I am so ridiculously hyped for this movie now. It happens to come out on a day I have off, so I'm gonna go to the "Marathon" they're having of all 7 movies!
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Probably Rey, the woman.
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MY PAAAAAAAANTS
I MUST CHANGE THEM
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I am now cautiously optimistic after seeing that trailer.
I'll likely wait for the hype train to die down before I ever see the movie. I expect it to have a ridiculously high rotten tomato score and to set box office records but I am not so sure if the leaked plot, which is looking more and more true now, is actually a good enough plot to not feel like a retread.
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Would they really let the dark side and jedi fall into myth in just 30 years? (How would you even do that that someone could be naive about it?) ANd what the hell is Luke up to? I know they've officially discredited all the expanded universe, so no jedi academy and whatnot, but… it still would make sense for Luke to try and salvage and train the Jedi? Eh, I guess even in the original trilogy the Force was kind of mythic already... which doesn't make any sense since the Jedi were such a big deal not even 30 years earlier. (ANother thing the prequels mucked up, I guess. )
I don't expect it to be any good thanks to Abrams directing, but I'm sure it'll pace well, have good visuals and entertain most audiences able to totally turn their brains off because of him. I'm pleased that so much is being done practically instead of green screened, and I'm cautiously optimistic thanks to Kasdan and Arnst being 2 of the 3 writers, they both know story and character.
But then pretty much lost all hype when the poster revealed that yes, they are in fact making a Death Star 3. So unless it remains intact by film's end, it's looking to be a very by the numbers retread overall. Hopefully Harrison Ford finally gets that death scene he always wanted and its done well enough to lend some real pathos to the proceedings.
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Man, I'm getting more and more excited for this movie.
I think the real key to the movie being a success is the new characters, and the new trailer gives me a lot of hope that they'll be good.
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Would they really let the dark side and jedi fall into myth in just 30 years? (How would you even do that that someone could be naive about it?) ANd what the hell is Luke up to? I know they've officially discredited all the expanded universe, so no jedi academy and whatnot, but… it still would make sense for Luke to try and salvage and train the Jedi?
Well, remember that in the first movie Han Solo and that guy that Vader choked were already skeptical about the force. As for what Luke's been doing though, yeah, I guess we'll find out.
What bothers me though is that the new Sith apparently wants to finish what "Vader" started. Even though it was the Emperor who was running the whole shebang. Like, maybe that line is out of context, but he still has Vader's helmet, right?
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Curses, you quoted me before the edit.
Stuff just doesn't fade to myth THAT fast. Yeah, if there'd been only a handful of jedi in the entire galaxy in the past thousand years, or it was mostly a human only thing, that'd be one thing. "Vader wiped them all out" works when there's a handful… not when there's that many scattered about. There were tons of them, in EVERY race, constantly called into the galactic senate in charge of the clone army and etc. I guess if the emperor was actively deleting records and quelching rumors... but Vader was still waltzing around. It just makes no sense in that context.
Yes, by the time of the original trilogy not many had seen any active jedi running around, but there still should have been tons of records, video recordings, and the force in general still existing for those sensitive to it. LOTS OF PEOPLE knew the jedi in the prequels (And with the CLone Wars series remaining canon...). So, there were people still living that had seen force users. And around the empire at least Vader should have been making an impression on a regular basis.
Just another thing the prequels messed up, I guess.
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About Luke
! There be a flashback at Maz castle which will show destruction of his Jedi Academy by the first Order. It's the main reason why exile.
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I'm quite curious to see what the response to the movie will be. Regardless of whether the movie is bad or good, I could see quite a few people loving it because they want to love it, beause after the prequels it would just be so heartbreaking to have another run of bad Star Wars movies.
That sounds very pessimistic even for me, and I do hope that the movie is good, but man, the shadow of those damn prequels still looms large…I guess I'll just have to wait and see it for myself. -
Unless its incredibly bad, people in general are going to love it. The overall reaction to things like Abram's Trek, and Avatar, mean its pretty much a sure thing. I can't imagine it not getting to the top 10 grossing fims by default, really. I'm sure it'll immediately be ahead of 1 and 2 on every list, and ahead of 3 and 6 on some on others. No matter what the movie's quality, it should fall into that range. It'd have to be legitimately good, and not just superficially so, to challenge 4 or 5 though.
And two of the writers on the movie are excellent, so… it probably won't sound stupid like the prequels did.
Really as long as they don't have an 8 year old and something akin to Jar Jar they should be fine. (And I think history has shown Jar Jar wasn't really THE problem, just a symptom.)
What'll be more interesting than initial reaction, will be how it sits once Disney has done one of these every year for a while and they start to run into the Pixar thing, and where it'll fall once theres 10 or 15 films to compare to.
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It annoyed me more than it should that the new movie probably starts on Tatooine. Again.
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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Interesting that there was no Luke yet again in this trailer. Either he has a very small role to play or there is something very big and spoilery regarding him they don't wanna reveal in any trailer…
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It annoyed me more than it should that the new movie probably starts on Tatooine. Again.
They've already stated that it is NOT Tatooine.
Of course, Abrams also insisted Khan wasn't in Trek, so whatever.
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Would they really let the dark side and jedi fall into myth in just 30 years? (How would you even do that that someone could be naive about it?) ANd what the hell is Luke up to? I know they've officially discredited all the expanded universe, so no jedi academy and whatnot, but… it still would make sense for Luke to try and salvage and train the Jedi? Eh, I guess even in the original trilogy the Force was kind of mythic already... which doesn't make any sense since the Jedi were such a big deal not even 30 years earlier. (ANother thing the prequels mucked up, I guess. )
The impression I got from just the trailer was that it was an appeal to escapism. Selling the audience, most likely long-time Star Wars fans, the dream that everything in Star Wars is real and meaningful. Internal logic like the Jedi fading into legend probably came after that.
"The Force. It's calling to YOU"
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So even after after they removed the PU from canon, nothing has actually changed. We're still getting le classic superweapon spam Empire, which I'm more or less fine with.
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Interesting that there was no Luke yet again in this trailer. Either he has a very small role to play or there is something very big and spoilery regarding him they don't wanna reveal in any trailer…
I imagine the gang will seek Luke out to better understand the Sith threat. Sounds like a journey. Either way, I dig that they haven't shown him "properly" yet, and won't. Let it be a surprise. Besides, they've already used Harrison for the "nostalgia" aspect in the trailers.
And I have no problem with Luke (if he really didn't) not retraining the Jedi. Not training Leia. Just letting the knowledge die with him.
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Curses, you quoted me before the edit.
Stuff just doesn't fade to myth THAT fast. Yeah, if there'd been only a handful of jedi in the entire galaxy in the past thousand years, or it was mostly a human only thing, that'd be one thing. "Vader wiped them all out" works when there's a handful… not when there's that many scattered about. There were tons of them, in EVERY race, constantly called into the galactic senate in charge of the clone army and etc. I guess if the emperor was actively deleting records and quelching rumors... but Vader was still waltzing around. It just makes no sense in that context.
Yes, by the time of the original trilogy not many had seen any active jedi running around, but there still should have been tons of records, video recordings, and the force in general still existing for those sensitive to it. LOTS OF PEOPLE knew the jedi in the prequels (And with the CLone Wars series remaining canon...). So, there were people still living that had seen force users. And around the empire at least Vader should have been making an impression on a regular basis.
Just another thing the prequels messed up, I guess.
In the entire galaxy, there were only around just over 10,000 Jedi, when all things considered not exactly huge a number.
By the time of this movie, it would have been what, 50-60 years since order 66, those born after that time period where Jedi did not really exist anymore, they woulda been stuff of legends, plus its not like anything was really taught about Jedi in the Galactic Empire under Palpatine, other than them being traitors that tried to assassinate the Emperor and take over the galaxy.
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I imagine the gang will seek Luke out to better understand the Sith threat. Sounds like a journey. Either way, I dig that they haven't shown him "properly" yet, and won't. Let it be a surprise. Besides, they've already used Harrison for the "nostalgia" aspect in the trailers.
And I have no problem with Luke (if he really didn't) not retraining the Jedi. Not training Leia. Just letting the knowledge die with him.
Maybe all knowledge of the force would be better of being forgotten, given all the wars that happen have occurred because of the jedi vs sith, its all about the force and to most people there is no difference….
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"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."
Something that lasted at least 10,000 years (depending on your defintion of generation) does NOT get forgotten in 50.
Specifics of the force may be a thing only trained jedi knew, okay, and that may become obscure. But the jedi themselves, all the things they wrote and did, aren't going to be myth that fast. No matter how much the emporer tries to squash it. Especially on a universal scale? We don't think Hitler or Napolean or Ceaser or Lincoln or Washington or Columbus were fantasy. Exaggerated maybe, but not something you question if they actually existed or not. You can get some people to deny we went to the moon, or that world war II happened, but… we still know it happened. And on the scale of an entire universe with tons of planets? And people still alive that personally knew Jedi? (And especially anyone around Han and Leia)
It just doesn't make sense.
It only works if it had been dying much, much more than that before Vader came.*not to mention, wouldn't the emporer have hunted for more apprentices in the interm? Was Luke really the first candidate to replace Vader in 30 years?)
Even 10,000 living Jedi is too many fifty years ago, especially when so many of them were so active and famous in the clone wars. Even with a genocide ordesr and systematic hunting... to have gotten it down to just two or three by the time of the original trilogy? In a universe that has recording technology and interplanetary message transmission? It had to have been super rare for a very long time to be that mythical, and for everyone to believe the guardians of peace (for 1000 generations!) had suddenly ALL turned.
Similarly, Yoda teaching Kenobi loses all meaning when he apparently trained hundreds of "younglings". The context of that no longer really works either.
Also, Threepio being built by Vader, Artoo knowing everything, Chewie being in on it, and Yoda choosing to go to Dagobah are pretty nonsensical as wel, but thats a different matter entirely.
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I hope the lack of Luke in the trailer doesn't mean he's the Darth Vader looking guy. Because that would be really stupid.
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If that turns out to be Luke, I'd almost bet money on him turning out to be the father of Main Character From Desert Planet Girl
And then Spock screams KHAAAAAAAAN!
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It only works if it had been dying much, much more than that before Vader came.
It pretty much was though; they had so few qualified fighters by the time the Prequel Era rolled around that they were sending Padawans into combat even during the Geonosis fight.
The Clone Wars killed tons of them as well.
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The lack of Luke is probably them not wanting to show off his beard, and whatever other changes he's been through. And at least pretend it'll be a surprise that Hamill is in it despite having announced pretty clearly he was in it year ago. Which means he probably shows up late in the film, while Han and Leia give the kids a sendoff in the first 20 minutes.
But I can't see them making him the villain. That's just… no.
@Daz:
If that turns out to be Luke, I'd almost bet money on him turning out to be the father of Main Character From Desert Planet Girl
I thought she was already confirmed as Han and Leia's daughter?
It pretty much was though; they had so few qualified fighters by the time the Prequel Era rolled around that they were sending Padawans into combat even during the Geonosis fight.
They only sent 200 Jedi to that. So either thats just who they had avaialble on short notice, (it is a big universe to cross after all) or the numbers were way lower than 10,000 at that point and they really only had like 30 Jedi left for all of the Clone Wars…. including retired ones. Still doesn't mesh with the number of children we saw... versus the complete lack of anyone force sensitive in the 30 years following.
Padawan is a difficult measure to go by though... given that the ones we saw in the the show were pretty competent and experienced, having graduated academy... called Jedi, given their own lightsabers... just without the experience to be a full Jedi Knight. Not much different than sending new recruits from a military base in a time of war.
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Maybe all knowledge of the force would be better of being forgotten, given all the wars that happen have occurred because of the jedi vs sith, its all about the force and to most people there is no difference….
And the tragedy of his own family.
It's really hard to think about the era before the prequels, considering that the Old Republic stuff isn't canon. So I'm thinking 'wars' - I'm sure there were some, but a Jedi vs Sith war of this scale? I don't quite recall what the Jedi council said about there not being any Sith threat for how many years, and the republic not having a grand army for how many years.
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Maybe all knowledge of the force would be better of being forgotten, given all the wars that happen have occurred because of the jedi vs sith, its all about the force and to most people there is no difference….
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You have to remember this is the same man that put people in torpedos, resurrected Kirk using tribbles and ripped off Spock's death shot for shot but in reverse.
Rehashing the Darth Vader reveal with Luke and desert girl being his daughter is not beyond him.
See, it's like poetry, it rhymes!
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J.J. Abrams did not write the script for Star Trek Into Darkness. Nor is J.J. Abrams writing the script for The Force Awakens. And I think it's fair to assume that the basic plot of the film was already determined long before Abrams was brought on to direct. Sure, he may have made some changes to the story himself too, but if the movie does indeed end up having Luke as the villain and it's all Abrams's idea… Well that sure is one hell of a major detail to just throw in to a story that was presumably, at least in broad strokes, already written.
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Thanks you for a trailer that doesn´t spoil the whole movie in 2 minutes.
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@TLC:
You have to remember this is the same man that put people in torpedos, resurrected Kirk using tribbles and ripped off Spock's death shot for shot but in reverse.
Rehashing the Darth Vader reveal with Luke and desert girl being his daughter is not beyond him.
See, it's like poetry, it rhymes!
Kurtzman and Orci responsible for trash like Amazing Spiderman 2 and Star Trek Into Darkness. Thankfully they are no way touching Star Wars
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trash like Amazing Spiderman 2
I…KINDA liked Peter and Gwen parts of that movie, before I watched I was sure it would be complete sh*t but it turned out only pretty bad movie with some good scenes throwed into it.
As for new Star Wars film... I have to say I am hyped, just have to avoid any further spoilers and speculations and enjoy the movie when it comes out...it can't be any worse than Episode 1 can it?
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I think the whole "The world has forgotten about the Jedi and the Dark Side" vibe of the trailer might be trailer editing. Like, it may make way more sense when we see that scene and dialog fully in context.
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How much is a Wookie's lifespan?
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How much is a Wookie's lifespan?
Very long. Don't know if they're considered Canon or not anymore thanks to the Disney Canon-purge, but guide books and stuff placed Wookie lifespan at Over 400 years.
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@TLC:
I hope the lack of Luke in the trailer doesn't mean he's the Darth Vader looking guy. Because that would be really stupid.
No need to worry he ain't Luke.
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No need to worry he ain't Luke.
I think Luke is that hooded man sitting on campfire patting r2. He seem to live like hermit
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I think Luke is that hooded man sitting on campfire patting r2. He seem to live like hermit
Why does every hero who saves the world, galaxy or whatever turns into a hermit in the end?
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Why does every hero who saves the world, galaxy or whatever turns into a hermit in the end?
Tired of saving whatever is endangered, Guilt at not being able to save what's endangered, Staying off the radar of the evil forces that want them dead.
You know the usual.
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Why does every hero who saves the world, galaxy or whatever turns into a hermit in the end?
Most of them are regular people who have bad situations forced on them and have no real desire for power or attention. Even somebody like Luke who wanted excitement and adventure would eventually get burned out by people constantly making demands for his attention whether because they want his help or just because they worship the guy.
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Following in Obi Wan's steps, y'know.
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Following in Obi Wan's steps, y'know.
Well, having a massive organization dedicated to murdering you would make a man inclined to avoid society. Probably true in Luke's case as well come to think of it.
I wonder what the actual Inquisition protocol would have been if one of them had actually found Kenobi. "Feed him stormtroopers while you run away and scream for Vader"?
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Why does every hero who saves the world, galaxy or whatever turns into a hermit in the end?
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Has anyone seen this international version of the trailer? I think it has one or two alternate scenes.
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Its called "That's the joke"
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Let's wash that out with some real Star Wars talk
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I stand by my stance, in all seriousness with no hint of irony or sarcasm, that Jar Jar Binks is by far the best character in the prequels.
Annoying? Yes. Barely in the second and third films due to backlash? Sure. Treated as a joke in the Clone Wars series? Yup.
But still the best character in those three movies. (Especially in the fan edits that change his voice to alien language.) He passes the Plinkett test and everything! Which is probably why he was the one character in E1 not subjected to it.
