@Monkey:
You linked to the entire Volume 60 when she asked for a line of dialogue lol.
Huh, I see it as a single chapter but who knows!
@Monkey:
You linked to the entire Volume 60 when she asked for a line of dialogue lol.
Huh, I see it as a single chapter but who knows!
Well, entire vol.60 or entire chapter, I still found the page. :)
When sabo is think about his family
http://manga.life/read-online/OnePiece/chapter-585/index-1
Thank you, I had forgotten the exact context there. I remembered they wanted Sabo to improve their chances of upward mobility. But forgot that his father wanted him to 'be good enough to marry a royal'.
Who do you think will be the main security force at the Reverie. An admira(or Akinau himeself), the CP0 or a combination of the two?
Who do you think will be the main security force at the Reverie. An admira(or Akinau himeself), the CP0 or a combination of the two?
I wonder about that too. Just how well protected is Mariejoa and who is protecting it? I suppose you could say Kong is there - but we don't know how strong he is given how old he is now, 1 would expect still pretty powerful..
I wonder about that too. Just how well protected is Mariejoa and who is protecting it? I suppose you could say Kong is there - but we don't know how strong he is given how old he is now, 1 would expect still pretty powerful..
Funny I was just thinking about Kong before I came back to this thread. It would be foolish to think Kong is no longer a threat fighting wise. He is the commander-in-chief for a reason. Also I remember some members doubting that Sengoku could fight before chapter 0 came out. Let's not make the same mistake again. I have faith that he Gourosi are not going to be complacent with security just because Mariejoa is on top of the red line. After all they witnessed Latiffe entering Mariejoa with minimal effort.
Funny I was just thinking about Kong before I came back to this thread. It would be foolish to think Kong is no longer a threat fighting wise. He is the commander-in-chief for a reason. Also I remember some members doubting that Sengoku could fight before chapter 0 came out. Let's not make the same mistake again. I have faith that he Gourosi are not going to be complacent with security just because Mariejoa is on top of the red line. After all they witnessed Latiffe entering Mariejoa with minimal effort.
Oda has shown us a certain pattern:
Garp: old and BA*
Sengoku: old and BA
Rayleigh: old and BA
WB: old and BA
Kong: old and …
*) BA = BadAss
IMO we can assume that Kong still kicks some ass.
After all he was fleet Admiral somewhen in the past. That means he had to be Admiral beforehand. IDK if that meant much before the great Age of piracy, but I guess he was a beast among the marines.
Oh, and I forgot about DonChinjao and Lao G. I think they are badass too.
Sabo's parents were all about reaching a higher status by marring Sabo to a princess but We know what happened. Stelly fulfilling that desire will feel that void, and to be honest he can assist the Reviere even as an adviser.
Do you think Stelly is just a flashback character?
I have no objections one way or the other to Stelly having greater importance.
What I'm taking issue with is you being the one to write off a character as some one off flashback plot device. A character bizarrely depicted and hidden from us in all three otherwise superfluous panels he shows up in.
@Monkey:
I have no objections one way or the other to Stelly having greater importance.
What I'm taking issue with is you being the one to write off a character as some one off flashback plot device. A character bizarrely depicted and hidden from us in all three otherwise superfluous panels he shows up in.
Regarding "just a flashback character"
Would have anyone thought to ever see Koala again?
I'm also amused that instead of "MYSTERY KING FROM LUFFY, GARP AND DRAGON'S HOMELAND???" he's more interested in everyone's favorite character, Stelly.
Regarding "just a flashback character"
Would have anyone thought to ever see Koala again?
Oh man yes! I couldn't wait to see her again especially since her and Jinbe will have an exchange as important as the one he had with Nami. I fully expected to see her grown up with a very positive relationship with fishmen. Seeing her with Hack was one thing but fully adopting their style of martial arts? That I certainly didn't expect or even assumed was possible.
I think someone even predicted she would one day learn the truth about Tiger and join the revolutionaries.
Regarding "just a flashback character"
Would have anyone thought to ever see Koala again?
Well yeah. If you go back to threads at the time, most of us assumed she'd be coming back. It was pretty obvious, since that was a key element of Jinbe's history and development. Especially since her age at the time of the flashback put her at ideal protagonist age in the current.
WHen and where she showed up again (almost immediately and with the revolutionaries) was a bit of a surprise that no one could have fairly predicted, but a Koala that had grown up happy thanks to Tiger's sacrifice and being a human that was totally cool with fishmen was a no brainer. Now, her meeting Jinbe again should be a thing at some point.
@Monkey:
I have no objections one way or the other to Stelly having greater importance.
What I'm taking issue with is you being the one to write off a character as some one off flashback plot device. A character bizarrely depicted and hidden from us in all three otherwise superfluous panels he shows up in.
I'm not writing him off as a flashback character since I even mentioned that I really don't picture him being 'SICK' and even suggested that Stelly can very well be an adviser.
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@Monkey:
I'm also amused that instead of "MYSTERY KING FROM LUFFY, GARP AND DRAGON'S HOMELAND???" he's more interested in everyone's favorite character, Stelly.
I don't see the problem of being interested in a character whose whole LIFE has been written for him and one that was introduced as the adopted brother of one who escaped that fate in a world where freedom is the ultimate goal.
I'm not writing him off as a flashback character since I even mentioned that I really don't picture him being 'SICK' and even suggested that Stelly can very well be an adviser.
Alright, it sounded like you were saying that he didn't have to show up at all and we'd get Stelly instead by himself.
I don't see the problem of being interested in a character whose whole LIFE has been written for him and one that was introduced as the adopted brother of one who escaped that fate in a world where freedom is the ultimate goal.
Compared to the possibilities with mystery Goa king?
Have you ever wondered what Luffy's maternal side of the family might be? Ten bucks says that king is involved in that.
@Monkey:
Alright, it sounded like you were saying that he didn't have to show up at all and we'd get Stelly instead by himself.
Compared to the possibilities with mystery Goa king?
Have you ever wondered what Luffy's maternal side of the family might be? Ten bucks says that king is involved in that.
You seem pretty sure. Is it Dragon's words about the country or is there something else?
You seem pretty sure. Is it Dragon's words about the country or is there something else?
I think it reeks of what's going on, and makes good story sense among other things.
There has to be something very substantial to the character with Oda being that evasive in showing the kings face beyond just the bottom in the one panel of him sleeping.
I mean we're talking a panel with Oda positioning the speech balloon over his entire head, which is huge levels of being deliberately secretive.
Dragon's words hint (no matter what one thinks) to substantially more backstory in the Goa kingdom than what we saw. That unquestionably involves the society of the kingdom. Which unquestionably will involve the royal family sitting atop that. Which inevitably comes back to Oda being uncharacteristically secretive about the king's facial features.
If I had to guess exactly, I'd say the king of Goa is Luffy's maternal grandfather. And Dragon has some tragic backstory involving Luffy's mom and class issues.
@Monkey:
I think it reeks of what's going on, and makes good story sense among other things.
There has to be something very substantial to the character with Oda being that evasive in showing the kings face beyond just the bottom in the one panel of him sleeping.
I mean we're talking a panel with Oda positioning the speech balloon over his entire head, which is huge levels of being deliberately secretive.Dragon's words hint (no matter what one thinks) to substantially more backstory in the Goa kingdom than what we saw. That unquestionably involves the society of the kingdom. Which unquestionably will involve the royal family sitting atop that. Which inevitably comes back to Oda being uncharacteristically secretive about the king's facial features.
If I had to guess exactly, I'd say the king of Goa is Luffy's maternal grandfather. And Dragon has some tragic backstory involving Luffy's mom and class issues.
Well that could be Dragon's motivation for revolution.
@Monkey:
I think it reeks of what's going on, and makes good story sense among other things.
There has to be something very substantial to the character with Oda being that evasive in showing the kings face beyond just the bottom in the one panel of him sleeping.
I mean we're talking a panel with Oda positioning the speech balloon over his entire head, which is huge levels of being deliberately secretive.Dragon's words hint (no matter what one thinks) to substantially more backstory in the Goa kingdom than what we saw. That unquestionably involves the society of the kingdom. Which unquestionably will involve the royal family sitting atop that. Which inevitably comes back to Oda being uncharacteristically secretive about the king's facial features.
If I had to guess exactly, I'd say the king of Goa is Luffy's maternal grandfather. And Dragon has some tragic backstory involving Luffy's mom and class issues.
Just so everyone is clear I actually thought this first but just never wrote it down. So in like 6 years when all this comes to complete fruition just remember that this theory was brought to you by not Monkey King.
I tougth that dragon's revolution ran deeper, that he actually was in the WG as a cp agent or a rear admiral before his betrayal.
While the goa heir theory is perfectly valid, it doesn't point to "let's break the world" unless a celestial dragon was involved.
Just so everyone is clear I actually thought this first but just never wrote it down. So in like 6 years when all this comes to complete fruition just remember that this theory was brought to you by not Monkey King.
You were not the first people since people have been saying the reason Dragon became a revolutionary was that his wife died people have been saying that for longer than 6 years before luffys flashback happened since people were using it as the excuse for him leaving the marines/cp9 type goverment group back then it was talked about before luffy's flashback ever happened you could even find posts dating back older than 6 years on this forum about luffys mom dying and dragon turning into a revolutionary and this is not the only forum i even saw it posted on i saw it posted on the mangastream forums and it would have been posted on the japanese forums as well since they have more people talking about one piece than the rest of the world lol.
People said it a lot at the end cp9 arc when Garp said that Dragon was luffy's dad.
@sanji''s_dad:
You were not the first people since people have been saying the reason Dragon became a revolutionary was that his wife died people have been saying that for longer than 6 years before luffys flashback happened since people were using it as the excuse for him leaving the marines/cp9 type goverment group back then it was talked about before luffy's flashback ever happened you could even find posts dating back older than 6 years on this forum about luffys mom dying and dragon turning into a revolutionary and this is not the only forum i even saw it posted on i saw it posted on the mangastream forums and it would have been posted on the japanese forums as well since they have more people talking about one piece than the rest of the world lol.
People said it a lot at the end cp9 arc when Garp said that Dragon was luffy's dad.
Just so everyone is clear I actually thought all these things first way before all these people, I just never wrote them down. So by the time the story is all said and done and all these things come to complete fruition just remember these theories were all brought to you by not these people Sanji's Dad is referring to.
The way I remember it, one verison of the theory came out during the first SA, with the reveal of the Tenryuubito.
Many people were guessing that Dragon's wife was killed by a Tenryuubito. They thought maybe it was similar to Marie, that nurse St. Charloss thought was pretty and decided on the spot she would be his newest wife. Only theory was that Dragon's wife refused and was killed.
Monkey King's comment of Dragon's wife related to the king of Goa is the first time I've heard that version of "Dragon formed the Revs due to wife's death/disappearance". It's first time that I thought Dragon's "class/caste issue' could be similar to Kyros & Scarlett - he's from lower ranks while she's noble.
@Monkey:
I think it reeks of what's going on, and makes good story sense among other things.
There has to be something very substantial to the character with Oda being that evasive in showing the kings face beyond just the bottom in the one panel of him sleeping.
I mean we're talking a panel with Oda positioning the speech balloon over his entire head, which is huge levels of being deliberately secretive.Dragon's words hint (no matter what one thinks) to substantially more backstory in the Goa kingdom than what we saw. That unquestionably involves the society of the kingdom. Which unquestionably will involve the royal family sitting atop that. Which inevitably comes back to Oda being uncharacteristically secretive about the king's facial features.
If I had to guess exactly, I'd say the king of Goa is Luffy's maternal grandfather. And Dragon has some tragic backstory involving Luffy's mom and class issues.
It's a longshot… It probably would be one of the only ways that introducing Luffy's mom wouldn't be out of nowhere...
Although, in hindsight, Luffy's mom being Dragon's sob story is pretty much a given.
And if the Goa king is involved in this, then it probably would confirm that the whole revolutionnaries/WG "civil war" will probably happens during the reverie which pretty much would make sense... Unless it's this reverie that the revos fail, then, next reverie, wisened Luffy comes to finish his dad job or something...
Well if Luffy's mom was Goa king's daughter,then we can at least rule out that she was a 'D' (not that it is necessary for her to be…..).
Well and I said… That Luffy's mom is the reason Dragon became a revo after all... Even while being Garp's son... Really can't wait to see Dragon's past and his relationship to Garp.
Maybe it isn't the best cuz Garp hasn't done anything in the past as he hasn't done much for Ace during the MHQ war.
But if we don't know how Luffy's mom Looks, what purpose is obscuring her father's (King goa) face?
Garp was another Story, cause his face was already shown in Oda's earlier works before OP (WANTED, i guess?).
EDIT: No , the story was called Romance Dawn. That is where "Garp 1.0" was shown and therefore he had that dog hat before he was revealed post-EL.
Gee, it sounds like a fine theory, but I hope it's not true. I hate it when the protagonist is made super special since birth. Grandson of a Marine hero, son of the leader of the rebellion, inheritor of the will of D, and now son of a princess? Just let Luffy kick ass for being Luffy.
Gee, it sounds like a fine theory, but I hope it's not true. I hate it when the protagonist is made super special since birth. Grandson of a Marine hero, son of the leader of the rebellion, inheritor of the will of D, and now son of a princess? Just let Luffy kick ass for being Luffy.
Actually that part practically amount to nothing compared to the previous ones..
Actually that part practically amount to nothing compared to the previous ones..
Still, at the beginning it was a boy who started from nothing who's aiming to become a world renown pirate, and with time we find out that this nothing is more something than most people ever had. If he's the grandchild of the king of Goa, he hypothetically has claiming rights on the Goa Kingdom. Not that he's ever gonna use them though.
Just so everyone is clear I actually thought this first but just never wrote it down. So in like 6 years when all this comes to complete fruition just remember that this theory was brought to you by not Monkey King.
Yeah i know, i thought about a rubber boy wanting to become pirate ages before Oda started one piece so just remember i deserve credit for one piece not Oda
Gee, it sounds like a fine theory, but I hope it's not true. I hate it when the protagonist is made super special since birth. Grandson of a Marine hero, son of the leader of the rebellion, inheritor of the will of D, and now son of a princess? Just let Luffy kick ass for being Luffy.
I got the same Feeling bout that. One half of him is a D. and the other half a "rotten" royal? Feels unfitting.
I'd really like to see Stelly at the Reverie. He maybe married a child of king Goa. Stelly was a really disgusting character and would be of quite the same Age as Luffy right now. And Oda is perfect in creating nd developing both adorable and despicable chars.
The King of Goa being related to Luffy is an idea I'm not very keen on but it's possible…
I more or less expect Luffy's mom and Goa playing a role in Dragon's backstory. But the whole Luffy's mom being the princess of Goa..eeehhhh...it sound like a terrible idea to me. I don't know..maybe I will change my mind when it does happen...
@mbaruh- I don't think bastard's children have claim to throne...
The King of Goa being related to Luffy is an idea I'm not very keen on but it's possible…
I more or less expect Luffy's mom and Goa playing a role in Dragon's backstory. But the whole Luffy's mom being the princess of Goa..eeehhhh...it sound like a terrible idea to me. I don't know..maybe I will change my mind when it does happen...@mbaruh- I don't think bastard's children have claim to throne...
One piece already lacks in the princess departement. We need far more princesses in the series. Nami is probably a princess as well and would have become one, if Nojiko didn't kidnap her in the mids of war.
@mbaruh- I don't think bastard's children have claim to throne…
Is he a bastard? they could elope.
The King of Goa being related to Luffy is an idea I'm not very keen on but it's possible…
I more or less expect Luffy's mom and Goa playing a role in Dragon's backstory. But the whole Luffy's mom being the princess of Goa..eeehhhh...it sound like a terrible idea to me. I don't know..maybe I will change my mind when it does happen...@mbaruh- I don't think bastard's children have claim to throne...
Anyway The Goa king's identity remains a mystery until the Reverie. We can only be sure that he is pro-WG, whereas people like Icebarg or Vivi could be con-WG (Because of the shichibukai and the likes of Spandam).
The motives for Dragon becoming a Revolutionary might be connected to the Goa king, but Dragon having a kid wit his daughter, IDK. Maybe, if it wasn't legitimated by her father. That would Luffy turn into a basterd-child which I would feel better with.
I still don't get why Goa King's face was obscured the whole flashback. In the night of the fire on the other Hand we saw the lower half of his face (ch. 587, pg 16) whereas before his whole head was obscured (ch. 587, pg 3).
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That would be a good Motive for Dragon:
He and the princess fell in love, but their love was forbidden because of class-differences.
When she became pregnant the king found out and she ran way or sth.
Dragon took care of Luffy/or gave Luffy to Garp, his mom thought she was welcome at home again after she "gave away that basterd", but instead her father killed her for that "sin". Or let someone assassinate her or whatever.
Would be reason enough for Dragon to question the whole monarchy/WG-System, don't you think?
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Dragon took care of Luffy/or gave Luffy to Garp, his mom thought she was welcome at home again after she "gave away that basterd", but instead her father killed her for that "sin". Or let someone assassinate her or whatever.
err….no.Oda will never make Luffy's mom a quitter....NEVER.
If we indeed see her and learn of her story,i expect her to be portrayed more in the line of Portages D Rouge....
@Monkey:
Compared to the possibilities with mystery Goa king?
Of course Goa's King will have a greater importance than rotten Stelly
Have you ever wondered what Luffy's maternal side of the family might be? Ten bucks says that king is involved in that.
I haven't really applied much thoughts to that side of the story since I always believed that IF we're going to adventure in it, it will be once Luffy meets Dragon, so I just let it come in due time.
Now, Dragon becoming a Revo because a Tenryou killed his wife is kinda Narutish, but I can definitely picture him becoming one because of Goa.
One piece already lacks in the princess departement. We need far more princesses in the series. Nami is probably a princess as well and would have become one, if Nojiko didn't kidnap her in the mids of war.
It wasn't in the mids of war, it was the aftermath with few survivors that both kids were roaming the ruins and came across a badly injured Bellemere.
… oh wait were you were being sarcastic? if so Sorry didn't catch it there it sounded too serious
err….no.Oda will never make Luffy's mom a quitter....NEVER.
If we indeed see her and learn of her story,i expect her to be portrayed more in the line of Portages D Rouge....
Maybe she ran away with Dragon in order to make a Family with him, and her father sends assassins to kill her. IDK, I just try to find a suiting way for Luffy having a "royal" mom who is the daughter of the mysterious Goa king.
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One piece already lacks in the princess departement. We need far more princesses in the series. Nami is probably a princess as well and would have become one, if Nojiko didn't kidnap her in the mids of war.
How many princesses do you Need? We had Shirahoshi, then Rebecca and Mansherry. And those are just the ones post-TS.
Or your post was meant to be sarcastic.
Just so everyone is clear I actually thought this first but just never wrote it down. So in like 6 years when all this comes to complete fruition just remember that this theory was brought to you by not Monkey King.
This isn't the first time I've posted this thought lol.
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I tougth that dragon's revolution ran deeper, that he actually was in the WG as a cp agent or a rear admiral before his betrayal.
While the goa heir theory is perfectly valid, it doesn't point to "let's break the world" unless a celestial dragon was involved.
Who said that story had to be the end all be all of Dragon's motivations and backstory.
It's not hard to see that even without a personal sob story, how the situation in Goa could spur one to start thinking in the direction of the Revolutionaries.
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But if we don't know how Luffy's mom Looks, what purpose is obscuring her father's (King goa) face?
1. Because what she looked like is irrelevant if the issue is similarities between Luffy and King Grandad.
2. It's weird to fully reveal a character that's super duper important so easily as that. The only example I can think of with Oda doing that is Rayleigh, and even there it's a different scenario than with relatives. For an example that matches, look how Oda obscured Garp's face throughout the Coby/Helmeppo cover story. It would have been odd to just show Garp outright when his identity was so big.
3. To dangle something mysterious in the face of the readers. Suspense writing 101. None of the three panels of the king are necessary at all to the story, hell one just shows him sleeping.
4. He has to be someone important to have Oda being suspenseful about it in the first place. There is no reason whatsoever to not show him if he was just some random local king. In Norland's flashback Oda didn't remotely try and hide the Lyneel King did he? Why would he? To so deliberately hide his face has to have a reason.
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Gee, it sounds like a fine theory, but I hope it's not true. I hate it when the protagonist is made super special since birth. Grandson of a Marine hero, son of the leader of the rebellion, inheritor of the will of D, and now son of a princess? Just let Luffy kick ass for being Luffy.
Being the likely rejected bastard child of a small backwater monarchy really isn't remotely a big deal compared to those other two things.
I actually don't think I ever really put much thought into Dragon's past. When people say interesting or insightful things I like to "steal" the credit.
Anyway The Goa king's identity remains a mystery until the Reverie. We can only be sure that he is pro-WG, whereas people like Icebarg or Vivi could be con-WG (Because of the shichibukai and the likes of Spandam).
Ah yes, king Iceberg of Water 7, I can't wait to see him at the Reverie, the event held for monarchs of the world to meet. Such as the crowned head that rules the kingdom of Water 7.
The motives for Dragon becoming a Revolutionary might be connected to the Goa king, but Dragon having a kid wit his daughter, IDK. Maybe, if it wasn't legitimated by her father. That would Luffy turn into a basterd-child which I would feel better with.
I'm surprised I even have to say this, but yeah…obviously the situation with Luffy being the product of Dragon and a Goa princess would be a scandalous thing where the relationship was taboo as hell, and the product of it naturally rejected all the more so.
Goes without saying.
I feel spoiled reading this thread :(
While yeah, Iceberg is no king, who reigns over that cluster of islands? Is Sant Poplar or whatever the other islands are named a kingdom and the neighboring islands are vasals? What about Cocoyashi, Syrup, Shell Town, Logue Town? Is the Goa kingdom the soverign over ALL east blue? There are more Kingdoms there?
Marines have power there, bases, and agents are compeled to take care of criminal activities over there, and in order to get to 140 countries, then we can't have just one big kingdom for each blue. So elected officers don't get to go? Dalton is an elected leader, and he is (most likely) going.
@Monkey:
Ah yes, king Iceberg of Water 7, I can't wait to see him at the Reverie, the event held for monarchs of the world to meet. Such as the crowned head that rules the kingdom of Water 7.
I'm on a reread but I haven't yet reached the part where the reverie is mentioned, so I can't be sure on the phrasing. Was it confirmed that the attendees have to be proper monarchs - so not just "world leaders" - in such a way that it rules out Iceberg attending? And what about elected kings, like Dalton?
While yeah, Iceberg is no king, who reigns over that cluster of islands?
He's mayor of Water 7, so he's the guy who "reigns" over it.
The Reverie was never said to be a gathering of all world rulers of every kind. It's for monarchs. Given that the WG has such a nobility centrism baked into it's structure and history I don't think we should be surprised about this.
Is Sant Poplar or whatever the other islands are named a kingdom and the neighboring islands are vasals? What about Cocoyashi, Syrup, Shell Town, Logue Town? Is the Goa kingdom the soverign over ALL east blue? There are more Kingdoms there?
Marines have power there, bases, and agents are compeled to take care of criminal activities over there, and in order to get to 140 countries, then we can't have just one big kingdom for each blue. So elected officers don't get to go? Dalton is an elected leader, and he is (most likely) going.
Why does everywhere have to be associated with a monarch? We've seen plenty of mayors in most smaller places or some sort of equivalent.
There's a world government isn't there? All these little towns and islands are ultimately the same as little towns and communities in any real world country, except in this case the country is a massive world spanning empire.
If you're wondering about those places lacking political representation…well I'm not sure why you'd except the World Government to be a democratic entity?
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I'm on a reread but I haven't yet reached the part where the reverie is mentioned, so I can't be sure on the phrasing. Was it confirmed that the attendees have to be proper monarchs - so not just "world leaders" - in such a way that it rules out Iceberg attending? And what about elected kings, like Dalton?
It was directly mentioned at least twice in the Fishman Island arc alone that it was a meeting for kings. That's how Otohime described it in talking about petitioning for the island to go to the surface, and that's how Hody describes it for his plan of going as the new king and killing all the world kings when there.
And that's just that arc.
So you say that the WG and the elder stars are actualy the leaders over Water7, Jaya, Mayor Beedle and Genzo, anything within the WG but without an army or a king, but in an aliance with the kingdoms out there, like Goa, Lynel, Alabasta, Drum/Sakura/DarkDrum? That makes sense, except for Spandam's line of "over 140 countries under one flag", that we didn't actualy MEET a country until Drum and up to now we have only been in THREE member states (Drum, Alabasta and Dressrosa), and one wanting to get in.
Oh, Fishman Island, of the Ryugu Kingdom, a state that through signatures got into the WG aliance and the counsil of Kings.
I try to see the villages under countries, because It's the way that I'd do it if I were a king or what I think a King would do, I have an army, let me tax you and claim this land, I'll protect you and such, but that is closer to what the WG has done than anyone else. But then again, Goa that had it's own king and army, lets Garp claim direct protection to Fushia village.
What you say seems likely, but I'm just not certain yet.
So you say that the WG and the elder stars are actualy the leaders over Water7, Jaya, Mayor Beedle and Genzo, anything within the WG but without an army or a king
In the same way that Obama outranks my governor and mayor yes. I don't particularly see how this is hard to conceptualize? Is it easier for Americans (among others) because we have a huge country to think about this?
But heck Venezuela used to be controlled by a Spanish king half the world away from it, same idea more or less.
, but in an aliance with the kingdoms out there, like Goa, Lynel, Alabasta, Drum/Sakura/DarkDrum?
Alliance? Pretty damn sure the kingdoms are also subordinate to the WG as much as anywhere else. They might have certain privileges and so on, but they're still subjects of the WG, not allies. Considering the suggested semi-aggression the WG has toward non-member countries (letting the Shichibukai go buck wild on them), the idea of the WG being a proper voluntary "alliance" is kinda….eh. More like a mafia protection racket at best lol.
The best proof of this anyway is how even the royal family of Alabasta was worried about Vivi being seen to be a proven associate of the Strawhats, how they had to go way out of their way to symbolically say "goodbye we're still friends" to avoid incriminating her. So a princess and heir apparent is subject to WG law, and the Marines have jurisdiction to lay down the law there if need be.
That makes sense, except for Spandam's line of "over 140 countries under one flag",
I don't see how this means that every community in WG territory has to be part of one of those nations. Most real countries have their states/provinces/regions etc, and also land that is directly under the control of the central government as well.
An even better example is the British Empire in India, where they left lots of the land to local monarches (Princely States) that they still had power over, but the rest of the land was directly under British control.
Oh, Fishman Island, of the Ryugu Kingdom, a state that through signatures got into the WG aliance and the counsil of Kings.
It's not a counterexample of any of this…being as it's a kingdom.
This is all moot regardless because the Reverie is explicitly stated to be for kings multiple times by multiple characters.
I try to see the villages under countries, because It's the way that I'd do it if I were a king or what I think a King would do,
Why are you seeing this from the perspectives of the kings? Look at it from the perspective of the Gorosei.
But then again, Goa that had it's own king and army, lets Garp claim direct protection to Fushia village.
Again, the Marines are clearly shown to have jurisdiction within kingdoms and even over the monarchs. The Marines are the army of the WG, so naturally local kings can't really have too much sway over what they say or do.
@Monkey:
Being the likely rejected bastard child of a small backwater monarchy really isn't remotely a big deal compared to those other two things.
It's about how it accumulates, I'm already not too happy with Luffy being Dragon's son.
While yeah, Iceberg is no king, who reigns over that cluster of islands? Is Sant Poplar or whatever the other islands are named a kingdom and the neighboring islands are vasals? What about Cocoyashi, Syrup, Shell Town, Logue Town? Is the Goa kingdom the soverign over ALL east blue? There are more Kingdoms there?
Marines have power there, bases, and agents are compeled to take care of criminal activities over there, and in order to get to 140 countries, then we can't have just one big kingdom for each blue. So elected officers don't get to go? Dalton is an elected leader, and he is (most likely) going.
That is like saying the US president is not the leader of the US because he is not called a king lol.
While yeah, Iceberg is no king, who reigns over that cluster of islands? Is Sant Poplar or whatever the other islands are named a kingdom and the neighboring islands are vasals? What about Cocoyashi, Syrup, Shell Town, Logue Town? Is the Goa kingdom the soverign over ALL east blue? There are more Kingdoms there?
Marines have power there, bases, and agents are compeled to take care of criminal activities over there, and in order to get to 140 countries, then we can't have just one big kingdom for each blue. So elected officers don't get to go? Dalton is an elected leader, and he is (most likely) going.
You have a point of there are more kingdoms than are shown and some that are not called kingdoms, like Water 7, but are still considered part of the World Government. Literally, wasn't shown in the Water 7 arc? We do know that Iceburg has joined the WG so is recognized as a world leader.
But you weaken the argument by naming some towns/vilalges instead of the islands. While Lougetown is considered an island on itself, Syrup is not. It is the village that Usopp comes form, it is in the Gecko Islands.