Sure it' is. See what it means 'believable'? It's not the statement that that is going to happen. To know it we'll have to wait and see.
Yes, but that doesn't invalidate the evidence presented.
Because, apparently, all the things I link to mean nothing in the end if we always followed that train of logic where all possibilities are equal if they are believable to any extent.
I think Big Mom, among other things, will serve to show Luffy just how frightening a Yonko can be, pushing him into developing his techniques one step further right before the fight with Kaido.
I kind of want Jack to succeed in killing Zunisha to make things a bit more stark raving mad
Spoiler:
Ninja-Pirate-Mink Alliance! More evidence for me thank you.
I wonder when the reader will get the flashback of when Inuarashi and Nekomamushi first started fighting. Carrot wasn't even alive…how long ago was that and how old is she? Pedro, Wanda, and probably Sicilian will play some roles in the flashback. Jack is right around the corner...probably after he is dealt with.
Did those Minkmen just say they were going to party and now wake up whenever they want!? Unity!
I assume there was some sort of predicament that put someone in danger, and one of them chose to resolve it through some sacrifice the other couldn't accept.
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@Kaido:
I kind of want Jack to succeed in killing Zunisha to make things a bit more stark raving mad
He will probably make it kneel but it will ultimately survive.
Yes, but that doesn't invalidate the evidence presented.
Because, apparently, all the things I link to mean nothing in the end if we always followed that train of logic.
Sorry man, for what you say I can tell you don't know what it means. There is no unquestionable evidence to support a prediction over how a fictional story will going to go. In reading literature logical arguments are lest important than imagination.
Also the arguments I presented only pointed to show is not out-of-character if Luffy left his friends behind and goes for his other friend.
In literature everything is posible,specially if you tell it in a pleasant way. It's the logic of pleasure, not the logic of Aristotelian modus ponens.
@Kaido:
I kind of want Jack to succeed in killing Zunisha to make things a bit more stark raving mad
so you want the manga to end next chapter?
because if zunisha dies,everyone does,especially some rubbery devil fruit user
actually,with the tidal wave that would make,probably jack would end up committing suicide
@Kaido:
I kind of want Jack to succeed in killing Zunisha to make things a bit more stark raving mad
Me too.
Sure, the elephant is a historical relic, but at the same time, we can't expect it to live forever. In fact, it looks like it has been suffering for a while.
And how would he do that?
Like DD did to Oars jr. Or maybe one of those air slashes of mihawk scale, not small newb air slash at zoro's level.
Hey, jack didnt actually succeed in rescuing doflamingo right? Someone in this thread said he did. Lol. Now I'm confused. And I don't see why there's a need to debate luffy or zoro will take on jack. I feel that it might go both ways! We'll just have to wait!
Hey, jack actually succeed in rescuing doflamingo right? Someone in this thread said he did. Lol. Now I'm confused. And I don't see why there's a need to debate luffy or zoro will take on jack. I feel that it might go both ways! We'll just have to wait!
no he didn't succeed
so you want the manga to end next chapter?
because if zunisha dies,everyone does,especially some rubbery devil fruit useractually,with the tidal wave that would make,probably jack would end up committing suicide
Jack no care.
But if he did succed in killing Zunisha that would be some feat
Sorry man, for what you say I can tell you don't know what it means. There is no unquestionable evidence to support a prediction over how a fictional story will going to go. In reading literature logical arguments are lest important than imagination.
Also the arguments I presented only pointed to show is not out-of-character if Luffy left his friends behind and goes for his other friend.
In literature everything is posible,specially if you tell it in a pleasant way. It's the logic of pleasure, not the logic of Aristotelian modus ponens.
Then what's the point of literary devices like foreshadowing, which is all about laying clues on one's work in order to predict possible future events?
Sure, we can question the evidence, but that doesn't mean the evidence is useless. Oda puts those things there for a reason and he is famous exactly for doing that.
Imagination is one thing when it comes to ideas like character abilities, means of travel and general worldbuilding. It is another when it comes to writing stories, as those require a certain degree of logic in order to make sense.
Doesn't help that people here only want Luffy to go away so other people can get to shine. That's just putting personal wishes over the direction the story is seemingly going as well as character consistency.
It's not nice to call people crazy for not liking what you do not like. They may be saying the same about us if they don't like One Piece.
Bleach is complete utter shit, I haven't read it in two years and I doubt its any better now, if I see someone eat a turd I would say they are crazy or have bad taste, so that is the same thing, but my post was made in a joking tone anyway.
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so you want the manga to end next chapter?
because if zunisha dies,everyone does,especially some rubbery devil fruit useractually,with the tidal wave that would make,probably jack would end up committing suicide
Well I'm pretty sure they would escape, although a lot of minks would probably end up getting massacred.
if zunisha dies and by some miracle everyone doesn't simply drown, you'd have the minks live on its rotting carcass ?
Luffy is fighting Jack.
Reasons:
Case Closed
Then what's the point of literary devices like foreshadowing, which is all about laying clues on one's work in order to predict possible future events?
Not to put the premisas to a bot's argument. A foreshadow is not a promise neither a warrant something is going to happen. In fact, we only know it's a confirmed foreshadow once what is foreshadowed happens. That's because there' are also red herrings. You only'll know what it is once it happens or definitely not.
if zunisha dies and by some miracle everyone doesn't simply drown, you'd have the minks live on its rotting carcass ?
Wano opening up their borders could result in a new home for the Minks if Zunisha dies.
Successful negro doesn't need a signature.
Not to put the premisas to a bot's argument. A foreshadow is not a promise neither a warrant something is going to happen. In fact, we only know it's a confirmed foreshadow once what is foreshadowed happens. That's because there' are also red herrings. You only'll know what it is once it happens or definitely not.
Foreshadowing is far more used than red herrings though, as the latter is rarely abused. Oda is also not the kind of guy that uses red herring very much as he is very keen on building up events. He throws an unexpected thing here and there, but never contradicting previous developments.
He spent a fair amount of focus on Luffy reacting and relating to the Mink's cause. Add that to his stubborn and hot-blooded personality that we are familiar with since the start, and we should be able to predict what Luffy wants to do. Oda has already given Luffy a lot of emotional stakes in regards to Zou, so I just can't see him leaving.
@Helter:
Contrary to what most people seem to think here, my guess is that Inu and Neko will be the ones to take down Jack. They are weakened, yes, but Inuarashi did mention a trump card in this chapter. We don't know what it is, but he sounded very confident about it. Plus, this time they will both fight together. And another plot-reason: they're the ones who have a real reason to take revange on Jack.
Of course Luffy WANTS to fight Jack. He even said he would. But what I think will happen is that Inu and Neko will ask Luffy to step aside on this one. He'll be there watching in case they need him, but they won't. Luffy is the main character and seeing him take down bastards is always epic. But in this case, seeing Inu and Neko doing it will be way more epic.
That is also what I would like to see happen, but not now. I still feel like taking Jack out of the picture right now is just too early. Instead, Oda could make the conflict and want for payback even stronger by making Jack kill/hurt Zunisha, and then give a resolution to it in Wano or whereever Kaido's war will take place. I want minks to have something going during that wat and a conflict with Jack with all the history and emotions carried from current arc would make it amazing. If they defeat Jack now, then they'll end up as background characters during the war, keeping smile fodders in check, and they deserve much more than that. Carrying on this conflict until the war would be for the best IMO. The anticipation and additional build up would make everything even better.
Wano opening up their borders could result in a new home for the Minks if Zunisha dies.
kaido and the shogun won't fall as fast as doflamingo, not fast enough to suite the homeless minks anyway ^^
Wano opening up their borders could result in a new home for the Minks if Zunisha dies.
I've been considering the possibility for a while but the logistics seem troublesome.
Plus the elephant's plot line itself would become a dead end. What is he, why is he hiding in the fog, are there any others (like in Florian Triangle as Greg suggested).
I could see Minks being forced to leave because the elephant's life is supposed to end at some point, but I don't see Jack killing the elephant so abruptly.
Besides, the only reason Jack wants to kill the elephant is because he doesn't know that not only Raizou but all the rest of the marks are on top of him. He needs them alive.
I do hope that the Wano trio play an instrumental part in Jack's defeat.
While thinking about the chapter I had a flashback to Saobody. I can't remember if it was Kidd or Killer (or perhaps a different supernova but I'm sure it was one of those two), commented about Zoro. They saw Zoro and commented that the fact a monster like him was below someone else must be saying something about the captain. Now we have this chapter, where Jack is back and not only going to just kill an island that has existed for all these years, but had no qualms about beating a subordinate for coming back and reporting what they learned. The fact that a monster like this is under command by Kaido really speaks volumes of Kaido's strength. With how Kaido just wants to die and wants to start a war, I can see how Jack would want to be under him, which would allow him to fight and torture to his hearts content. This makes me curious about the other calamities.
While it's a gender swap, we have another case of crying royalty/nobility/friend asking for Luffy's help. One thing that we know is when someone cries and asks for Luffys help, shit is going to go down. Of course unlike some of the other arcs, it's a long road to Kaido going down. First Jack has to get dealt with, which will be interesting to see how things play out from here. I have a bit of a theory on how things could possibly work out starting from this arc on to taking down Kaido. First is Jack is defeated, weakening Kaido's forces significantly with one less Calamity. Once the safety of Zou is assured, Luffy and a few others head to Big Mom with Pekoms. Pekoms knows the Straw Hats helped Zou twice and feels a debt, but also still has an allegiance with Big Mom. We will have the wedding to crash but I see a truce being made to get Sanji back and not have Big Mom on their back. Pekoms tells them of their feats and plans, and Big Mom decides that letting them go to take down Kaido will make things easier for her. She'll be prepared to finish Kaido off when the Straw Hats lose (which she feels would be the case). This allows them to get off the island and have Sanji with them to head off to Wano.
As for actual stuff that happened in the chapter, I did like the Momo and Luffy interaction. Luffy continues to show that no matter that person's background, he will not mince words. Seeing Momo finally on his own come to bow to Luffy was a nice little emotional moment. The humor was quite good, with Zoro and Law feeling left out and many of the others questioning Luffy's decision when he said no the first time. We now have a large alliance and with Luffy having a fleet under him, it's just counting down to the time when the first big confrontation with a Yonko will happen.
I actually feel like no one is gonna end fighting Jack now. I get the feeling Jack is gonna destroy the elephant (or at least think he did ) call it a day and leave.
His argument is sound. Look at Dressrosa. Luffy pretty much just let everyone do as they want to protect everything, and he only focused on Doflamingo.
Zoro is still unchallenged since the timeskip. Pica can be said as another monster that can destroy a country and he's a wuss in front of Zoro.
And I kinda also think most of this stuff is gonna be off-paneled again. Oda said it's year of the Sanji. We have to bring Sanji's story ASAP.
Man, they are going after 2 Yonkou, there will be plenty of opportunities.
As far as I'm concerned, nothing can match Zoro at the end of TB with Kuma. N-O-T-H-I-N-G 
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Zoro confirmed to be twice as strong as Sanji :)
When it comes to the fight against Jack i think what no one wants is a luffy vs jack while the other heavy weights are wanking on the side and Goda alone knows where sanji is. Since as it is, Jack is simply overmatched and yet if they need to gang up on him that wouldn't bode well for their chances against Kaido :/ i guess we'll just have to wait and trust in Oda to pull something interesting out of the mess.
Hmmmm. So this is going to end with a 1 on 1 with Jack and Luffy, huh? I hope something different happens.
I was mainly thinking of Nami and Robin, really.
Though now you mention that I wonder now of that's part of why Luffy could empathize with Momo.
Sure Robin and Nami really did suffer an atrocious childhood, they still cried somehow, if Nami wasn't for buying back Cocoyashi and Robin to live up for her mom and Saulo's sake, they would have probably didn't do much, i think Momo needed something/someone that tell him "it's ok to cry and there is no shame to have a little help" remember that Momo didn't wanted to eat food on the boat at punk hazard and during all his stay out there until he saw Kin'emon eating Sanji's food.
Luffy kind of understand people when it comes to hurt people, Luffy is a great guy, he kind offer to get rid of people nightmares and problem as long as you give him meat LOL
Jack won't fight Luffy is the new Jack won't come back to Zou. The writing is on the wall. There has been too much set up with Luffy being emotionally invested in the trouble behind the Mink's and Jack. Generally when the Straw Hats make certain declarations it's almost a promise to the readers and Oda usually follows through with such things 9.9 times out of 10.
Even if you forget all that set up, is Pekoms just going sail away after nearly loosing it when he saw what happened to his home and family? Yeah, no.
The entire crew will take part one way or another and if we get an Oars style team up I'd love it. What ever happens I'm certain Luffy is staying an extra day or so to help take care of Jack.
Sanji's situation isn't even life threatening. Unless Pudding is some mantis woman. There is an immediate threat, right here, right now. Sanji can wait.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯ 
so we evidently know that law and the others can deal with jack (if you think that luffy can)
yet you keep insisting that he should stay when he's supposed to be somewhere else dealing with a matter that could break his crew and shatter his dream ?!
i don't have anything to add here !
Yes a random character who didn't even show interest in saving Minks would certainly fight Jack…... instead of someone who has very clearly shown to care about minks, and wants to kick Jack's ass.
But pfffff who cares about already established facts, right?
It would be quite cool ( FOR ME ) if next chapter we will see Kidds alliance just passing by a chance and getting to finish off Jack as they acknowledge he is part of Kaidos crew(they might call a grudge after whatever happened between them and Kaido).
Bit like here till 0:35 Jack being Marsellus and Kidd being Butch
So nor Minks or Strawhats get to fight with Jack(yea yea I know we will most likely get a fight of SH vs Jack.. still it would be cool if something unexpected would happen and we just get to Luffy saving Sanji arc already).
I still don't understand how Luffy is expected to beat up an opponent in bandages. It's not a testament to Luffy's strength.
Why you guys want to see Jack fight the guy that gets fights all the time, and don't want to see other Sh fight that had very few fights in the manga?
Pretty good chapter, I really like Luffy's no Bullshit attidude with Momo. It's similar to what he did with Vivi, he wants them to be strong for their own sake. I'm curious to see how Jack will bring down Zunisha, I don't think brute force will work given the size difference, maybe they use poison, or maybe they have a secret weapon on their ships. I really want to see how they go about doing this.
@The:
While thinking about the chapter I had a flashback to Saobody. I can't remember if it was Kidd or Killer (or perhaps a different supernova but I'm sure it was one of those two), commented about Zoro. They saw Zoro and commented that the fact a monster like him was below someone else must be saying something about the captain.
Urouge if I recall correctly.
I like how there's an animal that looks like Momo's dragon form on the cover story. Franky most be psychic.
Successful negro doesn't need a signature.
Hello my name is Trafalgar Law and everyone is ignoring I'm at Zou as well and expect Zoro for no reasons fighting Jack all alone.
Same goes for the grudge of the minks who stated twice already Jack will pay and this chapter said something about a strange power.
Actually there are the samurais and Raizou the most who has a huge depth to pay as well.
And while injured there is even Pekomz another Yonkou member who of course holds a grudge as well, but instead he will leave the fuck out with Luffy not spotting a huge armada of Yonkou ships coming.
yup Zoro all alone will take on him… The rest of will fight the almighty sheepshead
I still don't understand how Luffy is expected to beat up an opponent in bandages. It's not a testament to Luffy's strength.
The same way he beat up a guy who was starving to death only moments before, with his fists.
@uniaka:
Why you guys want to see Jack fight the guy that gets fights all the time, and don't want to see other Sh fight that had very few fights in the manga?
It's not about that, not at all. I would love for EVERYONE but Luffy, Zoro and Law to gang up against Jack. But the story has been setting us up for Luffy to get directly involved.
Or maybe you meant you are wondering why people want Zoro specifically to fight Jack? In that case, it's obviously because he is the number 1 subordinate in Kaidou's crew. So those bs hierarchy numbers gotta match up.
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That's the problem with living on top of a giant creature…you never know when some psycho would think to take it down to lazily kill everybody. Now, let's pray he isn't carry a giant spear with him XD.
Attacking from the outside seems like it's going to take some kind of super duper island splitting hit. That's nice but I hope we get a Laboon or Nola style adventure with Jack attempting to destroy Zunisha from the inside out. Oh how awful. Not sure if I want that.
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If people are under the impression that some of us want Luffy to fight Jack because he's the main character, then that's wrong.
It's all about the whole build up Oda has been making around Luffy, the Minks and Jack. It's been there since chapter 806.
The same thing happened in Dressrosa. We knew Luffy was going to finish off Doula the moment he started making friends with locals like Rebecca, Viola and Kyros, whereas Law, who had a much bigger history with Doula, was doing this for just a single person. Doula was much more than just the target of Law's grudge.
Attacking from the outside seems like it's going to take some kind of super duper island splitting hit. That's nice but I hope we get a Laboon or Nola style adventure with Jack attempting to destroy Zunisha from the inside out. Oh how awful. Not sure if I want that.
Yo dawg, I heard you like ancient pachyderms…
Attacking from the outside seems like it's going to take some kind of super duper island splitting hit. That's nice but I hope we get a Laboon or Nola style adventure with Jack attempting to destroy Zunisha from the inside out. Oh how awful. Not sure if I want that.
Jack plan does make sense considering he's still injured.
Zoro vs Jack
Luffy and Law to go get sanji
Or
Law vs Jack
Luffy and Zoro to go get Sanji
@LordEnel:
I've got a question, for some reason inu and neko know of momo who is 8, yet the mink claim they never saw inu and neko talk since they came back from their trip when wanda and pedro were young, but that would mean that would have happened when less then 8 years ago.
So carrot is younger then momo!?
Nope the incident of them not liking themselves must have happened before LORD ODEN was killed
The only real problem I have with Luffy taking on Jack is imagining who will anyone else fight. I can't even imagine Luffy not fighting him alone, so that leaves little to no one else to all for those guys who are there to get interesting fights.
Stating the obvious here but: this pretty much means that Kidd's alliance wasn't able to take out Kaidou. I wonder how that went down. Maybe someone on his crew has a "lets get the fuck out of here" fruit. Their real target is Shanks so I doubt they'd go all out with Kaidou. Unrelated but interesting.
That being said. There's another very obvious option if Kaidou really wants to know the secrets of Raftel…....Rayleigh. But its understandable, he doesn't wanna get REKT.
