Are still people around here who would rather see what team swirlyhat is doing right now?
Chapter 798: Heart
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Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
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@Don:
Are still people around here who would rather see what team swirlyhat is doing right now?
Dude Fuji fight? Sounds a helluva lot more interesting to me.
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Besides the crystal clear confrontation of Luffy and Issho (which most likely will back down), I'm eager to see Ussop's reaction to Luffy's comment and the action he'll take moving forward.
If Oda started to make things clear about Luffy's resolves, I think is also time for us to start seeing Ussop's resolves when it comes to this sort of situations as well.
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The thing is Kizaru position didn't change. Beckham was still targeting him and he was still in the same position. We even have Beckham commenting on him still wanting to go so it wasn't like Kizaru took him by surprise.
I know they didn't move, and maybe I should go back and re-read it, but it seemed like - since some time had passed and new things were going on (Shanks and whatnot) - he waited a bit and then attacked when Beckham was a bit less ready for it.
But if that's not the case - if Beckham was fully attentive that whole (fairly small) time - then I'll happily concede the point.
Can anyone point me to the chapter or chapter number so I can re-read it?
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@uniaka:
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Aokiji shows up after Fujitora beats Luffy, to retrieve Burgess or what's left of him. Luffy and team escape.
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Luffy battles Fujitora with g4, uses his df power to escape along with the ship.
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Fujitora plays his ''dice'' one more time: ''To fight Straw hat or not to?'' Luffy is saved by the dice
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Sanji gets bored of kicking Kaidou's crew at Zou, goes to Dressrosa, kicks Fujitora'as and saves everyone.
Take your pick
Of course it's gonna be 4.
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Dude Fuji fight? Sounds a helluva lot more interesting to me.
You are more interested in a fight that will never happen or won't even last 4 pages than seeing what happened to half of the crew for the past 3 days? Umm k.. Guess people are really different.
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Watching the anime the other day, I noticed that majority of Royalties in one piece has a blonde hair, mostly the worldnobles.
When Doflamingo dad was giving up his nobility every single one of them had blonde hair, is that anime mistake or is that confirmed by Oda?
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CC for nakama.
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You are more interested in a fight that will never happen or won't even last 4 pages than seeing what happened to half of the crew for the past 3 days? Umm k.. Guess people are really different.
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Watching the anime the other day, I noticed that majority of Royalties in one piece has a blonde hair, mostly the worldnobles.
When Doflamingo dad was giving up his nobility every single one of them had blonde hair, is that anime mistake or is that confirmed by Oda?
Light hair is just commoly associated with nobility.
Gold association and all that.
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The nobles have hair of various colors in the same scene in the manga (chapter 763). Some have it light, some have it dark. And even if the anime showed them all to have light hair, it already showed the dark-haired St. Charloss.
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The Nefertari family doesn't have blonde hair and they are technically World Nobles.
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The Nefertari family doesn't have blonde hair and they are technically World Nobles.
It helps that they kept themselves away from the inbreeding.
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I know they didn't move, and maybe I should go back and re-read it, but it seemed like - since some time had passed and new things were going on (Shanks and whatnot) - he waited a bit and then attacked when Beckham was a bit less ready for it.
But if that's not the case - if Beckham was fully attentive that whole (fairly small) time - then I'll happily concede the point.
Can anyone point me to the chapter or chapter number so I can re-read it?
End of chapter 579- First half of 580. I rather not pick specific page to alter your perception.
Shanks gets there(with Beckam and is gun). Akainu and everyone are asking how are they are here. Then Akainu shouts to take care of Luffy and the admirals resume their chase like nothing happened. Luckily submarine gets away and Sengoku end the war.
In the process we have Kizaru holding his end up when greeting Beckam that just appeared and shot Luffy as soon as the surprise settled down.
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@Don:
Are still people around here who would rather see what team swirlyhat is doing right now?
Yup.
I hope that we will get entire volume on their adventure time - against Big Moms crew, on Zou or rather "water island" and perhaps their conflict with Capone(I think he went after Swirlyhats to get Cesar).
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where is this chapter already, im in the hospital need something to cheer me up
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Get better man.
Try Onepunch Man(redrawn) from One and Murata.
Really good manga for cheering and art/action will blow you away.
Seconded. OnePunch man is excellent. If you ever get current, though, just remember: The author very rarely keeps his "expected next episode" dates… The next episode was suppose to be weeks ago, if I recall. But there are about 80 chapters, so you can definitely spend a bit of time on it. Also, apparently an anime is being released in... October?
What do you mean redrawn?
Edit: I just realized the original was a webcomic; I thought what I was reading was the original (the only), but it was the redrawn one! Yeah... definitely do redrawn. That'll cheer ya up in the hospital, I'll bet.
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If Luffy can use gear fourth longer than when he used it against Doflamingo I think he could stand toe to toe with admirals, no question about it. That time limit is what concerns me, plus whereas Doffy was dodging gear third attacks Fujitora just tanked it, so Luffy without gear fourth isn't packing enough punch still. He'll showcase his improvement but against someone who slightly has a soft spot for him from this arc I don't think Fujitora will go all out either but he'll do enough to show Luffy he needs to improve still.
He didn't tank it, he blocked it, and Doflamingo did that too.
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Seconded. One Piece man is excellent. If you ever get current, though, just remember: The author very rarely keeps his "expected next episode" dates… The next episode was suppose to be weeks ago, if I recall. But there are about 80 chapters, so you can definitely spend a bit of time on it. Also, apparently an anime is being released in... October?
What do you mean redrawn?
Edit: I just realized the original was a webcomic; I thought what I was reading was the original (the only), but it was the redrawn one! Yeah... definitely do redrawn. That'll cheer ya up in the hospital, I'll bet.
where is this chapter already, im in the hospital need something to cheer me up
This is link to redrawn version:
http://mangafox.me/manga/onepunch_man/v01/c001/2.htmlAnd here to terribly badly drawn (but not any less awesome) original
http://bato.to/read/_/206855/onepunch-man-original_ch1_by_el-thor
Though there is jump in chapter - from 3rd to 28th so its good to get back to read original after reading redrawn(that is still far behind original when it comes to story progress).
If you want to spoil yourself Ned then check out Ones original and what will happen later on in OPM
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What happened to the Conqueror's Haki hype?? Is the only purpose to knock out fodders?? I was expecting more from it since even a yonkou and admirals acknowledged Luffy for having it. We didn't see much either against Doffy vs Luffy.
Because right now, aside form SH allies, that's the only edge for Luffy against Fujitora.
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What happened to the Conqueror's Haki hype?? Is the only purpose to knock out fodders?? I was expecting more from it since even a yonkou and admirals acknowledged Luffy for having it. We didn't see much either against Doffy vs Luffy.
Because right now, aside form SH allies, that's the only edge for Luffy against Fujitora.
Do we know that Fujitora doesn't have it? Destroying the Shichibukai system is a nice ambition.
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Where did Burgess go anyway, he wouldn't be out longer than Luffy right?
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Having fujitora back down from his word and orders that he will take down luffy while at the same time luffy backing down from his definitive statement about beating these heavy foes now instead of running would be terrible writing because it is a simple contradiction of the resolve of these characters. Battles resolve issues and luffys answer for the admiral is battle it out and likewise for fujitora.
First of all, Luffy doesn't want to run away anymore no matter who it is. He'll have to be able to take all of them on eventually, but at this time just getting an Admiral to back down would be an accomplishment. Going from not being able to take on an Admiral to giving enough damage to make Fujitora back away is a massive change. Beating him now, especially since he is quite tired still from the battle, is not something that will happen. It would still count as a victory since it wasn't Luffy that backed away, but the other person.
As for Fujitora, there is nothing contradictory for him to back away when the odds are against him. He's been beaten up a bit, and he's probably getting tired due to the effects of Mansherry. He needs to grab both Luffy and Law if he wants to get back into good standing. Even if Luffy is down, he would consider taking Luffy a bad idea, as he has a number of back up, one being an ex-shikibukai and another one being Luffy's 1st mate. Along with the likes of Bartolomeo, Cavendish, and Sai, he will not be able to get past all of them to make his goal. Him retreating would be to wait until a better opportunity arrives. If he decides to not pursue them anymore because of that one scuffle, that would be bad writing.
With the scenario playing out that way, we get a number of ideas. One is get an idea of how much Luffy still has to improve to get to the top. We got a small idea at Fishman Island with his haki being overtaken by Hodi, but he was still small fry. The other big idea is the image of Admiral being untouchable will be shattered. Fujitora will still look like a beast, but he has to be careful when fighting pirates in the New World, as they can pose a threat individually or in numbers.
In the end, it comes down to what Oda ends up doing and how it's executed. For now it's speculation which this weeks chapter should give a better sense of what to expect.
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Do we know that Fujitora doesn't have it? Destroying the Shichibukai system is a nice ambition.
King of Anti-shichibukai.. No, I don't think so. hehe
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@Don:
Are still people around here who would rather see what team swirlyhat is doing right now?
Yes, I would rather see their fight with big mom then whatever dance between Fujitora and Luffy. C'mon we saw them once in 1,5-2 years, and chapter wasn't even about them, was about Kaidou.
And I don't think the fight between Fuji and Luffy will be very legit. Fujitora still has to show his real power, luffy can't lose because that would be bad for all.
I think the most fair scenario is that luffy will get help from zoro and law. But would that make sengoku and tsuru help fujitora too?
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Interesting chapter. Cant wait to see what Luffy has to bring to the table. Although something tells me the fight will get interrupted. By what means I really can't fathom. Gotta give it to the Sengoku / Law convo. Even tho we didn't have a previous setup to Sengoku/Rocinante relationship it still gave me a lil bit of feels. Kinda dissapointed that they brought up the D in the convo but not much was revealed about it. Now, Fuji tanking a G3 attack while Luffy declares no more running really left me in awe. Although Im not into the power level discussion I seem to wonder how he'll keep up if G4 is limited on time and as it seems takes a really big toll on Luffys body. Aunque… at this point in the story he does have to stand up on his own to an Admiral, not necessarily beat one but at least hold one back. Hopefully next chapter we get a full coverage on that instead of a jump over to another scene type of thing. Althou I wouldn't mind seeing the Swirlyhats or even KHA aftermath
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Yeah by the end of the war the admirals suffered no injury except akainu, the white beard alliance included 20 new world captains whom all seems powerefull in the own right , plus 50 or more levels 2-3 (50 million bounty) impel down run abous.
As someone mentioned before the marines utterly dominated in my opinion, and had teach not arrived but the war continued against the red hair pirates, I'm pretty sure they would have been defeated as well from my interpretation of it.
Also lets take out of the account that supposedly their 2 stronger fighters did nothing, especially sengoku who seemed to be in his prime.
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If one considers the force of each faction separately (Marines, Yonko Crew, Revolutionaries), then the Marines come out on top. I think there is a misconception with the Marines being a weak force, which stems from the Marines having to operate carefully in the balance of power.
It's been well established that the great age of piracy was started by Rogers speech, and this lead up to the current struggle against Yonko and a great influx of pirates. The Marines along with having forces belonging to the World Government have a strong hold on most of the world. They can easily take out most small time pirates, and they are big enough that Yonkos don't just storm them to take out an inconvenience. The Admirals strong and can take on the strongest of pirates and though with struggle, could take down a Yonko crew. Home field advantage helped out a good bit, but even then we go t an idea of their strength. The problem for them comes with the bigger picture, which this is the same for the Yonkos in some way.
If a large force of Marines just went out to take down a crew, the base would be ripe for the picking and they would lose that. Count in the fact that they would be heavily damaged from one fight, another Yonko could just come in and take them down. This is the same for the Yonko and why there is a stalemate. They can take on one crew, but if they come out on top a different crew could easily come in, finish them off, then triple their territory and power in one fell swoop. This is where the Marines keeping a check on each crew comes in. Each individual Yonko doesn't pose a threat, but when one comes on top and accumulates the power of all the pirates, they are suddenly facing a force they most likely could not handle.
When it came to the war, White Beard was the last of the major pirates from the Roger pirate era. Him being taken down was not only taking down a threat to them, but was also to show that the age of piracy is over. If they could stop that age, the chances of a major threat would be gone. Instead, White Beard rekindled the fire, and instead of the Yonko problem decreasing, Black Beard took the power of White Beard and filled the hole. The war for them in the end did more harm than good. Each Admiral is strong enough they could take a Yonko on, but all together they can't hope to take on everyone. This is why they are doing weapons research and want the ancient weapons.
In the end, I'm pretty sure Yonko and Admiral are basically on the same level, and differences are small enough that it comes down to how the battle plays out. However, the delicate balance of power stops any side from making a move, and can only build their arsenal until the time is right. With Kaido declaring he will start the greatest war ever, the take down of Doflamingo, and the individual building of powers, we should be seeing the various powers stir.
Apologies for the tangent.
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He touched sugar hand To be forgotten then as toy kidnapped her in order To turn back And left
That is genius hahaha, it is a ridiculously op fruit after all.
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@The:
If one considers the force of each faction separately (Marines, Yonko Crew, Revolutionaries), then the Marines come out on top. I think there is a misconception with the Marines being a weak force, which stems from the Marines having to operate carefully in the balance of power.It's been well established that the great age of piracy was started by Rogers speech, and this lead up to the current struggle against Yonko and a great influx of pirates. The Marines along with having forces belonging to the World Government have a strong hold on most of the world. They can easily take out most small time pirates, and they are big enough that Yonkos don't just storm them to take out an inconvenience. The Admirals strong and can take on the strongest of pirates and though with struggle, could take down a Yonko crew. Home field advantage helped out a good bit, but even then we go t an idea of their strength. The problem for them comes with the bigger picture, which this is the same for the Yonkos in some way.If a large force of Marines just went out to take down a crew, the base would be ripe for the picking and they would lose that. Count in the fact that they would be heavily damaged from one fight, another Yonko could just come in and take them down. This is the same for the Yonko and why there is a stalemate. They can take on one crew, but if they come out on top a different crew could easily come in, finish them off, then triple their territory and power in one fell swoop. This is where the Marines keeping a check on each crew comes in. Each individual Yonko doesn't pose a threat, but when one comes on top and accumulates the power of all the pirates, they are suddenly facing a force they most likely could not handle. When it came to the war, White Beard was the last of the major pirates from the Roger pirate era. Him being taken down was not only taking down a threat to them, but was also to show that the age of piracy is over. If they could stop that age, the chances of a major threat would be gone. Instead, White Beard rekindled the fire, and instead of the Yonko problem decreasing, Black Beard took the power of White Beard and filled the hole. The war for them in the end did more harm than good. Each Admiral is strong enough they could take a Yonko on, but all together they can't hope to take on everyone. This is why they are doing weapons research and want the ancient weapons.In the end, I'm pretty sure Yonko and Admiral are basically on the same level, and differences are small enough that it comes down to how the battle plays out. However, the delicate balance of power stops any side from making a move, and can only build their arsenal until the time is right. With Kaido declaring he will start the greatest war ever, the take down of Doflamingo, and the individual building of powers, we should be seeing the various powers stir. Apologies for the tangent.
Great post. Also it might be obvious but the fact there are 4 yonko and 3 admirals plus one fleet admirals points to the ultimate balance.
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He didn't tank it, he blocked it, and Doflamingo did that too.
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Still have to say blocking with a sword held up by his arm and infused with haki is far more impressive than blocking an attack with a DF ability.
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What happened to the Conqueror's Haki hype?? Is the only purpose to knock out fodders?? I was expecting more from it since even a yonkou and admirals acknowledged Luffy for having it. We didn't see much either against Doffy vs Luffy.
Because right now, aside form SH allies, that's the only edge for Luffy against Fujitora.
Conqueror's Haki is considered strong because someone who has it, can incapicitate 3/4 of your army by his presence alone. Now imagine a King going to conquer other lands with his army and he has this. Very soon the world becomes his.
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@LordEnel:
Yeah by the end of the war the admirals suffered no injury except akainu, the white beard alliance included 20 new world captains whom all seems powerefull in the own right , plus 50 or more levels 2-3 (50 million bounty) impel down run abous.
As someone mentioned before the marines utterly dominated in my opinion, and had teach not arrived but the war continued against the red hair pirates, I'm pretty sure they would have been defeated as well from my interpretation of it.
Also lets take out of the account that supposedly their 2 stronger fighters did nothing, especially sengoku who seemed to be in his prime.
When I read posts like this one, I think that I've been reading a different manga. What "utter domination"? The Red Hair Pirates would have been defeated?? lol. And Sengoku was in his prime? He was in his prime 24 years ago when he was an Admiral and he fought against Shiki in Marineford. In the war he was an old geezer (like Garp) and the fact that he retired just moments after the war is proof of that.
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@LordEnel:
As someone mentioned before the marines utterly dominated
Did you take into consideration the very reason they dominated the way they did? Did you spend a single thought on the "why" and "how"?
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Since when we're Admirals and Yonko stated to be on the same level? Could've sworn they were implied to be alot stronger than the admirals. Just look at how much stronger Whitebeard was compared to Akainu lol
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Nice discussion and all but my biggest problem with that specific arc is: Why did the Mad Red Dog just stopped his rampage as soon as Shanks arrived?
I been wondering that for ages now and Darth once tried to defend his homeboy, but gosh!
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Nice discussion and all but my biggest problem with that specific arc is: Why did the Mad Red Dog just stopped his rampage as soon as Shanks arrived?
I been wondering that for ages now and Darth once tried to defend his homeboy, but gosh!
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Cause Shanks would wreck him and a lot of his force. It was a bad move. He knew it.
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Since when we're Admirals and Yonko stated to be on the same level? Could've sworn they were implied to be alot stronger than the admirals. Just look at how much stronger Whitebeard was compared to Akainu lol
You mean attacking him from behind and not leaving any lasting injury. Much stronger indeed.
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
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He would have turned a clear win with little to no damage to the marines aside from the split HQ to a massacre on both sides. The marines have done all they could to minimize their usage of human forces with lot's of devices, not even Sakazuki is that dumb to risk a clear annihilation of an emperors influence and force. Let's not forget that like 80% of marine forces were stationed there at that point.
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King of Anti-shichibukai.. No, I don't think so. hehe
Or maybe he's a king from a far away land. who knows. But right now, I'm 100% sure he's not a user.I can't say 100% sure, cause hey, we might be surprised, but I do agree with your point: It's called conqueror's or king's haki for a reason. Fuji has no aspirations of conquering anything - maybe he would have "dismantler's" haki, if that were a thing :P - but not king's…
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Nice discussion and all but my biggest problem with that specific arc is: Why did the Mad Red Dog just stopped his rampage as soon as Shanks arrived?
I been wondering that for ages now and Darth once tried to defend his homeboy, but gosh!
Surprise? Everyone stopped. And he was the first to react by telling the others to take care of Luffy. Then Sengoku stopped everything. I found it pretty normal he wouldn't attack Shanks right away since it's new part of the equation and the fleet admiral call the shots.
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Surprise? Everyone stopped. And he was the first to react by telling the others to take care of Luffy. Then Sengoku stopped everything. I found it pretty normal he wouldn't attack Shanks right away since it's new part of the equation and the fleet admiral call the shots.
Surprise? May be, but it doesn't change the fact that he came to a full halt and didn't say a word before or after Shanks said everything he wanted to say, challenge everyone he wanted to challenge and the only one who said something to Sengoku was a Vice Admiral, A Vice Admiral of all people.
I would assume that someone as mad as that guy will just keep ordering his man to dispose of every pirate in the bay and not just become a stray dog as soon as he faces reality.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Surprise? May be, but it doesn't change the fact that he came to a full halt and didn't say a word before or after Shanks said everything he wanted to say, challenge everyone he wanted to challenge and the only one who said something to Sengoku was a Vice Admiral, A Vice Admiral of all people.I would assume that someone as mad as that guy will just keep ordering his man to dispose of every pirate in the bay and not just become a stray dog as soon as he faces reality.
He is actually the first to react and tell to be done with Luffy while Sengoku and the rest are still wondering.
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-580-page-6.htmlAttacking another yonko crew, that isn't yet hostile? Fleet admiral decision.
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Surprise? May be, but it doesn't change the fact that he came to a full halt and didn't say a word before or after Shanks said everything he wanted to say, challenge everyone he wanted to challenge and the only one who said something to Sengoku was a Vice Admiral, A Vice Admiral of all people.
I would assume that someone as mad as that guy will just keep ordering his man to dispose of every pirate in the bay and not just become a stray dog as soon as he faces reality.Akainu's not an idiot. Maybe he was calculating his odds of victory and casualties against Shanks. Shanks's crew were all fresh and presumably they would be opposing the aggressor in the final stage, the marines. As Schabrak said, the marines had clearly won up to that point, but they were still pretty beat up. A four-way battle between Shanks, the marines, Blackbeard, and Whitebeard's crew introduces too many variables to be worth the risk of further combat.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Surprise? May be, but it doesn't change the fact that he came to a full halt and didn't say a word before or after Shanks said everything he wanted to say, challenge everyone he wanted to challenge and the only one who said something to Sengoku was a Vice Admiral, A Vice Admiral of all people.
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Obviously One Piece is a LITTLE better about this than Dragonball Z but… Two people fight, everyone else just onlooks, and if freeza wants to transform or goku wants to power up, then make sure to all do nothing and just let it happen.
I find that sort of thing unrealistic and silly, but asking why shanks was allowed to talk seems to he like asking why freeza is allowed to transform; it strikes me as just a narrative tool.
Now if course we do want some sort of in universe explanation. For DBZ, I doubt I can give one. For one piece though: as others have said, regardless of who tends to be stronger - admirals or yonkou (or if that discussion even makes sense), the obvious answer is that Shanks really represents some sort of threat. He is to be taken seriously.
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Obviously One Piece is a LITTLE better about this than Dragonball Z but… Two people fight, everyone else just onlooks, and if freeza wants to transform or goku wants to power up, then make sure to all do nothing and just let it happen.
I find that sort of thing unrealistic and silly, but asking why shanks was allowed to talk seems to he like asking why freeza is allowed to transform; it strikes me as just a narrative tool.
Now if course we do want some sort of in universe explanation. For DBZ, I doubt I can give one. For one piece though: as others have said, regardless of who tends to be stronger - admirals or yonkou (or if that discussion even makes sense), the obvious answer is that Shanks really represents some sort of threat. He is to be taken seriously.
My problem is not that Shanks was allow to talk, my problem is that Akainu stopped his assault completely. Akainu faced the whole Whitebeard commanders alone in order to get a hold of Luffy but when Shanks showed up he became docile all of a sudden, that's my problem.
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My problem is not that Shanks was allow to talk, my problem is that Akainu stopped his assault completely. Akainu faced the whole Whitebeard commanders alone in order to get a hold of Luffy but when Shanks showed up he became docile all of a sudden, that's my problem.
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Then there are at least two ways to go with this from here. First:
The narrative answer still stands. They wanted all the action to be on Shanks - Shanks is here, he has to do his thing, everyone else does nothing. That is what happened, despite it being perhaps unbelievable, and this is comparable to DBZ: People can be vicious one moment, and then just patiently waiting for their doom the next.
The in-world answer might still stand. If shanks was saying everyone stop, then Akainu might have to consider whether or not to actually stop, if he takes Shanks seriously. I do also like an explanation above that he is waiting on Sengoku; that could he explains why when he does start acting again, he goes back to what he was doing - ordering people to finish Luffy - rather than starting a new fight with Shanks.
I like that in-world answer, but you might not. It is entirely possible that it really was only a narrative tool, to show off Shanks.
(Side-note: We might even want to say it was an effect of Shanks' CoC; we have good reason to believe he is a monster with CoC, and it is entirely possible that - given the state of Akainu and everyone else at the time - Shanks' mere presence caused Akainu to temporarily stop fighting)
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You mean attacking him from behind and not leaving any lasting injury. Much stronger indeed.
How bout pawning him to the point where Akainu couldn't move for a while (he did fall down with the debris) and all that while sick, heavily wounded and right after Akainu melted like a quarter of his head off.
Akainu damned him while falling down, he didn't laugh and comment how it tickled him. The implication was pretty clear to me.
Lasting injuries are more an anomaly than a rule in OP. Usually, stab throughs and cuts are the only attacks that leave scars and WB used neither when fighting Akainu.
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Akainu's not an idiot. Maybe he was calculating his odds of victory and casualties against Shanks.
He MIGTH not be an idiot but thinking about casualties was not on his mind cuz he kept being reckless and sacrificing his troops to the point where Coby had to step up and almost got himself killed because Akainu wanted to keep slaughtering pirates.
Shanks's crew were all fresh and presumably they would be opposing the aggressor in the final stage, the marines. As Schabrak said, the marines had clearly won up to that point, but they were still pretty beat up. A four-way battle between Shanks, the marines, Blackbeard, and Whitebeard's crew introduces too many variables to be worth the risk of further combat.
I bet you Akainu didn't have that type of thought in mind. I completely understand that this was not the right place for Oda to showcased the Redhair Pirates, but gosh.
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How bout pawning him to the point where Akainu couldn't move for a while (he did fall down with the debris) and all that while sick, heavily wounded and right after Akainu melted like a quarter of his head off.
Akainu damned him while falling down, he didn't laugh and comment how it tickled him. The implication was pretty clear to me.
Lasting injuries are more an anomaly than a rule in OP. Usually, stab throughs and cuts are the only attacks that leave scars and WB used neither when fighting Akainu.
He was taken by surprise and even then he must not have faint since there was water in the bottom of the crevasse. I really think the exchange more proof of Akainu's strength rather than Whitebeard's. Guy get's attacked from behind(particularly effective in that manga) by a enraged WB( anger boost), yet he still takes part of the guy face, dig a path underground and proceed to wreck the rest of the strongest crew.
Having been here so long you know that thing is an endless debate with always the same arguments.
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He was taken by surprise and even then he must not have faint since there was water in the bottom of the crevasse. I really think the exchange more proof of Akainu's strength rather than Whitebeard's. Guy get's attacked from behind(particularly effective in that manga) by a enraged WB( anger boost), yet he still takes part of the guy face, dig a path underground and proceed to wreck the rest of the strongest crew.
Having been here so long you know that thing is an endless debate with always the same arguments.
I know, can't help but take a small part in it. :ninja:
Anyway, at that time, considering all, I was more impressed with Whitebeard than with Akainu. The surprise attack doesn't really weigh things towards Akainu for me. Akainu also punched a hole through Whitebeard's chest after the latter had a caugh attack.
Not saying Akainu should have waited for it to stop. And Whitebeard can't be blamed that Akainu wasn't facing him. We've heard before that a wound on the back is a shame for a swordsman. At the end of the battle, it is further emphasized when Oda reveals Whitebeard didn't have a single wound on his back. Akainu being attacked from behind is his own fault and one might even call it a sign of weakness. When compared to Whitebeard, anyway.
