I find it stupid that "Turn off Stage Hazards" isn't an option. It's either Omega versions of stages, Flat and semi-boring, or WACKY CRAZY OMFG HAZARDS EVERYWHERE!!
It's kinda meh :/
I find it stupid that "Turn off Stage Hazards" isn't an option. It's either Omega versions of stages, Flat and semi-boring, or WACKY CRAZY OMFG HAZARDS EVERYWHERE!!
It's kinda meh :/
Tooooooournament moooooooode…...
Maybe Sakurai was a really big Skullgirls fan and after Melee kind of knocked Skullgirls out of EVO he vowed vengeance upon the competitive smash scene.
@Someone:
Your analysis is fractally wrong and you're fractally ugly
;_;
I find it stupid that "Turn off Stage Hazards" isn't an option. It's either Omega versions of stages, Flat and semi-boring, or WACKY CRAZY OMFG HAZARDS EVERYWHERE!!
It's kinda meh :/
But that would make the game exactly like playstation all stars!
-Sakurai
I find it stupid that "Turn off Stage Hazards" isn't an option. It's either Omega versions of stages, Flat and semi-boring, or WACKY CRAZY OMFG HAZARDS EVERYWHERE!!
It's kinda meh :/
I miss the stages in Smash 64. They had hazards to keep things interesting but they didn't detract from the fighting too much.
Maybe Sakurai was a really big Skullgirls fan and after Melee kind of knocked Skullgirls out of EVO he vowed vengeance upon the competitive smash scene.
;_;
Stages are the least of Smash4's competitive problems lol
I don't think it's too bad right now, there are what, 5 good stages people can use? That's enough
Stages are the least of Smash4's competitive problems lol
I don't think it's too bad right now, there are what, 5 good stages people can use? That's enough
Good ones or legal ones?
Good ones yeah five or so, but I think like the legal list is like 10-12 stages total.
So, more datamining is being done on the files for Sm4sh U, and it turns out that there may have originally been four custom moves per character.
The data for a fourth set exists for everyone. All of them seem to have physics tweaks in place for every move, but none have any actual effects except Mario.
One of them tho, for example, is Mario's 4th Neutral B was going to be an ice ball.
So… someone apparently triggered the fire alarm at APEX 2015 before the tournament started.
Sakurai's stage hazards apply even to real life now.
Edit: There's apparently more to the story too. The hotel lied to APEX staff about the safety of their venue… and details about just how unsafe it is are coming out now that the fire marshals are there. This includes the collapsed roof of one of the ballrooms due to the storm that's currently happening up there.
Some pictures of this hotel:
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Really glad that it was evacuated before anybody actually got hurt by this crap at the event.
Miraculously, they seem to have found a new venue with the help of twitch, so the show will go on
Miraculously, they seem to have found a new venue with the help of twitch, so the show will go on
That's good to hear.
Hopefully something like this never happens again.
Conventions not pay attention to safety codes or crowd limits until the fire marshals show up? Naw, I'm sure that will never happen again ever.
Except at most cons.
Conventions not pay attention to safety codes or crowd limits until the fire marshals show up? Naw, I'm sure that will never happen again ever.
Except at most cons.
It was a hotel (It was a Clarion, which is a chain as well). And the hotel manager has actually been arrested
And most cons are AT hotels, rather than convention centers.
Must have been salty folks upset PM wasn't included
Conventions not pay attention to safety codes or crowd limits until the fire marshals show up? Naw, I'm sure that will never happen again ever.
Except at most cons.
I'd hope that after numerous incidents, that there would be at least "some" change.
Does anyone have any info on where I can find times/streams of APEX?
Does anyone have any info on where I can find times/streams of APEX?
[Here](http://smashboards.com/data/sponsor/Apex 2015 Stream Schedule.pdf) .
SO, who else is watching APEX? There's been some really awesome stuff on the Smash 4 stream.
In a recent interview, it was revealed by Sakurai that he considered having all the characters be unlocked at the initial start of the game (for the Wii U version).
http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-considered-having-all-fighters-unlocked-in-smash-bros-wii-u/
If the person with the tagname "Ben" is here. Sorry about turning you away. Was 1v1ing a Skype friend.
Super Tomatoe Bros. for TomatoeDS
For those competitive-savvy, /r/smashbros has released an unofficial tier list.
my only question is how does one mii type have more potential over the other 2?
In what categories are they beeing ranked? I mean I have no idea what Tier lists are supposed to say.
Edit: Ah, I did my research http://supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_list I guess I will never be a friend of that.
In what categories are they beeing ranked? I mean I have no idea what Tier lists are supposed to say.
Ah. I myself don't really follow tiers, but I must stress: it isn't an indicator of what character is automatically superior, meaning you can have a skilled Lucina take down a Diddy if the player has the chops. You should always use the character you feel like using or the one you're really good at.
It more reflects competitive viability/potential and tournament results. Those who use characters in the S tier have more tournament victories than using someone from oh say, the C tier. Such results reflect how players can pull off better combos, air game, recovery options, movement, and so on.
In what categories are they beeing ranked? I mean I have no idea what Tier lists are supposed to say.
Tier lists are a measure of rank based on the highest level of performance that can be given from each character. They are determined by pitting each character against each other in 1 on 1 matches and figuring out, on average, who wins more victories. A character like Diddy is S rank because, at the highest level of play, he can beat most character 1 on 1 easily, while the Mii Gunner/Swordsman lose more often than anyone else.
It's a measure of competitive potential.
Thanks for the replies. I was so curious I looked it up myself immediatly after my posting >.<
For those competitive-savvy, Smashboards has released an official tier list.
http://i.imgur.com/Tl7i7Iy.jpgmy only question is how does one mii type have more potential over the other 2?
Tier list is incorrect; Falcon is not in SSS class above everyone else along with Lucina and Ike.
Tier lists are a measure of rank based on the highest level of performance that can be given from each character. They are determined by pitting each character against each other in 1 on 1 matches and figuring out, on average, who wins more victories. A character like Diddy is S rank because, at the highest level of play, he can beat most character 1 on 1 easily, while the Mii Gunner/Swordsman lose more often than anyone else.
It's a measure of competitive potential.
Video of the process:
Sakurai does not approve.
lol, Link broke free of the Brawl tier curse plaquing the Triforce trio. Too bad he left Zelda and Ganon behind.
In what categories are they beeing ranked? I mean I have no idea what Tier lists are supposed to say.
Edit: Ah, I did my research http://supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_list I guess I will never be a friend of that.
The only tiers that matter are the ones that have your favorite character S ranked. :ninja:
I had no idea Sonic ranked so high. I thought he had a hard time launching.
For those competitive-savvy, Smashboards has released an official tier list.
http://i.imgur.com/Tl7i7Iy.jpgmy only question is how does one mii type have more potential over the other 2?
Wut, I'm pretty sure this just from some survey in /r/smashbros, not an 'official' tier list
Also Mii brawler just has better moves. I think this is assuming that the custom specials used will be 1,1,1,1
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I had no idea Sonic ranked so high. I thought he had a hard time launching.
That was only really in Brawl. He's okay in that regard now, comparatively. He's fast and can run away and play really campy
No surprises about mii swordfighter. That is one hard character to be competitive with. Hah, knew it about Palutena and Wii Fit, particularly since I have to use both so much and practice for so long just to be competitive with them (Particularly since Palutena's default moveset kills so much of her potential mobility and options).
Notice how overall the game tends to favor characters who have a quick output for their moves and not a lot of lag following that. Like, the laggiest character above B is Shulk, and that's a character who makes up for it with the monado arts. Kirby is perhaps the one Low Tier character who surprises me because of that reason, as he can pull quite a lot of comboes on the other characters in that tier before they can land a move. I wonder what led to Kirby being there.
Even with Namco Bandai helping with balancing and supposedly years of work on that, speed is still might. And while I do like using low tier characters as a whole (Mewtwo in Melee, Pokemon Trainer in Brawl), this whole situation disappoints me greatly as it means I'll probably never get the pleasure of seeing a Palutena player in a tournament environment.
Thanks Sakurai Obama
As was previously mentioned, this wasn't prepped by the back room and is by no means an official tier list. This was prepped from votes from the community at /r/smashbros
But overall the groupings are probably not gonna change drastically. Just order.
And yeah, speed is still king because the slower characters just don't have enough options or tools to make up for their lack of speed or priority.
For those competitive-savvy, Smashboards has released an official tier list.
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/Tl7i7Iy.jpg[/qimg]
Ha. All 3 of my Mains are in B+ Tier. Nice XD
sits back and feels awesome about beating y'all with two characters in the bottom-five
sits back and feels awesome about beating y'all with two characters in the bottom-five
I'm no stranger to either Ike, Samus, or Game & Watch either.
The meta is still early, so there's always more room for things to be mixed up (especially with the advent of Mewtwo and potentially a few more balance patches).
I'm not holding my breath for the heavyweights tho lol
In the end, using Ike and Ganondorf is not about winning matches through killing opponents.
It's about taking a moral victory.
Here's a comparison of the tier lists produced by /r/smashbros that was posted here and one generated from win/loss ratios from the Smash online ladder "Anther's ladder"
@Cyan:
In the end, using Ike and Ganondorf is not about winning matches through killing opponents.
It's about taking a moral victory.
Amen brother.
The one from /r/smashbros that Meta posted is much more reliable though. Palutena being at the level of Duck Hunt is butts, and I say that as someone who uses both characters rather often. Using Duck Hunt is like having control, using default Palutena is like having a ball and chain and everything you do has to be careful or you take hits. Not only that, most of her punishing moves aren't even fast enough to punish.
Also, Olimar being at the bottom of that other tier list is also tremendously off. Alphimar in this game is pretty good, and that placing screams of noobs from the early days that said less pikmin meant instant low tier.
Yeah, I mainly posted it to see the trends of things in compared to real unaltered data, considering that votes are in consideration of a character's true potential at the highest level of play rather than when people actually pick it up
There is something wrong with the moral fiber of the universe if Fox is above Duck Hunt Dog.
sits back and feels awesome about beating y'all with two characters in the bottom-five
WFT will always be my main, low tier or not. XD
Edit: fedcom and Purple, good point on the "official" status. Should've clarified.
WFT trainer is just such a disappointing character. I imagined her having like all these cool and strange yoga hitboxes but they all suck in range and priority.
Mario and Falcon will always be my first loves, but there's a special place in my heart for playing as the Blue Bomber.
Yoshi, villager and Dedede will be my mains for all eternity. Their is just so much satisfaction from flutterkicks, being a master gardner and just being Dedede