Law still fighting is just amazing to me same as Bellamy fighting being at death doorstep. Now I am sure that Bellamy will join Law as they are both able to fight enemies like they are atm
I don't think that Law even know who is Bellamy.
Buffalo have higher chance of joining Law than Bellamy.
I guess Law is still fighting somehow.
Burgess still missing…
And Fuji sits on his ass, doing nothing.
I actually wonder what he will do. Will he arrest Doffy? Why, if he decided to not fight him.
Will he go after Luffy and Law? Or let them go?
Will we have an actual fight in the next few chapters or will the string of one-hit KO's continue?
Why are tertiary characters defeating one of the most hyped antagonist group in the history of manga?
So many questions, so little time.
And Fuji sits on his ass, doing nothing.
I actually wonder what he will do. Will he arrest Doffy? Why, if he decided to not fight him.
Will he go after Luffy and Law? Or let them go?
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Unfortunately I don't see him going after Luffy. Or rather, I don't see him going seriously after Luffy.
And Fuji sits on his ass, doing nothing.
I actually wonder what he will do. Will he arrest Doffy? Why, if he decided to not fight him.
His whole thing is that he wants the world government to look bad with having another shichibukai taken down, so wouldn't Doflamingo escaping just complete the fuck up? After all, a whole country being plunged into war because of the actions of one government sanctioned madman would make the thing even look worse, which is what he wants apparently. I could see Buffalo or someone eventually carrying him away
but yeah, Fuji should be doing something. That neat gravity power should be able to pin down at least a hundred rampaging puppets. I mean you can judge his confused logic as much as you want, but it really is incredibly lame for someone of that position to just wait it out.
I know it's not good enough for you, but just a couple of panels showing him doing that, right now, would be appreciated. After all, Oda invested some thought into making the man sound humane, with his whole 'the people always come first' ideology
Came in to see how is mood on forum about chapter.. I check all pages of discussion.. Darth is again one of very few with list of things that he disliked.
Also again with little thoughts put to rethinging circumstances etc questions like:
"Why are tertiary characters defeating one of the most hyped antagonist group in the history of manga?"
Sorry Darth but as you list up dislike for some elements of every new chapter my dislike for your "awesome chapter blindness" also stayed on its place.
Time to get back to X- Com Enemy Within I guess.
Out on Mangastream!
It's understandable that Kyros wants to protect Rebecca, but at the same time I want a satisfying conclusion to Rebecca's arc. She wanted to get stronger and protect Kyros just as much. Interested in how it will play out. I hope well.
It's interesting that Zoro has heard about the Happou Navy before. Gladius' attacks look crazy cool in that doublespread, what we've seen of his powers has been really cool in general.
Cavendish's and Bartolomeo's banter is really fun, Bartolomeo in general. He's so fun. Dellinger's insanity and bizzareness has been fun, too, really nice to see him use his fishman powers, I feel like his loss also feels a little stronger than the previous ones because Hakuba's strength was kind of a big deal. The final blow with Hakuba looks nicely creepy.
A pretty good chapter.
Most of the Gladiators are NOT pirates, so it's useful to Fujitora's cause that they take down Dofla's pirates, otherwise we would have another Alabasta where the Strawhats are the heroes.
Fuji must take down Dofla and not hype the pirates, so it's good that the Gladiators take down Dofla's subordinates.
Gladius will be OHKOed anyway, lose all hopes.
Proud Kintama Owner 
His whole thing is that he wants the world government to look bad with having another shichibukai taken down, so wouldn't Doflamingo escaping just complete the fuck up? After all, a whole country being plunged into war because of the actions of one government sanctioned madman would make the thing even look worse, which is what he wants apparently. I could see Buffalo or someone eventually carrying him away
Okay, sorry for Fujitora deviation, but I will never get that. The part about Doflamingo plunging country into war is legit. It can be used to further his agenda.
Doing nothing against Doffy is just plain stupid. He is going to try and convince people to abolish Shichibukai who, at least officialy, are not acting against people of the world. He would have WG take away their privaleges and hunt them down.
Now, if I was goverment agent bend on balance of force and not plunging the world into oblivion, I would say then: "But wait a minute. You were present at the scene. With three thousands of our elite soldiers, lead by not one, but two Vice Admirals. This incident was caused by one Shichibukai. Not only were you incapable of taking any actions against him, you also failed to apprehend him afterwards. You. One of the four strongest guys currently on our payroll. And you want us to start a conflict with not one but six such pirates simultenously? Yeah, nope."
but yeah, Fuji should be doing something. That neat gravity power should be able to pin down at least a hundred rampaging puppets. I mean you can judge his confused logic as much as you want, but it really is incredibly lame for someone of that position to just wait it out.
I know it's not good enough for you, but just a couple of panels showing him doing that, right now, would be appreciated. After all, Oda invested some thought into making the man sound humane, with his whole 'the people always come first' ideology
It would be better then what he is doing now, yes.
Interesting thing: He doesn't even needs to hurt them. Just switching gravity off in their general area should be enough to make hurting anyone really difficult.
Put me in the group for "Fuck what your father says Rebecca and do something!"
Dellinger and Bart are really great though. Especially Bart
Also, dat foreshadowing.
The Dofla pirates are OHKOed by the guy who'll probably become the King of Elbaf, and by the Commander of what's going to be a huge fleet.
Expect that Elizabello is going to do something huge, Oda is preparing loads of stuff for the future.
Does the make up hide the scar or they simply forget it ?
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Came in to see how is mood on forum about chapter.. I check all pages of discussion.. Darth is again one of very few with list of things that he disliked.
Also again with little thoughts put to rethinging circumstances etc questions like:"Why are tertiary characters defeating one of the most hyped antagonist group in the history of manga?"
Sorry Darth but as you list up dislike for some elements of every new chapter my dislike for your "awesome chapter blindness" also stayed on its place.
Tell me, cause I'm really curious. Why aren't you going after, for example, Daz who has also expressed his displeasure with the chapter?
Why did I deserved an honor to actually be singled out on every occasion I mention something that I consider to be not good?
And that question was not serious in the slightest.
Pah. For that matter, everything is awesome for you. You've just had a antagonist character with significant build-up, taken out by psychotic blank character with no personality, nor any connection to him whatsoever. You consider it awesome.
Why? What was it that caused such a strong emotional response that you not only consider it awesome, but you actually felt the need to intentionaly bitch about me having an opinion different then yours?
Because I'll be honest, I always tried to get along with people the best I can, but your "Look at this idiot who doesn't understand how awesome One Piece always is" is honestly starting to piss me off.
You do not bring anything into discussion, you are creating inflamatory atmosphere, and seemingly for no other reason as to satisfy some kind of need to prove what? That you also have an opinion and that's not in line with mine? That you can be annoying ass? Or are you simply trolling? Which is it?
This is a rant, yes.
Put me in the group for "Fuck what your father says Rebecca and do something!"
Dellinger and Bart are really great though. Especially Bart
She's vastly weaker than Diamante and she uses a blunt sword. She wouldn't be able to do anything, but get beat up.
She's vastly weaker than Diamante and she uses a blunt sword. She wouldn't be able to do anything, but get beat up.
She could block attacks aimed at her? Strike him from his blind spot? Create a distraction?
If she has no intention to fight and never had, she should have stayed with Usopp and the rest.
Or she should have run to them now, instead of just standing there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but right now the only minor executives left are Gladius and Senor Pink?
Means we'll probably move on to the big fights soon and as I've been saying for so long, they better be proper fights. The biggest issue with the fights post-TS has been exactly that they're so quick and often disjointed because they're spread out to small scenes. This also makes for pretty unsatisfying fights.
I called it!! Ideo's from longarm tribe, yeah!!!
Why are tertiary characters defeating one of the most hyped antagonist group in the history of manga?
I think that may be Oda's way of giving Luffy's future allies some credibility as a fighting force.
Nice avatar BTW. I was going to suggest a change.
She could block attacks aimed at her? Strike him from his blind spot? Create a distraction?
If she has no intention to fight and never had, she should have stayed with Usopp and the rest.
Or she should have run to them now, instead of just standing there.
She should try to disarm Diamante. He probably isn't as much of an offensive threat without his sword.
She's vastly weaker than Diamante and she uses a blunt sword. She wouldn't be able to do anything, but get beat up.
Blunt sword? So what? Doesn't stop characters that use fists or clubs or any amount of conceivable things that don't cut.
Kyros's logic/reasoning is fine. But what of Rebecca's POV? She's just straight up watching her father get his ass handed to him. Rebecca herself realizes her status as a liability. And like Daz mentioned, what kind of an embarrassing character arc would end with those kinds of thoughts? Imagine if Ussop just sorta sat down after tackling Jabra. "Welp I've done all I can here folks! Go get em Sanji!"
Have her use her parrying/blocking/dodging skills to allow her father to focus on attacking. Maybe pull up the resolve to wing her weapon. Even if it didn't win the fight, an attack or two would be great to see. Hell pull a fuckin Ideo. It doesn't matter if you're outclassed. Make and earnest effort and go down swinging. Show them you're no god damned puppet. (Pun completely intended)
Too soon to make judgments though. Waiting until after this is actually resolved.
Tell me, cause I'm really curious. Why aren't you going after, for example, Daz who has also expressed his displeasure with the chapter?
Why did I deserved an honor to actually be singled out on every occasion I mention something that I consider to be not good?
And that question was not serious in the slightest.
Pah. For that matter, everything is awesome for you. You've just had a antagonist character with significant build-up, taken out by psychotic blank character with no personality, nor any connection to him whatsoever. You consider it awesome.
Why? What was it that caused such a strong emotional response that you not only consider it awesome, but you actually felt the need to intentionaly bitch about me having an opinion different then yours?
Because I'll be honest, I always tried to get along with people the best I can, but your "Look at this idiot who doesn't understand how awesome One Piece always is" is honestly starting to piss me off.
You do not bring anything into discussion, you are creating inflamatory atmosphere, and seemingly for no other reason as to satisfy some kind of need to prove what? That you also have an opinion and that's not in line with mine? That you can be annoying ass? Or are you simply trolling? Which is it?
This is a rant, yes.
I am not going after Daz because he is not like that every week for many many months.
As for bringing something into discussion I think that I brought up a lot more to it than you for example last week. Also I dont have as much free time as you do probably, especially for rants over petty faults of chapter that are not even worth my time.. Pah lol
This week I didnt yet had time for more points or post about how much I loved in this chapter for expressions of characters like Diamante - his trollface, evilness and how Oda makes him express it by saying most cruel evil things with face of joker suprised me a bit though in a good way.
Also Oda clearly indicated that there will be even with future with Don Sai and his fleet- makes sense that Oda gave Sai moment of awesomness last chapter as he is now set to play a role in some future event.
I consider chapter awesome as entertainment and I have 0 problem with Dellinger being taken out by Hakuba in way we seen. Cabbage is one of most fleshed out new characters from this arc and his role might be pretty big in future while Dellinger needed somebody who will crush him so we dont get another off paneled long as fight. Simple.
Also avoid writing that somebody is emotional and "bitch" over your opinion in one line and then call me an ass/ annoying etc because it makes you look like the one emotional and bitching that somebody commented on your viewpoint. I am pretty cool - strong emotional response lol - just showing "bleh" kind of reaction to you always having a problem with chapter. We are here to discuss as you say and I can disagree with you I guess. So I do 
Next chapter I would say that Gladius will get his 1 on 1 with Bartolomeo after Hakuba goes "somewhere" - to Trebols place? Or maybe Law will push/ teleport Trebol far enough for him to fall down to other level? Somehow I expect Hakuba and Trebol to fight(damn you Monquito and your brainwashing! ).
Still I am mostly suprised that Law seems to be still fighting and that Bellamys situation continues for so long. I would say that if Oda continues it for longer time and dont end Ballamy vs Luffy at end of next chapter or on start of next one after it then it would be too stretched out..
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I think that may be Oda's way of giving Luffy's future allies some credibility as a fighting force.
Plus, this is the fuckin New World. We've been told time and time again that this ocean is next level shit in general.
So it makes perfect sense that these strong New World pirates are being given opportunities to shine in the right situations.
You seem to have enough time to rant about Darth ranting.
"mother used to say If you want you fing a way" you know from what anime(song in it) are those words? If you do then + 10 to your awesomness, if you dont then watch Cowboy Bebop ASAP
You seem to have enough time to rant about Darth ranting.
Tis wonderful thing.
I have numerous people agreeing with me every time I speak up. And yet… nobody I jumping on them, as you might notice.
Peculiar. It's as if people have some kind of grudge against me just for being there.
If D-Block is any evidence, he goes back to sleep either after a time limit or when everybody around is knocked out.
So, in the 2nd scenario, Barto and Gladius would need to be defeated before going back to sleep. And in the 1st, he wouldn't be able to climb an entire level and then the castle in such a short time.
But the thing is that he would give priority to the nearest person.
I'm not saying that he will climb to the 4th level and defeat Trebol since Robin is the one who will do it (Koala might join her) and it seems like he goes back to sleep after cleaning up which makes me to assume that that's the main reason for Barto to be tagging along with him.
I agree on the bolded.
She could block attacks aimed at her?
Did you miss the part where Diamante was vastly stronger than her? She wouldn't be able to do that. She tried to block one of his attacks before and got swatted like a fly.
Strike him from his blind spot?
Because that'll actually do something. Last time she tried to strike him Diamante didn't even feel anything. He also has a steel cape.
Create a distraction?
What distraction could she possibility create? She's completely incapable of harming Diamante, so why would he care enough to be distracted by her?
If she has no intention to fight and never had, she should have stayed with Usopp and the rest.
Her intention was to give Luffy the key to Law's handcuffs. She didn't know Diamante would be standing in the flower fields.
Or she should have run to them now
Run to them?
nstead of just standing there
What else can she do? There's nowhere for her to go.
Next cover side-story has to be about Sai and Baby 5. That'd be perfect LOL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but right now the only minor executives left are Gladius and Senor Pink?
Means we'll probably move on to the big fights soon and as I've been saying for so long, they better be proper fights. The biggest issue with the fights post-TS has been exactly that they're so quick and often disjointed because they're spread out to small scenes. This also makes for pretty unsatisfying fights.
Oda wants us to hunger for amazing 1 on 1 fights that last for an entire chapters and we will very likely get it when Strawhats will be fighting Yonko crew.
For example if Law lives and takes part in fight against Yonko/ Yonko top fighter then it can be offscreened for sake of us seeing for example Sanji beating the shit out of somebody because we know all Laws attacks(probably almost) and we have idea how strong he is atm.
Blunt sword? So what? Doesn't stop characters that use fists or clubs or any amount of conceivable things that don't cut.
It seems that you've forgotten that her blunt sword can't harm Diamante.
Have her use her parrying/blocking/dodging skills to allow her father to focus on attacking.
It's becoming tedious having to repeat this. She's not strong enough to do anything of that.
It doesn't matter if you're outclassed. Make and earnest effort and go down swinging.
So you want her to get beat up yet again and maybe even killed for no reason at all?
Ideo is warrior who made a pact to fight in Usopps name. Rebecca is not a warrior and she has no reason to risk her life anymore.
Why are tertiary characters defeating one of the most hyped antagonist group in the history of manga?
Oda is just building up Luffy's allies and giving them debt so we the readers can care for them more cuz lets be real, we knew that they were going to help Luffy, but we do/did not give a crap about them. I care about Sai, Ideo (Oda is such a dude) and a little about the giant but only because of Ussop.
Did you miss the part where Diamante was vastly stronger than her? She wouldn't be able to do that. She tried to block one of his attacks before and got swatted like a fly.
I would like panel of that, since I don't remember that actually being the case.
Because that'll actually do something. Last time she tried to strike him Diamante didn't even feel anything. He also has a steel cape.
He doesn't need to feel anything. Even a failed blow should be enough to create a distraction.
Or did we forget what King was capable of doing with blunt sword?
What distraction could she possibility create? She's completely incapable of harming Diamante, so why would he care enough to be distracted by her?
Yes, he totaly ignores and does not pay any attention to her at all. This chapter proves it!
Her intention was to give Luffy the key to Law's handcuffs. She didn't know Diamante would be standing in the flower fields.
At the basis of Doffy's palace? And nobody of note would be there. Logical.
And even if that was the case, Luffy and Law are Flamingo first and foremost targets. And that she knows. What was she going to do if he appeared? Or if they were already in fight?
If her intention was truly to just be a glorified courier, then she is more stupid the she was portrayed thus far. Which I assume is not the case.
Run to them?
Yes? It's not like the road is blocked.
What else can she do? There's nowhere for her to go.
Down and into the city, instead of staying near deluded psychopath bent on killing her to harm her father?
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Oda is just building up Luffy's allies and giving them debt so we the readers can care for them more cuz lets be real, we knew that they were going to help Luffy, but we do/did not give a crap about them. I care about Sai, Ideo (Oda is such a dude) and a little about the giant but only because of Ussop.
Wait, they have depth? That's news to me, they all seem rather one-dimensional right now.
She could block attacks aimed at her? Strike him from his blind spot? Create a distraction?
If she has no intention to fight and never had, she should have stayed with Usopp and the rest.
Or she should have run to them now, instead of just standing there.
I never got that part, like WTF are you going to do in the plateau? To see your daddy or something, Diamante should have murder your whole family.
It would actually feel good If Diamante were to do something to Kyros and she can go to the rescue with her blunt ass sword.
I never got that part, like WTF are you going to do in the plateau? To see your daddy or something, Diamante should have murder your whole family.
It would actually feel good If Diamante were to do something to Kyros and she can go to the rescue with her blunt ass sword.
Lest we forget, there is no reason for her to go, since Usopp could perfectly well shoot them the keys, as he did before in Enies Lobby.
Now, if I was goverment agent bend on balance of force and not plunging the world into oblivion, I would say then: "But wait a minute. You were present at the scene. With three thousands of our elite soldiers, lead by not one, but two Vice Admirals. This incident was caused by one Shichibukai. Not only were you incapable of taking any actions against him, you also failed to apprehend him afterwards. You. One of the four strongest guys currently on our payroll. And you want us to start a conflict with not one but six such pirates simultenously? Yeah, nope."
I guess this is a hard pill to swallow, because the admirals so far are one of these ranks that are…untainted. Almost all One Piece fans will agree that the Admirals are the real deal, while vice admirals are often used as a punch line in these parts. Sure, Ao Kiji and Kizaru both have wacky character traits, but we really knew this about them from the beginning (literally the first scene with Ao Kiji established that) and it fits with the general tone of One Piece. Yes, Fuji has wacky things about him as well, the whole careless old man bit, but it's less funny if the situation is so dire that people are dying by the minute. We saw a child mourn their parents body surrounded by gun fire, clattering swords and burning buildings, that's not really the appropriate backdrop for wacky admirals (I guess if One Piece was supposed to be a dark comedy). I mean, when Ao Kiji spared the Straw Hats on a technicality, it still only lead to these people escaping, nobody died indirectly (at that very moment, since the straw hat surviving that encounter did set some things into motion that are catastrophic) because of your questionable reasoning, or a technicality, when Luffy challenged Ao Kiji mano e mano, establishing that he isn't some sort of honor-less scumbag.
Kizaru is more arguable, but even he more or less did what he was supposed to do and was influenced by forces not expected to hinder him. The Dark Knight is a believable hindrance and was well introduced to us, so the whole scenario played out neatly. Sabo in that way, is what Rayleigh was to Kizaru, but I've read that you have big problems with the way Oda choose him to stall Fuji. I don't really have a problem with that, since Ace was extremely strong as well for his age, no yonkou or admiral, but not too far away from it. I mean, when I imagine the aftermath of all this and Fuji is telling his version to his superiors, saying that the second highest ranked revolutionary, who just got considerably stronger with eating the fire logia fruit, that really doesn't seem outrageous. Of course, this opens up two questions to me; What would've been if Sabo never appeared, what would've been the excuse? Nobody expected to appear in this arc. And what about his subordinates? Is Marine Grunt number 76 going to be able to keep this story secret? Are all these men completely loyal to him? Maynard suggested taking out Doflamingo, is he going to never say anything about Fuji ordering to stay away from Doflas lackeys?
I mean, I get what Oda is trying to do, but the whole thing, this whole construct just feels flimsy
I'm mostly reserving judgement because I genuinely don't really know how this will all pan out, while with a lot of other segments, I at least have some sort of idea where it might go, comes with reading a series for several years, but this I don't know.
Let's assume he succeeds in getting rid of the Shichibukai, wouldn't that be honestly pretty great? These people continue to terrorize people even after being pardoned, outright going after goverment officials, Dofla turning marines into toys, Moria stealing shadows of the same guys, one actually staged a coup to acquire a doomsday weapon, all proven to be unreliable little shits. It also fits with Fujis character, since his good will towards people shines through that way, wanting to get rid of the whole philosophy of using untrustworthy privateers as means to an end.
I honestly blame this more on Oda making this weirder than it has to be, instead of Fuji. The character isn't ruined for me, but I admit I'm not a fan of how it's been written and presented to us. That actually describes my sentiment about Dressrosa as well, alright arc, a little too ambitious for me, better than Fishman Island and especially Punk Hazard, but still a little iffy.
Edit: It's not my argument, but I just saw Magis post and since you will read this, he meant the scene when Rebecca finally resolved herself to attack Diamante. He commented on her using a dull blade and beat her down with his belt mace. I don't have the page now, but it really gave of the impression of Diamante being much stronger than her.
Oda wants us to hunger for amazing 1 on 1 fights that last for an entire chapters and we will very likely get it when Strawhats will be fighting Yonko crew.
For example if Law lives and takes part in fight against Yonko/ Yonko top fighter then it can be offscreened for sake of us seeing for example Sanji beating the shit out of somebody because we know all Laws attacks(probably almost) and we have idea how strong he is atm.
I'll definitely be dissappointed if all of them will be OHKOs similar to what we had in Punk Hazard and Fishman Island. I definitely want proper fights this arc because it's been two arcs with no proper fights and mostly small skrimishes AND Doflamingo is a villain built up for 10 years at this point. I was iffy about it at first, but I understand these more minor guys going down quicker because they're opponents for less important allies and have had a lot less screen-time than the main guys.
Her intention was to give Luffy the key to Law's handcuffs. She didn't know Diamante would be standing in the flower fields.
Intentions on a battle field full of people stronger than her, she saw what those guys were capable of, so she should have stayed with Grandpa and.
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Wait, they have depth? That's news to me, they all seem rather one-dimensional right now.
And that's why Oda is giving them panel time.
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Lest we forget, there is no reason for her to go, since Usopp could perfectly well shoot them the keys, as he did before in Enies Lobby.
Exactly, it just doesn't make any sense for her to go there, I would have assumed that she will rather stay with her family and wait for daddy to come back, but she had to be a brave girl, or better yet, go rescue your god damn friends that cannot even walk because they have no fucking limbs anymore.
And that's why Oda is giving them panel time.
But that panel time is hardly providing depth to them. They are all still within that one defining trait they have and little less. Yes, he spend time giving them well drawn pages, but it doesn't really make them deep, it just gives them slightly more panel time.
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I guess this is a hard pill to swallow, because the admirals so far are one of these ranks that are…untainted. Almost all One Piece fans will agree that the Admirals are the real deal, while vice admirals are often used as a punch line in these parts. Sure, Ao Kiji and Kizaru both have wacky character traits, but we really knew this about them from the beginning (literally the first scene with Ao Kiji established that) and it fits with the general tone of One Piece. Yes, Fuji has wacky things about him as well, the whole careless old man bit, but it's less funny if the situation is so dire that people are dying by the minute. We saw a child mourn their parents body surrounded by gun fire, clattering swords and burning buildings, that's not really the appropriate backdrop for wacky admirals (I guess if One Piece was supposed to be a dark comedy). I mean, when Ao Kiji spared the Straw Hats on a technicality, it still only lead to these people escaping, nobody died indirectly (at that very moment, since the straw hat surviving that encounter did set some things into motion that are catastrophic) because of your questionable reasoning, or a technicality, when Luffy challenged Ao Kiji mano e mano, establishing that he isn't some sort of honor-less scumbag.
Kizaru is more arguable, but even he more or less did what he was supposed to do and was influenced by forces not expected to hinder him. The Dark Knight is a believable hindrance and was well introduced to us, so the whole scenario played out neatly. Sabo in that way, is what Rayleigh was to Kizaru, but I've read that you have big problems with the way Oda choose him to stall Fuji. I don't really have a problem with that, since Ace was extremely strong as well for his age, no yonkou or admiral, but not too far away from it. I mean, when I imagine the aftermath of all this and Fuji is telling his version to his superiors, saying that the second highest ranked revolutionary, who just got considerably stronger with eating the fire logia fruit, that really doesn't seem outrageous. Of course, this opens up two questions to me; What would've been if Sabo never appeared, what would've been the excuse? Nobody expected to appear in this arc. And what about his subordinates? Is Marine Grunt number 76 going to be able to keep this story secret? Are all these men completely loyal to him? Maynard suggested taking out Doflamingo, is he going to never say anything about Fuji ordering to stay away from Doflas lackeys?
I mean, I get what Oda is trying to do, but the whole thing, this whole construct just feels flimsy
I'm mostly reserving judgement because I genuinely don't really know how this will all pan out, while with a lot of other segments, I at least have some sort of idea where it might go, comes with reading a series for several years, but this I don't know.
Let's assume he succeeds in getting rid of the Shichibukai, wouldn't that be honestly pretty great? These people continue to terrorize people even after being pardoned, outright going after goverment officials, Dofla turning marines into toys, Moria stealing shadows of the same guys, one actually staged a coup to acquire a doomsday weapon, all proven to be unreliable little shits. It also fits with Fujis character, since his good will towards people shines through that way, wanting to get rid of the whole philosophy of using untrustworthy privateers as means to an end.
I honestly blame this more on Oda making this weirder than it has to be, instead of Fuji. The character isn't ruined for me, but I admit I'm not a fan of how it's been written and presented to us. That actually describes my sentiment about Dressrosa as well, alright arc, a little too ambitious for me, better than Fishman Island and especially Punk Hazard, but still a little iffy.
Edit: It's not my argument, but I just saw Magis post and since you will read this, he meant the scene when Rebecca finally resolved herself to attack Diamante. He commented on her using a dull blade and beat her down with his belt mace. I don't have the page now, but it really gave of the impression of Diamante being much stronger than her.
I do blame Oda. And I suppose my reaction mostly stems from being heavily invested in that character and really liking him in his earlier appearences.
His goal to remove Shichibukai is honestly really interesting, and it breaks the status quo, something we don't get much in the series.
Hm. I'm still waiting for a miracle in regards to him, but it seems unlikely to pass.
Regarding Kyros, dude has always been very protective of his daughter. Even more so after his wife was murdered. His action is understandable. He can't bear to lose his daughter to his wife's murderer.
I know he told his daughter that he can't always be there to protect her. But I think is pretty understandable that he doesn't want his daughter to fight Diamante. He is trying to minimise the risk of her getting killed.
Rebecca…I'm glad she is not sitting there and crying. At least she is prepared to fight sort of. I really hope she prove herself useful during battle and go against he dad's order. She does have an advantage with her speed so use it!
I will extremely disappointed if she does absolutely nothing during the fight which further prove her father's point.
I dunno, Chinjao (and the happou navy), Rebecca, Cavendish, Bartolomeo all had some good backstories. They're not to best in the series, but they've got their depth. Bellamy, too. It's just showing some of Luffy's possible future allies being competent. Fishman Island needs to be protected somehow, no? It's not just these guys getting fleshed out either, it's the Dofla family, too. In terms of "competence" maybe not the best solution for the Dofla Family, but in terms of character development, pretty good for both sides.
But that panel time is hardly providing depth to them. They are all still within that one defining trait they have and little less. Yes, he spend time giving them well drawn pages, but it doesn't really make them deep, it just gives them slightly more panel time.
I agree, they are all one dimensional right now, but Oda is currently giving Sai more panel time than any of them thus making him more likable and less one sided, I'd assume that the giant will have his fair shear of panel time once he meets Ussop once more, the other ones, I seriously have no idea what Oda is planning with them.
It seems that you've forgotten that her blunt sword can't harm Diamante.
It's becoming tedious having to repeat this. She's not strong enough to do anything of that.
So you want her to get beat up yet again and maybe even killed for no reason at all?
Ideo is warrior who made a pact to fight in Usopps name. Rebecca is not a warrior and she has no reason to risk her life anymore.
"Oh ho I've tried once before, that's the end of that!"
Nope. Never gonna fly. Can't even count the number of times where characters have been tossed around like ragdolls and have gotten up repeatedly against insurmountable odds. So Diamante smacked her around a bit? Hundreds of other characters, lesser characters even, are subjected to worse yet still manage to do something other than just stand around by the end.
Ideo's 1-chapter half-gag warrior pact takes precedence over an actual character arc with backstory? Get outta here with that shit lol. She has all the reason in the world to risk her life, warrior or not. It's not as if she's some toddler incapable of resistance entirely. She knows and has been in combat for years. "At this point I'm nothing more than a burden!!" Yep, what beautiful payoff.
Again though there are still chapters left so this shit's almost pointless. I'll take this up again when things are actually over
I would like panel of that
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/739/14
She saw him going in for an attack, she held her sword up in an attempt to block it, and then she was fodderised in the process
Or did we forget what King was capable of doing with blunt sword?
King Riku is much stronger than Becca. Don't compare the two.
Yes, he totaly ignores and does not pay any attention to her at all. This chapter proves it!
He wants to kill her yes, but he's not distracted.
At the basis of Doffy's palace? And nobody of note would be there. Logical.
The flower fields = /= the palace.
She was originally going theere with Robin and Barto, but they were blindsided by Gladius. She had protection.
Which I assume is not the case.
As I mentioned previously, she had protection.
Yes?
Run to who?
Down and into the city
How would she get down? She originally got up there with help from the Tontatta.
While yes, Oda definitely has a streak of women needing help or not getting serious fights, (but men have needed saving just as often, if not more) its really not sexism in this case.
Its Kyros' innocent child, who is not really a fighter, being forced to fight against their will, against the same monster that killed their mother. If Rebecca was his son instead of his daughter, it'd be exactly the same scenario and the exact same dialogue. Plus, Kyros is the crazy badass who won thousands of arena fights.
Its honestly no different from Luffy protecting Coby against Alvida in the first chapters. Or Zoro wanting to take Kuma's killing blow in Luffy's place. Or Sanji wanting to save Zoro from the same. Or Usopp taking on Perona when the others couldn't. Or Ace getting in front of various threats to protect Luffy.
And aside from all that, the fight isn't over yet. It's hard to believe Oda would put them both in the same place and not have her do something before its all said and done. (Especially with Robin already racing there.)
I suggest reading Kyros flashback again. Then one understands that he doesnt want his children to fight with a sword, kill, like their father.
I'll definitely be dissappointed if all of them will be OHKOs similar to what we had in Punk Hazard and Fishman Island. I definitely want proper fights this arc because it's been two arcs with no proper fights and mostly small skrimishes AND Doflamingo is a villain built up for 10 years at this point. I was iffy about it at first, but I understand these more minor guys going down quicker because they're opponents for less important allies and have had a lot less screen-time than the main guys.
I also want proper 1 on 1 but what we will get will be most likely proper 1 on 1 for Luffy only, maybe one chapter for Zoro finishing off Pica + some other developments.
I also want proper 1 on 1 but what we will get will be most likely proper 1 on 1 for Luffy only, maybe one chapter for Zoro finishing off Pica + some other developments.
We'll see, I guess.
Nope. Never gonna fly.
You're being very narrow minded.
Can't even count the number of times where characters have been tossed around
Entirely different characters.
Hundreds of other characters are subjected to worse
Read the previous statement.
Besides, she wants to fight now. It's Kyros who doesn't want her to.
Ideo's 1-chapter half-gag warrior pact takes precedence over an actual character arc with backstory?
Half gag? Haha, just stop.
She has all the reason in the world to risk her life, warrior or not.
Who are you to decide if she has a reason to die? Lol.
It's not as if she's some toddler incapable of resistance entirely.
She is in this instance.
She knows and has been in combat for years
No, she's ran for years. She has never actually fought anyone before this arc.
I'll take this up again when things are actually over
You should.
