The amount of times he's been beaten kind of negates his reputation don't you think? Whitebeard and Shanks never suffered losses.
Chapter 795: Suicide
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The amount of times he's been beaten kind of negates his reputation don't you think? Whitebeard and Shanks never suffered losses.
Not necessarily. He probably fights more and throws himself into more dangerous and unfavorable situations on purpose. If anything, it makes him even more fearsome.
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The amount of times he's been beaten kind of negates his reputation don't you think? Whitebeard and Shanks never suffered losses.
Shanks got his arm bitten by a sea monster in the weakest blue. Also has one big scar from Blackbeard. So despite our lack of knowledge on his carrier, he doesn't have anything on Kaido.
Whitebeard may have never lost. But that would be true only if him and Roger always tied or he never met a match when he was weaker.
7 loss from rookie to Suicidal yonko is a crazy good track record.
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I want to say it's not Zou. But I only think that because Law's crew hasn't shown up. Plus there's Kaido's underlings and supposedly a hiding Samurai. Not that the crew hasn't miraculously wound up on islands that they needed to before…But it still seems like a lot of plot points to all be conveniently in one spot. Maybe that's for the best though if it's the fastest way to get the whole crew back together.
I really doubt it's Zou. It's very likely SH had to take a detour during whatever the hell happened to them.
Zou seems to be some kind of safe harbour where someone influential lives. Otherwise, I'm not sure why Law was comfortable with leaving his crew there or why Samurai wanted to go there. This island with it's water eruptions doesn't exactly look safe to live on. What's more, nobody mentioned Law's crew or talked about finding them in this chapter.
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- He isn't a suicidal idiot. He's bored with how seemingly immortal he is and that no one can kill that trying to kill himself has become a hobby. That's literally what the chapter is about.
- Getting captured probably is part after him trying to find a way to kill himself.
- You literally just answered your question. He's strong and can't be killed. Who doesn't want to be behind that?
But that just wants to destroy the world because he can't leave it??? I wouldn't follow someone with that mentality, no matter the territory and strength. Of course an opinion I'd take Shanks or even blackbeard. He is always attempting suicide…his subordinates don't necessarily no he will not die, what if plot armor was not there and he did die, his crew is basically screwed
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I love that Brook has his top hat back. I liked his crown a lot, but I prefer his other hat. It gives me hope for Chopper. I liked his older hat too.
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I really doubt it's Zou. It's very likely SH had to take a detour during whatever the hell happened to them.
Zou seems to be some kind of safe harbour where someone influential lives. Otherwise, I'm not sure why Law was comfortable with leaving his crew there or why Samurai wanted to go there. This island with it's water eruptions doesn't exactly look safe to live on. What's more, nobody mentioned Law's crew or talked about finding them in this chapter.
Yeah that's also what I thought. Although I briefly thought hiding on a elementally dangerous island is a good idea. Which is why Punk Hazard made sense, but also that it would be weird to repeat that in back to back arcs so I didn't include that in my initial response to Kaptayn.
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I really doubt it's Zou. It's very likely SH had to take a detour during whatever the hell happened to them.
Zou seems to be some kind of safe harbour where someone influential lives. Otherwise, I'm not sure why Law was comfortable with leaving his crew there or why Samurai wanted to go there. This island with it's water eruptions doesn't exactly look safe to live on. What's more, nobody mentioned Law's crew or talked about finding them in this chapter.
It is probably Zou, as the water volcano simulates an elephant's trunk.
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well i might remember wrong but maybe caesar is just so full of himself that he doesnt think he could ever fail at his experiments thus would not hurt the children(he might even think he was helping them). Might be a loop. Like i said, dont remember if he ever said he doesnt care if the children die. Hell even his super dangerous weapon of mass destruction was NOT lethal. It simply stun them with the chance to return them to normal.
He didn't. He knew that the experiment would fail and that the children would die.
Those first batch of children were for data gathering. Then he would try for real with a second batch.
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what if plot armor was not there and he did die, his crew is basically screwed
"what if what makes him strong him and invulnerable isn't there"
are you hearing yourself
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"what if what makes him strong him and invulnerable isn't there"
are you hearing yourself
Your not getting the fact we as readers only know this because oda is telling us this..his subordinates do not know…unless there is some power we are not aware of yet...
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Your not getting the fact we as readers only know this because oda is telling us this..his subordinates do not know…unless there is some power we are not aware of yet...
…I don't even understand what you're trying to say anymore.
That's what literally this chapter is about. Telling us "This is Kaidou. He's super strong, and seemingly unkillable." What is your point? His subordinates do not know what? That he's strong invulnerable? Why do you think he's a Yonkou if his subordinates aren't that their captain is strong? "Unless there is some power we are not aware yet". What? Of course. As readers we should have common sense enough to think that there's more to kaidou's invulnerability. That's like, how story telling is. Oda hasn't done any else different with other powerhouses that had unknown powers. It's not "plot armor". It's storytelling.
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1. Whitebeard
2. Shanks
3. Garp/Sengoku
4. Big Mom?
5. Dragon?
6. Forgot Roger!
7. No clue
all guesses of course.
8. Luffy (duh!)
9. Blackbeard (if his fruit gives him immortality, guess who can actually kill him?)
Nah, Blackbeard is a pussy, maybe if he and his goons gang up on him like they did Whitebeard.
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Nah, Blackbeard is a pussy, maybe if he and his goons gang up on him like they did Whitebeard.
Isn't it implied that most of his losses came to groups of people instead of individuals? The only other real option is that the majority occurred before he was considered the strongest individual in the world.
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…I don't even understand what you're trying to say anymore.
That's what literally this chapter is about. Telling us "This is Kaidou. He's super strong, and seemingly unkillable." What is your point? His subordinates do not know what? That he's strong invulnerable? Why do you think he's a Yonkou if his subordinates aren't that their captain is strong? "Unless there is some power we are not aware yet". What? Of course. As readers we should have common sense enough to think that there's more to kaidou's invulnerability. That's like, how story telling is. Oda hasn't done any else different with other powerhouses that had unknown powers. It's not "plot armor". It's storytelling.
Your following a man only worried about his own death…his hatred for the world stems from this...get it??? I jumped to conclusions, I'm interested in reading more of the story sorry you feel some type of way.
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After this Chapter im quite sure that Caesar is next nakama…. He already interacts like a real member and he fits the strawhats perfectly with his character and ability.
Hook, line and…
Usopp literally said Ceasar is the type of guy Luffy hates most. How is he ever Nakama material?
…Sinker.
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Hook, line and…
...Sinker.
The straw hats actions give him a change of heart and he pulls off a HUGE redemption move (and I mean great good deed) and it becomes just because Caesar is bad guy doesn't mean Caesar is..bad…guyy...ya know
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Hook, line and…
...Sinker.
The straw hats actions give him a change of heart and he pulls off a HUGE redemption move (and I mean great good deed) and it becomes just because Caesar is bad guy doesn't mean Caesar is..bad…guyy...ya know
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Your not getting the fact we as readers only know this because oda is telling us this..his subordinates do not know…unless there is some power we are not aware of yet...
His title is strongest creature of the world & his strength is common knowledge since anyone would bet on him on a fight.
While I agree it is strange to follow him and I am surprise he has any territories… His strength is not a good argument against it. His suicidal tendencies are.
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just because Caesar is bad guy doesn't mean Caesar is..bad…guyy...ya know
How to I even respond to that?
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Ok I'm super sold on Kaido being a dragon Zoan. I didn't really care to even guess at first but after Robby pointed out Kaido's mustache and scales I started looking into it.
I looked up Kaido and it's like a super long road in Japan. So I'm thinking to myself what's the connection between a long road and a dragon? Like the level in Sonic Unleashed and Mario Kart 8?
Come on! Dragon roads are a thing in Japan I guess. This will be him right?! Aren't dragons like this supposed to be immortal or something? Whats the deal with that big dragon in Dragon Ball? Never read it but I always figured he was some wish giving immortal.
Aside from Ryuma, this could explain why Kinemon hated dragons so much and why they reacted so strongly to Kaido's name. If he is anything like Momo with his flying ability this could explain how he got up to the sky island by himself as well.
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Not necessarily. He probably fights more and throws himself into more dangerous and unfavorable situations on purpose. If anything, it makes him even more fearsome.
So if him getting beat multiple times in the past hasn't wrestled him from his seat of power, what will be different when Luffy does it?
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So if him getting beat multiple times in the past hasn't wrestled him from his seat of power, what will be different when Luffy does it?
His crew getting there ass kicked, maybe. He seems to do his vendetta alone.
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Let's put it this way. Two possible stories:
1. There are 4 big rival bosses who never have lost any battle. And the plot is about how they are going to solve their rivalry.
2. There are 4 big rival bosses, and even if some of them have lost some battles, all of them are big bosses. And the plot is also about how they are going to solve their rivalry.What's the difference between those plots? Since in both plots, the author can design their bosses equally strong, the second provides you with a more interesting world-building, since it's not plain and you start to wonder what happened in the past. I prefer Kaidos being beaten in the past and now invincible in 1vs1 mode, than Kaido never beaten ever.
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Ok I'm super sold on Kaido being a dragon Zoan…
Mindblowing!!!!!!!!
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This just makes Roger more scary. Considering he is well above anyone now.
This is something I've been wondering, actually. Is Roger stronger than anyone around now? More generally, is it the case that old generation > current generation?
It is possible that prime whitebeard was around after Roger's somewhat early death, and then of course he was weakened prior to MF. It is hard to compare WB at the time of marineford to WB during Roger's time, since he could have peaked somewhere in the middle. And WB's strength is pretty much the best approximation we have of Roger's strength (Roger was stronger than Garp and probably Sengoku during his time, for sure, but him and WB were supposedly near equals).
While I'm on the topic: We have a lot of parallels between old and new (such as, hypothesized, garp and smoker (or maybe coby…)). I wonder who Luffy's WB is... It's not like him and BB have had a ton of skirmishes back and forth like Roger and WB did. On the other hand, there needn't be a parallel at all I guess, or it could be between Luffy and the rest of the supernovas more generally. More pirates on the seas = more rivals I guess.
(Before the bounty/global concern arguments: In Roger's time there were fewer serious pirates; it is possible global concern over Roger, WB, etc. was so high because they were really some of the few. Now that there are tons of pirates, bounty setting practices have likely changed, the marines have changed, and some pirates must be prioritized over others)
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Let's put it this way. Two possible stories:
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Mindblowing!!!!!!!!
lol You being sarcastic? Because when I thought about the Sonic and Mario games it really did blow my mind. I figured a kaido given dragon features is a fairly common thing in certain cultures.
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Well it seems like we're not getting a breather arc here. I hope Zou isn't going to be another big thing like it's seemingly is with the newest chapter. I really want a sillier or shorter arc before we go any further.
This is Zou/Mink Man island I'm sure of it. It may give us a bit of a breather but I have a feeling this island is pretty important to Kiado. Law did say everything would be moving very fast and we might not get a breather arc for a long time.
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This is something I've been wondering, actually. Is Roger stronger than anyone around now? More generally, is it the case that old generation > current generation?
Logically he was. Old Whitebeard was still the strongest and Roger in his prime would be stronger than that as they were rivals in their younger and healthy time.
While I'm on the topic: We have a lot of parallels between old and new (such as, hypothesized, garp and smoker (or maybe coby…)). I wonder who Luffy's WB is... It's not like him and BB have had a ton of skirmishes back and forth like Roger and WB did. On the other hand, there needn't be a parallel at all I guess, or it could be between Luffy and the rest of the supernovas more generally. More pirates on the seas = more rivals I guess.
Luffy is moving to fast to get a real rival(whithebeard), I think. Roger sailed the sea for quite some time before raftel(which is simply his last trip) while Luffy is sprinting to the goal.
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This is something I've been wondering, actually. Is Roger stronger than anyone around now? More generally, is it the case that old generation > current generation?
It is possible that prime whitebeard was around after Roger's somewhat early death, and then of course he was weakened prior to MF. It is hard to compare WB at the time of marineford to WB during Roger's time, since he could have peaked somewhere in the middle. And WB's strength is pretty much the best approximation we have of Roger's strength (Roger was stronger than Garp and probably Sengoku during his time, for sure, but him and WB were supposedly near equals).
While I'm on the topic: We have a lot of parallels between old and new (such as, hypothesized, garp and smoker (or maybe coby…)). I wonder who Luffy's WB is... It's not like him and BB have had a ton of skirmishes back and forth like Roger and WB did.
(Before the bounty/global concern arguments: In Roger's time there were fewer serious pirates; it is possible global concern over Roger, WB, etc. was so high because they were really some of the few. Now that there are tons of pirates, bounty setting practices have likely changed, the marines have changed, and some pirates must be prioritized over others)
Well I believe that it's very well established that Roger was a very powerful man in his ERA. Just by seeing Whitebeard who was regarded at the strongest until his death, even with his health and age issues is incredible.
I look back on Chinjao's line when he asked Luffy if he had what it takes to surpass Roger, mentioning the Admirals and Yonkou that are in his way to the goal of One Piece.
Of course Roger will be surpassed EoS. I don't think there will be a legendary fight against the Pirate King Luffy like Whitebeard with Roger, although, I believe Oda will make it very clear with the more he reveals.
Such as seeing what the current Yonkou are like in fighting power, and matching them in our minds to an EoS BB and Luffy would make it abundantly clear that these guys have reached extreme levels.
To me, it would sort of be disappointing if the current Yonkou such as Big Mom and Kaido are at the level of Roger, Blackbeard seems to be the one who will eventually makes= a fine, distinguishable line between Emperors and himself along with Luffy.
On the other hand, there needn't be a parallel at all I guess, or it could be between Luffy and the rest of the supernovas more generally. More pirates on the seas = more rivals I guess.
I don't think Whitebeard was Rogers only Rival, it's just that Whitebeard was the only one to fight him equally. In comparison to Luffy, we will have Smoker, Coby, Akainu some Supernovas, but ultimately Blackbeard.
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While I'm on the topic: We have a lot of parallels between old and new (such as, hypothesized, garp and smoker (or maybe coby…)). I wonder who Luffy's WB is... It's not like him and BB have had a ton of skirmishes back and forth like Roger and WB did. On the other hand, there needn't be a parallel at all I guess, or it could be between Luffy and the rest of the supernovas more generally. More pirates on the seas = more rivals I guess.
I think Roger-Whitebeard rivalry can be split into certain categories 1) They fought each other (over what? territory? just to decide who is stronger?) but were of equal match 2) They clearly did not just have a hate-hate relationship but more of a friendly rivalry 3) They never allied with each other to attack/defend against anyone as per our current knowledge 4) Compared with each other as peers by the general OP world
Putting these categories w.r.t the characters we have now, I believe they all share some level of bond with the strawhats
Law - 2, 4
Kidd - 4
Blackbeard - 1, 3, 4(if you want to term the worst generation together as a peer level)Blackbeard seems like the obvious rival but perhaps not a healthy rivalry as the roger/WB one where Law could perhaps fit in
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Logically he was. Old Whitebeard was still the strongest and Roger in his prime would be stronger than that as they were rivals in their younger and healthy time.
Luffy is moving to fast to get a real rival(whithebeard), I think. Roger sailed the sea for quite some time before raftel(which is simply his last trip) while Luffy is sprinting to the goal.
I remember seeing Roger when he met Rayleigh and comparing him to what he looked like in his death.
There seemed to be quite the difference in age.
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I remember seeing Roger when he met Rayleigh and comparing him to what he looked like in his death.
There seemed to be quite the difference in age.
I think Brook also mention hearing about a rookie of that name.
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lol You being sarcastic? Because when I thought about the Sonic and Mario games it really did blow my mind. I figured a kaido given dragon features is a fairly common thing in certain cultures.
This is Zou/Mink Man island I'm sure of it. It may give us a bit of a breather but I have a feeling this island is pretty important to Kiado. Law did say everything would be moving very fast and we might not get a breather arc for a long time.
Not at all. I don't know about Sonic and Mario, but I like the idea of the dragon zoan fruit. It made me imagine something similar to Shenlong. And also it makes sense a dragon scares the people of wano.
I don't think that island in where Sanji and co are is Zou. It would be much of a coincidence. Tho it's possible.
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Logically he was. Old Whitebeard was still the strongest and Roger in his prime would be stronger than that as they were rivals in their younger and healthy time.
Luffy is moving to fast to get a real rival(whithebeard), I think. Roger sailed the sea for quite some time before raftel(which is simply his last trip) while Luffy is sprinting to the goal.
I think you're right about that second point.
The first one actually doesn't follow though. Say t1 represents the time when Roger and Whitebeard were rivals. Let's say t2 is some time after Roger's death, and before Marineford. And last, let's say t3 is marineford.
At t1, Roger > Whitebeard. We know cause… well... Roger was the Pirate King! WB and Roger fought "equally," but ultimately Roger came out on top. So, at t1, Roger > Whitebeard.
The question is, what about t2? Maybe Whitebeard was at his prime at t1.
If WB was at his prime at t1, then Whitebeard at t1 > Whitebeard at t2.
Since Whitebeard at t3 was near death, we know that he is weaker than his prime - likely his weakest ever. So Whitebeard at t1 > Whitebeard at t2 > Whitebeard at t3.BUT, this is on the assumption that Whitebeard was at his prime while Roger was still alive. Not an unreasonable assumption, but a contentful assumption none the less; if this was a matter strictly of logic, we wouldn't need to rely on an assumption that we couldn't prove. So, what's the alternative?
What if Whitebeard peaked after Roger's death? There could be tons of reasons why he wouldn't go and find the One Piece even if, some time after Roger's death, he eventually became stronger than Roger. So, my point is just this: It is entirely possible that Whitebeard at t1 < Whitebeard at t2, and that Roger at t1 < Whitebeard at t2.
Now the question becomes: Are the current Yonko/admirals stronger than Whitebeard at his prime? I guess to make it easier (I know I just typed a bunch of mumbo jumbo and I do apologize), we could put it like this:
We only know that Roger was stronger than WB at t1, but it is possible that WB peaked after Roger's death, and that WB was stronger than Roger (dead at the time) when he peaked. If current Yonko and Admirals were not as strong as t3 WB, then they were not stronger than WB when he peaked. But there is room for them to be weaker than prime WB and stronger than prime Roger, if prime WB came at t2 after Roger's death. Is any of that plausible? Probably not. Probably Roger was awesome. But that's not a matter of logical consistency, but rather theming and a bunch of implied but not explicit relations that feed into inductive (i.e. probability rather than certainty) arguments.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
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I think Roger-Whitebeard rivalry can be split into certain categories 1) They fought each other (over what? territory? just to decide who is stronger?) but were of equal match 2) They clearly did not just have a hate-hate relationship but more of a friendly rivalry 3) They never allied with each other to attack/defend against anyone as per our current knowledge 4) Compared with each other as peers by the general OP world
Putting these categories w.r.t the characters we have now, I believe they all share some level of bond with the strawhats
Law - 2, 4
Kidd - 4
Blackbeard - 1, 3, 4(if you want to term the worst generation together as a peer level)Blackbeard seems like the obvious rival but perhaps not a healthy rivalry as the roger/WB one where Law could perhaps fit in
Really nice analysis. I would just throw in 5) They fought numerous times at an "equal" level. I think this was stated somewhere between Roger and WB. Of course, there are good reasons we're not given the same fight over and over, from a storytelling perspective (except Luffy vs. Smoker, but who doesn't love Smoker?), so that might be asking too much. And, really, we don't see any pirates that exhibit 5), so I guess I should probably just suck it up and abandon it :P
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Considering that Oda is clearly planning to do something major with them, they will at least survive with a few injuries (though Kaidou will come out better mainly to show off his immortality). This would give credit to both parties.
Or maybe not even fight Kaido at all for whatever reason (Kaido hears about Luffy and leaves).
I think next chapter will go straight into dialogue with Kaido in the next chapter.
The KHA will mention that "Joker" has been defeated. Kaido asks how and when and by who? They might mention Luffy and Laws name.
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We only know that Roger was stronger than WB at t1, but it is possible that WB peaked after Roger's death, and that WB was stronger than Roger (dead at the time) when he peaked. If current Yonko and Admirals were not as strong as t3 WB, then they were not stronger than WB when he peaked. But there is room for them to be weaker than prime WB and stronger than prime Roger, if prime WB came at t2 after Roger's death. Is any of that plausible? Probably not. Probably Roger was awesome. But that's not a matter of logical consistency, but rather theming and a bunch of implied but not explicit relations that feed into inductive (i.e. probability rather than certainty) arguments.
Something is plausible the moment someone brings up something new.
I don't know if Oda would go into Whitebeard peaking after Rogers death because it wouldn't serve much purpose in the story. The way it is now, seems perfect. Oda has not shown a character fight, but it's clear he was #1.
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Not at all. I don't know about Sonic and Mario, but I like the idea of the dragon zoan fruit. It made me imagine something similar to Shenlong. And also it makes sense a dragon scares the people of wano.
I don't think that island in where Sanji and co are is Zou. It would be much of a coincidence. Tho it's possible.
Didn't Sanji and co get sidetracked because they Saw a girl on an island?
Unless it is Zou and they got off.
I mentioned earlier that Kaido seemed to have "medieval" killing methods such as Hanging, Skewering and Guillotine. In fantasy medieval stories, there is a Dragon and he could be that Dragon that awaits a worthy slayer.
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Didn't Sanji and co get sidetracked because they Saw a girl on an island?
Unless it is Zou and they got off.
I mentioned earlier that Kaido seemed to have "medieval" killing methods such as Hanging, Skewering and Guillotine. In fantasy medieval stories, there is a Dragon and he could be that Dragon that awaits a worthy slayer.
Zou does mean zoo and apparently elephant. This island is the home of the human animals I bet. I imagine the vivre card got them there and before the Swirly Hats could meet Laws crew they just got involved with some locals they saw.
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Didn't Sanji and co get sidetracked because they Saw a girl on an island?
Unless it is Zou and they got off.
We don't know how they met. Another possibility is that, after the landing, they found the girl in an island that is not Zou.
I think next chapter will go straight into dialogue with Kaido in the next chapter.
The KHA will mention that "Joker" has been defeated. Kaido asks how and when and by who? They might mention Luffy and Laws name.
But he might know that information already, since he jumped after knowing about DD being defeated. It's rather a dark scenario to Kidd and co; Kaido could be in berserk mode.
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I think you're right about that second point.
Cool then
The first one actually doesn't follow though. Say t1 represents the time when Roger and Whitebeard were rivals. Let's say t2 is some time after Roger's death, and before Marineford. And last, let's say t3 is marineford.
At t1, Roger > Whitebeard. We know cause… well... Roger was the Pirate King! WB and Roger fought "equally," but ultimately Roger came out on top. So, at t1, Roger > Whitebeard.
Figthing wise they were equal. Roger is on top for going all the way to Raftel.
The question is, what about t2? Maybe Whitebeard was at his prime at t1.
If WB was at his prime at t1, then Whitebeard at t1 > Whitebeard at t2.
Since Whitebeard at t3 was near death, we know that he is weaker than his prime - likely his weakest ever. So Whitebeard at t1 > Whitebeard at t2 > Whitebeard at t3.BUT, this is on the assumption that Whitebeard was at his prime while Roger was still alive. Not an unreasonable assumption, but a contentful assumption none the less; if this was a matter strictly of logic, we wouldn't need to rely on an assumption that we couldn't prove. So, what's the alternative?
Well the thing is T2 doesn't matter. Whitebeard in T3(or just before) was still considered the strongest. So if T1 > T2.5(old Whitebeard) then Roger still is the top.
What if Whitebeard peaked after Roger's death? There could be tons of reasons why he wouldn't go and find the One Piece even if, some time after Roger's death, he eventually became stronger than Roger. So, my point is just this: It is entirely possible that Whitebeard at t1 < Whitebeard at t2, and that Roger at t1 < Whitebeard at t2.
He didn't cared about raftel. Roger offered, he refused.
Now the question becomes: Are the current Yonko/admirals stronger than Whitebeard at his prime? I guess to make it easier (I know I just typed a bunch of mumbo jumbo and I do apologize), we could put it like this:
We only know that Roger was stronger than WB at t1, but it is possible that WB peaked after Roger's death, and that WB was stronger than Roger (dead at the time) when he peaked. If current Yonko and Admirals were not as strong as t3 WB, then they were not stronger than WB when he peaked. But there is room for them to be weaker than prime WB and stronger than prime Roger, if prime WB came at t2 after Roger's death.
Is any of that plausible? Probably not. Probably Roger was awesome. But that's not a matter of logical consistency, but rather theming and a bunch of implied but not explicit relations that feed into inductive (i.e. probability rather than certainty) arguments.
Roger's death is mark as the time Whithebeard became the strongest(Shiki & Akainu comment).
Whithebeard matching the king is still a valid argument to show why he is the strongest.
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It is probably Zou, as the water volcano simulates an elephant's trunk.
Sure, the island could have gotten it's name like that.
Or it's simply unrelated.
I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Oda is giving these clues just to make us wonder if it's Zou or not.
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Be Zou or not, the plot about Kaido involves Luffy wherever he is (with Law in Zou or …), for having defeated DD, and Sanji wherever he is, since Kaido's minions are there. It's like we have now complex plots involving more than one island (Punk Hazard. Dresrossa).
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We don't know how they met. Another possibility is that, after the landing, they found the girl in an island that is not Zou.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I liked how someone commented on Zou/Zoo and it contains Animals. It's a nice touch.
But he might know that information already, since he jumped after knowing about DD being defeated. It's rather a dark scenario to Kidd and co; Kaido could be in berserk mode.
I don't know if he's jumped because DD is defeated. For all we know Kaido keeps knocking on Jokers front door and he was awaiting one more supply.
I remember Ceaser mentioning that Kaido had just bought a mass quantity of fruits from Doflamingo. Game and Guy mentioned that Kaido isn't after Joker, but pretty much after the fruits from joker and he is signalling the green lights for the war of the century.
No wonder DD's scared, imagine having this beast knocking on your front door here and there?
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I know that this is off-topic but in case anyone is interested powermanga released chapter 790 - 792 :http://powermanga.org/one-piece-775-790-792-english/
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At first I also thought that Kaidou only has to drown himself.
Assuming he has a DF. So what if his DF is the only exception to drowning?That'd make him more OP than he already is.
Btw; Kaidou ftw! Probably my fav. Yonkou
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the dragon zoan for kaidou is not that bad. The thing is that also crocodile has crocodile theme and is not related to a crocodile Df. Same for Doflamingo
Still, the scales of actual dragon would explain why weapons can't pierce him and he can ressist damage, the fall he just had, how he was able to fly ot that island.
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EDIT: Dumb post, please delete
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Nothing about the moniker "hundred beast" says to me that he is a dragon, I'm still going to bet it's the Mythical creature Typhon who actually has the ability to sprout innumerable beasts from his body (I think in Kaido's case his awesome hair looks like it might go medusa mode on us, but instead of snakes different animal heads). Typhon had scales too, just saying.
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@MJR.:
At first I also thought that Kaidou only has to drown himself.
Assuming he has a DF. So what if his DF is the only exception to drowning?That'd make him more OP than he already is.
Btw; Kaidou ftw! Probably my fav. YonkouI suspect when Oda introduces Shanks in his full glory, and announces his feats, similar to how he did with Kaido, he'll be your favorite Yonkou. Shanks is probably the strongest, but as Mihawk labels him, he's far too "casual" and not evil like the other three so he probably doesn't go around strong-arming countries and Islands against their will to gain territories, probably like Luffy just liberates them from Marines and dangerous Yonkou and earns their respect and gratitude. Making him the least threatening in everyone's eyes.
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Somehow he looks more beastly without the leopard fur.
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For me it will always be Roger>=Whitebeard<=Garp Roger said he and Garp almost killed each other multiple times and Whitbeard matched him, not trying to discredit Pops here, but Garp is a marine; he isn't mentioned in Pirates power ranking. Only Whitebeard once spoken of him when mentioning the strongest men in their era.
He didn't mention Kaido or the 7th Shichibukai or even BigMom so they must be from Shank's Generation, unless he has history with Bigmom and that's why he didn't mention her:ninja:
They're both Big:ninja:
Kaido is their Son:ninja:
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Sorry but this is no excuse. Not when you are fighting against such enemies
Right, because you can totally block out the fact that your leader and surrogate father is about to die.
That's the whole point of Haki. To be aware of your surroundings. So yes if you can't anticipate this attack when you know you should be ready for anything I absolutley put this down to incompetence
It was a surprise attack in the middle of a warzone, populated with ridiculous abilities.
Saying Marco is incompetent because he can't anticipate every single attack thrown at him in that environment is just crazy.
The new admiral not only detected it but stopped it with two fingers
I'm sorry, when did this happen?
and Luffy managed to avoid it
Luffy was caught and broke out of it using the expansion of body mass when activating Gear Fourth.
so we know it's not in fact impossible to detect.
We don't know that at all, we've never seen anyone avoid it.
Merely that it requires skill.
No, it seemingly requires and ability that allows the user to rapidly increase their body mass, snapping the strings.
And if memory serves me right Jozu was actually stupid enough to try and attack Aokiji even thought he should have been well aware that he would be outmatched in the DF department
Stupid enough to attack the guy he was facing in battle?
Yeah, Jozu's such an idiot.
In power yes. In skill quite clearly NO.
You've yet to back this up in any way.
I know it was a deliberate plot device to make them behave like distracted amateurs but facts are facts.
So in the space of a sentence you've admitted the existence of a convenient plot device, and then continued to state black and white "facts" that involve said plot device.
…right.
Both Marco and Jozu got defeated and essentially lost the entire war because of the rookie mistakes they made
Being caught by surprise is not a rookie mistake.
It is simply a mistake.
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@Doffy.:
I know that this is off-topic but in case anyone is interested powermanga released chapter 790 - 792 :http://powermanga.org/one-piece-775-790-792-english/
I get to read Viz version of the latest chapter today :D
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Sorry but this is no excuse. Not when you are fighting against such enemies
The only thing that made them "lose" the war was Ace. When he naively fell for Akainu's shit talk.
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I'm sorry, when did this happen?
I'm pretty sure he is referring to the anime filler scene where Fujitora catches a thread like thingie which is supposedly the parasite being thrown by Doflamingo.
It was in Episode 690, when Doflamingo starts using parasite on Dressrosa.