, from the outside Deku's shit looks bad, but that's exactly the problem. Deku's mom is always on the outside and that is almost entirely her own fault. Deku may not communicate with her much, either, but I can't blame him since she's she's colored as an insecure realist and that has hurt him before. At this point, it's up to Deku's mom to try and reach out, but she keeps closing herself off.
A good parent is supportive. There are plenty of ways that Deku could have entered the world of heroes, even with a disadvantage. Like compare Deku's mom to the mom in Erased. Erased spoilers:
! Erased mom trusts her child against everything else. Even when he gets involved in dangerous or suspicious things, she supports him because she knows he wouldn't do anything bad and believes in his power as a human being to do good. Her son eventually pays a heavy price for it, nearly dying and ending up in a coma, but she continues to support him and continues to believe that what her son did was important enough for him to risk his life and never pities him. Granted that she is like ultra mom and nobody's really that great, she demonstrates an ideal by truly putting her child's personhood above everything else
Deku's mom never gets close enough to her son to really see him as a person and lets her own problems become his burdens. Granted that she wasn't going to suddenly change right here and her actions make sense in the context of her character, I can't say they're good actions. She missed opportunities to try and get closer to her son and keeps doing things that will likely push him away. I'm hoping that this situation ends with them either starting that mutual understanding process, or Deku running away to Hogwarts and growing that gap further.
What I mean by selfish isn't that her point of view and desires are pretty much only her own and don't take Deku's into account. Sacrifice can be selfish, too. It's her way of making a decision without trying to understand her son. She does it because it's easy and she's too scared to try anything else, not just because of the situation, but because she's an insecure person who would rather jeopardize her relationship with her son than to try and get close to him.
Like I said earlier in this post, I don't blame Deku. His communications with his mother have always been tempered with her toxic insecurity, and she's the one who really needs to reach out first if she wants any chance of improving their relationship.[/hide]
Sorry, but I can't agree that a good parent is supportive if said support ends up with the kid nearly dying.
After all, if the kid did die, then what? Would she still be considered a good parent for that? Support is great, but context is important. Never mind that a 15 year-old is not exactly the wisest person in the world, especially a very idealistic one like Izuku.
Sounds like one of those things were as long as things end fine, then everything's fine. Never mind all the physical and psychological trouble somebody would get from a coma/paralysis/near-death experience.
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What i'm curious about is what All Might could possibly tell her at this point to have her give her consent, since judging from his expression he was expecting a similar answer, he should have come prepared to argue/explain.
But i don't think even telling her the whole truth about OFA and his hopes concerning Deku would cut it, since that would confirm her fears about what lies ahead for her son. It would kinda cheapen her resolve and thought process if thinking of him as a potential succesor to the symbol of peace was enough to sway her, no ? -
Sorry, but I can't agree that a good parent is supportive if said support ends up with the kid nearly dying.
After all, if the kid did die, then what? Would she still be considered a good parent for that? The context is important. Never mind that a 15 year-old is not exactly the wisest person in the world, especially a very idealistic one like Izuku.
Sounds like one of those things were as long as things end fine, then everything's fine. Never mind all the physical and psychological trouble somebody would get from a coma/paralysis/near-death experience.
But you can't always protect your child from harm. Thinking you can is naive and harmful. The important thing to do is to try to understand and, based on that understanding, try to figure out what your child needs. What Deku needs right now isn't confinement, that's what his mother needs. What Deku needs is fitting support and guidance to put him on the right path, which is what everyone but his mother seems to offer him in one way or another, though some are more successful at it than others. He has teachers like Eraserhead, who really early on put it in Deku's mind that he needs to be careful. Recovery Girl and Gran Torino also gave him warnings and guidance. Deku's mom just gave him a reason to be angry and rebel, or safe and miserable.
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But you can't always protect your child from harm. Thinking you can is naive and harmful. The important thing to do is to try to understand and, based on that understanding, try to figure out what your child needs. What Deku needs right now isn't confinement, that's what his mother needs. What Deku needs is fitting support and guidance to put him on the right path, which is what everyone but his mother seems to offer him in one way or another, though some are more successful at it than others. He has teachers like Eraserhead, who really early on put it in Deku's mind that he needs to be careful. Recovery Girl and Gran Torino also gave him warnings and guidance. Deku's mom just gave him a reason to be angry and rebel, or safe and miserable.
She doesn't intend to confine him in any way, she simply doesn't trust in UA anymore to provide that "support and guidance" nor the protection required, which is pretty legitimate considering her son's frequent injuries.
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Incredibly loved this chapter. Because it shows that not everyone is going to agree in some happy family type thing. I'm a teacher in the real world and that is expected when running a school. You have the parents who act differently around teachers, who get called out by kids, who are verbally abusive/abused, and so on. I would have liked to see if there was a student who walked all over their parents, but that was probably due to panel-allowances. Deku's mother is very real here, and it's awesome! She's right, but she's also not, and that's exactly where parents are after things like an injury report call. It's somewhere between that feeling of "you weren't watching them" and "oh, that happens all the time at home". You are mad, but you know part of it isn't the teachers' faults but their child's actions. It is HARD to find the middle where you want to be without being crazy!
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But you can't always protect your child from harm. Thinking you can is naive and harmful. The important thing to do is to try to understand and, based on that understanding, try to figure out what your child needs. What Deku needs right now isn't confinement, that's what his mother needs. What Deku needs is fitting support and guidance to put him on the right path, which is what everyone but his mother seems to offer him in one way or another, though some are more successful at it than others. He has teachers like Eraserhead, who really early on put it in Deku's mind that he needs to be careful. Recovery Girl and Gran Torino also gave him warnings and guidance. Deku's mom just gave him a reason to be angry and rebel, or safe and miserable.
You mention the likes of Aizawa and Recovery Girl. Yes, they give him warning, but no, he doesn't listen. Which just goes to show that Izuku's mom does have a point. They're not "fitting support and guidance".
You can bet that if Izuku didn't get those wounds all the time, she wouldn't be as distrustful. Even before the TV incident, she was questioning his stay at U.A.
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She doesn't intend to confine him in any way, she simply doesn't trust in UA anymore to provide that "support and guidance" nor the protection required, which is pretty legitimate considering her son's frequent injuries.
Sure he got injured doing what he had to do to save lives, but the thing is, he should never have been put in those situations to begin with, and she can blame the school for that.If she understood the situation at all, she'd realize that the most capable people of protecting her son and raising him to be more careful. The fact that she doesn't understand this and has a limited viewpoint is because she doesn't know her son or his situation, and never made an attempt to do so.
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You mention the likes of Aizawa and Recovery Girl. Yes, they give him warning, but no, he doesn't listen. Which just goes to show that Izuku's mom does have a point. They're not "fitting support and guidance".
You can bet that if Izuku didn't get those wounds all the time, she wouldn't be as distrustful. Even before the tv incident, she was questioning his stay at U.A.
He doesn't listen much to Recovery Girl, fair, but you can't deny that Aizawa had a huge influence on his liberal use of power. It is directly shown in the rescue training arc, and the question is on his mind whether or not he defies it. Maybe they haven't given him the best guidance, but they've given him guidance which has definitely helped to put him on the right path. He made a big leap on that recently, too, which is payoff for that guidance. He's around people who remind him of his limitations and challenge him to be aware of them and work better with them.
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I can't help, but feels all this is because of Midoriya's lack of luck that makes him use his quirk when his body isn't ready.
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Okay, here's something that I believe is worth thinking about.
One For All is supposed to be a power that is used to transfer energy. Furthermore, this power has been cultivated, or "trained" if you'll allow me to use the word, to be used in different ways.
Gran Torino has said that "All Might" had a body that was perfectly suited for this ability. Even so, perhaps All Might trained the ability in a way that is too dangerous for a brand new user to adopt. Especially someone who has focused on building intellect and knowledge instead of athleticism.
I wonder if Izuku is going to be the one to train One For All in a way that makes subsequent users able to heal immediately from the use of the ability. Deku's smart, and he realizes that damaging his own body with an ability that channels the strength of all the previous users is a bad side effect. Maybe Deku will be the one to "perfect" the quirk to the point that anyone else who inherits it will be able to use it without hurting themselves - maybe he'll use the energy to enhance his own endurance and healing to compensate for the excessive force that he generates.
Leave it to a smart kid to minimax the problem.
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Or... or... what if. What if Deku gives a hair to each classmate to eat. And then, together, the classmates train OFA, and then give hairs back to Deku.
What if?!?!?!
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If she understood the situation at all, she'd realize that the most capable people of protecting her son and raising him to be more careful. The fact that she doesn't understand this and has a limited viewpoint is because she doesn't know her son or his situation, and never made an attempt to do so.
She can't understand the full situation considering how much information is most likely being withheld from her.
It's hard to realize that those people are the most capable of protecting her son when of the rising villain activity, U.A. has been attacked twice and her son is sitting next to her with an injury so crippling that if he currently uses his arm again it will be completely destroyed. These injuries have come ever since he "manifested" his quirk and he started going to U.A.
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I don't think comparing Deku's mother's parenting to the mother from Erased quite works.
! She was constantly called a demon for being far more insightful than most people. Pretty much eerily so. She seemed to allow him a lot of freedom that seemed a bit abnormal to allow a grade schooler. Deku's mom as others have said is missing huge chunks of information and is only seeing the outcome to her decision making. It's more normal to not want your kid to go into a very dangerous field. Especially now with villains being more active.
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Imho everything Dekus mom did and told is completely understandable. Even not telling him he could become a hero without a quirk.
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She can't understand the full situation considering how much information is most likely being withheld from her.
It's hard to realize that those people are the most capable of protecting her son when of the rising villain activity, U.A. has been attacked twice and her son is sitting next to her with an injury so crippling that if he currently uses his arm again it will be completely destroyed. These injuries have come ever since he "manifested" his quirk and he started going to U.A.
I've been over this: it's only hard to realize if you have no connection with the person. Deku's classmates can see it, but his mom doesn't know shit? The fact that Deku's secretive about anything to his mother is largely his mother's fault. The fact that his mother doesn't know anything about his school life and education is largely his mother's fault. These communication problems are on display in the chapter, where his mother openly defies the conversation she had with her son out of the blue. She had the chance to discuss this with him and still flip flopped in the end. Say what you will about the decision, it's a dick move to just change something up like that on your own son after already discussing it with him, since the chance to argue was then. If it was that sensitive of a topic for her, then she would have told him then. If she was having second thoughts, she could have played for time, but instead she's distant enough from her son and insecure enough that she just changed her mind when it came down to the wire.
I don't think comparing Deku's mother's parenting to the mother from Erased quite works.
! She was constantly called a demon for being far more insightful than most people. Pretty much eerily so. She seemed to allow him a lot of freedom that seemed a bit abnormal to allow a grade schooler. Deku's mom as others have said is missing huge chunks of information and is only seeing the outcome to her decision making. It's more normal to not want your kid to go into a very dangerous field. Especially now with villains being more active.
I recognize that it's a different case and that Deku's mom is flawed. That's my whole argument. The main comparison I was making, though, was about trust and support. If Deku's mom was as perceptive as Erased mom, she might still make bad decisions because she sees her son more like a responsibility than a person. If Erased mom wasn't as perceptive, she may not have been able to help her son conduct his shenanigans, but she still would made an attempt to trust and understand him, because she sees him as a human being that she cares about.
Imho everything Dekus mom did and told is completely understandable. Even not telling him he could become a hero without a quirk.
She's understandable, but again, does that make her a good mom? It's understandable when a parent pressures their child into succeeding, go back several decades and it was more understandable for a parent to beat a child if they had done wrong. Deku's mom is a consistent and well-written character, but it shouldn't be controversial that she's a bad parent when her role in the story has been mostly sabotaging Deku and ignoring his feelings.
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I've been over this: it's only hard to realize if you have no connection with the person. Deku's classmates can see it, but his mom doesn't know shit? The fact that Deku's secretive about anything to his mother is largely his mother's fault. The fact that his mother doesn't know anything about his school life and education is largely his mother's fault. These communication problems are on display in the chapter, where his mother openly defies the conversation she had with her son out of the blue. She had the chance to discuss this with him and still flip flopped in the end. Say what you will about the decision, it's a dick move to just change something up like that on your own son after already discussing it with him, since the chance to argue was then. If it was that sensitive of a topic for her, then she would have told him then. If she was having second thoughts, she could have played for time, but instead she's distant enough from her son and insecure enough that she just changed her mind when it came down to the wire.
It's partly Deku's fault for not talking to his mother about school, but it's also his mother's fault for not asking him about school more. BUT a parent cannot force a child to tell them everything, because that is a different kind of bad parenting. So what we have here is, as you say, communication issues on both sides. His mother needs to listen to Deku, but Deku needs to be upfront about what he wants, other than the simple, "I want to be a hero." He needs to explain his feelings more. Which is probably what we'll get in the next chapter when he pleads with his mother to let him go.
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Can't you argue that one of the most important roles of a parent is to override a child's desires based on greater experience?
Yeah, in a normal real world scenario.
In a world full of superpowers and villians with people being victimized by them? Not so much. Especially when her son is "the chosen one" with the power to stop supervillians.
Izuku hasn't done the same either. He lied to his mother and went into a high-risk mission just last arc.
Yes, to SAVE other people.
He was extraordinary selfless unlike his mother who only cares about her personal comfort. It's exactly like chi-chi from dragonball, trying to prevent her superpowered son from saving the world.
Deku wants to help people, to the point he rushed into a situation in the start of the manga without a quirk that had all might not been there he most certainly would have died. Quirk or no quirk, support or no support, this is who he is and nothing will change that. His mother is trying to stymie that strictly because she wants the comfort of her bouncing baby boy being around her and the rest of the world's suffering is meaningless to her.
She's denying him growth as a individual, so he can remain as a pet/toy/comfort to herself. Pure selfishness.
Her only saving grace is that she's ignorant to the truth of one for all. If she knew about everything that went down with it's passage to her son she'd have a very different opinion.
On another note, a huge piss-off I'm seeing in the world setting is this constant blaming of the heros for the criminal's actions. Everytime the school gets attacked they blame the victims(the school) instead of the villians. It's absurd scapegoating and finger pointing to an extreme. Especially considering the mastermind behind the attacks was a legendary supervillian that conquered the whole country at one time. It's like these people get saved and the first thing out of their mouths is: "It's about time."
Yeah, they're ignorant and don't have the full story, but so what? Several hero teachers nearly lost their lives protecting the kids and then they're forced to go in front of the press and bow their heads in apology? Personally, I would have table flipped and told such a selfish ungrateful public to protect themselves from now on. Self-entitled people that have the gall to criticize having their lives saved don't deserve jack squat.