! The Scotsman is a freaking Force Ghost. That death scene was perfect for a character like him. Just badmouthing Aku without any discretion.
Gotta get back -Back to the past- SAMURAI JACK- Whachow
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The Scotsman is a rolling stone.
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The Scotsman is a rolling stone.
Given how all his daughters look practically the same age how do we know his wife didn't pop out all those kids?
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Given how all his daughters look practically the same age how do we know his wife didn't pop out all those kids?
Well, she is a BIG beautiful woman…
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I like that Jack ripped off the Thief's look even if his color choices aren't nearly as classy.
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I am forever ashamed of Jack leaving his hat behind to get shredded like that.
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It's really become quite the seinen and i believe it's pulled inspiration from beserk. The horseman and illusion, battle armor. I dont like that he left ashi but she was literally trained to find him wherever. I think they nerfed ashi a little bit too. As long as they dont make her a damsel in distress all is good. Im hoping she will be the one to motivate jack to find his sword or even find it for him. That would restore his sanity.
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How dare you post Family Guy in here.
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It's really become quite the seinen and i believe it's pulled inspiration from beserk.
Just because Berserk is the only seinin you know doesn't mean its the only one. He much more likely pulled from Kurosawa films, Lone Wolf and Cub, and other similar Samurai period dramas.
Along with a heathy dose of a bunch of other stuff. But there's really no Berserk in there, you're stretching super hard to find it if that's what you see.
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! Really glad we'll be seeing more of the Scotsman outside of his death charge. What an army of daughters!
! As I figured, the relationship between Jack and Ashi is moving towards a mentor-student one, which fits nicely. The story of the stars, the lone tree, the devastation….juxtaposed with some bright areas and areas where people are glad to see the Samurai....nice imagery all around.
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Ashi is so going to fuck jack why are people playing themselves.
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Ashi is so going to fuck jack why are people playing themselves.
Well that's provided that A) The writer's shoot for it and B) They decide to sink ships.
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There are ships to sink?!
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I think Ashi is gonna be how they show what happens to the future after Jack gets back.
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I just need to have this happen before its all said and done.
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Why so sure? ;)
It's not some mentiring role. That's sexism. Right now Jack needs Ashi as much as she need him. Killinh her sisters doesnt make for good mentoring either but when it comes to smex such things can be forgiven. The entire season is focussing on Jacks lack of humanity. Never expercing the joys of a family or the mercy of getting old. Might be a vigin. Ashi can save jack from himself the same way Jack saved her from a life of lies.
Both live a life of being raised purely for the sake of vanquishing. At this point i dont think the series is about going back in time but instead learning something abstract. SJ i feel has something to do with learning to let go, you cant vanquish the evils of the world by yourself.
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It's not some mentiring role. That's sexism. Right now Jack needs Ashi as much as she need him. Killinh her sisters doesnt make for good mentoring either but when it comes to smex such things can be forgiven. The entire season is focussing on Jacks lack of humanity. Never expercing the joys of a family or the mercy of getting old. Might be a vigin. Ashi can save jack from himself the same way Jack saved her from a life of lies.
Both live a life of being raised purely for the sake of vanquishing. At this point i dont think the series is about going back in time but instead learning something abstract. SJ i feel has something to do with learning to let go, you cant vanquish the evils of the world by yourself.
Wait a minute. Having Jack mentor Ashi and both parties having their relationship revolve around solely inspiring and supporting one another through their inner turmoil is somehow sexist compared having the only recurring female companion and former enemy on the show end up becoming a love interest? I hope you're kidding and I'm just misunderstanding the joke.
I think either is possible, although I prefer the mentorship more. But c'mon, calling out "sexism" for that is just… wow. You can get in heartwarming family values just by having Jack be a father-like role model/teacher. A flawed one that murdered her sisters when relations were tense, sure, but that's just what makes the relationship more interestingly complex. I fail to see why sleeping with the guy who killed your family is better than simply learning from him. A mentorship does not have to be a one-sided relationship where only the student receives help. It can easily have mutual support, especially due to their similar, yet different perspectives.
I can see the series aiming for more of a "learning something abstract" instead of actually going back in time though. But we'll probably get more insight on how the endgame will be when we see Jack's inner turmoil with the vision of death horseman get solved.
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Jack's true love interest is that girl in the past he met as a kid. He needs to get back to her and make her the queen of his kingdom once he revisits the monks who have reconstructed the time portal and defeats Aku in a rematch in the past.
Though I do like the idea of Ashi helping him to find his sword and showing how the future has changed once Jack returns to the past to finish his mission.
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Jack is like 70 years older than her. Ewww.
How are you getting romance out of this? Just because she's a girl? There's been nothing romantic at all about their interaction.
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Considering they keep bringing up his parents in different ways in his dealings with her as well as constant contrasts between Jack and Ashi's mother, I'm pretty sure they're shooting for a paternal relationship rather than a romantic.
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Wait a minute. Having Jack mentor Ashi and both parties having their relationship revolve around solely inspiring and supporting one another through their inner turmoil is somehow sexist compared having the only recurring female companion and former enemy on the show end up becoming a love interest? I hope you're kidding and I'm just misunderstanding the joke.
I think either is possible, although I prefer the mentorship more. But c'mon, calling out "sexism" for that is just… wow. You can get in heartwarming family values just by having Jack be a father-like role model/teacher. A flawed one that murdered her sisters when relations were tense, sure, but that's just what makes the relationship more interestingly complex. I fail to see why sleeping with the guy who killed your family is better than simply learning from him. A mentorship does not have to be a one-sided relationship where only the student receives help. It can easily have mutual support, especially due to their similar, yet different perspectives.
I can see the series aiming for more of a "learning something abstract" instead of actually going back in time though. But we'll probably get more insight on how the endgame will be when we see Jack's inner turmoil with the vision of death horseman get solved.
It's sexist to me because what can Jack teach her? How to be a mentally disturbed murderer. I mean he really has no morale high ground with this girl. I will be disappointed if they gloss over the point that Jack did slaughter these basically innocent girls. Sure Jack is stronger and has main character importance but the two are equals. They make a good couple i guess but don't kill my blood relatives then pretend to be a father figure. Thats not my style. She has every right to forgive him but he as the man he is should be very remorse. Aku is the bad guy. Ashi actually shows extreme displine not holding vengence against jack. Im not saying they have to sex but Jack doesnt have the right to claim morale superority.
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It's sexist to me because what can Jack teach her? How to be a mentally disturbed murderer. I mean he really has no morale high ground with this girl. I will be disappointed if they gloss over the point that Jack did slaughter these basically innocent girls. Sure Jack is stronger and has main character importance but the two are equals. They make a good couple i guess but don't kill my blood relatives then pretend to be a father figure. Thats not my style. She has every right to forgive him but he as the man he is should be very remorse. Aku is the bad guy. Ashi actually shows extreme displine not holding vengence against jack. Im not saying they have to sex but Jack doesnt have the right to claim morale superority.
He's still the one with the most experience of knowing how the world works in terms of compassion and generosity, as well as basic wisdom. Not to mention combat. And Jack has been saving people for fifty years despite the rut he's ended up in. He doesn't need a moral high ground to inspire somebody as long as he's willing to do good, whether there's redemption involved or not. If anything, showing how he's about to rise from the mental state he's in and both Ashi and him being able to relate with trauma helps them support one another. And while these girls were brainwashed since birth, Jack had no choice but to defend himself. He's not a villain that murdered these girls out of pure malice, and they were still acting on their own free will. And he still went through the trouble of trying save and redeem Ashi when she was detained where there was no need to put himself in such a risk. AND he let himself get attacked by those alien kids in the most recent episode who were technologically forced to attack him.
The psychological trauma is understandable, but he doesn't really deserve any harsh punishment for his actions. He doesn't deserve to be suffering his trauma for such desperate choices. Nobody in a position like Jack's should after everything he's been through. It's not fair to solely compliment Ashi for holding back against Jack and not do the same for Jack sparing and redeeming Ashi after being hunted down like a dog and giving them a whole speech about telling them to leave and not fight if they value their lives. And Ashi's family never cared about her anyways, so she's not even that emotionally attached outside of fulfilling the purpose they indoctrinated in her.
The reason why Jack is hanging out with Ashi is the first place is to get his moral obligation and state of mind back in check. She supports him by having hope in him gaining back the will to fight Aku, and he teaches her the ways of the world as they venture. And I'm pretty sure that it's not the style of many people to hook up with someone who killed their family. And I know that there's fictional stories out there of mentors and non blood-related parental figures not being the most morally upright people, and being responsible for mortally wounding or murdering their loved ones due to complex moral conflicts. Jack taking on a parental/mentor role does not mean he'll treat Ashi like a vulnerable child that must be shielded instead of a partner he respects and trusts with his life.
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Technically there was one…With Jack and Aku.
That's was a predictable but still rather cruel twist.
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I will be disappointed if they gloss over the point that Jack did slaughter these basically innocent girls..
They weren't entirely innocent as they were all trying to kill him just a few days ago. He was cornered in that moment; it was his life or theirs.
But considering we have more of this green figure and we don't know if those other two sisters are 100% dead yet, I don't think it's going to go overlooked.
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They weren't entirely innocent as they were all trying to kill him just a few days ago. He was cornered in that moment; it was his life or theirs.
But considering we have more of this green figure and we don't know if those other two sisters are 100% dead yet, I don't think it's going to go overlooked.
I really hope at least one of them is alive so we can get some more drama. It would feel a bit wasteful if all of Ashi's sisters were made just for dying in the same couple of episodes (not that they have individual personalities to make me care, I'm just talking about taking advantage of the quantity of them).
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I really hope at least one of them is alive so we can get some more drama. It would feel a bit wasteful if all of Ashi's sisters were made just for dying in the same couple of episodes (not that they have individual personalities to make me care, I'm just talking about taking advantage of the quantity of them).
Searching around the credits reveals that while not all seven were named, Ashi wasn't the only one to get a name (Ami, Aki, Avi)
soooo maybe?
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It's sexist to me because what can Jack teach her? How to be a mentally disturbed murderer. I mean he really has no morale high ground with this girl. I will be disappointed if they gloss over the point that Jack did slaughter these basically innocent girls. Sure Jack is stronger and has main character importance but the two are equals. They make a good couple i guess but don't kill my blood relatives then pretend to be a father figure. Thats not my style. She has every right to forgive him but he as the man he is should be very remorse. Aku is the bad guy. Ashi actually shows extreme displine not holding vengence against jack. Im not saying they have to sex but Jack doesnt have the right to claim morale superority.
I really don't see where gender enters this at all. Mentor/student relationships aren't often gendered beyond the usual uneven distribution of genders among characters. Plus, insisting that it is gendered here just ignores most details about each character. Jack is mentally in his 60s or 70s, while Ashi is practically a baby when it comes to anything besides combat. Jack is old and worn down, losing sight of the purpose of his battle, while Ashi is young, learning, and wants to take action. That was the whole dynamic from the last ep, where Ashi asked to learn about the world from Jack and, after learning of Aku's cruelty, dragged Jack along to take action. Sure, you can read romance into that, too, or friendship or something, but Jack as the teacher here makes a lot more narrative sense, since he has to assume that role, anyways.
On the other hand, insisting that they have to be in a romantic relationship borders closer to sexism. Would you have come to the same conclusion about their relationship if Ashi was a boy? Or if Jack was a woman? Maybe you would have, and that would be fair, but there's definitely a heteronormative pressure to romantically pair leads if they're opposite genders, so those relationships lean way more on gender roles than mentor/student relationships ever do.
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They weren't entirely innocent as they were all trying to kill him just a few days ago. He was cornered in that moment; it was his life or theirs.
But considering we have more of this green figure and we don't know if those other two sisters are 100% dead yet, I don't think it's going to go overlooked.
Idc as long as they touch on the subject.
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He's still the one with the most experience of knowing how the world works in terms of compassion and generosity, as well as basic wisdom. Not to mention combat. And Jack has been saving people for fifty years despite the rut he's ended up in. He doesn't need a moral high ground to inspire somebody as long as he's willing to do good, whether there's redemption involved or not. If anything, showing how he's about to rise from the mental state he's in and both Ashi and him being able to relate with trauma helps them support one another. And while these girls were brainwashed since birth, Jack had no choice but to defend himself. He's not a villain that murdered these girls out of pure malice, and they were still acting on their own free will. And he still went through the trouble of trying save and redeem Ashi when she was detained where there was no need to put himself in such a risk. AND he let himself get attacked by those alien kids in the most recent episode who were technologically forced to attack him.
The psychological trauma is understandable, but he doesn't really deserve any harsh punishment for his actions. He doesn't deserve to be suffering his trauma for such desperate choices. Nobody in a position like Jack's should after everything he's been through. It's not fair to solely compliment Ashi for holding back against Jack and not do the same for Jack sparing and redeeming Ashi after being hunted down like a dog and giving them a whole speech about telling them to leave and not fight if they value their lives. And Ashi's family never cared about her anyways, so she's not even that emotionally attached outside of fulfilling the purpose they indoctrinated in her.
The reason why Jack is hanging out with Ashi is the first place is to get his moral obligation and state of mind back in check. She supports him by having hope in him gaining back the will to fight Aku, and he teaches her the ways of the world as they venture. And I'm pretty sure that it's not the style of many people to hook up with someone who killed their family. And I know that there's fictional stories out there of mentors and non blood-related parental figures not being the most morally upright people, and being responsible for mortally wounding or murdering their loved ones due to complex moral conflicts. Jack taking on a parental/mentor role does not mean he'll treat Ashi like a vulnerable child that must be shielded instead of a partner he respects and trusts with his life.
I think the term you are looking for is friend not mentor. Don't assume, this is what bothers me that people think Ashi will be so moved by Jack's awesomeness that she reveres jack. I prefer lovers because it implies patners. For only maybe 20, ashi couldnt have handled tge situation more nobely. Both commiting her life to the fight and stopping when she found out she was wrong. She helped those kids just as much as Jack did.
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I really don't see where gender enters this at all. Mentor/student relationships aren't often gendered beyond the usual uneven distribution of genders among characters. Plus, insisting that it is gendered here just ignores most details about each character. Jack is mentally in his 60s or 70s, while Ashi is practically a baby when it comes to anything besides combat. Jack is old and worn down, losing sight of the purpose of his battle, while Ashi is young, learning, and wants to take action. That was the whole dynamic from the last ep, where Ashi asked to learn about the world from Jack and, after learning of Aku's cruelty, dragged Jack along to take action. Sure, you can read romance into that, too, or friendship or something, but Jack as the teacher here makes a lot more narrative sense, since he has to assume that role, anyways.
On the other hand, insisting that they have to be in a romantic relationship borders closer to sexism. Would you have come to the same conclusion about their relationship if Ashi was a boy? Or if Jack was a woman? Maybe you would have, and that would be fair, but there's definitely a heteronormative pressure to romantically pair leads if they're opposite genders, so those relationships lean way more on gender roles than mentor/student relationships ever do.
Of course you don't see where gender is important if you're a sexist you wouldn't.
There is no 60, 70 year old mentality. After about 24 your body stops growing and starts dying. The plascitity of your brain depends on the individual. Jack is a man, ashi is a woman both have bodies of 20 year olds. Thats about it. A man can live to 60 and be no wiser than a 30 year old. Jack can fight better than anybody, thats about it, if she wants revenge on her mother or Aku thats unforseen. Jacks superiority comes from him fighting for 70 years not his original training. The reason i say it's sexist is because it it plays into the mind set that man can kill a womans family and that a woman should revere him.
If you flip situations and Jack had all his brothers slaughtered by ashi and looked at this woman as a mentor you'd understand. Jack is quite bit stronger than Ashi so I can understand training her. But saying mentoring her and devoloping her into a better person than I call bull. Jack didn't kill the sisters because he was ok with it. He thought they we're evil. He was tricked just like Ashi. Theres a strong differnce from being taught by someone and mentoring them. As far as wanting to do the right thing both Ashi and Jack are equals. In conclusion it's one thing to forgive somebody for making a mistake and being friends rather than looking up to someone who made a mistake.
Respect and admiration should be equal and as far as I can tell it is. Ashi since the end of episode 4 has been cooperative but not freindly and jack has been the same way. Ashi not trying to kill jack in his sleep and Jack showing Ashi the truth in my eyes portrays patnership. It's kinda like if batman killed Robins parents because they we're evil and raising robin to be his sidekick. Except that instead of Robins parents being evil they thought batman was a criminal and batman tried to kill robin at first also. It just screams extremely sexist vibe but instead of a vibe this is fiction so it's more like a sexist portrayal.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but i'll lose love for the season if it goes how peoples want and the subject is never touched. She repayed him by saving his life and my guess is she'll find his sword. What exactly does she need to take away from jack when their in the same position? Jack needs her as much or more than she needs Jack.
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"WOOO! SCOTTY IS BAC-wait, what! NO! WHY!! HOW COULD YOU, AKU! YOU PIECE OF SHI-huh? He came back? As a ghost? At least we'll get to see him again!"
^Me at the start of the episode.
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"WOOO! SCOTTY IS BAC-wait, what! NO! WHY!! HOW COULD YOU, AKU! YOU PIECE OF SHI-huh? He came back? As a ghost? At least we'll get to see him again!"
^Me at the start of the episode.
My thoughts precisely. I was so glad to see him and it's very fitting that he has an army of daughters and also went out while spitting fire at Aku. Also, love that his wheelchair keeps the gun leg propped up permanently. 'Twas a beautiful thing to behold. Celtic magic, indeed~
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Of course you don't see where gender is important if you're a sexist you wouldn't.
Oh, shit son~ Did you just call goat man a sexist?
You're like the Scotsman going up against Aku. Except you're the bad guy, and no one's going to feel badly when you get wrecked.
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I think the term you are looking for is friend not mentor. Don't assume, this is what bothers me that people think Ashi will be so moved by Jack's awesomeness that she reveres jack. I prefer lovers because it implies patners. For only maybe 20, ashi couldnt have handled tge situation more nobely. Both commiting her life to the fight and stopping when she found out she was wrong. She helped those kids just as much as Jack did.
Why are you assuming that mentor/student relationships are mutually exclusive from friendships and partnerships instead of their relationship having elements from all of that? A relationship can imply plenty of things too, you know. Certain series depict it on equal terms, other series execute it by having the protagonist be in charge and the love interest (especially if they're female) often becoming a damsel in distress and always inferior in battle prowess. Ashi was completely childish until Jack showed her proof of Aku's evil, so portraying Ashi as this
And seriously, what makes you think a mentorship means Ashi has to worship Jack as being superior to her all of the time? That's narrow-minded.
Of course you don't see where gender is important if you're a sexist you wouldn't.
You know that statement is completely wrong and insulting. He wasn't even saying that gender is never important, he merely said that he does not see how gender is relevant in the relationship between Jack and Ashi in how it's been portrayed. They could have been opposite genders or the same gender, and nothing would change at all. I don't even know why I still have the patience to rely to the rest of your comment after reading something so ignorant.
There is no 60, 70 year old mentality. After about 24 your body stops growing and starts dying. The plascitity of your brain depends on the individual. Jack is a man, ashi is a woman both have bodies of 20 year olds. Thats about it. A man can live to 60 and be no wiser than a 30 year old. Jack can fight better than anybody, thats about it, if she wants revenge on her mother or Aku thats unforseen. Jacks superiority comes from him fighting for 70 years not his original training. The reason i say it's sexist is because it it plays into the mind set that man can kill a womans family and that a woman should revere him.
Wagomu is saying that Jack has lived for around 70 years, and thus has seventy years of experiences in his mind despite still looking like he is in his twenties. Experiences where he has seen endless corruption, carnage, violence, along with learning all sorts of information. Ashi is in her twenties, but she probably has the mentality of a child for most things outside of combat when she can't even figure out why/how deers mate and that the stars are not created by Aku. Jack's level of knowledge completely eclipses Aku's. Are you really trying to say that if, hypothetically, somebody that looks like they're in their twenties has the ability to live for centuries and has observed all sorts of changes throughout the world without any memory issues, they aren't able to at least know a thing or two more than another twenty-something year old? Your example of a thirty year old and sixty year old means you already believe that knowledge can transcend physical age, and yet you're making Jack an exception because… I don't even know. A thirty year old can not only be as wise as a sixty year old, but even more wise than a sixty year old. Knowledge is relative. And Jack's circumstances certainly make him an example of that.
And nobody is saying that someone has to revere ANYONE. Do you really think that all students blindly revere their teachers or parents without ever wanting/getting respect and acknowledgment in return? Do you really think that they can never act on equal, friendly terms? There is no sexist mindset to play into. Ashi respecting Jack as a mentor does not feed into some sort of gender subservient image you're trying to force into here. Jack killing her family is not a sexist factor because he was forced to do so and he's a skilled and ethical human being. He is the only person Ashi can come to and learn from in order to follow her newly formed conscience to defeat Aku. Gender does not matter at all. Would you still feel this way if Jack was a woman and/or Ashi was a man? Showing flaws in a female character that she needs to work on like a lack of knowledge is a normal human occurrence that is prevalent all of the time in the real world, and the exact same goes for men.
If you flip situations and Jack had all his brothers slaughtered by ashi and looked at this woman as a mentor you'd understand. Jack is quite bit stronger than Ashi so I can understand training her. But saying mentoring her and devoloping her into a better person than I call bull. Jack didn't kill the sisters because he was ok with it. He thought they we're evil. He was tricked just like Ashi. Theres a strong differnce from being taught by someone and mentoring them. As far as wanting to do the right thing both Ashi and Jack are equals. In conclusion it's one thing to forgive somebody for making a mistake and being friends rather than looking up to someone who made a mistake.
Actually, nothing changes in that scenario. Nobody aside from you would feel the slightest bit different unless they are an insecure male who has issues with guys learning from girls or insecurities about physical inadequacy. Jack has ALREADY been mentoring Ashi. There's nothing to debate about regarding that. Ashi handling the situation so nobly like you claim is only possible because Jack taught her about Aku's influence and natural processes (or at least a cultural fairy tale that serves the purpose of showing that there are other perspectives).
Jack did kill them because he became okay with it. The only time he regretted it was the first time he killed one of the Daughters of Aku, but only because he has never killed a human before. The only time he got tricked was thinking that the Daughters of Aku were robots. The Daughters of Aku were indoctrinated to hate Jack, and thus have a biased perspective about him. But their free will still plays into that, and Jack could not do anything different if he knew about how they were trained. Otherwise, you could argue that any evil person's upbringing and tragic backstory justifies the evil acts they commit in the present. We should still help treat them to the best of our ability, but that's the key phrase. To the best of our ability. Jack got forced to kill, and that's it. He'll live with that disturbing truth, but he had no other choice.
Respect and admiration should be equal and as far as I can tell it is. Ashi since the end of episode 4 has been cooperative but not freindly and jack has been the same way. Ashi not trying to kill jack in his sleep and Jack showing Ashi the truth in my eyes portrays patnership. It's kinda like if batman killed Robins parents because they we're evil and raising robin to be his sidekick. Except that instead of Robins parents being evil they thought batman was a criminal and batman tried to kill robin at first also. It just screams extremely sexist vibe but instead of a vibe this is fiction so it's more like a sexist portrayal.
Respect and even admiration can be equal in a mentor/student relationship. Mentors/teachers can be plenty inspired by their students and learn a lot from their own perspectives. And that's exactly what will happen with Jack when Ashi finds him. She's going to try snapping him out of all of his PTSD guilt tripping and remind him that there is hope in defeating Aku and saving the world. I bet she'll also convince him to either find his lost magic sword or make a new one. And Ashi was willing to become friendly once the alien kids got saved. She probably would have been friendly with Jack as soon she realized the truth if Jack didn't pull the whole "hope is lost" shtick. They haven't gotten off on the wrong foot, but that can easily be fixed at this point.
There is no difference. Teaching and mentoring are synonyms. The only problem is that you have a specific image or example of a subservient student/mentor relationship on your mind, and applying that to mean all student/mentor relationships have to be executed that way. Your Batman and Robin example doesn't scream a sexist vibe at all. And it doesn't even really work because every Robin is typically a child where we can assume Ashi is a young adult.
Actually… wait. All of the canon Robins have been boys. And Batman is a man. How is that sexist? How does that make the Jack/Ashi dynamic sexist because they happen to be opposite genders while Batman and Robin tend to coincidentally both be male? You just literally disproved your entire argument about sexist portrayal with that analogy. The best point you could make without contradicting your own argument is that Ashi is discredited as a character if she is made into a student instead of a romantic partner (or maybe some sort of weird ageist portrayal criticism). Meaning that you have an issue with Ashi's portrayal as an overall character, not as a woman. Are you really trying to say that sexist portrayals are made just if certain characters happen to be certain genders instead of there actually being sexist perspectives or actions being made by the characters? Because I think people in this thread would say thinking that way is not only inherent flawed, but actually sexist itself for imposing gender roles onto characters. In this case, females having flawed male mentors being sexist while any other scenarios where the genders are any different are not sexist.
If you still try to argue that Jack and Ashi having a mentor/student dynamic is sexist despite having all of this brought to your attention, then you are actually arguing for there to be hypocritical double standards in character portrayals based solely on gender.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but i'll lose love for the season if it goes how peoples want and the subject is never touched. She repayed him by saving his life and my guess is she'll find his sword. What exactly does she need to take away from jack when their in the same position? Jack needs her as much or more than she needs Jack.
More combat training and lessons about how the world works when those types of issues become relevant. Along with basic social interaction seeing as how she didn't bond with her family at all. Jack and Ashi both need each other equally, but the latter arguably moreso because she can't even integrate herself into society without knowing most basic forms of social interaction. As you can see in not even knowing why/how deers mate. And no, that does not mean she has to get in a relationship with Jack to learn about love.
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"WOOO! SCOTTY IS BAC-wait, what! NO! WHY!! HOW COULD YOU, AKU! YOU PIECE OF SHI-huh? He came back? As a ghost? At least we'll get to see him again!"
^Me at the start of the episode.
Within a span of a few minutes, it was the most confusing rush of jumbled emotions ever.
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This is such a weird criticism that I feel like you're not even watching the show. SJ's mostly avoided anything having to do with gender roles this season, besides the armored dude calling Ashi cute as a way of showing how scummy he was, and the Scotsman's scolding of his daughters, which is because of how traditional he is (and even then, the whole army of female warriors still goes against traditional gender roles). Otherwise, Ashi's childhood being raised as an assassin is more of a masculine narrative than a feminine one, Jack didn't even consider the gender of the daughters' as an important fact when confronting them, and never hesitated or made a deal about that at all.
You asked if the genders were interchangeable, and yes they are. Ashi's path to seeking Jack as a mentor is pretty overtly shown to us, stems from her agency, is done by her volition, and is tempered with her own caution (all this stuff you apparently don't recognize because it's more important that she's a girl for your argument about calling other people sexist). Jack refuses to tell her anything until she insisted, and she even gets the scene with the armored guy, where she sees the world's evil and Jack's good without Jack being able to persuade her. Ashi's path is something that makes sense because of who Ashi is as a character and what she's experienced, none of which has to do with her being a girl. None of this would change if she was a guy or if Jack was a woman. This brings me back to my earlier question, though: would you be trying to pair Ashi and Jack romantically if Ashi was a boy? Because I have a feeling that your answer is 'no'.
When it comes to character motivations, I don't know why you're treating them as the same, either. Their relationship is asymmetric because they have different problems, wants, and needs because they're two individual characters in different stages of their lives. Have you ever tried dating someone at a different stage in their life? It's not impossible, but it can be very awkward because it's likely that both of you are looking for something different. Right now, Jack's trying to find a way to live with himself and in search of a purpose, while Ashi is on a journey of self-discovery and is rebelling against her upbringing. But for some reason you believe that a mentor/student relationship here would be based entirely on sexism because… they're male and female so they should be dating? Or was it because Batman didn't kill Robin's parents and Robin is a girl so that would be sexist? I think you sorta lost sight of your point with the Robin thing, but I guess it's easy to do that when your point doesn't make sense.
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Let's not forget that this show has subverted gender roles before and isn't afraid of presenting women as powerful and capable.There's nothing sexist about Jack taking on the role of mentor for Ashi, teaching her about the truth of the world and the evil of Aku. What he teaches her doesn't even have to have anything to do with martial skill.
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Far as the age thing goes, I expect those years to catch up with Jack when all is said and done; the other option is that he willingly hangs around for several more decades before going back to the Guardian's portal after defeating Aku and it's hard to see him doing that.
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Far as the age thing goes, I expect those years to catch up with Jack when all is said and done; the other option is that he willingly hangs around for several more decades before going back to the Guardian's portal after defeating Aku and it's hard to see him doing that.
Considering they effectively retconned that bit about Jack being older and wiser and a ruler, by stunting his, age, being out of his mind, and still having him be a drifter who knows what'll happen.
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Considering they effectively retconned that bit about Jack being older and wiser and a ruler, by stunting his, age, being out of his mind, and still having him be a drifter who knows what'll happen.
I wouldn't say that. He still has a beard, and the artistic details of Jack looking older can be ignored. And he can look like a king s much as he wants by commanding an army against Aku in the finale.
But I doubt that continuity with the Guardian episode will happen. To be honest, I think it's more likely that we'll see Jack shave and put on a kimono again as a symbol of purification once he gets his sword back. But I would love to be surprised.
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For years Tartosvsky said that the Guardian episode was the unofficial finale. regardless of where it actually fell in the run. He's had 15 years to change his mind but I'd like to think that still stands slightly prominently as it was basically promised at the time as the final answer in place of a real ending, and it was harkened to in final issue of the comic a couple years back (but comics don't count)..
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To be honest, I think it's more likely that we'll see Jack shave and put on a kimono again as a symbol of purification once he gets his sword back. But I would love to be surprised.
That's what I fully expect to happen because… that's how these things work. But we're already halfway through the run and it hasn't happened yet. If it doesn't happen by next episode I think he's keeping the beard.
Far as the age thing goes, I expect those years to catch up with Jack when all is said and done; the other option is that he willingly hangs around for several more decades before going back to the Guardian's portal after defeating Aku and it's hard to see him doing that.
Jack seems to be running on the premise that all the portals are gone. He may not effectively remember that one anymore, or it may have been temporarily closed until there's tech to re-open it.
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So I remember kid me working on the assumption kid me assuming samourai Jack was a self-aware parody of the notion over logic. That's why Jack hardly talk(if at all) and that's why he was a samurai in period where samurai should not fit. Did younger just invented all that or was there a serious plot all along that I should catch on before going for season 5?
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The tone and point sorta varied by the episode in the earlier seasons. There were a lot of great serious actiony eps like the one with the blind archers, and then there's stuff like:
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that's why he was a samurai in period where samurai should not fit.
Well, there was a pretty reasonable inuniverse explaination for this. Came from feudal Japan, got flung into a future thousands of years from the battle.
I've always liked how his samurai-ness clashed with the modern tech.
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So I remember kid me working on the assumption kid me assuming samourai Jack was a self-aware parody of the notion over logic. That's why Jack hardly talk(if at all) and that's why he was a samurai in period where samurai should not fit. Did younger just invented all that or was there a serious plot all along that I should catch on before going for season 5?
Well, Samurai Jack does mostly take itself seriously on its own merits, but it does have its share of goofiness as well (it's more-or-less like Avatar in tone). Yes it has comedy and there are some straight up screwball episodes (Aku's Fairy Tales, Jack and the Farting Dragon, etc.) but there's a lot of genuinely cool action and drama too (Jack and the Ultra-Bots, Jack Remembers the Past, etc.). The fact that he's a Samurai in a futuristic setting, I think, was jus an excuse to put him in some fantastical scenarios, and work as a fish-out-of-water story.
Now, as the for the plotline, there…really isn't one. Jack tries to defeat the evil Aku, gets sent into the future, tries to find a way back to the past, and...that's pretty much it. The story never really evolves beyond that as they made it an episodic series, which maybe they shouldn't have done. While a lot of individual episodes are pretty great, it does get frustrating seeing Jack never making any discernible progress. So, as for episodes you need to watch to catch up on it, there really aren't that many.
-The first three episodes: The episodes that set everything up and pretty well establish the tone of the series
-Any of the Scotsman episodes: One of the few recurring characters and I recommend the first one (Jack and the Scotsman) since, you know, it introduces him.
-Jack and the Travelling Creatures: This may not be necessary as we don't know for sure if this will tie into the new episodes, but it wasn't the closest thing we got to a proper finale for a whileAside from that, some really good episodes I can recommend are: Jack and the Three Blind Archers, Jack and the Ultra-Bots, Jack Remembers the Past, Jack and the Zombies, Jack and the Haunted House, The Birth of Evil, The Princess and the Bounty Hunters, and The Scotsman Saves Jack
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Well, Samurai Jack does mostly take itself seriously on its own merits, but it does have its share of goofiness as well (it's more-or-less like Avatar in tone). Yes it has comedy and there are some straight up screwball episodes (Aku's Fairy Tales, Jack and the Farting Dragon, etc.) but there's a lot of genuinely cool action and drama too (Jack and the Ultra-Bots, Jack Remembers the Past, etc.). The fact that he's a Samurai in a futuristic setting, I think, was jus an excuse to put him in some fantastical scenarios, and work as a fish-out-of-water story.
Now, as the for the plotline, there…really isn't one. Jack tries to defeat the evil Aku, gets sent into the future, tries to find a way back to the past, and...that's pretty much it. The story never really evolves beyond that as they made it an episodic series, which maybe they shouldn't have done. While a lot of individual episodes are pretty great, it does get frustrating seeing Jack never making any discernible progress. So, as for episodes you need to watch to catch up on it, there really aren't that many.
-The first three episodes: The episodes that set everything up and pretty well establish the tone of the series
-Any of the Scotsman episodes: One of the few recurring characters and I recommend the first one (Jack and the Scotsman) since, you know, it introduces him.
-Jack and the Travelling Creatures: This may not be necessary as we don't know for sure if this will tie into the new episodes, but it wasn't the closest thing we got to a proper finale for a whileAside from that, some really good episodes I can recommend are: Jack and the Three Blind Archers, Jack and the Ultra-Bots, Jack Remembers the Past, Jack and the Zombies, Jack and the Haunted House, The Birth of Evil, The Princess and the Bounty Hunters, and The Scotsman Saves Jack
I would also add Tale of X9, Jack and the Flying Prince and Princess, Jack versus Aku, Jack is Naked, Jack's Sandals, Samurai vs Samurai, The Aku Infection, and The Four Seasons of Death.
Personally, I think some of the most memorable episodes are when the show completely embraces humor to the point of absurdity. That episode where he gets stuck in pseudo-Wonderland was so hilarious. And Jack versus Aku was beautiful.
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Samurai versus Ninja is a must-watch and I also really recommend Jack and the Labyrinth along Jack and the Baby.
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The one where Jack is cursed with amnesia and the Scotsman helps him was a favourite of mine.
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The one where Jack is cursed with amnesia and the Scotsman helps him was a favourite of mine.
Huh, I guess two minds think alike.
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Okay, that line was one I never expected to hear in Samurai Jack.