pink bro is like the last people on dressrosa who needs saving,since it's in the middle of the undestructible smile factory
That's probably true, but Franky's definitely up to something.
pink bro is like the last people on dressrosa who needs saving,since it's in the middle of the undestructible smile factory
That's probably true, but Franky's definitely up to something.
Some people still think One Piece is just as good if not better, so yeah, it is debatable.
Yay but these people are weirdos.
Dofla will unleash hell his CoC upgraded version that kills people and Luffy will counter it with his CoC that protects people.
@just:
Yay but these people are weirdos.
Oh, so people with different opinions are weirdos.
And you don't call yourself a troll?
If there was anybody who was hoping to see doffys eyes just go look back at the law flashback when he wakes up from his nap with the flevance book on his face it shows his eyes in a panel of their own. You could Photoshop those onto one of the pages
It very well could be debated that Oda is just past his golden years of writing/continuing this story. And by now i mean post time skip of course as a whole. Not how i truly feel but it might relate with your thinking.
i think the main problem is that too much stuff is now present in any given arc…between all the strawhats,the arc guests,and all the things happening at the same time,oda has less time to foucs on single parts of it without making the arc continue for 3 or 4 other months.
the big difference it's also that we weere used to self contained arcs...every arc was condensed on one island,and every objective was contained in that same island..every detour fro an island was basically a new beginning.
now it's not like that,while we were at punkhazard we already knew the next step was dressrosa ...then there was the plan for taking out kaidou....then wano got into the equation,and then the reverie,and sanji and big mom...so many stuff that are more important then the subplots in this arc,but that we still should see because every arc must have its story
that being said..oda has been extremely formulaic with some of his habits...but when he can write outside of that and in a more confined space (aka flashbacks) he still shines
@just:
Yay but these people are weirdos.
Or maybe those people just have different tastes and you just can't get over nostalgia.
i think the main problem is that too much stuff is now present in any given arc…between all the strawhats,the arc guests,and all the things happening at the same time,oda has less time to foucs on single parts of it without making the arc continue for 3 or 4 other months.
the big difference it's also that we weere used to self contained arcs...every arc was condensed on one island,and every objective was contained in that same island..every detour fro an island was basically a new beginning.
now it's not like that,while we were at punkhazard we already knew the next step was dressrosa ...then there was the plan for taking out kaidou....then wano got into the equation,and then the reverie,and sanji and big mom...so many stuff that are more important then the subplots in this arc,but that we still should see because every arc must have its storythat being said..oda has been extremely formulaic with some of his habits...but when he can write outside of that and in a more confined space (aka flashbacks) he still shines
Good point actually.
The arcs takes too damn long, Fishman Island and Punk Hazard could've been way shorter. I miss when One Piece had these awesome, but short arcs in the beginning. Now everything has to take forever.
Oh, so people with different opinions are weirdos.
And you don't call yourself a troll?
Nah, they aren't weirdos. I think they are just people who love One Piece so much, that they don't want to see the current state of the manga, or they just can't see it at all. I myself didn't want to accept it during Fishman Island, then with the time I just couldn't pretend not knowing it anymore. Really, there is nothing wong admitting it.
Also, man, Dressrosa citizens are complete bunch of sheeps. They need motivational speeches for the purpoes of not letting themselves get cut alive.
Is losing all hope really such an alien concept?
@just:
I don't think that's debatable at this point…it's pretty obvious. Could have been discussed during Fishman Island though, and I'm sure there was a thread about that stuff years ago, it got closed.
well,fishmen island has been a disappointment for pretty much anybody..i have yet to find someone who talks about it as one of his favorite arcs…that being said i don't think after that oonepiece has been that bad...even thought it has to be said that last arcs had a brilliant build up,but a not as good second part..mainly because it's usually reduced to the formula "something,something,time limit,something something running around"..that while it probably was in onepiece since the beginning..now has really became stale and has been underlined by how many things happen at once,so that the single parts of the story take much longer,and so it gets even more boring
@just:
Nah, they aren't weirdos. I think they are just people who love One Piece so much, that they don't want to see the current state of the manga, or they just can't see it at all. I myself didn't want to accept it during Fishman Island, then with the time I just couldn't pretend not knowing it anymore. Really, there is nothing wong admitting it.
or you're just nostalgic, Kirk.
You know that there's a bunch of new readers out there who have just started reading One Piece, which kinda disproves that point.
And really, if that is all it took to make me think One Piece currently sucks, I would've done that a long time ago. Amazon Lily, Thriller Bark, Impel Down… even Enies Lobby, which I managed to read in one go, bored me. Skypiea wasn't that great for me at first either, but improved with posterior revelations.
I disliked Fishman Island, but liked Punk Hazard and I'm liking Dressrosa. I'm not exactly a consistent fan.
Some people still think One Piece is just as good if not better, so yeah, it is debatable.
Let's not act like pre-timeskip arcs weren't filled with problems either.
It would certainly be a stretch calling it better than before… as i dont think I've even seen anyone on this board truly believe that though and it probably can only be seen in that regard through youtube comments where it probably does exist. Problems, well of course it had and has problems it was never perfect to begin with but we do see that thrown around alot as if it was. Not sure what i was trying to accomplish with this post since all i did was repeat what you said in agreement.
If we go by logic awekening influence surounding then its possible that burgess has something that was given to him from bb and that will allow him to take doflamingo fruit
I think the problem is that the arc follows a pretty familiar formula: Evil pirate deposes kind ruler and his sexy princess daughter, Straw Hats save the day + the fact that there's no real sense of danger (Zoro owning Pica, Diamante getting wrecked by a side character, Luffy fighting evenly with Dofla thanks to Law gimping him).
This all seems too easy and too formulaic. And now we're going to have to deal with the fact that every character has the potential to use a powered-up form (Gear 4 for Luffy, Awakening, etc) that will make fights too predictable. Just like the old "Akatsuki members don't die until they take off their capes and Arrancars need to use their resurrección before they get taken out."
One Piece needs to be more dynamic, like it used to be. More about the adventure, less about the fights. That's what doomed this arc, too many low-risk fights too early in the same setting for too long, just like the War arc in Bleach.
I think the problem is that the arc follows a pretty familiar formula: Evil pirate deposes kind ruler and his sexy princess daughter, Straw Hats save the day + the fact that there's no real sense of danger (Zoro owning Pica, Diamante getting wrecked by a side character, Luffy fighting evenly with Dofla thanks to Law gimping him).
This all seems too easy and too formulaic. And now we're going to have to deal with the fact that every character has the potential to use a powered-up form (Gear 4 for Luffy, Awakening, etc) that will make fights too predictable. Just like the old "Akatsuki members don't die until they take off their capes and Arrancars need to use their resurrección before they get taken out."
One Piece needs to be more dynamic, like it used to be. More about the adventure, less about the fights. That's what doomed this arc, too many low-risk fights too early in the same setting for too long, just like the War arc in Bleach.
well the formula was present even before the timeskip..so for people who lament that onepiece "is not what it used to be" i hope they are not referring to that.
also,during "special" arcs like impel down of maineford,there were people saying that they missed the whole adventure stuff and the old formula…
Awakened DF powers…..so much goddamned hype! I mean my good god....can a Logia be 'awakened' too?? and folks looked down on para's (paramecia's). One thing I absolutely will never forget about Doffy is his utter mastery of his DF....he is a damned beast. I'm going crazy lol.
As it relates to the chapter one thing i can say, can't somebody focus stomp Burgess or punch his teeth in i hate the bastard.
You know back when i cared to see Burgess and just before i gave up expecting him to just show up for whatever reason, i wanted Oda to throw him in a small panel somewhere without a lot of relevance laying up against a wall defeated and bleeding and not knowing who did it. And with that in my mind we just get him coming back now with out much to say is a little disappointing but that's why i stopped caring because i knew it might turn out like this.
well the formula was present even before the timeskip..so for people who lament that onepiece "is not what it used to be" i hope they are not referring to that.
also,during "special" arcs like impel down of maineford,there were people saying that they missed the whole adventure stuff and the old formula…
It was, but this is about as plain as it's been. It was still fairly novel when Alabasta did it, and Skypiea at least had an interesting setting to make you forget how typical the core plot was. This is the first arc where it's starting to get grating, which I feel has a lot to do with the fact that Doflamingo was such a hyped character beforehand and the arc didn't need any additional hooks or subplots to distract us from the Luffy/Law alliance's goals.
Think about how promising the start of this arc was conceptually: Staw Hats and Law have captured Caesar, Doflamingo and his crew want to get him back, as does Big Mom and her crew. The marines have sent an admiral and CP0 over, Blackbeard has a representative present and the Revolutionaries are operating in the shadows. That's a lot of possibilities for intense, dynamic interactions between tons of interesting characters, which led to great moments like the three-way fight between Dofla, Law and Fujitora and the ensuing chase that had Sanji fight Dofla briefly.
The whole Rebecca/Riku subplot should've never existed. The arena was unnecessary and boring.
So the awakened mode is not only for zoan's, I hope every fruit user has different awakened models cuz Luffy turning other stuff into rubber makes no sense, at least to me. What would Brook's awakened mode be?? Reviving the dead?? What about Robin??
Burgess has through Fuji disease. He watches and can't decide to step in or not.
And with that in my mind we just get him coming back now with out much to say is a little disappointing but that's why i stopped caring because i knew it might turn out like this.
Thats really too bad…well at least there are other manga. I thought Burgess' placement and pacing was good enough as a story element. Its suspenseful as hell when you think about it and I'm glad as I can't stand Burgess' face lol...
Is losing all hope really such an alien concept?
Why now? Answer me this, and I will concede.
I think Doffy will get wrecked by his own birdcage, seeing as though he's the only bird (flamingo) in Dressrosa, would be rather ironic if Luffy sends him crashing against it with another Red Hawk. Burndy World style.
Also, people complaining about One Piece arcs yet they'll continue to read it til the end? If that's not the case then do us all a favor, stop reading and find something else. I for one think post timeskip arcs are much better than pre-timeskip ones, bar a few. There's also much more to look forward to in the new world and your spoiled asses are getting another 10 years worth of masterful storytelling.
Yeah, it was a hope speech that needed to use stuff we already knew. What about it?
"One Piece… It Exists!!!"
If the two are identical to you, then we honestly have nothing to talk about, because our individual experiences with this manga are so vastly different.
Why now? Answer me this, and I will concede.
Fear, exhaustion, shock, paranoia, trauma. Much is going on all at once and has been going on for some time. The things these poor townsfolk have seen and what they have come to fully realize is taking its toll. Only a King worthy of Riku could motivate them at such a time being the first and foremost victim of the tragedy that began 10 years ago.
Also, people complaining about One Piece arcs yet they'll continue to read it til the end? If that's not the case then do us all a favor, stop reading and find something else.
Seriously…I could NOT have said that better myself. Thank you. All this debating Oda's storytelling skills, this arc or that arc sucked, whatever. Personally I love them all and I understand storytelling elements. Its fun and awesome and thats all I need. Oh yeah....GOda is human.....well....here and there lol. Sometimes I worry that there is a bit of over-analyzation going on but hey, everyone's a critic I guess lol.
Ok, I got around to reading the whole chapter and here are my thoughts:
While I do find the ongoing fight between Doflamingo and Luffy super enjoyable with all the new techniques that were shown, it did felt a little short to me. As for the part with Riku making another speech to all the civilians, i didn't really care for it, nor did i care for the scene with Franky and the dwarfs. Also, I wasn't surprised about Burgess being the person that Koala was talking to Sabo about long ago, nor was I surprised about Haki having a limitation since it's pretty obvious with Haki being the "Ki" of the One Piece world and such so that was a given.
However, what really got my attention in this chapter was the info about the devil fruits' awakened states, which i though only applied to the zoan fruit users back in Impel down. The existence of awakened Paramecia and awakened Logia fruits had me very intregted since that definitely does open up a lot of possiblities. Hmm, I wonder what Robin's Hana Hana fruit's awakened abilities would be like…or.....maybe if its possible that she already had awakened her fruit and we didn't even noticed it until now. I mean it does make a lot of sense if you think about it. It would definitely explain a few things about her post-TS abilities, ESPECIALLY how she was able to create those flapping hands to execute her Moth Orchid technique, which most of us assumed that she sprouted them out of the air or sprouted them out of the ground and have them "release/detach" themselves off the ground when in actuality, even though it's still somewhat like the latter, she turned the surrounding flowers into hands and have them flap above ground and into the air like butterflies. Like i said, it's only a possibility. As for why Robin didn't bother to tell Luffy about this (assuming if it really was the case), it probably may have something to do with a potential requirement, something that would not sit well with Luffy at all as it might go against his principles. Anyway, this is all theory at the moment.
So yeah, that's all I have to say on the chapter for now. Overall, this chapter was good but not as good as the previous chapter. Still, I am looking forward to the next chapter since a part of me does feel that Doflamingo is not down and out juuuuust yet. :)
It was, but this is about as plain as it's been. It was still fairly novel when Alabasta did it, and Skypiea at least had an interesting setting to make you forget how typical the core plot was. This is the first arc where it's starting to get grating, which I feel has a lot to do with the fact that Doflamingo was such a hyped character beforehand and the arc didn't need any additional hooks or subplots to distract us from the Luffy/Law alliance's goals.
Think about how promising the start of this arc was conceptually: Staw Hats and Law have captured Caesar, Doflamingo and his crew want to get him back, as does Big Mom and her crew. The marines have sent an admiral and CP0 over, Blackbeard has a representative present and the Revolutionaries are operating in the shadows. That's a lot of possibilities for intense, dynamic interactions between tons of interesting characters, which led to great moments like the three-way fight between Dofla, Law and Fujitora and the ensuing chase that had Sanji fight Dofla briefly.
The whole Rebecca/Riku subplot should've never existed. The arena was unnecessary and boring.
I liked the arena :[
one thing you don't consider though,is that if you base the entire arc about these guy,most of them would have been "spent"
i mean that if you put sabo or fuji in the center of the action,you have to explore their character,something that probably oda wants to keep for much later in the story..that's the reason why we barely saw the fight between fuji and sabo..
also,since this arc is a stepping stone in the fight against kaidou,and law and luffy have to build an army for that,some tother story to explain how they gain all these allies should have been placed anyway..that's one of the things i said earlier,we are not getting self contained arcs anymore..so while something might be considered superfluous in terms of entertainment,might be useful because it serves the progression of the story as the author intended
Law: Luffy should be careful! He's using too much Haki!!!!
GGGhrhrrkkkklllllLHHHHH
Doflamingo: I get it! You're bending all over the place like a long-armsman…because you're controlling your rubberness with haki!!!!!
FFFRRRRRHGGGHHHHH
Yeah, not a fan of that. I'm also not quite sure what the point of Doffys "awakening" is; of course, on a meta-level its supposed to introduce the idea of DF-bankais but did Doffy really do anything he could'nt have done otherwise? His ability is to secrete limitless amounts of string, so when he blocks Luffys punch, why does it have to be pillars of reiatsu shrapnel- sorry, strings from the ground, instead of his own strings? Same when he throws a bunch of white reiatsu shrapnel tendrils at Luffy, it seems his Bankai is just MOAR SHRAPNEL.
I liked the concept of DF mastering back when it meant being really creative with the limited stuff you'd been given; If you're capable of becoming/making sand you don't just turn your arm into a big sand-hammer and thats it, you whip your sand into sandstorms, utilize its inherent dryness, or erode through stuff instantly with blades of fast-moving sand. If you're rubber, you use your elastic belly to store water, or snap a regular punch like a rubber band to turn it into a rapid punch, or pump blood more rapidly. Now, DF mastery is just being really strong and unlocking tier 2 of the DF skill tree.
Sigh. Well, with this, we can at least stop arguing that DF abilities should be internally consistent. You can just have an Awakening and poof, heres a whole new set of rules to play by.
I appreciate the danger to the Dressrosans more now, but Rikus speech felt kinda flat- and not just because the dude has been underutilized and a good chunk of it was re-stating the óbvious...but because, while the royals certainly have suffered for a decade, as well as the people who were made toys, its not like this is some culmination to years of horrible tyrrany for the average Dressrosan. Most people were happy this past decade, they friggin LOVED Doflamingo and the wealth and prosperity he brought, and were lapping up his horrible Coliseum violence. The Dressrosan people, especially of the past 10 years, were not simply just "a passionate people", but a prideful, bloodthirsty bunch of sheeple, which I think was a plot point way back when.
So no, Riku, most people had no idea of living 10 years as "puppets" in a "cage"; Most people are just having a really, really sucky day.
One Piece existing was never anything we didn't already know before marineford, i mean it's not like we forgot the first chapter and the countless other times people announced that they wanted it for them selves and we all know Luffy likes telling people again and again throughout his adventures. I thought Whitebeard honestly never gave two fuck about it to begin with, or am i mistaking that with Raftel?
@Daz:
I appreciate the danger to the Dressrosans more now, but Rikus speech felt kinda flat- and not just because the dude has been underutilized and a good chunk of it was re-stating the óbvious…but because, while the royals certainly have suffered for a decade, as well as the people who were made toys, its not like this is some culmination to years of horrible tyrrany for the average Dressrosan. Most people were happy this past decade, they friggin LOVED Doflamingo and the wealth and prosperity he brought, and were lapping up his horrible Coliseum violence. The Dressrosan people, especially of the past 10 years, were not simply just "a passionate people", but a prideful, bloodthirsty bunch of sheeple, which I think was a plot point way back when.
So no, Riku, most people had no idea of living 10 years as "puppets" in a "cage"; Most people are just having a really, really sucky day.
while i didn't like the speech to begin with..the point of it was kinda that…it was like riku saying "ok guys,i know you are in choc and disbelief because until yesterday you would have never ever immagined what happened today,but don't let this make lose confidence and hope,we are working for you,just give us a couple minutes more,now just move your ass and run"
as if we can count dressrosa's habitants as "good people mislead" or just assholes,that's another story
@Daz:
Law: Luffy should be careful! He's using too much Haki!!!!
GGGhrhrrkkkklllllLHHHHH
Doflamingo: I get it! You're bending all over the place like a long-armsman…because you're controlling your rubberness with haki!!!!!
FFFRRRRRHGGGHHHHH
Yeah, not a fan of that.
Could you elaborate lol?
@Daz:
Sigh. Well, with this, we can at least stop arguing that DF abilities should be internally consistent. You can just have an Awakening and poof, heres a whole new set of rules to play by.
Thats not necessarily true, being that we don't really know fully what the entire "awakened DF" element is or how it works. While you may be correct (hence the "necessarily" insertion), we should all leave room for doubt concerning our interpretation and understanding of the nature of awakened DF abilities.
One Piece existing was never anything we didn't already know before marineford, i mean it's not like we forgot the first chapter and the countless other times people announced that they wanted it for them selves and we all know Luffy likes telling people again and again throughout his adventures. I thought Whitebeard honestly never gave two fuck about it to begin with, or am i mistaking that with Raftel?
that's the entire point.
we don't really know if whitebeard was lying on stating the truth,and we don't know if roger ever told him that since he was interested to begin with.
the whole thing was to just give the last middle finger to the marines and to assure that whatever effect the lost of the strongest pirate alive would have had to the confidence of the people willing to take the sea looking for their dreams,it would be overwritten by the confirmation that onepiece was out there waiting for someone to snatch it.
he basically did what roger did,turned the fading flame of his life in a raging fire that ignited the soul and desires of new and already existing wanna-be king of pirates.
Sounds more like Toriko.
I was expecting they mentioning malice and living like a demon being the key to awaken the DF.
that's the entire point.
we don't really know if whitebeard was lying on stating the truth,and we don't know if roger ever told him that since he was interested to begin with.
the whole thing was to just give the last middle finger to the marines and to assure that whatever effect the lost of the strongest pirate alive would have had to the confidence of the people willing to take the sea looking for their dreams,it would be overwritten by the confirmation that onepiece was out there waiting for someone to snatch it.he basically did what roger did,turned the fading flame of his life in a raging fire that ignited the soul and desires of new and already existing wanna-be king of pirates.
As you can tell i hadn't put much thought into it and i never cared all that much about it even since the beginning, but i do like your explanation on the reasoning behind it all.
So the awakened mode is not only for zoan's, I hope every fruit user has different awakened models cuz Luffy turning other stuff into rubber makes no sense, at least to me. What would Brook's awakened mode be?? Reviving the dead?? What about Robin??
I could actually see this with Brook. Perhaps not permanently, but just imagine he reaches Laboon, starts playing music, and his Devil Fruit brings back the spirits of the rest of the Rhumbar Pirates to play their song in full for him.
@Daz:
Law: Luffy should be careful! He's using too much Haki!!!!
GGGhrhrrkkkklllllLHHHHH
Doflamingo: I get it! You're bending all over the place like a long-armsman…because you're controlling your rubberness with haki!!!!!
FFFRRRRRHGGGHHHHH
Yeah, not a fan of that. I'm also not quite sure what the point of Doffys "awakening" is; of course, on a meta-level its supposed to introduce the idea of DF-bankais but did Doffy really do anything he could'nt have done otherwise? His ability is to secrete limitless amounts of string, so when he blocks Luffys punch, why does it have to be pillars of reiatsu shrapnel- sorry, strings from the ground, instead of his own strings? Same when he throws a bunch of white reiatsu shrapnel tendrils at Luffy, it seems his Bankai is just MOAR SHRAPNEL.
I liked the concept of DF mastering back when it meant being really creative with the limited stuff you'd been given; If you're capable of becoming/making sand you don't just turn your arm into a big sand-hammer and thats it, you whip your sand into sandstorms, utilize its inherent dryness, or erode through stuff instantly with blades of fast-moving sand. If you're rubber, you use your elastic belly to store water, or snap a regular punch like a rubber band to turn it into a rapid punch, or pump blood more rapidly. Now, DF mastery is just being really strong and unlocking tier 2 of the DF skill tree.
Sigh. Well, with this, we can at least stop arguing that DF abilities should be internally consistent. You can just have an Awakening and poof, heres a whole new set of rules to play by.
There have been so many ridiculous powers already.. Law and Doffy keeps bringing out techniques worthy of being categorized as different powers entirely, and previously there have been Wapol, Kaku, Kuma and many others. As long as awakening has the same effect on respectively each of the three categories of devil fruits established, it is a nice way of expanding their powers without the need of moving away from what they were originally meant to allow the user.
Why not now ? :wassat:
Twenty minutes in.
TWENTY.
MINUTES.
IN.
Lest you forget, this is after citizens witnessed Bouncy Luffy beating the shit out of Flamingo. And after they witnessed the fall of Pica.
Please, explain to me why we needed to dedicated nearly half of the chapter to them. I want to know.
@Daz:
Yeah, not a fan of that. I'm also not quite sure what the point of Doffys "awakening" is; of course, on a meta-level its supposed to introduce the idea of DF-bankais but did Doffy really do anything he could'nt have done otherwise? His ability is to secrete limitless amounts of string, so when he blocks Luffys punch, why does it have to be pillars of reiatsu shrapnel- sorry, strings from the ground, instead of his own strings? Same when he throws a bunch of white reiatsu shrapnel tendrils at Luffy, it seems his Bankai is just MOAR SHRAPNEL.
I liked the concept of DF mastering back when it meant being really creative with the limited stuff you'd been given; If you're capable of becoming/making sand you don't just turn your arm into a big sand-hammer and thats it, you whip your sand into sandstorms, utilize its inherent dryness, or erode through stuff instantly with blades of fast-moving sand. If you're rubber, you use your elastic belly to store water, or snap a regular punch like a rubber band to turn it into a rapid punch, or pump blood more rapidly. Now, DF mastery is just being really strong and unlocking tier 2 of the DF skill tree.
Sigh. Well, with this, we can at least stop arguing that DF abilities should be internally consistent. You can just have an Awakening and poof, heres a whole new set of rules to play by.
You really can't say don was able to create limitless amounts of strings before he awaken since we don't know.
What awakening allows him to do is form strings from anywhere and attack\defend and not only from his body .
In fact i would say we already saw a awakening attack in chapter 780.
@Daz:
I appreciate the danger to the Dressrosans more now, but Rikus speech felt kinda flat- and not just because the dude has been underutilized and a good chunk of it was re-stating the óbvious…but because, while the royals certainly have suffered for a decade, as well as the people who were made toys, its not like this is some culmination to years of horrible tyrrany for the average Dressrosan. Most people were happy this past decade, they friggin LOVED Doflamingo and the wealth and prosperity he brought, and were lapping up his horrible Coliseum violence. The Dressrosan people, especially of the past 10 years, were not simply just "a passionate people", but a prideful, bloodthirsty bunch of sheeple, which I think was a plot point way back when.
So no, Riku, most people had no idea of living 10 years as "puppets" in a "cage"; Most people are just having a really, really sucky day.
People just got back the memories and now they know the last 10 years they were puppets .
I mean that was whole point of getting rid of sugar so people would know what type of monster don was.
If the two are identical to you, then we honestly have nothing to talk about, because our individual experiences with this manga are so vastly different.
There's nothing wrong about speeches having reused stuff, because that stuff is supposed to be in-universe dialogue, not exposition.
We know One Piece exists as outside readers, but people in-universe were having doubts. That's where Whitebeard's sentence has actual impact.
Could you elaborate lol?
I guess Daz is just voicing the many people that dislike haki and how be all end all it has ended up being. I guess.
I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think this chapter was particularly bad in that regard. If anything, haki is apparently something which shouldn't be abused, and using it in ways that let's you do more stuff with your fruit is cool. Yeah, the basis for G4 seems to be the use of haki, but it's like a means to an end, which is doing more stuff with his rubbery body.
It might be there's also the thing with "stamina" and "can't keep this up for long!" as side effects that Oda has been abusing as of late, and he should probably come up with something else, a bit more creative. Add "it's cutting away at my life force a bit, but I gotta do it!" which loses it's power when constantly repeated.
@Daz:
I appreciate the danger to the Dressrosans more now, but Rikus speech felt kinda flat- and not just because the dude has been underutilized and a good chunk of it was re-stating the óbvious…but because, while the royals certainly have suffered for a decade, as well as the people who were made toys, its not like this is some culmination to years of horrible tyrrany for the average Dressrosan. Most people were happy this past decade, they friggin LOVED Doflamingo and the wealth and prosperity he brought, and were lapping up his horrible Coliseum violence. The Dressrosan people, especially of the past 10 years, were not simply just "a passionate people", but a prideful, bloodthirsty bunch of sheeple, which I think was a plot point way back when.
So no, Riku, most people had no idea of living 10 years as "puppets" in a "cage"; Most people are just having a really, really sucky day.
I didn't think about how the Dressrosa's suddenly enjoyed the bloody gladiator fights after years of non-deadly colosseum fights. That's a point that Oda either didn't want to dwelve into. . . or maybe it is tied with the whole "herd mentality" that appeared two-three times throughout the arc, with Cavendish and during Kyros' flashback. But the truth remains that they were living a farce for 10 years, and once the toys became humans again it probably rained (more like poured) on them how they had forgotten about their loved ones. The toy stuff is supposed to be huge.
After looking at Luffy's & Dofla's powers i feel bad for Sanji. He was defeated by Dofla so easily :blink:
Doubt he will ever be able to fight admirals.
People just got back the memories and now they know the last 10 years they were puppets .
I mean that was whole point of getting rid of sugar so people would know what type of monster don was.
Puppets you say? Really?
I remember them cheering about people killing each other in the colloseum. That was their lack of memories as well?
And the gladiators clearly implied to be political prisoners. Everyone was just a-okay with them publicly maiming one another.
Dressrosans are terrible people, and the fact that some of their knowledge got manipulated does not change that fact.
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There's nothing wrong about speeches having reused stuff, because that stuff is supposed to be in-universe dialogue, not exposition.
We know One Piece exists as outside readers, but people in-universe were having doubts. That's where Whitebeard's sentence has actual impact.
And I'm arguing that interupting your climax to introduce a plot-point, and then immediatly resolve it, while providing nothing new, nor anything of impact is bad.
Twenty minutes in.
TWENTY.
MINUTES.
IN.
You, of all people, argue that it is inconsistent to become pessimistic after 20 minutes.
After looking at Luffy's & Dofla's powers i feel bad for Sanji. He was defeated by Dofla so easily :blink:
Doubt he will ever be able to fight admirals.
Sanji deserves more respect from Oda.
I guess Daz is just voicing the many people that dislike haki and how be all end all it has ended up being. I guess.
I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think this chapter was particularly bad in that regard. If anything, haki is apparently something which shouldn't be abused, and using it in ways that let's you do more stuff with your fruit is cool. Yeah, the basis for G4 seems to be the use of haki, but it's like a means to an end, which is doing more stuff with his rubbery body.
It might be there's also the thing with "stamina" and "can't keep this up for long!" as side effects that Oda has been abusing as of late, and he should probably come up with something else, a bit more creative. Add "it's cutting away at my life force a bit, but I gotta do it!" which loses it's power when constantly repeated.
I think that was a given in most form of fiction using your chi , ki , mp , nen what ever you want to call has limits.
Also, people complaining about One Piece arcs yet they'll continue to read it til the end? If that's not the case then do us all a favor, stop reading and find something else. I for one think post timeskip arcs are much better than pre-timeskip ones, bar a few. There's also much more to look forward to in the new world and your spoiled asses are getting another 10 years worth of masterful storytelling.
Never get tired of "If you don't like it, stop reading" philosophy. It's almost as bad as "How old are you?" card. You should feel bad about saying it.
What, should people who don't like their governments just leave the country or kill themselves? Even if you can't change anything, sharing the pain helps. Most of the people who find faults and complain here are IN PAIN. Instead of asking them to gtfo, you should be more understanding. Or at least, counter their arguments with your own, carefully thought out arguments. Which "you should stop reading if you don't like it" isn't.
did jimbei just take the poneglyph with him….
Yep, that's what it looks like. Will we see him meeting with Robin to show her soon?
Puppets you say? Really?
I remember them cheering about people killing each other in the colloseum. That was their lack of memories as well?
And the gladiators clearly implied to be political prisoners. Everyone was just a-okay with them publicly maiming one another.
Dressrosans are terrible people, and the fact that some of their knowledge got manipulated does not change that fact.
Wasn't that intentionally done by Doula? The whole people are actually bloodthirsty and selfish? But then the speech itself manages to subvert it by having people actually help each other.
That's just how humans are, I suppose.