Chapter 776: The Colosseum Hero
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There's that lack of empathy.
Seriously, Razh and Darth… you guys sure are grumpy. Is that an Eastern Europe thing?
All I can say is, I'm not bothered by much, but when I'm bothered by something, I'm REALLY bothered.
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Kyros going easy on Diamante !? Where ? When ?
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/768/8
Oh look how easy Kyros was going on Diamante as he managed to cut his face(some cm deeper and Diamante would be already KOed back then) when Kyros still had to protect Rebecca.
All that I seen was that Kyros when it comes to fighting skills and strength was overall stronger than Diamante by some visible margin - without using his DF on ground Diamante would most likely fall to Kyros even when Kyros had to protect Becca, thats why he went for it as soon as his face gotten cut. Ending of last weeks chapter should be no suprise if we look back at how fight looked few chapters before. From point of using flag fruit it was like 8 chapters of their fight so I disagree with anybody who says it was short fight or that it ended up being too one sided. What was shown that Kyros with all handicaps was stronger that Diamante all along.
Even Robin words on Diamante being the one as disadvantage hints to Odas intention. Maybe Kyros win looked "easy" but was perfectly logical with what Oda shown and hinted before. -
There's that lack of empathy.
Seriously, Razh and Darth… you guys sure are grumpy. Is that an Eastern Europe thing?
It might be. Though I personaly blame my interest in history and politics.
Any predictions on the next chapter beyond Zoro being Zoro?
… Not really? I mean, I expect his influence to spread over it like a cancer, and make it completly unbearable.
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That's a lot of words for someone you are trying to ignore.
Well take a notice that I really dont often reply to darth.
But when I do I use a lot of words Like with most of my posts I guess.I am also from Eastern Europe btw
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Where the plot told him to. Which means everywhere before this chapter.
He had one big attack that was more powerful than Diamante's own slash.
He didn't go easy on Diamante whatsoever.
Hell in this chapter alone we saw him actively throwing himself out of the way of Diamante's huge slashes, before Diamante decided to take it easy and bring out the spiky confetti of death.
Let's not make up complaints to add on top of all the fairly legitimate ones, Darth.
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Luffy is rubber so his body has properties that let him stretch and Buffalo can twist because of his devil fruit power affecting his body, normal body would fall apart when twisted like Buffalos.
I think that with haki somebody that fights devil fruit user can go "through" any devil fruit ability and damage DF user. Kyros twisting Buffalos neck being somehow proof of that.Luffy's body is rubber.
Buffalo's body parts can rotate.
They're still normal body parts.
How can you not see the difference here?
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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He had one big attack that was more powerful than Diamante's own slash.
He didn't go easy on Diamante whatsoever.
Hell in this chapter alone we saw him actively throwing himself out of the way of Diamante's huge slashes, before Diamante decided to take it easy and bring out the spiky confetti of death.
Let's not make up complaints to add on top of all the fairly legitimate ones, Darth.
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Luffy's body is rubber.
Buffalo's body parts can rotate.
They're still normal body parts.
How can you not see the difference here?
Because skin, tissue etc gets torn and damaged when twisted.
Buffalos Devil Fruit is altering his body when he uses it and point of haki imbued attack is that it can go through body alternation straight to devil fruits user body and damage it.
Like with Kyros twisting Buffalos neck even as Buffalos is rotating man.
So I dont understand difference that you are describing. -
I hope that Pica defeats Lucci in the next chapter, then moved by his silly voice and silly laugh he will re discover what made him so good in the first place (i mean at least he laughed and got mad at Pica two times).
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Because skin, tissue etc gets torn and damaged when twisted.
Buffalos Devil Fruit is altering his body when he uses it.It's behaving in an abnormal manner, it's not transforming.
CoA allows a haki user to strike the real body beneath a transformation.
In Buffalo's case, there's no "real" body to strike, it's what is always present.
Haki would make no difference.
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It's behaving in an abnormal manner, it's not transforming.
CoA allows a haki user to strike the real body beneath a transformation.
In Buffalo's case, there's no "real" body to strike, it's what is always present.
Haki would make no difference.
So how you see Buffalo being damaged by move that twists his body without CoA haki being used?
Also strinking body under transformation might not be full depiction on how haki works. It helps capture body - for example! 
Body of a logia being captured and holded. Twisting hand in unnatural way damages Devil Fruit users body.
So Kyros grabbing Buffalo with haki can go through twisting/ rotating ability of Buffalo and thats how it does make a difference.
In my opinion. I really dont get why you say haki would not make difference.You dont think that Buffalos body doesnt get alternated when he uses his devil fruit? Try twisting something that isnt sectioned, something that is whole piece like human body.
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Hope Pica gives trouble to zoro before he goes down. There must be someone on Dressrosa that can crush the cloud under his feet and kill that "I'm superior and badass mood". Fujitora could be the one but he's on hiatus till the end of dressrosa.
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But you guys never said anything about Kyros going easy before his actual victory. Unlike Zoro with Pica, Kyros going easy has never been a debate. Unless I've missed it.
Looks like you would have said the same about Diamante if he had cut Kyros' sword. -
But you guys never said anything about Kyros going easy before his actual victory. Unlike Zoro with Pica, Kyros going easy has never been a debate. Why now ? Unless I've missed it.
Why do you mean by you guys?
One guy is most stubborn over it and I tried to show that Kyros winning like he did was perfectly logical if we look back as he seemed to be even or perhaps slightly stronger than Diamante(but getting tired as he didnt started their fight "fresh") at time when he had to protect Rebecca and Diamante had to use his ability on ground not to avoid risk of getting other attacks landing on him like cut to face he got.
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So how you see Buffalo being damaged by move that twists his body without CoA haki being used?
Also strinking body under transformation might not be full depiction on how haki works. It helps capture body - for example! [http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One Piece/670 - Blizzard with a Chance of Slime/03.jpg](http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One Piece/670 - Blizzard with a Chance of Slime/03.jpg)
Body of a logia being captured and holded. Twisting hand in unnatural way damages Devil Fruit users body.
That's because he's grabbing the real body underneath and twisting it.
So Kyros grabbing Buffalo with haki can go through twisting/ rotating ability of Buffalo and thats how it does make a difference.
In my opinion. I really dont get why you say haki would not make difference.Because regardless of using Haki or not, Kyros is always going to be grabbing Buffalo's real body, which doesn't transform, it's always there.
His real body rotates, it's a particular ability that his body can employ through his DF.
Haki doesn't negate DF powers from being used.
You dont think that Buffalos body doesnt get alternated when he uses his devil fruit? Try twisting something that isnt sectioned, something that is whole piece like human body.
His body doesn't change at all, it just rotates.
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Do you feel targeted ?:ninja:
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Of course not, there is no doubt that you still have faith in Dia-sama's skills.
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_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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He had one big attack that was more powerful than Diamante's own slash.
He didn't go easy on Diamante whatsoever.
Hell in this chapter alone we saw him actively throwing himself out of the way of Diamante's huge slashes, before Diamante decided to take it easy and bring out the spiky confetti of death.
Let's not make up complaints to add on top of all the fairly legitimate ones, Darth.
I consider this complaint to be legitimate, but I'm slightly ill, and I don't really have the strength to elaborate on it as I would usually.
Man, fever always drains me.
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His body doesn't change at all, it just rotates.
This looks ignorant but if its what you take as "your opinion" than its a wall for me, I mean its looks like your choice that suits your point better..
For me Its not possible for unsectioned body to simply rotate without any phsical changes or alternations. -
This looks ignorant but if its what you take as "your opinion" than its a wall for me, I mean its looks like your choice that suits your point better..
Well, look at this pot calling the kettle black…
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Wow, this really is a first.
However, the fact that you had the energy to reply at all, but haven't posted ANY kind of counter argument makes me think that you got nothin', buddy.
Writing two sentences and writing a cohesive argument is different.
Also, regarding your point: I don't Kyros was holding back, rather I would argue he was held back by the plot.
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This looks ignorant but if its what you take as "your opinion" than its a wall for me, I mean its looks like your choice that suits your point better..
Isn't it the same the other way round?
Although I'm basing what I'm saying on Rayleigh's explanation of how haki works, and how we've come to understand DF's to work.
For me Its not possible for unsectioned body to simply rotate without any phsical changes or alternations.
Pretty much every paramecia we've seen that doesn't involve an explicit transformation allows the user to do impossible things without any sign of physical change or alteration.
Moria can control shadows, no physical change.
Magellan and Galdino can produce substances in vast quantities, no physical change.
Miss Valentine can alter her weight, no physical change.
Blueno can transform things into doors, no physical change.
Do you want me to go on?
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Writing two sentences and writing a cohesive argument is different.
I know, I was just messin'.
Also, regarding your point: I don't think Kyros was holding back, rather I would argue he was held back by the plot.
…but you said it didn't make any sense for Kyros to not have finished Diamante off earlier because of this supposed huge gap in power between them.
So either Kyros was holding back (which he wasn't) or they fought equally until Kyros hit his powered up shonen super slash.
I don't understand what the complaint is.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Isn't it the same the other way round?
Although I'm basing what I'm saying on Rayleigh's explanation of how haki works, and how we've come to understand DF's to work.
Pretty much every paramecia we've seen that doesn't involve an explicit transformation allows the user to do impossible things without any sign of physical change or alteration.
Moria can control shadows, no physical change.
Magellan and Galdino can produce substances in vast quantities, no physical change.
Miss Valentine can alter her weight, no physical change.
Blueno can transform things into doors, no physical change.
Do you want me to go on?
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I know, I was just messin'.
...but you said it didn't make any sense for Kyros to not have finished Diamante off earlier because of this supposed huge gap in power between them.
So either Kyros was holding back (which he wasn't) or they fought equally until Kyros hit his powered up shonen super slash.
I don't understand what the complaint is.
Yea feel free to go on
I already see that you didnt noticed one inconsistent thing in most examples you gave compared to Buffalo.
But sure go on, It will be more enjoyable to discuss on more material
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…but you said it didn't make any sense for Kyros to not have finished Diamante off earlier because of this supposed huge gap in power between them.
So either Kyros was holding back (which he wasn't) or they fought equally until Kyros hit his powered up shonen super slash.
I don't understand what the complaint is.
I honestly have trouble putting it into words right now.
Tell you what, I will catch some sixteen hours of sleep, and the I will come to that, when my mind is less clouded. Alright?
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I'm rather suspicious of the lack of "Kyros Vs. Diamante, Winner : Kyros" panel on the final page.
Don't worry next chapter Diamante will make one last attempt on Rebecca's life, she will dodge causing Diamante to fall off the plateau and to his "death" (who will later be revealed to be alive in a cover story after the next next arc).
Winner: Rebecca.
/notgonnahappen
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If only it happened…
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since we are on topic, this has always bothered me.
Since haki doesn't negate a devil fruit, punching the likes of magellan aokiji and akainu would still bring damage to you, no?
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@LordEnel:
since we are on topic, this has always bothered me.
Since haki doesn't negate a devil fruit, punching the likes of magellan aokiji and akainu would still bring damage to you, no?
Haki should still act like an invisible armor, so no, I guess.
Shinokuni just fell off Luffy's fingers.
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@LordEnel:
Since haki doesn't negate a devil fruit, punching the likes of magellan aokiji and akainu would still bring damage to you, no?
I suppose it depends on your mastery of CoA.
Luffy highlighted how he isn't proficient enough with it yet to repel piercing attacks.
This suggests that powerful CoA could repel any number of things, whether it be poison, freezing, burning etc.
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I agree with Razh. The idea of a man with one leg beating someone is stupid. In fact, I always found the notion of a man made of rubber absolutely ridiculous.
well its possible ethlers danlos…. the rubber man that is, Luffy is just the extreme of that. Chopper will heal him, no worries.
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Btw why is it that this forum doesnt have a predictions for next chapter thread. I could see that being extremely fun and debate heavy thread and no dumb predictions thread is totally different universe
人事を尽くして天命を待つ
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Btw why is it that this forum doesnt have a predictions for next chapter thread. I could see that being extremely fun and debate heavy thread and no dumb predictions thread is totally different universe
It's just unnecessary doubling up, I think.
You can discuss what you think will happen in the next chapter in the latest chapter thread, no problem.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Pretty much every paramecia we've seen that doesn't involve an explicit transformation allows the user to do impossible things without any sign of physical change or alteration.
Moria can control shadows, no physical change.
Magellan and Galdino can produce substances in vast quantities, no physical change.
Miss Valentine can alter her weight, no physical change.
Blueno can transform things into doors, no physical change.
Do you want me to go on?
So you put in one bag paramecias that create some element and those that are purely element themselves and those that affect surrounding or other people bodies(Blueno).
Its like you are saying that all paramecias work in same ways - its simplifying stuff for it to fit your argument from my pov.
Some of paramecias affect body of user in various ways.
Example being guy that can make area of his neck rotate and gets his neck twisted with bloody result some time later. Haki is not unresonable explanation at all.
His body parts are alternated when he uses his devil fruit as his head would fall off it was normal body being twisted and roatated around, dont you think so?What would you say for Buggys neck getting twisted after he gets grabbed by Kyros hands imbued with haki?
Also look here how Buffalo is shown to be able to twist his own head full 360 degrees
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And check out axis of Buffalos arm as he rotates it
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You want to tell me that this DF doesnt affect body itself ?
Then we get to see Kyros doing that
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No body alternation my ass.
I feel like this is going to be anticlimatic and make no sense, but I'll bite.
What did I not notice in my examples?
You dont have to be so arrogant..
That way of discussing makes me avoid posting often. Like everything is obvious to you and nothing that you dont agree with at first approach is possible.
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I meant more like Kyros hasn't done "ANYTHING special", not that he hasn't done "anything SPECIAL". We hardly got to see what it is that made him such a beast. You couldn't really tell from the way the fight was drawn. Yeah, cool that he could repel spiked confetti balls with his sword. Also, cool how Diamante could cut huge chunks of ground with this special slash. Maybe if they interacted more with their skills it would have been interesting. Nothing fancy, no flashy attacks, just good old combat. And I know Oda is good at drawing them.
I'll give you a suggestion too. Be sure of what you're saying when you're using that tone and try to avoid offending when you read something you don't like. Makes you look like a butthurt kid.
Uh Kyros was the greatest gladiator in the history of Dressrosa as well as the head of their army. Also he is the mastermind and leader of Operation SOP, which took down Sugar and made all hell break loose.
Next to Luffy and Law he is the most special and in front character of this entire arc.
If you are gonna shoot, shoot. Don't talk
RIP Eli Wallach
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Uh Kyros was the greatest gladiator in the history of Dressrosa as well as the head of their army. Also he is the mastermind and leader of Operation SOP, which took down Sugar and made all hell break loose.
Next to Luffy and Law he is the most special and in front character of this entire arc.
But when it gets recounted and mentioned by other characters like that, it just doesn't have the same impact. The hype is there all right, and he had the initial momentum, but the resolution was lacking.
I'll never understand why Oda felt the need to take his leg. The situation in which he cut it… badly thought out. Your leg is cuffed and your king is about to be killed, but at the same time your wife and child are being chased. What do you do?
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A) - Accept Dofla's offer to at least try to save someone?
B) - Cut your own leg to kill Dofla, after which you're probably dead anyway, and your wife and child have no chance to survive? -
But you guys never said anything about Kyros going easy before his actual victory. Unlike Zoro with Pica, Kyros going easy has never been a debate. Unless I've missed it.
Looks like you would have said the same about Diamante if he had cut Kyros' sword.Agree. How the hell has Kyros been going easy this entire time. Last I checked, he was going all out back when he was Thunder Soldier too but was obviously limited by his toy body.
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But when it gets recounted and mentioned by other characters like that, it just doesn't have the same impact. The hype is there all right, and he had the initial momentum, but the resolution was lacking.
I'll never understand why Oda felt the need to take his leg. The situation in which he cut it… badly thought out. Your leg is cuffed and your king is about to be killed, but at the same time your wife and child are being chased. What do you do?
Do you:
A) - Accept Dofla's offer to at least try to save someone?
B) - Cut your own leg to kill Dofla, after which you're probably dead anyway, and your wife and child have no chance to survive?Razh… did Darth bit you?!
Joking of course but its kind of forced a bit imo- Zoro wanted to cut off his both legs when they fought against Mr3, Shiki also cut off his legs to get free so badasses are like that in One Piece since long ago
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But when it gets recounted and mentioned by other characters like that, it just doesn't have the same impact. The hype is there all right, and he had the initial momentum, but the resolution was lacking.
I'll never understand why Oda felt the need to take his leg. The situation in which he cut it… badly thought out. Your leg is cuffed and your king is about to be killed, but at the same time your wife and child are being chased. What do you do?
Do you:
A) - Accept Dofla's offer to at least try to save someone?
B) - Cut your own leg to kill Dofla, after which you're probably dead anyway, and your wife and child have no chance to survive?1. Kyros told his family where to hide while he went to help Riku. Him cutting on his own leg shows the level of dedication, respect and love he has for Riku as his King, father in law and friend for not throwing him aside due to his past.
2 the second he got turned into a toy everyone forgot him, thus Oda showing why Scarlet was shot in the middle of the street while shopping, because she remembered nothing about Kyros telling her to stay hidden.
And 3, which is a big one: DOFLAMINGO IS A PIRATE WHO JUST DESTROYED HIS KINGDOM. Kyros has absolutely no reason to trust him one bit.I really hate saying this to people but it looks like it would help you to understand this arc by reading it again because everything you stated was answered in Kyros' flashback.
Also, the fact that all of the Straw Hats resoundingly went along with his plan for Operation SOP shows how much they trusted him and the Dwarves with that plan.
And this was all before they found out he was the Hero of Dressrosa.
If you are gonna shoot, shoot. Don't talk
RIP Eli Wallach
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Full spades theory still stands well, Vergo and Kyros went down with one slash and Pica is next, still don't like that Oda is gonna use Law again instead of the other swordman we have here, but well it can't be helped I guess, I'll keep a little bit of hope in Cabbage still :/
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1. Kyros told his family where to hide while he went to help Riku. Him cutting on his own leg shows the level of dedication, respect and love he has for Riku as his King, father in law and friend for not throwing him aside due to his past.
2 the second he got turned into a toy everyone forgot him, thus Oda showing why Scarlet was shot in the middle of the street while shopping, because she remembered nothing about Kyros telling her to stay hidden.
And 3, which is a big one: DOFLAMINGO IS A PIRATE WHO JUST DESTROYED HIS KINGDOM. Kyros has absolutely no reason to trust him one bit.I really hate saying this to people but it looks like it would help you to understand this arc by reading it again because everything you stated was answered in Kyros' flashback.
Also, the fact that all of the Straw Hats resoundingly went along with his plan for Operation SOP shows how much they trusted him and the Dwarves with that plan
If you hate it so much, you shouldn't do it. It's kinda rude to assume that I plain forgot parts of the plot. How do you know I didn't reread it yesterday?
I'm just not satisfied with Kyros' decision making (Oda's writing).
Kyros cutting his own leg is hasty without a moment's thought. You're seriously telling me Dofla's goons would NEVER find those 2 and that Kyros was so sure of that in that moment?
Sure, Kyros has no reason to trust Dofla, but shouldn't he grasp at every last straw in such a hopeless situation? Certainly seems like a better idea than just cutting your own leg to try a desperate last attack. While Sugar did curse him, she's probably the only reason he's still alive.
But I've been over this months ago.
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I'll never understand why Oda felt the need to take his leg. The situation in which he cut it… badly thought out. Your leg is cuffed and your king is about to be killed, but at the same time your wife and child are being chased. What do you do?
Do you:
A) - Accept Dofla's offer to at least try to save someone?
B) - Cut your own leg to kill Dofla, after which you're probably dead anyway, and your wife and child have no chance to survive?Dofla dindn't propose a deal and was about to cut Riku's head. His women should have been safe while dealt with the problem. He probably thought he could win.
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Wait, no Doflamingo crewmate has been shown using any sort of haki right? except Vergo.
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But when it gets recounted and mentioned by other characters like that, it just doesn't have the same impact. The hype is there all right, and he had the initial momentum, but the resolution was lacking.
I'll never understand why Oda felt the need to take his leg. The situation in which he cut it… badly thought out. Your leg is cuffed and your king is about to be killed, but at the same time your wife and child are being chased. What do you do?
Do you:
A) - Accept Dofla's offer to at least try to save someone?
B) - Cut your own leg to kill Dofla, after which you're probably dead anyway, and your wife and child have no chance to survive?Didn't Oda portrayed him to go to extremes when something he admires is in danger? I'm not against your points or anything since this arc is a clusterfuck anyway!
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If you hate it so much, you shouldn't do it. It's kinda rude to assume that I plain forgot parts of the plot. How do you know I didn't reread it yesterday?
I'm just not satisfied with Kyros' decision making (Oda's writing).
Kyros cutting his own leg is hasty without a moment's thought. You're seriously telling me Dofla's goons would NEVER find those 2 and that Kyros was so sure of that in that moment?
Sure, Kyros has no reason to trust Dofla, but shouldn't he grasp at every last straw in such a hopeless situation? Certainly seems like a better idea than just cutting your own leg to try a desperate last attack.
But I've been over this months ago.
If there is one thing we know about Kyros is that he is extremely loyal to his friends. He killed the two men who killed his friend when he was a teenager and tortured himself over not being there to help him along with killing those men.
The second time this happened was with King Riku. He was there with him and the only thing preventing him from saving him was a chain made out of Sea Prism, which he couldn't break through. So he only had one option to save his best friend before he was killed and that was to cut off his leg, which he did without hesitation.
You say there should be no reason why Oda had Kyros cut off his leg, but I just gave you the perfect one. One that was actually explained in the flashback.
If you are gonna shoot, shoot. Don't talk
RIP Eli Wallach
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Dofla dindn't propose a deal and was about to cut Riku's head. His women should have been safe while dealt with the problem. He probably thought he could win.
Win against a full crew?
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Win against a full crew?
Duty over common sense I guess. Besides, he already defeated a full crew to save Scarlet.
