Good job on keeping the discussion going and not sidetracking to useless bickering.
Hints on Blackbeard power
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If we're going to be condescending: Yeah, you're being 100% dismissive and not even debating with any form of nuance. You're no worse than "the perona will/won't join" back and forths, without the blinding fanboyism.
Congrats man, you did it. Good job on only seeing black and white.
Sorry if I came across as condescending but I just see a simple solution, that's all.
Luffy and zoro had come across several strange individuals throughout mock town and I read the "them" as the several individuals being grouped together, which makes sense since they're all part of the same crew.
I have no problem with debating when it comes to the nuances of an ambiguous situation, in this case I just don't find it to be ambiguous like some people do.
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Blackbeard may get is weird body from a birth defects lol but I guess that would be too simple and it wouldn't make sense Oda keep it ambiguous if it is that simple
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Oh dear, not the multi-blackbeard mock town theory again.
The "them" in question was the other members of the Blackbeard pirates that Luffy and Zoro saw (Burgess, Doc Q) and the skills of another that they witnessed (Augur and the seagulls).
This theory is truly an unflushable.
Yeah I agree with this.
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I gave this a hefty amount of thought and …..
first lets put together EVERYTHING we know that has relative relationship with BB:
1.the qoute of ace about BB having double his experience(our foremost and most crucial piece of information mostly cause it was confirmed by oda)
2.marco's qoute on BB's "atypical" body
3.the DF going into the nearest fruit right after the user dies
4.BB's abnormal LOGIA df that doesn't turn him intangible and ABSORBS even attacks and he gets hurt
5.his three flintlocks, three bladed sword(the one on his wrist when liberating FI) and the three skulls on the flag
6.BB hunting down DF users and stealing their power
first of all we know that he inflicted the scar on shanks's face before having his DF implying he must be a pretty strong "plain fighter" but all we have seen about him fighting with hands was getting nailed by luffy(couldn't keep up with his pre-TS speed). How can someone like that hurt shanks without a DF??? How can someone start a mutiny and kill his friend on the ship of the perhaps best CoO user ever seen???? I want to point out that luffy and zoro and sanji sensed a "wild beast" in the ryugo palace
second is that marco pointed out that the reason for BB having 2 dfs is HIS(and not his crew's) atypical body structure, and according to the 6th info above he is hunting DF users for HIMSELF. why? first the crew don't have atypical body structurs and second we did't see jesus use any df even though he should have one after 2 Y.So BB is hunting them for himself and because of that he can hold more than just 2 DF powers. And once again according to marco it isn't because of the yami yami that he can have 2 dfs.
and why didn't he take ace's df power on banaro island when he had the chance???
IMO, the devil inside him is more powerfull than the devil inside the DF and so can subdue the later and end the conflict between them that causes the body to implode, it also can explain why no one didn't notice his intentios on the WB ship even WB because he has a double personality and probably that "demon" personality delivered the 3 scars on shanks
I agree that the theory has some holes and maybe not complete, but i think putting all of it together it makes kind of sense
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Here's my imperfect theory I'm still working on. This is somewhat based on Inherited Will theory.
Long time ago, there was a kingdom in the sky. The Dream Kingdom on Dreampiea Island. During a terrible strom it felt to the Blue Sea. Even though they had great technology, they didn't have enough jet dials to come back to the sky, so they had to live here. They were really good at using Kairoseki, they had practically indestructible buildings as kairoseki is really strong.
All famillies who lived here had a middle name as a sign they are citizens of this kingdom. It was D., which means 'Dream' or 'Dreamer'.All the people living here had a will and an ambition. Their will and ambition were so strong that they could use them as their other senses. They called it… Haki.
However, there lived a familly that wasn't orginally from Dreampiea and they were cursed by the seas - Marshall 'Destroyers' or Marshall 'Devils'. Their souls (spirits) were cursed so they lost all their energy whenever their tried to swim. ('Marshall' was originally going to be 'Everything' instead, so it'd be something like 'destroy eveything'). Tho there were only five Marshalls alive at that moment.
Citizens of Dreampiea have build an engine using jet and breath dials to move the island like a ship. One day they discovered there's a great wall of dirt blocking their way - the Red Line. They wanted to go on the other side, and they didn't see any other way to do this than destroying a part of it. They've found a weak spot - the place above Fishman Island.
But, above that place, there was a kingdom in the center of the world - the Holy Kingdom of Mariejoa.
Mariejoa didn't have any strong warriors who could protect them, so they formed Kingdom Alliance (KA) with other 20 countries, including Dressrosa and Alabasta.
But Dreampiea people didn't give up. Their king, Joyboy asked Water 7 shipwrights to build two specifics ships: the strongest ship Pluton that can destroy islands, and the Noah, that will hold all the fishmen from FI and will take them to the surface during the Promised Day - the day, when they destroy the part of Red Line and they can go and see what's on the other side (they were really curious!).
The five Marshalls didn't see point in doing that, and they allied themself with KA, and later on they were announced as kings of Mariejoa - Gorosei. They planned on brining on Dreampiea using a human weapon - a human that would posses cursed, tho powerful spirit of all five of the Gorosei. During that process Mariejoa was destroyed by Pluton, which knocked out unconcious Gorosei and killed the human. The five spirits were scattered around the world and those spirits possessed fruits, which became 'Devil Fruits', from Marshall Devils. Before destroying the Red Line, Pluton was stopped by the KA warriors and Dreampieans had to retreat.
Tho part of the devil spirit of Gorosei survived in their bodies, and it was later used to give them immortality and forever live, using their Kings' Haki.
Before Dreampiea was doomed, Joyboy ordered to scatter blocks of Kairoseki with history texts around the world - Poneglyphs.
800 years later, Marshall D. Teach is born. Because of his dark past, he awakened his devil spirit, and when he eats a DF, the devil spirit of DF and his own spirit become one.
EoS, Blackbeard will kill Gorosei and gain their spirits and in order to defeat him Luffy's will will have to be stronger or it will be a team fight between Gorosei and BB vs Luffy, Sabo, Kid, Law, Drake and somebody idk.
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Before Dreampiea was doomed, Joyboy ordered to scatter blocks of Kairoseki with history texts around the world - Poneglyphs.
Robin touched Poigne Griffe (ch. 272 for example), so they're not made of kairoseki.
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Robin touched Poigne Griffe (ch. 272 for example), so they're not made of kairoseki.
Everything else is really unrealistic in my opinion.Maybe it was made by mixing something else with Kairoseki, kinda like white sea clouds.
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This sounds like a fanfic more then anything else. Really, there are just so many inconsistencies and new story elements never introduced that it wouldn't make sense. I mean, if they wanted to go see the other side that badly, why didn't they just go underneath it? You know, using the FI tunnel where they oh so conveniently dropped a poneglyph. Or how about 5 spirits somehow powering dozens of DFs? Haki giving immortality? Nothing makes any sense whatsoever. I'd take the cerberus theory than this lol.
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and why didn't he take ace's df power on banaro island when he had the chance???
His plan was to infiltrate ID, so he had to keep Ace alive.
So the Marineford War began(to distract everyone from his plan) and it was way easier to get to ID(all eyes were on Marineford) especially as him being a new shichibukai with such privileges anyway. -
@Don:
His plan was to infiltrate ID, so he had to keep Ace alive.
So the Marineford War began(to distract everyone from his plan) and it was way easier to get to ID(all eyes were on Marineford) especially as him being a new shichibukai with such privileges anyway.It makes me wonder how different his inital plan would have been ie had he captured/killed Luffy.
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It makes me wonder how different his inital plan would have been ie had he captured/killed Luffy.
The way I see it there are 2 possibilities. First, Blackbeard didn't think to capture Ace, but turning him in made him a Shichibukai, and the resulting war was the perfect vehicle to take Whitebeard's ability. After that, he capitalized on the situation by running around using his knowledge of Whitebeard's territories. There's a lot of randomness in that for a man with a plan like Blackbeard, but he does believe in fate so he could wave it off as that.
Or, that he was eventually planning on taking down Whitebeard and his fruit, in order to gain his fruit and control his former territory. In that case, the Marineford War happened sooner than predicted. Blackbeard would have captured Luffy, turned him into become a Shichibukai, and infiltrated ID anyway with his group of men, even with it at full security, and possible Marine backup since they're not distracted by impending war with Whitebeard. He probably would have caused a huge ruckus in there, then taken his men and gotten out. After that, I'm not sure what his plan would have been.
So yeah how much of his initial plan called for getting his hands on Whitebeard that soon? While luck was definitely on his side, what was he planning to do after turning Luffy in and getting his new crewmates from Impel Down?
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The way I see it there are 2 possibilities. First, Blackbeard didn't think to capture Ace, but turning him in made him a Shichibukai, and the resulting war was the perfect vehicle to take Whitebeard's ability. After that, he capitalized on the situation by running around using his knowledge of Whitebeard's territories. There's a lot of randomness in that for a man with a plan like Blackbeard, but he does believe in fate so he could wave it off as that.
Or, that he was eventually planning on taking down Whitebeard and his fruit, in order to gain his fruit and control his former territory. In that case, the Marineford War happened sooner than predicted. Blackbeard would have captured Luffy, turned him into become a Shichibukai, and infiltrated ID anyway with his group of men, even with it at full security, and possible Marine backup since they're not distracted by impending war with Whitebeard. He probably would have caused a huge ruckus in there, then taken his men and gotten out. After that, I'm not sure what his plan would have been.
So yeah how much of his initial plan called for getting his hands on Whitebeard that soon? While luck was definitely on his side, what was he planning to do after turning Luffy in and getting his new crewmates from Impel Down?
I suppose he might have had a plan further down the line to create the same kind of situation ie hand in a high ranking member of the WB pirates to draw WB into a war and out into the open but who knows?
He seemed confident enough engaging WB at MF but that was when he was half dead and Teach was sure that he could defeat him by countering his quake abilites.
Hmmm.
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I think BB
s plan was simply to gain the status of a shichibukai to get access to certain areas. With that he was able to reach Impel Down, where his plan was to gather a strong crew. That was his main plan in my eyes and taking over WB position and DF was simply just a matter of time. As it so happened the time was perfect during the resulting Marineford War, but he should have been aware that WB would send someone after him..afterall he lived many years with WB to know that he won
t simply forget what he did.
So maybe his plan was initually to get WB later, when he had his crew gathered and a hostage then. -
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I think BB
s plan was simply to gain the status of a shichibukai to get access to certain areas. With that he was able to reach Impel Down, where his plan was to gather a strong crew. That was his main plan in my eyes and taking over WB position and DF was simply just a matter of time. As it so happened the time was perfect during the resulting Marineford War, but he should have been aware that WB would send someone after him..afterall he lived many years with WB to know that he won
t simply forget what he did.
So maybe his plan was initually to get WB later, when he had his crew gathered and a hostage then.Yeah, I'm sure his initial plan was as you said to just go Shichibukai -> Raid Impel Down.
However, considering comments like "If he fails will we disband?" being made by Shiliew in regards to stealing WB's power makes me think that the GGnM was indeed also a major part of his plan, rather than just something done on a whim because of the situation at MF at the time.
Since the whole MF situation just fell so perfectly into place for BB, and even at that, he was still pretty nearly killed by WB, it really makes me think he must have had some kind of plan going forward in terms of killing WB and taking his power, well more of a plan than just defeating him at some point down the line.
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It makes me wonder how different his inital plan would have been ie had he captured/killed Luffy.
interesting question
we did hear about kaido attacking whitebeard while he was preparing for battle.
maybe if blackbeard would've started taking down Whitebeards Islands and people one by one (he knew his territory long enough) he could've counted on kaido trying to take down a weakend and distracted whitebeard and then finish off whoever stands, simmilar to how law planned it. then again it seems like all of WBs people except ace knew they should stay away from him, so he probably wouldnt have send single people after him…if he's able to hold more than 2 fruits and he only started with the quake fruit he could even pick up strong ones along the way before facing WB.
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I thought that the point of "if he fails we disband" referred to the fact that any normal person would die if they had 2 devil fruit powers.
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Maybe it means that all Ds can eat a second devil fruit after they finish 40.
Blackbeard was 38 when he ate second fruit though.
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I thought that the point of "if he fails we disband" referred to the fact that any normal person would die if they had 2 devil fruit powers.
It reffered to the fact that they thought eating second fruit will be possible because of speciality of Teach's body, but nobody tried it before so they weren't sure it would work.
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Blackbeard was 38 when he ate second fruit though.
Maybe it means that all Ds can eat a second devil fruit after they finish 38.
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Maybe it means that all Ds can eat a second devil fruit after they finish 38.
No it does not…
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Yeah, I'm sure his initial plan was as you said to just go Shichibukai -> Raid Impel Down.
However, considering comments like "If he fails will we disband?" being made by Shiliew in regards to stealing WB's power makes me think that the GGnM was indeed also a major part of his plan, rather than just something done on a whim because of the situation at MF at the time.
Since the whole MF situation just fell so perfectly into place for BB, and even at that, he was still pretty nearly killed by WB, it really makes me think he must have had some kind of plan going forward in terms of killing WB and taking his power, well more of a plan than just defeating him at some point down the line.
Shilliew could still have meant that as the limit to staying with the BB crew, whenever they planned to take down Whitebeard.
I'm wondering if to add a sweetener to them following he promised Devil Fruits. BB seems to have a book-learned idea that he could remove them but hadn't attempted it yet.
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No it does not…
It was a joke to begin with.
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Maybe Blackbeard once was a pregnant woman who got turned into a man. However, the fetus(es) couldn't be born anymore and therefore became a part of him - with the ability to grant him another DF power.
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Yeah, I'm sure his initial plan was as you said to just go Shichibukai -> Raid Impel Down.
However, considering comments like "If he fails will we disband?" being made by Shiliew in regards to stealing WB's power makes me think that the GGnM was indeed also a major part of his plan, rather than just something done on a whim because of the situation at MF at the time.
Since the whole MF situation just fell so perfectly into place for BB, and even at that, he was still pretty nearly killed by WB, it really makes me think he must have had some kind of plan going forward in terms of killing WB and taking his power, well more of a plan than just defeating him at some point down the line.
After planning in the shadows for so long every step carefully, we can assume he had a good plan for WB.
What it could have been is fanfiction and that i don`t wanna touch here.
But getting his crew complete and on the same day getting the GGnM (lol, nice way to shorten it..which i made pointless now by adding this sentence ;) while taking down WB seems in my opinion a bit rushed as his plan A.
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After planning in the shadows for so long every step carefully, we can assume he had a good plan for WB.
What it could have been is fanfiction and that i don`t wanna touch here.
But getting his crew complete and on the same day getting the GGnM (lol, nice way to shorten it..which i made pointless now by adding this sentence ;) while taking down WB seems in my opinion a bit rushed as his plan A.
He did wait so long for his chance to execute his rise to the top, but on his agenda this day was so busy then :)Yeah what I dig about Blackbeard is that, even if things may have not gone according to plan, he really cashed in the opportunity he created by capturing Ace. His infiltration of ID was easier (although they did underestimate Magellan) because all eyes were on Whitebeard. Capturing Ace also caused Luffy to go wild in Impel Down in order to rescue him. Had Impel Down not already been in such a chaotic state by the time BB arrived, Shiliew may have never even been released to confront them, and might have never joined his crew.
After that, he's able to go right to Marineford and, at the most opportune moment, take his old man's power. Gotta give him credit for pulling all of that off.
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Yeah what I dig about Blackbeard is that, even if things may have not gone according to plan, he really cashed in the opportunity he created by capturing Ace. His infiltration of ID was easier (although they did underestimate Magellan) because all eyes were on Whitebeard. Capturing Ace also caused Luffy to go wild in Impel Down in order to rescue him. Had Impel Down not already been in such a chaotic state by the time BB arrived, Shiliew may have never even been released to confront them, and might have never joined his crew.
I might now get a bit on thin ice, because iam tired and i just try to write out some of my thoughts..bear with me when i can
t find now the fitting examples :) BB may be the antagonist but he relies on the same principals as our protagonist does. (being a dreamer, having courage, standing behind his crew) One was here showcased in him believing in fate (Doc Q showcasing this to the reader)…he sees his rise to the top as something natural, given by the flow of time. The scene with Magellan might or might not have been the end for him, when Magellan wouldn
t have been busy with chasing Luffy and Shiliew being free to help him out.
Just like Luffy in Lougetown, his path to the top seems to be determinded with fate behind every action. (or taking the consequences with a smile)Oda does really show the dance between BB and Luffy during the story and how they both interact and influence their fate.
Both somehow need each other and without the other their ways wouldnt lead to the top. BB has a more strategic approach, but as the Magellan scene showcases he still relies unknown on Luffy/luck as does Luffy rely on BB/luck, that Ace was in the end captured instead of him. BB encouraging Luffy to go to Skypia / turning Ace to the marines, which resulted in Ace
s death ...all that made Luffy grow and so getting closer to him.
Luffy on the other hand saved indirect BB`s life in ID and gave him the opportunity to strike during the Marineford War..that resulted in strengthen his enemy. -
I wonder why there is so much focus on the possibility that Blackbeard has multi-body-whatever?
To me, the answer has always been more along the line "bloodline elements" clue talked about in the Punk Hazard arc. There, when talking about a artificial devil fruit, it is revealed that Vegapunk already knows what devil fruits are. (Also said in other places) But to me, the real answer lies in "bloodline".
What is in blood? Iron. I believe that a devil fruit modifies a person's blood, granting them powers. Obviously, i have about as much proof as the "three body Blackbeard" theory.
Here is what I do have:
Every weapon that we see having eaten a fruit is iron. Gundog, Elephant sword. Like the iron in people's blood.
Iron sinks. (dumb, but an "iron man" would never be able to swim.
Fruit and metal are both symbols of the "earth" element. Naturally, they are enemies of "water" element.
Pretty sketchy, and it does not explain how devil fruits are fruits in the first place.
But it would allow Blackbeard to take WB's power. Somehow he took what controlled the power, what controlled the blood, into his own body. Aka, he took WB heart. (ew) By doing so he skipped the digestion phase of absorbing a new devil fruit, where the issue usually lies with getting two powers. Fruit =>digested=>blood=>power. but if the power is already in the blood, error, does not compute, you die. But Blackbeard went heart+heart=>super power. Like i said, it is a stretch, but when isnt a fan theory. -
I wonder why there is so much focus on the possibility that Blackbeard has multi-body-whatever?
To me, the answer has always been more along the line "bloodline elements" clue talked about in the Punk Hazard arc. There, when talking about a artificial devil fruit, it is revealed that Vegapunk already knows what devil fruits are. (Also said in other places) But to me, the real answer lies in "bloodline".
What is in blood? Iron. I believe that a devil fruit modifies a person's blood, granting them powers. Obviously, i have about as much proof as the "three body Blackbeard" theory.
Here is what I do have:
Every weapon that we see having eaten a fruit is iron. Gundog, Elephant sword. Like the iron in people's blood.
Iron sinks. (dumb, but an "iron man" would never be able to swim.
Fruit and metal are both symbols of the "earth" element. Naturally, they are enemies of "water" element.
Pretty sketchy, and it does not explain how devil fruits are fruits in the first place.
But it would allow Blackbeard to take WB's power. Somehow he took what controlled the power, what controlled the blood, into his own body. Aka, he took WB heart. (ew) By doing so he skipped the digestion phase of absorbing a new devil fruit, where the issue usually lies with getting two powers. Fruit =>digested=>blood=>power. but if the power is already in the blood, error, does not compute, you die. But Blackbeard went heart+heart=>super power. Like i said, it is a stretch, but when isnt a fan theory.Very interesting, I like the creativity!
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Smiley was a cloud of poisonous gas and ate a devil fruit.
Blackbeard has something about his body that Marco was sure that allowed him to eat 2 devil fruits, so that's where all the speculation about Blackbeard's body come from. I say he's got some duplicated organs, which make him count as more than one person for devil fruit's purposes. Something that any doctor in Whitebeard's crew would have found, so it was common knowledge.
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Smiley was a cloud of poisonous gas and ate a devil fruit.
Blackbeard has something about his body that Marco was sure that allowed him to eat 2 devil fruits, so that's where all the speculation about Blackbeard's body come from. I say he's got some duplicated organs, which make him count as more than one person for devil fruit's purposes. Something that any doctor in Whitebeard's crew would have found, so it was common knowledge.
I don't think it's different organ origins. That would be a let down IMO, and so far Oda has made sure every key plot point is either epic or hilarious.
I much prefer the idea about iron. Maybe he has an iron arm that ate the devil fruit(not likely but at least a lot more epic). I'm still convinced he is a chimera or something. Or he ate a chimera fruit(also not likley because he's never displayed zoan type abilities). Or maybe he is the only human, alien crossbreed(but then why the 3 heads on his Jolly Roger?). Or it'd just a perk of his devil fruit, which was "the one he'd been searching for"(but again why the 3 heads on his jolly roger?).
The Jolly Roger throws a wrench in most theories, they are always shown to capture the essence of the captain.
To me there really are only 2 viable hypothesis. It's his devil fruit ability, or he is a chimera. I think by a wide margin, the chimera hypothesis is superior though.
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Smiley was a cloud of poisonous gas and ate a devil fruit.
Blackbeard has something about his body that Marco was sure that allowed him to eat 2 devil fruits, so that's where all the speculation about Blackbeard's body come from. I say he's got some duplicated organs, which make him count as more than one person for devil fruit's purposes. Something that any doctor in Whitebeard's crew would have found, so it was common knowledge.
Damn, forgot that Smiley was a DF user. Although I think he was feed it after he was condensed? Either way, I dunno.
About the Marco "quote". That saying has been translated too separate ways, depending on the translation (And I have looked at several.) Sometime it is a "HAS" as in past tense, so that yes, Marco knows what it is. But some times I have seen it as "MUST HAVE" meaning a question tense. So Marco was just speculating. I don't speak/read Japanese, so I can not say for certain which. Just that may be a miss translation leading to speculation. Maybe someone better connected to the culture knows better?
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Damn, forgot that Smiley was a DF user. Although I think he was feed it after he was condensed? Either way, I dunno.
About the Marco "quote". That saying has been translated too separate ways, depending on the translation (And I have looked at several.) Sometime it is a "HAS" as in past tense, so that yes, Marco knows what it is. But some times I have seen it as "MUST HAVE" meaning a question tense. So Marco was just speculating. I don't speak/read Japanese, so I can not say for certain which. Just that may be a miss translation leading to speculation. Maybe someone better connected to the culture knows better?
You can't be sure smiley doesn't have iron in him, i mean, he seems fine with eating people. But ultimately, that's probably just an interesting idea that is nowhere near the truth.
And i don't think anyone knows how BB has 2 devil fruits. I think his crew just suspects that is the reason.
Also, something I just thought about, I'm going to add another fact that doesn't support the "it's just a power he has with his DF" theory. The yami yami no mi has had other people consume it. If BB knew that if he ate it it would give him the ability to have other DF, then I don't think there would be any confusion as to how he's able to do it. He wouldn't have been the first, they would have just commented on the OPness of his DF.
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As interesting as it sounds I think the iron theory would be too complicated to explain Blackbeard's character, though you could be onto something about DFs in general. Oda is usually pretty straight with explanations and I believe that the hints are pointing more at Blackbeard having a 'multi-body' thing going on than anything else.
My theory is that BB is multiple people in one and essentially has multiple personalities, whether that is due to him consuming a Devil Fruit or something else.
His initial character must have been overtaken the other, and that is why Whitebeard states that he does not carry the will of D, because he his body has been seized by someone else thus his bloodline has been tarnished.
This also neatly ties up how Shanks references BB was a much different person in his past.Which has also got me thinking, has there been any characters that have consumed a devil fruit before they have given birth? Is this something that has been introduced already? Surely it must have some side effects on the children!
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As interesting as it sounds I think the iron theory would be too complicated to explain Blackbeard's character, though you could be onto something about DFs in general. Oda is usually pretty straight with explanations and I believe that the hints are pointing more at Blackbeard having a 'multi-body' thing going on than anything else.
My theory is that BB is multiple people in one and essentially has multiple personalities, whether that is due to him consuming a Devil Fruit or something else.
His initial character must have been overtaken the other, and that is why Whitebeard states that he does not carry the will of D, because he his body has been seized by someone else thus his bloodline has been tarnished.
This also neatly ties up how Shanks references BB was a much different person in his past.Which has also got me thinking, has there been any characters that have consumed a devil fruit before they have given birth? Is this something that has been introduced already? Surely it must have some side effects on the children!
lol I don't think an identified DF users have had children… perhaps dragon but we don't know. Luffy certainly isn't doing anything strange with the wind.
BB, does show 3 distinct personalities though.
1. Power hungry and cruel
2. Carefree and full of dreams
3. Frightful and cowardlybut this could just be situational, and he's always power hungry and frightened of death, but cruel when he needs to be to achieve his dreams. and in general carefree when there's nothing to be worried about, or do.
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Yupa hints that Blackbeard can absorb 2 powers because he absorbed the life of Thatch, thus having a "double life" and not being just older.
The translation, and I hope CCC or Aohige will read this thread and share their knowledge and opinion, is about double life and not double age or double experience.That's a nice theory right there, I always wondered why Oda never let us know a lil bit more about Thatch.
Dead characters are always the kind of people we get to know a lot about them till they die. But Thatch, he's like being reserved for the future.
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As interesting as it sounds I think the iron theory would be too complicated to explain Blackbeard's character, though you could be onto something about DFs in general. Oda is usually pretty straight with explanations and I believe that the hints are pointing more at Blackbeard having a 'multi-body' thing going on than anything else.
My theory is that BB is multiple people in one and essentially has multiple personalities, whether that is due to him consuming a Devil Fruit or something else.
His initial character must have been overtaken the other, and that is why Whitebeard states that he does not carry the will of D, because he his body has been seized by someone else thus his bloodline has been tarnished.
This also neatly ties up how Shanks references BB was a much different person in his past.Which has also got me thinking, has there been any characters that have consumed a devil fruit before they have given birth? Is this something that has been introduced already? Surely it must have some side effects on the children!
Well, the iron theory was actually a "blood" theory originally. I have always thought that DFs modified a person's blood and that gave them powers. I thought that perhaps BB had just taken WB blood into himself. But that did not explain how objects without blood could eat fruit, and then I noticed what I thought was the "Iron" connection. Obviously that was wrong. But DFs and blood could still be the key.
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Taking in peoples blood etc just seems too edgy for One Piece.
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Multiple Personalities mean Hekuba/ Cavendish can eat 2 fruits ? No i dont think so :D
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Multiple Personalities mean Hekuba/ Cavendish can eat 2 fruits ? No i dont think so :D
Cavendish sleepwalks lol we are saying Blackbeard is 3 people.
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Why can't it just be the Yami Yami no mi?
Blackbeard boasts of its infinite absorption. What if the other devil simply can't get at Blackbeard because he creates space within himself, for himself?
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Why can't it just be the Yami Yami no mi?
Blackbeard boasts of its infinite absorption. What if the other devil simply can't get at Blackbeard because he creates space within himself, for himself?
It could be just the yami yami no mi, for sure. However, if that was his devil fruits ability why would the world of one piece agree having 2 fruits is impossible? There were people who ate the yami yami no mi before blackbeard, it would be common knowledge if others pulled that crazy shit. Also, blackbeards jolly roger has 3 heads, why is that? The 3 people theory explains this, the yami yami no mi theory does not.
But we don't know yet so either could be right.
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I'm tired with people using 3 skulls argument as an indication that he's multiple people at once.
It's just one of possible explanations. It could just as well have something to do with his past or his beliefs. It's not like every Jolly Roger has to hint stuff about their captain.
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If we trust Marco's words, then it's definitely not the Yami Yami no Mi. According to Aohige's translation, Marco says: "_But as you guys know well… Teach is a little different!! His body structure is… abnormal! That may be what caused this...!?"._
Yeah, he might be speculating, but we know Oda loves to leave us these little hints without revealing the whole truth. So it's reasonable to say it has something to do with Teach himself, and not the fruit. If that wasn't the case, why would Oda waste a panel and have Marco say something irrelevant? -
If we trust Marco's words, then it's definitely not the Yami Yami no Mi. According to Aohige's translation, Marco says: "_But as you guys know well… Teach is a little different!! His body structure is… abnormal! That may be what caused this...!?"._
Yeah, he might be speculating, but we know Oda loves to leave us these little hints without revealing the whole truth. So it's reasonable to say it has something to do with Teach himself, and not the fruit. If that wasn't the case, why would Oda waste a panel and have Marco say something irrelevant?The problem with that is that BB keeps "stealing" more DF powers. If it is his body which lets him to eat two DFs then it doesn't make sense for him to be able to eat even more. Or he's not hunting those DFs for himself to eat.
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Actually it might be possible. We don't know yet what's so unique about him, and what if his body structure allows him to eat even more than 2 DFs? Or as you said, he might be looking for more DFs to give them to his crew. Honestly I wouldn't like it if BB had many more DF powers to use, 2 is a bit too much already, perhaps he's going to get a third, but more than that and he wouldn't be able to control all of them effectively. I think he must know that, and has focused on getting the 2 (3?) strongest ones according to him.
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Its not JUST the three skulls as proof for this theory, its also the fact that Luffy and Zoro both referred to Blackbeard as "they" rather than "he". And when Nami asked why they called him "they" and whether or not he had other men with him, Luffy and Zoro did not respond.
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Its not JUST the three skulls as proof for this theory, its also the fact that Luffy and Zoro both referred to Blackbeard as "they" rather than "he". And when Nami asked why they called him "they" and whether or not he had other men with him, Luffy and Zoro did not respond.
Instead, Oda responded at the end of Jaya arc, when he showed BB and his crew.
I swear, this "they" thing has more lives than a cat.
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Its not JUST the three skulls as proof for this theory, its also the fact that Luffy and Zoro both referred to Blackbeard as "they" rather than "he". And when Nami asked why they called him "they" and whether or not he had other men with him, Luffy and Zoro did not respond.
They refers to the Blackbeard crew…
tired of this old logic. It's not you personally, it just doesn't make any sense.
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Instead, Oda responded at the end of Jaya arc, when he showed BB and his crew.
I swear, this "they" thing has more lives than a cat.
Honestly though, all it takes is a bit of common sense
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Instead, Oda responded at the end of Jaya arc, when he showed BB and his crew.
I swear, this "they" thing has more lives than a cat.
There needs to be a thread of common misunderstandings in one piece. This scene would be right at the top.