I love this cover, it's definetely my favourite one in a long time. It isn't too much crowded, it has beautiful colours and inspires joy and adventure :wub:
Volume 82 Predictions/Discussion
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I'm really satisfied with this volume's cover. Design wise, One Piece covers never really impressed me much (they often just feel like a huge bunch of arc characters lumped together) and I am not really a big fan of overtly bright shades.
This ones monochromatic background and soothing watercolour style palette was gentle and a delight to the eyes. While most of the covers meant to convey a sense of action, this one felt very adventure orientated (my favourite aspect of One Piece). Vivi spreading her hands at the background was also a nice touch, it fits well with the title 'A World Abuzz' which is most likely a reference to the Reverie - a potentially major turning point in the story, and gives the readers just the right dose of nostalgia.
The sight of Pekoms tied to Luffy's backpack gave me a small chuckle, too. Didn't expect him to be wearing purple bag-pants, though.
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@le:
The sight of Pekoms tied to Luffy's backpack gave me a small chuckle, too. Didn't expect him to be wearing purple bag-pants, though.
That's his regular pink uniform pants I believe. His shirt is the one that has been switched to something more red.
Still no idea what Nami is holding.
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She is holding a small vivre card inside a glass container (kinda like a miniature version of the one Barto is keeping Luffy's). The vivre card must belong to Pekoms and it's what they used to go to Whole Cake Island.
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That cover is absolutely gorgeous.
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Am I the only one who thinks Jinbe doesn't need a particular position in the crew?
He has a ROLE, but a narrative one more than a literal one.
He's the cliche of the former boss character, which is roughly how Oda himself phrased early hints about it.
He doesn't quite fit? Because he was never an antagonist? But that's the basic idea.Practically speaking I think he plays more into the following roles:
-World scale authority figure now in the crew, a symbol of how far they've come
-Guy with lots of prestige and connections in the crew (similar to above)
-Dude with zero issues with water, kind of all along this has been a desirable trait
-Fishman, so he's also showcasing the inter-racial credibility of Luffy and those that follow him.
-And lastly: Helmsman lol–- Update From New Post Merge ---
@le:
I'm really satisfied with this volume's cover. Design wise, One Piece covers never really impressed me much (they often just feel like a huge bunch of arc characters lumped together) and I am not really a big fan of overtly bright shades.
They have for awhile, but really look back to the cover art golden age of like…Volume 8-37. He used to be so thoughtful about what characters and colors he used.
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@Monkey:
He's the cliche of the former boss character, which is roughly how Oda himself phrased early hints about it.
He doesn't quite fit? Because he was never an antagonist? But that's the basic idea.This sounds interesting, and I can't recall seeing any hints Oda dropped about Jinbe or a former boss. Not outside of the Manga at least, which is what your post implied. What did Oda say exactly in these early hints?
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This sounds interesting, and I can't recall seeing any hints Oda dropped about Jinbe or a former boss. Not outside of the Manga at least, which is what your post implied. What did Oda say exactly in these early hints?
The hint is now kind of wrong partly. But its the first comment here.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=30500 Clearly such a character didn't join before the New World and go with them, but Oda's had to change plans before (constant references to things going longer than he planned for instance).
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@Kaido:
Best guess is the Log Pose
she already has the tripose on her wrist
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Nice cover! I like it.
Wonder if the European editions will change the direction they're running towards to. -
Nice cover! I like it.
Wonder if the European editions will change the direction they're running towards to.Why would that happened.
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@Monkey:
Why would that happened.
Because we read from left to right, when Japanese (among other oriental nations) read from right to left.
The "right" symbolizes the future in our culture.A few examples of paintings/propaganda signs that illustrate this perfectly.
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(Otto Dix)
This is why I'd find it more appropriate for European editions to have Luffy and his crew face the right and not the left.
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Because we read from left to right, when Japanese (among other oriental nations) read from right to left.
The "right" symbolizes the future in our culture.A few examples of paintings/propaganda signs that illustrate this perfectly.
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(Otto Dix)
http://cf067b.medialib.glogster.com/media/75/757457d92800cfb02942c16f4f22a5452010193453ea10caa9b229a7ef1cfa13/onepeopleonereich-jpg.jpg
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~heale20k/Propaganda/Soviet_Propaganda_Posters_files/droppedImage_4.jpgThis is why I'd find it more appropriate for European editions to have Luffy and his crew face the right and not the left.
By this logic, it would be the same in other western countries.
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By this logic, it would be the same in other western countries.
Yes, it would.
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Flipping the cover might have made sense if the western editions were flipping the entire comic for left to right reading, but the fact is, they're not. No cover in English I've ever seen has flipped a single cover. Hell, even the Japanese text on the newspaper of vol 70's cover wasn't touched.
I don't think the symbolism is as lost as you think, anyway. The crew is still moving forward, and the way the background colour fades to white in the top left corner gives the impression of the sun or some light source up there the crew is moving towards. Not to mention the fact that flipping the art would create issues with things like Luffy's face scar being on the wrong side and Nami wearing the log pose on the wrong arm. All in all it's just kind of a ridiculous idea that any western edition would flip the cover.
Actually, as an interesting side note, the English volumes of Akira have flipped art on the inside but even they left the covers untouched, so on the front of volume 5 it looks like Tetsuo's prosthetic arm is on the wrong side. Flip everything or flip nothing, basically.
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Because we read from left to right, when Japanese (among other oriental nations) read from right to left.
The "right" symbolizes the future in our culture.Yeah uh…how do you think we do it in the US lol.
But our manga is flipped Japanese style so that the images are kept the way they were drawn.
Its been that way for 15 or so years as the standard by now, I assumed European publishers were doing the same thing?This is why I'd find it more appropriate for European editions to have Luffy and his crew face the right and not the left
If you ever find overly involved cultural psychology leading you to conclusions like this, you are overthinking it and wildly underestimating the adaptability of the human mind.
Christ dude. If you're opening the book in the direction of the running characters it still communicates forward momentum. -
Vivi on the cover makes me so happy.
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Oh man, that's the best cover in a long while. Not littered with a ton of characters, which I've grown sick of like 15 volumes ago. Good colours too.
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@Monkey:
Yeah uh…how do you think we do it in the US lol.
But our manga is flipped Japanese style so that the images are kept the way they were drawn.
Its been that way for 15 or so years as the standard by now, I assumed European publishers were doing the same thing?They are, at least in Germany.
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They are, at least in Germany.
Yup, same in France.
Loving the new cover! Vivi being on the cover is nice, even though she isn't in it for much.
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Flipping the cover might have made sense if the western editions were flipping the entire comic for left to right reading, but the fact is, they're not. No cover in English I've ever seen has flipped a single cover. Hell, even the Japanese text on the newspaper of vol 70's cover wasn't touched.
I don't think the symbolism is as lost as you think, anyway. The crew is still moving forward, and the way the background colour fades to white in the top left corner gives the impression of the sun or some light source up there the crew is moving towards. Not to mention the fact that flipping the art would create issues with things like Luffy's face scar being on the wrong side and Nami wearing the log pose on the wrong arm. All in all it's just kind of a ridiculous idea that any western edition would flip the cover.You're absolutely right.
@Monkey:
Yeah uh…how do you think we do it in the US lol.
Why is it that you react in such an aggressive way? I know its also the case in the US, I was simply explaining why I was wondering if the volume cover would be flipped or not.
@Monkey:
But our manga is flipped Japanese style so that the images are kept the way they were drawn.
Its been that way for 15 or so years as the standard by now, I assumed European publishers were doing the same thing?Yes, they have. Except for new editions of Dragon Ball, and maybe other manga.
@Monkey:
If you ever find overly involved cultural psychology leading you to conclusions like this, you are overthinking it and wildly underestimating the adaptability of the human mind.
I don't even understand this statement. Of course the human mind can adapt: you understand they're running "towards" something and not "away" from something, but still, it's called "symbolic", used by artists since the dawn of time.
@Monkey:
Christ dude. If you're opening the book in the direction of the running characters it still communicates forward momentum.
True.
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I don't even understand this statement. Of course the human mind can adapt: you understand they're running "towards" something and not "away" from something, but still, it's called "symbolic", used by artists since the dawn of time.
Running toward something is the image, and if the readers are perceiving them running toward something that's the entire 100% point.
Vague subconscious comprehension of left or right mattering may or may not actually exist in people's heads, but I don't think that even matters at all when the book is opening in the direction of the running, left or right. -
For the heck of it I decided to flip the image.
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I wont lie, I prefer the flipped version, even if the art loses some of it's beauty.
Granted, it's just an image being flipped over, but I find stuff like this interesting. If you presented the images to someone who's never read manga or anything else that goes from right to left, I wonder if they'd feel there's a difference or if they're neutral.
Right or left, it's a great cover.
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@Zar:
If you presented the images to someone who's never read manga or anything else that goes from right to left, I wonder if they'd feel there's a difference or if they're neutral.
I'm convinced they would feel a difference. Heroes facing the "right" would seem more natural to them, if the cover only is presented.
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@Zar:
For the heck of it I decided to flip the image.
and original
Huh, now this is interesting. I liked the cover already as it was, but the flipped version feels just… right.
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@Zar:
I wont lie, I prefer the flipped version, even if the art loses some of it's beauty.
Not when you're opening the book from the left. Then it would feel awkward and backwards all over again.
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I think the new volume cover looks great, and it's nice to see Vivi there as well! The cover seems to show all of them going on a "journey", and it fits well with what's going on in the manga.
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Since manga opens from left to right, the original cover works better because it naturally directs the reader's eye to open the book.
The group and Vivi are facing/running toward the left as if to say "we're heading off to a new adventure. Turn the page and read ahead." -
Wow the flipped version is so much better. It really feels like they are going ahead to a new adventure while the original feels like they are going back, as if this whole arc was just a side trip or detour in the wait of Kaido's saga. And Vivi looking at the bright future just feel right. Honestly there is no debate, the flipped version is better. Oda probably didn't think about it but that's not a big deal in the end.
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I agree with Monkey King though: It only 'feels' right because we are so accustomed to reading from left to right in Western culture. If you only flip the cover page, but leave the rest of book in its original Japanese reading direction, it would feel really strange. The characters have to face in the same direction that the book opens in in this case, otherwise it would look completely weird and not achieve that effect of looking like they are running towards their new adventure. But I guess everyone preferring the flipped version is a good argument for actually changing the direction Mangas are read in the Western World.
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The characters have to face in the same direction that the book opens in in this case, otherwise it would look completely weird and not achieve that effect of looking like they are running towards their new adventure.
It would not look weird at all, what the hell.
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It would not look weird at all, what the hell.
Yes it would. It's better they are facing the way the reader will open the book. That's exactly why Oda choose this direction in the first place.
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It would look less good but it would not look very weird.
Eitherway there is no problem since reversing images isn't done for One Piece anymore
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@Zar:
For the heck of it I decided to flip the image.
and original
I wont lie, I prefer the flipped version, even if the art loses some of it's beauty.
Granted, it's just an image being flipped over, but I find stuff like this interesting. If you presented the images to someone who's never read manga or anything else that goes from right to left, I wonder if they'd feel there's a difference or if they're neutral.
Right or left, it's a great cover.
Luffy's scar would be under the wrong eye
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Wow the flipped version is so much better. It really feels like they are going ahead to a new adventure while the original feels like they are going back, as if this whole arc was just a side trip or detour in the wait of Kaido's saga. And Vivi looking at the bright future just feel right. Honestly there is no debate, the flipped version is better. Oda probably didn't think about it but that's not a big deal in the end.
There is one, and it's been going on on this very page. I prefer the original version, because it's facing the correct way for its original language, and because them facing left feels unique in the scheme of One Piece covers. Perhaps people partly feel this way because there's so many instances in the anime openings of them running to the right on horizons?
It would not look weird at all, what the hell.
That's a neat opinion. Neither looks weird, but the original looks better.
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If we consider they are facing the same direction they were when leaving Zou to Totland, the original makes more sense.
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I may be right-handed and American, but I've never understood associating going right with going forward.
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@Kaido:
I may be right-handed and American, but I've never understood associating going right with going forward.
It's apparently a subconscious thing, which makes me wonder if Oda was really thinking that hard when he decided to have them face left.
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@Bond:
It's apparently a subconscious thing, which makes me wonder if Oda was really thinking that hard when he decided to have them face left.
Since he's Japanese, it's only natural he oriented them towards the left.
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@Kaido:
I may be right-handed and American, but I've never understood associating going right with going forward.
It's an idea that the direction a person reads in will determine how they see images. Since most westerners read from left to right, the theory is that westerners feel people facing/walking right are going forward or facing the future, just like you turn the right page to see what happens next.
There's research out there about this, but I don't care enough to look it up.
I prefer the flipped version as a stand-alone image, but for the book I think the original works better. I don't want them to ever return to flipping the entire books either, it would make many panels look wrong, ruin details, create inconsistencies and most of all I like manga to stay as close to the original as possible.
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Ah, my most favorite manga
ICE PENO -
You guys realize what you´re talking about for pages now, right?!
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Ah, my most favorite mangaICE PENO
Featuring Yfful on his quest to find the legendary ice penguin. Rumors say its adorableness can bring even Akainu to his knees.
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@Zar:
It's an idea that the direction a person reads in will determine how they see images. Since most westerners read from left to right, the theory is that westerners feel people facing/walking right are going forward or facing the future, just like you turn the right page to see what happens next.
There's research out there about this, but I don't care enough to look it up.
I prefer the flipped version as a stand-alone image, but for the book I think the original works better. I don't want them to ever return to flipping the entire books either, it would make many panels look wrong, ruin details, create inconsistencies and most of all I like manga to stay as close to the original as possible.
I see. Given that I'm not naturally able to immediately distinguish left from right might be why I haven't had that sensation. Also I read manga now much more than regular comic books so now I sometimes accidentally read comics from left to right :p
But back on the subject at hand, I seriously doubt Viz would flip anything, they're pretty adamant about retaining the original manga style which is why they put a PSA in the back of every volume they publish.
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It would not look weird at all, what the hell.
You would't notice it, but your brain would.
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In terms of One Piece, East is actually kinda the "forward direction" in terms of the Grand Line in the intended journey from beginning to end. But in this case (departing Zou) we really have no idea which direction they are going anymore given that there's no clues on where Totland/Whole Cake is in relation to Zou (in its present location). They could be going due North or due South or even West. Since they hardly use Log Poses anymore, it's hard to say anymore unless it is stated they are getting closer to Raftel or a map is shown.
If we're talking about reading direction, naturally it leads to a subconscious reflect of expecting the "beginning" to be on the far left and the "end" to be on the far right although this is generally in terms of illustrating time and writing sequentially.
In the same sense, the top can often also be depicted as a beginning and the bottom the end as seen in some illustrated chronographs where the top depicts the most distant historical event and the bottom the most recent event or even planned events or predictions. As such, top-to-bottom tends to be more universal if not more common.
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I was hoping for predictions, just saw an irrelevant discussion about the cover page
oh snap