Can the birdcage even harm a logia user?
Chapter 788: "My Fight"
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Can the birdcage even harm a logia user?
Doubt Dofla can hold all that string surface coated with Haki constantly. While fighting and using Haki.
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Yes they would get owned but Oda is showing him putting people in front of him to stall for time. The problem lies in the fact he's having no named gladiators face him instead. If he had some higher named gladiators faced him it would be somewhat more believable to the plot. Nope, instead it was the lowest tier guys you can find to stall for time. After Viola falls, Oda is going to have some citizens face him to stall for that last 1 minute.
There are stalling for time until luffy recover which getting cut down by the bird cage .
What makes named gladiators better for the job while the cage closing in on them.
When fodder can run and hide the same way .TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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And Chinjao doesn't have CoO.
Yeah he does.
http://www.taadd.com/chapter/OnePiece716/440511-17.html
But that's not really that big of a deal anyways since Oda could've went the route of having Viola send for help to stall time by fighting Doflamingo. Instead she just went by herself while inadvertantly bringing useless Rebecca with her.
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Yes they would get owned but Oda is showing him putting people in front of him to stall for time. The problem lies in the fact he's having no named gladiators face him instead. If he had some higher named gladiators faced him it would be somewhat more believable to the plot. Nope, instead it was the lowest tier guys you can find to stall for time. After Viola falls, Oda is going to have some citizens face him to stall for that last 1 minute.
The highest gladiator, Kyros, defeater of a seat, could barely do anything against him.
And there were some named gladiators in there. Meadows, Logan, Mummy, Damask…
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Yeah he does.
http://www.taadd.com/chapter/OnePiece716/440511-17.html
But that's not really that big of a deal anyways since Oda could've went the route of having Viola send for help to stall time by fighting Doflamingo. Instead she just went by herself while inadvertantly bringing useless Rebecca with her.
Uh, where's the CoO?
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Yeah he does.
http://www.taadd.com/chapter/OnePiece716/440511-17.html
But that's not really that big of a deal anyways since Oda could've went the route of having Viola send for help to stall time by fighting Doflamingo. Instead she just went by herself while inadvertantly bringing useless Rebecca with her.
Wrong page since that is CoC
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
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Am I? How many people know the state he is currently? Does Zoro, Cavendish, Bartolomeo, etc. know?
They don't know? But they can at least try. 'cause the birdcage is about to close on them and it takes their collective effort to stop it for one second.
Doula can turn entire buildings and even the ground into strings, making Barto's barriers useless as he can just summon strings beyond the barrier.
And Chinjao doesn't have CoO.
I could have missed it but was it mentioned somewhere? I guessed that anyone being able to use CoC could at least use a bit of CoO. But that's me guessing according to his reputation and experience.
Competent fighters stalling doffy would make the stalling believable. Now much more weak fighters one-piece-die whereas a few more competent fighters would have stalled him for the same amount of time.
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There are stalling for time until luffy recover which getting cut down by the bird cage .
What makes named gladiators better for the job while the cage closing in on them.
When fodder can run and hide the same way .Then why even show people fight Doflamingo at all, then? But the arguement can be made since that isn't what Oda is doing. He's showing people fight him but he's using some of the weakest characters on the island. He's focusing to much on the whole let's all become nakama to stop the birdcage plot point while other aspects of the plots are sufffering becuase of it.
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I swear, if Doflamingo doesnt get ridden of next chapter, I'll go and defeat him myself :ninja:
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damn, until now i always found mansherry(/shelly?)s healing powers ridiculous and unnecessary, like why invent such a fruit, do we really need senzu beans in op too, but it just now occured to me that like what gladius is to mr 5 (or even somehow law to buggy), she is marcos counterpart. not so unfitting as i thought…
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So is Bartos barrier moving or not? How Robin is pushing would make no sense if the barrier is moving. She just stands right before the barrier. Also her big arms are also just in one spot. So Robin and her big arms are fixed in one spot, means that the barrier isnt moving, but it should be moving.
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Wrong page since that is CoC
CoC users can use all 3. He was doing the whole black haki thing on his drill which is CoA. Him not knowing CoO wouldn't fit of what we know of CoC. CoA and CoC abilites can be learned by different users of the two but with one being specialized in the other. The only thing about CoC is that it's unique where if you don't have (not borned with it), you can't ever use abilities in that skill tree.
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Then why even show people fight Doflamingo at all, then? But the arguement can be made since that isn't what Oda is doing. He's showing people fight him but he's using some of the weakest characters on the island. He's focusing to much on the whole let's all become nakama to stop the birdcage plot point while other aspects of the plots are sufffering becuase of it.
To stop don from finding luffy for 10 mins .
Then don gets piss make the bird cage goes faster which can kill most of them.EDIT and now he using one of the strongest since law is here but he half dead .
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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@King Cannon i even offered the alternative of King riku facing doffy to make him at least fight for his people. He could stall doffy for a few seconds even if he falls. Would make him do something heroic instead of sitting around doing nothing.
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Competent fighters stalling doffy would make the stalling believable. Now much more weak fighters one-piece-die whereas a few more competent fighters would have stalled him for the same amount of time.
Mummy, Meadows and etc. are no more competent than the other less important gladiators pushing the cage. Bartolomeo and Chinjao might be on another level, but Barto himself is required to push the cage thanks to his barrier not being slice-able.
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CoC users can use all 3.
That's not confirmed.
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If that were the case don't you think Zoro would have cut it all already?
Not necessarily. Those strings are pretty thin and strong. Maybe strong enough to cut through steel with their unyielding force. Add the force of Zoro's push (or slash) to that equasion, and suddenly a damaged or destroyed sword becomes a real possibility. In that sense, Hardening swords is used to protect them from being cut, or damaged at least.
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So is Bartos barrier moving or not? How Robin is pushing would make no sense if the barrier is moving. She just stands right before the barrier. Also her big arms are also just in one spot. So Robin and her big arms are fixed in one spot, means that the barrier isnt moving, but it should be moving.
She would just make new big arms behind those.
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So next chapter Law and Luffy warps in the place of Rebecca and Viola and give together the final hit to Doflamingo. It's about time this arc ends…
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That's not confirmed.
You might explain how chinjao was able to rival garp back then with his CoA CoC but without CoO. You explicitely said he doesn't have it. It's easy to deduce he has it. Care to explain why he doesn't?
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That's not confirmed.
It fits of what we know so far of CoC. They can use all 3 abilities. Or do you want Oda to basically list every ability every haki user can use every time he introduces a new character that knows haki.
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Then why even show people fight Doflamingo at all, then? But the arguement can be made since that isn't what Oda is doing. He's showing people fight him but he's using some of the weakest characters on the island. He's focusing to much on the whole let's all become nakama to stop the birdcage plot point while other aspects of the plots are sufffering becuase of it.
You really think stronger characters would've made any difference? Especially against that terribly broken Awakening that can be summoned from pretty much anywhere?
Kyros almost died from a single kick.
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It fits of what we know so far of CoC. They can use all 3 abilities.
That was never stated.
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EDIT and now he using one of the strongest since law is here but he half dead .
Works for me. It's a better alternate then he's doing now throwing every weak guy at him. But then that doesn't explain where Cavendish is. He should step in to help or that whole I'm staying behind to protect you Law panel was a wasted plot point.
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This chapter felt like an anime episode :/
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Works for me. It's a better alternate then he's doing now throwing every weak guy at him. But then that doesn't explain where Cavendish is. He should step in to help or that whole I'm staying behind to protect you Law panel was a wasted plot point.
I really don't see how him staying behind is a wasted plot point .
He stay behind while law recover cause don was close by , luffy went gear 4 and knock don all the way to town.
Law recover some what gone to luffy and we should see cabbage maybe in next chapter .
When he stayed next to law , law could not even move\ use his DF that has change since he recover a little. -
It was never stated that Kizaru can use CoO. Can't we from what we know deduce he can? Or Akainu or Aokiji?
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You might explain how chinjao was able to rival garp back then with his CoA CoC but without CoO. You explicitely said he doesn't have it. It's easy to deduce he has it. Care to explain why he doesn't?
It was never shown. We can't just deduce he has it because it was never stated that somebody having CoC means that they have the other types.
Doula, for example, has CoA and CoC, but he has never shown CoO. We can't just say he has it.
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I'm still at a loss for just WHAT Fujitora could do with his powers though beyond maybe adding to the barricade. It may well be in that case his using haki is more effective in that instance.
Sideways gravity. Used it on Sabo. He can literally push the cage out again, and theres nothing on the outside to be damaged by his gravity.
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http://www.taadd.com/chapter/OnePiece597/440209-16.html
Rayliegh telling Luffy he'll show him how to use all 3 and that CoC can't be trained if you don't have it. With ones favoring one side or the other. Learn all 3 and you can be more versatile.So yes if you have CoC you have the ability to use all 3. It was stated.
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Couldn't he just use the force of his gravity to dig a tunnel under the wires?
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It was never stated that Kizaru can use CoO. Can't we from what we know deduce he can? Or Akainu or Aokiji?
No, we can't deduce at all. That's precisely the point. You're deducing based on a theory, instead of an actual fact.
It was never stated that having a certain kind of Haki means you have the other types. This is a theory, not a fact.
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Rayliegh telling Luffy he'll show him how to use all 3 and that CoC can't be trained if you don't have it. With ones favoring one side or the other. Learn all 3 and you can be more versatile.How does that mean having CoC means you have the other types?
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Really enjoyed this chapter. People pulling together to help others and themselves is one of my favourite things and seeing Violet get up and ready to fight Doffy, righting the wrongs of her past choices was really nice. If she falls Rebecca better buy some time too - because she's got the skills to cause him some trouble. She's been taught to dodge and weave and move and those skills would do well in a battle for buying time. C'mon, Oda, give her a chance at some action instead of being sidelined. Please!
Hatori Icons (credits and thanks to Nia and Nhp <3)
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I could live without Luffy and SH as heroes of the arc for a while. Where they save a nation or at least a shitload of people who happened to be in trouble. The theme is getting overused. Third island since the time skip and 3 days in OP time. Ok, it needed to happen for the future friendship and alliances but the formula doesn't need to be the same every time. I would really enjoy a selfish adventure or something like Davy Back fight. Hanging out with SH to get to know them better. A breather from major events.
Too bad Wano troubles and Yonkou are just around the corner.
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Sideways gravity. Used it on Sabo. He can literally push the cage out again, and theres nothing on the outside to be damaged by his gravity.
That would only move a small part of the cage and it would just go back into place after a while.
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Couldn't he just use the force of his gravity to dig a tunnel under the wires?
Some people think the cage goes underground and strings connect there again. Not one of them.
And he should be able to make a tunnel, given how precise he can be with his ability.
If there's ever a reward for most adamant defender of OP plot, it should go to andy. King Cannon is a close second, though.
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No, we can't deduce at all. That's precisely the point. You're deducing based on a theory, instead of an actual fact.
It was never stated that having a certain kind of Haki means you have the other types. This is a theory, not a fact.
You can! Because you have a brain.
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How does that mean having CoC means you have the other types?
How does it not? He stated if you have CoC you can use the other 2. CoC is the one that can't be trained. So it's in the explaination that you have access to all 3 if you you know CoC. Rayleigh is the dude that explained how haki works when explaining the haki abilities. Oda isn't going to basically break down all haki users everytime by listing everything they can do. Hell, Oda most likely introduced the whole black armament haki as a visual cue so that he doesn't have to go "I'm using CoA haki now" everytime someone attacks.
CoO is harder to do show visually I think since I don't think Oda wants to do repeated thought bubbles of people dodging attacks. It would be a clusterfuck to show that if two CoO users are fighting. It'll be like a sharingan battle.
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I could live without Luffy and SH as heroes of the arc for a while. Where they save a nation or at least a shitload of people who happened to be in trouble. The theme is getting overused. Third island since the time skip and 3 days in OP time. Ok, it needed to happen for the future friendship and alliances but the formula doesn't need to be the same every time. I would really enjoy a selfish adventure or something like Davy Back fight. Hanging out with SH to get to know them better. A breather from major events.
Too bad Wano troubles and Yonkou are just around the corner.
OP was always like that the scale just becoming bigger since more people know them.
We might get a arc like Davy Back Fight again but maybe no time soon.TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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i mean c'mon guys, its clear why Viola and Rebecca are stopping Doffy and someone like zorro and kyros doing other shit… the answer probably... Boobs!
I'm telling you that Cavendish will have now his TIME TO SHINE!! Hes the "type" of guy who saves women!!
I remember the colorspread with all the allies in Coloseum and Cavendish was sitting in the same row that Luffy, Law and Zoro. He's in the same level AND HES FULL POWER.
Cavendish doesnt have any trace of blood or scars and i think Oda will give him a brave role now.
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First 5 pages of this thread are the very definition of "overreaction". Hey, this chapter is far from awesome. Hell, the past 3 chapters have been pretty average, at least content wise (I think the presentation has been pretty good). But worst One Piece chapter ever? Man, I don't know.
I aknowledge little happened, but I was surprisingly satisfied with what I got. Maybe it's because Oda actually adressed some things, things people were actually demanding, (which made me think this chapter would've had a slightly better reception?) and even added some I wasn't expecting at all, but that I liked.
People asked for a limit for Mansherry's ability. Well, there you go, it's a temporal heal. Now, I think this limit only applies to the healing dandelion thingie, because it implies mass healing and all that. I guess focused healing doesn't have this limit, but cannot be applied too many times. Otherwise I guess Law's arm would fall off any minutenow, lol. The maiden using powers by crying thingie is kind of annoying, but this ship sailed a long time a go with Oda. . .
. . .except I'm quite happy with the secondary female characters in here. I liked Rebecca trying to DO SOMETHING. I mean, she was stoped (again) by a family member (again), but at least now she has the WILL to do stuff! She was going to go mano-a-mano with Doffy, that takes massive ovaries. This is a far cry from her pitiful running away from Diamante.
And Viola facing Doffy. She's probably already down, I don't expect anything else from her, she's obviously nothing compared to him, but her line about her punishment was actually pretty damned badass, and it very slightly adresses that small elephant on the room saying "hey, you were actually a part of the Doffy family for a decade, against your will or not, but you were". Hey, and Robin was pushin the barrier too! People were asking about that last week, if I recall correctly? "Is Robin gonna do something?" Oh, and some people complained that Barto's barrier should by all acounts be used to push the birdcage and well, there it is.
Yeah, not much else in here. . .but some of this stuff was at least worth mentioning, me thinks? Now, there's other stuff that's up to tons of debate, like why aren't Zoro, Kyros or others ganging up on a pretty battered Doffy instead of focusing on stopping the birdcage. . .but I guess "Luffy is our captain, trust him, it's his fight, hello this is a shonen manga" thingie. Sabo is fighting Burgess, so it's ok. To me at least. And Fuji. Hmmm. Hey, look, a flying elephant! runs away
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You can! Because you have a brain.
"Law is an Awakened Paramecia. This was never stated, but it makes sense because he's so strong and hax. Herp Derp!"
No, we can't deduce Chinjao has CoO based on the fact he has CoA and CoC.
And even if we can, it's not a fact. So we can't use it as an argument.
How does it not? He stated if you have CoC you can use the other 2.
He didn't. Read again.
Considering that CoA And CoO can be learned regardless of one having CoC, Luffy just learned all of them separately.
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How naive of Mansherry to send all those things randomly to the air. I mean, WTF, they didn't think they would heal Doflamingo and his allies as well? Why is that not happening yet?
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It is likely I will die next to a pile of things I was meaning to read
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- Why can't anybody hide in the ground. There are several superhuman characters walking around, none of these guys can blast a hole in the ground?
They want to save everyone not just some
- What about the underground port? Maybe there is too much rubble laying around, but again, a bunch of fallen rocks shouldn't be a deal breaker for characters like the colloseum fighters?
They want to save everyone not just some
- Law can teleport
He surely can save himself. I doubt he can teleport thousands in his state and he isn't interest in that anyway.
- Dressrosa is surrounded by huge boulders at the edge of the island. Nobody can blast one of these away?
What would that help.
- Kanjuro can create doors that seemingly lead somewhere safe, so what about that?
That's Blueno. Kanjuro simply create stuff not pocket dimension or teleporters.
- Why isn't anybody thinking about hiding inside the factory?
Need a maximum help to help push.
- Are the dwarves even really in danger considering their size?
Not really. They could say screw it, go to green bit and let everyone get slaughtered. Law should be able to do the same with him and a select few. Sabo could phase through it. Barto can protect himself and a select few. Baby five could shape shift to pass…. i'm sure there's plenty I'm not thinking about. I just go with they want to save "everyone", Fuji is to cryptic for his own good and the gladiators read the script that told them they weren't suppose to touch Dofly. And the most important, the reason Dofla know he can commit mass murder without an admiral coming after him is because Oda brainwashed him.
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How naive of Mansherry to send all those things randomly to the air. I mean, WTF, they didn't think they would heal Doflamingo and his allies as well? Why is that not happening yet?
She's staying away from Doula?
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I'm telling you that Cavendish will have now his TIME TO SHINE!! Hes the "type" of guy who saves women!!
I remember the colorspread with all the allies in Coloseum and Cavendish was sitting in the same row that Luffy, Law and Zoro. He's in the same level AND HES FULL POWER.
Cavendish doesnt have any trace of blood or scars and i think Oda will give him a brave role now.
With everyone busy, the bunch of fodder in front of Doula including Viola and Becca, Cabbage is certainly the only one around to hold Doula for a second, if Law teleported Cabbage with him, then he(at least) will save the fan-service suppliers….uuhh I mean, Viola and Becca.
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"Law is an Awakened Paramecia. This was never stated, but it makes sense because he's so strong and hax. Herp Derp!"
No, we can't deduce Chinjao has CoO based on the fact he has CoA and CoC.
And even if we can, it's not a fact. So we can't use it as an argument.
Now i see why you're having trouble with the alternatives i've presented so far.
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"Law is an Awakened Paramecia. This was never stated, but it makes sense because he's so strong and hax. Herp Derp!"
No, we can't deduce Chinjao has CoO based on the fact he has CoA and CoC.
And even if we can, it's not a fact. So we can't use it as an argument.
It wasn't stated that Chinjao was using CoA when his drill went black. Only that he was using CoC. So I guess that Chinjao knows CoA is theory as well.
