As a fan of Capone do you think his Bounty is too high ? Some believe its a mistranslation (Jack all over again)
It is a mistranslation as sandman confirmed 300 Million in the spoiler thread.
As a fan of Capone do you think his Bounty is too high ? Some believe its a mistranslation (Jack all over again)
It is a mistranslation as sandman confirmed 300 Million in the spoiler thread.
So Sanji is part of this Vinsmock/Vinsmoke family, eh? That's some pretty interesting information. Also, WTF @ Capone shooting Pekoms (or to be more accurate, Capone having his men inside of him shooting at Pekoms)! O_O
Anyway, this was a good chapter overall! :)
It is a mistranslation as sandman confirmed 300 Million in the spoiler thread.
Thanks for clearing that up, thought we'd have a Jack situation pt.2
Good thing Luffy now has +5600 members, most of them being fodder themselves.
Then that goes against the argument that Ussop, Nami and chopper won't face nonfodder characters. 5600+ take on fodder will the 9 crewmates fight the bounty heads.
Capone's entire crew can't be all as strong as say, a character like chopper, it wouldn't make sense story wise. That means each member of capone's crew will be able to take out multiple of those 5600+ fodder members. (like on fishman island when shs each took so many fishman pirates). SHs wouldn't stand a chance against Capone's crew or any other crew.
Remember also that this "subordinate" of Big Mam is one of the Worst Generation of pirates to which Luffy and Zoro belong to, so let's not just wildly assume that Capone's subordinates are mere pushovers.
I don't think the problem is us assuming they are pushovers, but Nami and Chopper instantly assuming they are not.
Those are guys who fought against hundreds of fishmen each while keeping a smile on their faces, there is no way they would look at 20 armed men and think "oh, well, screw it, we can't take them".
Even if those guys are strong (what is hard to believe given their generic designs and shonen laws), it doesn't make sense for Nami and Chopper to simply assume it.
The best explanation is that they weren't willing to put up a fight anyway to avoid causing more damage to the minks, but then we have Chopper suddenly going Kung-Fu Point so it's hard to believe he wasn't willing to fight at first (the fact he entered his main fighting point suggests he was willing to fight but gave up in face of an overwhelming threat).
Anyways, it's not a big deal, I shouldn't give this so much attention.
This pudding's not going to turn out to be Lola is it??
She was looking to get married at Thriller Bark and her mom is a pirate in the new world?? Just an idea….......
So I never kept up with the spoiler thread and this all came as a giant suprise to me Sanji Vinsmoke. My mind is blown.
As a fan of Capone do you think his Bounty is too high ? Some believe its a mistranslation (Jack all over again)
I was shocked at 3 billion, but this is One Piece. Anything can happen lol. 300 million is still really good tho
1.) the depict of 3 people shooting at pekoms, we're not sure how many bullets actually went into him. He had multiple but crewmates of younkos have been depicted to be fairly resilient.
2.) No in reality YOU CAN'T SHRUG OFF multiple gun shots. Think of blood lose after minutes with multiple gun holes.
3.) Law wasn't shot just one or twice either.
4.) SHs have to take on each of the blackbeard fight crew. It's kind of been set up that way (in my opinion at least). They will all have to fight bouty members of pirate crews eventually. They took down daflamingo, meaning their future enemies as stronger, just based off story structure of all mangas. THEY will have to fight stronger men than capone's crew that are unnamed and without bounties (not saying bounties are 100% judge of strength but has indication of it at least). Anyway, my point is each crewmate of the SHS currently should be able to fight nobodies easily.
1)no real indication of how many,yes..we can just assume,you assume a few,i assume they fired multiple times each,that would make the number of bullets to increase rapidly
2)nope,in fact you can and it has been proven.
The funny thing between gunshots in real life and in fiction is that the short and long terms consequences are switched ..basically you can,if in combat,with enough adrenaline and enough luck (of course a bullet through your heart it's usually game over),you can continue fighting with several gunshots wounds..the problem comes later..both because (as you said) because of blood loss,and because the healing process is much longer,painful and with long term conseuquences than depicted in fiction,where if yyou survive,you just end up in an hospital and after a while you are as good as new.
3)3 times if i remember correctly..still not dozens
4) yeah but your opinion doesn't necessarely coincide with Oda's.Also..none of the guys involved here fought against the dofla family..and actually most of the dofla family was took out by the colosseum fighters
If Capone has a meal inside of himself, does he get full?
If you eat Capone's food inside of his body, are you eating his vomit?
Looks like all the people doubting Oda were right. Sanji and company defeated without even putting up a fight against the weakest supernova. Oda continuing his trend of shitting all over those crew members. And now we get the worst intro to an arc of all time and what sounds like just filler that should only be in the anime. I guess the sunshine pumpers will try to spin this as a win for Sanji and his crew and also spin this filler wedding arc as evidence of Odas genius.
Many of us predicted this and were dreading something like this and its worse than even I imagined. A freaking wedding arc. What the heck… Id rather not have Sanji, Nami, Brooke, and Chopper in the story at all instead of watching them be defeated by some weakling in the blink of an eye after barely winning their last battle 4v1... No one could have predicted it being this bad.
Damn it you guys, you were right all along. About Sanji being royalty, about Big Mom wanting him for a wedding, all of it. It's such a wellmade prediction I wonder if Oda didn't just allow the forums to write the story for him.
On that note, Capone being such a badass, Steph Curry with the glock type of dude I would never expect. He straight up shot one of Big Mom's lieutenants down like some fodder. I look forward to seeing what Big Mom's daughter look like. If she's a babe I think Sanji will undergo the most powerful character development in the series.
Ugh, power level discussions.
I will admit that each Strawhat will have to start fighting non fodder crew members sooner or later. That's the reason why I wanted them to fight Dofla's family instead of the allies. I really do hope this arc puts Luffy and Zoro in the backseat and have all the others fight instead
Looks like all the people doubting Oda were right. Sanji and company defeated without even putting up a fight against the weakest supernova. Oda continuing his trend of shitting all over those crew members. And now we get the worst intro to an arc of all time and what sounds like just filler that should only be in the anime. I guess the sunshine pumpers will try to spin this as a win for Sanji and his crew and also spin this filler wedding arc as evidence of Odas genius.
Many of us predicted this and were dreading something like this and its worse than even I imagined. A freaking wedding arc. What the heck… Id rather not have Sanji, Nami, Brooke, and Chopper in the story at all instead of watching them be defeated by some weakling in the blink of an eye after barely winning their last battle 4v1... No one could have predicted it being this bad.
Why exactly is Capone the weakest ? Sanji is currently in charge he's not as brash as Luffy to just fight he uses his head, if he fought Nami ad Chopper are in Danger. You have to think before you act at times sure it looks cool but Sanji is a strategist
Looks like all the people doubting Oda were right. Sanji and company defeated without even putting up a fight against the weakest supernova. Oda continuing his trend of shitting all over those crew members.
Except they didn't fight for the sake of the minks. This much is obvious. Where are you getting "Capone as the weakest supernova" from?
And now we get the worst intro to an arc of all time and what sounds like just filler that should only be in the anime. I guess the sunshine pumpers will try to spin this as a win for Sanji and his crew and also spin this filler wedding arc as evidence of Odas genius.
It's pretty awful to judge the entire storyline based on one chapter. You have absolutely no idea how this will all go down.
And ah right, resorting to the "anybody who disagrees with me is a fanboy" argument just doesn't work.
Many of us predicted this and were dreading something like this and its worse than even I imagined. A freaking wedding arc. What the heck… Id rather not have Sanji, Nami, Brooke, and Chopper in the story at all instead of watching them be defeated by some weakling in the blink of an eye after barely winning their last battle 4v1... No one could have predicted it being this bad.
You didn't predict this storyline at all. Once again, they didn't fight because of the Minks, and the basis for Capone being the "weakest" does not actually exist.
I honestly think you need a break from the series. You're letting weird expectations make yourself hate something without the full story.
Caesar actually seemed to be the more smart and sympathetic character in this chapter, for once.
Anyway, strange that Pekoms would be told the orders were to destroy them, whereas Capone knew about the wedding.
That's true, I also don't expect Oda to reuse the same material with someone in the marines working for pirates, (Vergo) but the same case this is why I always thrown out the Royalty theories. Isn't Sabo enough ? ( A renegade Royalty not acting like he's supposed to )
Sabo was Nobility, not Royalty.
1)no real indication of how many,yes..we can just assume,you assume a few,i assume they fired multiple times each,that would make the number of bullets to increase rapidly
2)nope,in fact you can and it has been proven.
The funny thing between gunshots in real life and in fiction is that the short and long terms consequences are switched ..basically you can,if in combat,with enough adrenaline and enough luck (of course a bullet through your heart it's usually game over),you can continue fighting with several gunshots wounds..the problem comes later..both because (as you said) because of blood loss,and because the healing process is much longer,painful and with long term conseuquences than depicted in fiction,where if yyou survive,you just end up in an hospital and after a while you are as good as new.
3)3 times if i remember correctly..still not dozens
4) yeah but your opinion doesn't necessarely coincide with Oda's.Also..none of the guys involved here fought against the dofla family..and actually most of the dofla family was took out by the colosseum fighters
1.) you opinion doesn't concide with oda's either, we we're not sure how many he's been shot
2.) the only proven cases are the ones that are EXTREMELY lucky that they were able to stop the bleeding or were in non lethal locations. I don't know any in real life that can survive close range and in the back, actually I KNOW for fact that it would be 1 in like 6 billion that you can survive gsw in a situation like that. Adrenaline can only do so much.
3.) 3 times yes. BUT dozens is saying capone shot dozens at pekom, which is your opinion on the matter
4.) I can say that my opinions don't match with odas, but we're talking about basic manga story. If just doesn't make sense if capone has hundreds of members in his crew that would take out higher end fighters. You'd be the strongest pirate outside of the yonkou.
"none of the guys involved here fought against the dolfa family" that doesn't matter when you can gauge the SHs strength, even if these member didn't fight in that fight.
Ugh, power level discussions.
I will admit that each Strawhat will have to start fighting non fodder crew members sooner or later. That's the reason why I wanted them to fight Dofla's family instead of the allies. I really do hope this arc puts Luffy and Zoro in the backseat and have all the others fight instead
I don't want it to be a discussion of power really. It just seems like lazy writing to have the SHs taken so easily by seemingly fodder
@.access:
I seriously hope this Pudding girl is beautiful (maybe even 3-eyed girl) and Sanji left willingly to marry her.
Horny as Sanji may be, I seriously doubt he'd actually leave the crew over some hottiepants.
I dont want Pudding to be Lola, I want Lola to be there and steal Sanji from Pudding. Or create a mess and object to the wedding since she proposed to Sanji first lol
I don't consider Capone's men fodder, we have to look at this from Sanji's view. Someone takes your weakest members hostage an you only have some strong enough to hold his own and not take out a lot of enemies at once with you. (We also haven't seen Sanji with an attack with great AOE he's more of a CQC fighter)
And as posted multiple times the habitants of Zou just had a traumatic experience we can't expect Sanji to go all crazy on Zou without disregard cmon now.
@LightningAce:
Sabo was Nobility, not Royalty.
I figured them the same but looking it over, you're correct there is a difference.
I loved the chapter… Capone was a badass... I feel sorry for Pekoms tho, but Capone really shined.
Sanji´s face on the last panel is the same as mine after reading the chapter :D it´s been a while since we had Sanji in the spotlight so I´m looking forward to know more!
1.) you opinion doesn't concide with oda's either, we we're not sure how many he's been shot
2.) the only proven cases are the ones that are EXTREMELY lucky that they were able to stop the bleeding or were in non lethal locations. I don't know any in real life that can survive close range and in the back, actually I KNOW for fact that it would be 1 in like 6 billion that you can survive gsw in a situation like that. Adrenaline can only do so much.
3.) 3 times yes. BUT dozens is saying capone shot dozens at pekom, which is your opinion on the matter
4.) I can say that my opinions don't match with odas, but we're talking about basic manga story. If just doesn't make sense if capone has hundreds of members in his crew that would take out higher end fighters. You'd be the strongest pirate outside of the yonkou.
"none of the guys involved here fought against the dolfa family" that doesn't matter when you can gauge the SHs strength, even if these member didn't fight in that fight.
1)true
2)I was talking about survivng gunshots in general,not from point blank or from the back.i remmber the story of a guy who kept the police occupied for hours while being injured by gunshots several times in the process.That without counting all those battlefield stories.
3)ok..i lost track now..what are you trying to say exactly?you said that pekoms got taken down too easily by gunfire..and i said that 3 bullets were enough to KO law for a while..so even if we take in account that the three gunners only shot once each..it's still 3 bullets,that were enough to put law to sleep,why not pekoms.
4)but nobody is saying that…chopper and nami hardly qualify as higher end fighters...and they were took by surprise and with guns on their faces.I am just saying that only because they are nameless,doesn't mean they are all on the level of enies lobby marines or something.
Ok now I'm interested. Let's see where this takes Sanji!
And/or had one really kind big sister.
Might be, but then he won't have a heart to leave his sister for adventure.. *with that overprotective mindset towards women
Pekoms for new nakama, you heard it here first
His name is Vinsmoke.
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Pekom's father is the monkey?
Might be, but then he won't have a heart to leave his sister for adventure.. *with that overprotective mindset towards women
Unless he believes he protected her BY leaving, or it wasn't his choice.
A sanji storyline.. and he's (maybe) royalty !!?? I'm so looking forward to it.
I think Sanji is not royalty in the sense that he is a celestial dragon. I think his family is the major crime family in the north blue. We know he is from north blue. North Blue is the worst blue with a lot of darkness. DoFlamingo is from there. Law and other characters with a dark and sad past. I think the whole underworld thing with the brokers and all has to be resolved before the Kaido fight.
The Sanji solo arc will be about that. That fits perfect with Capone Bege being there. He has the crime family theme already.
If Doflamingo is the Joker maybe Sanji father is the King. King of the Underworld in North Blue. At least that is what i hope. Maybe his father made money with prostitution, selling little girls or women. That maybe the cause of his attitude towards women.
I hope for a Sanji storyline with Underworld ties and the brocker thing being resolved.
Capone is a savage good god. Rest easy Pekoms sweet prince you.
Poor Sanji getting married to one of Big Mom's disgusting looking daughters, poor guy can't catch a break can he?
So the Vinsmoke family, what the hell type of relationship can these people have with an Emperor.
Did Capone just turn into liquid form? (page before the last)
Thats him materializing inside his own body :P
Did Capone just turn into liquid form? (page before the last)
I guess he can do that inside his body.
The castle is himself, after all.
35th Charlotte Daughter Pudding or Purin?
I wonder what Big Mom 's response is if she hears that Bege shot (and killed?) Pekoms. Whitebeard is someone who doesn't tolerate this behaviour, and Shanks is also probably not a big fan of this. But I don't know about Big Mom.
On the one hand she seems to be the cruelest of all the Yonko, on the other hand her kids seem to love her.
But what I want to see essentially: Big Mom asking "Where is Pekoms", Bege replies "He wanted to let the Vinsmock son get away, so I killed him", Big Mom stands up and crushes him with a swing of her arm taking him out instantly. I want this to happen, just to show how incredibly powerful she is to just destroy a 300kk worth pirate with one move.
MS is out!!!!!
Thank god!!!
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You don't like the mobster idea / theory ? or your more inclined to the royalty approach.
I'm fine with either of them, was expecting the royalty one, the mobster thing could turn out to be really good actually.
I was jokingly trying to imply that Zoro's family could be a notorious one too next time we hear about them, at least it's now thanks to him.
I'm none too happy, personally, with both Smoker and Sanji having names that include that they smoke… it's super 2-dimensional and cliche, and just becomes moreso when done twice.
I can see Zoro's reaction to this: ''OMG he wants to get more famous then me by marrying one of the yonkou's daughter! THAT'S CHEAP!''
So it looks like Luffy doesn't plan to go after Sanji, and he wasn't captured so what now? Will Sanji get in trouble once he gets there and Luffy and team will find out and go after him?
I wish Capone armed all his men with Gattling Guns. Guess it is too much money for him.
Did Capone just turn into liquid form? (page before the last)
He probably creates an avatar of himself out of stomach fluid or whatever.
Really enjoyed the chapter. Especially after reading mangastream version. Guess Mangapanda the King has returned. :ninja:
But guys… doesn't pekoms have a shell on his bacj.... then again, if he wasn't expecting it then he may not have had it activated.
I'm none too happy, personally, with both Smoker and Sanji having names that include that they smoke… it's super 2-dimensional and cliche, and just becomes moreso when done twice.
That should come in handy with Pun Piece. Now that the king has returned, I mean.
Okay, now MS messed up the daughter number.
@Galaxy:
Except they didn't fight for the sake of the minks. This much is obvious. Where are you getting "Capone as the weakest supernova" from?
It's pretty awful to judge the entire storyline based on one chapter. You have absolutely no idea how this will all go down.
And ah right, resorting to the "anybody who disagrees with me is a fanboy" argument just doesn't work.
You didn't predict this storyline at all. Once again, they didn't fight because of the Minks, and the basis for Capone being the "weakest" does not actually exist.
You keep telling everyone they can't predict things. Everything including the marriage was predicted by others a year ago and it was also posted all over the one piece reddit every week and on these forums. But you told others there was no way they knew that was going to happen. Everyone saw the defeat coming, everyone knew Oda was going to have him be captured. They went down without a fight when facing fodder level opponents. Capone didnt even do anything and he actually killed a powerful ally… Many people predicted the Sanji Royalty thing almost a year ago. Everyone knew Oda would try to pull something like that after his screwup.
The best case scenario is that we get a filler powerup arc. This arc is nothing but desperation from Oda because he knows he screwed up. Sanji being nobility does nothing but further guarantee he will be separated from the crew for another 1 to 2 years and get his own separate filler arc. Its not like he is going to fight someone strong, he can't even handle Vice Admirals, supernovae subordinates, supernovae, or anyone strong.
Oda is basically going to pull a "hey look guys Sanji is important now and he has influence on world events because he is nobility! This totally makes up for him and the others being forgotten about". Hes going to have some impact on the reverie. Pretty predictable. Everything else will just be filler.
Meanwhile the fans will be like "Hey Oda, you realize we were complaining about Sanji being separated from the crew right? You just guaranteed he will be separated for the next year or 2. Why would you do that?"
Im in this story for the long haul. 1 or 2 years isnt that long in the grand scheme of things. Ill just take this filler marriage arc and just complain once or twice a week about it and wait for something cool and exciting to happen and really get back into the manga when it does. Im just being honest. This arc was the exact opposite of what I wanted and we all saw it coming from a mile away. Its not even shocking or unexpected.
I wonder what Big Mom 's response is if she hears that Bege shot (and killed?) Pekoms. Whitebeard is someone who doesn't tolerate this behaviour, and Shanks is also probably not a big fan of this. But I don't know about Big Mom.
Of course he's dead. He was shot after all.
I'm still in denial about Mangapanda returning… I need to see a few more mistakes and chapters to believe that they're not just ripping someone new off or using a new (halfway decent) translator to replace the old one, lol
But it's interesting
I'm still in denial about Mangapanda returning… I need to see a few more mistakes and chapters to believe that they're not just ripping someone new off or using a new (halfway decent) translator to replace the old one, lol
But it's interesting
Maybe it's going to take some time for them to get back in shape.
They just need to assemble the old translating gang that went off the grid after arrests. Then they will take back their place and send away these noobs who are translating now and who think they know stuff about OP and japanese.
MS is out!!!!!
Thank god!!!
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So it's actually Big Mom's third daughter, Mangapanda please.
Capone is probably vulnerable when he is inside.
Thats why he takes time to makes sure that nobody is around , to come inside
Pekoms is alive and turns the table in the next episode.