Underestimate the Strawhats
How is that underestimating?
Underestimating would be fighting them up close for no reason when they can just attack from afar.
Underestimate the Strawhats
How is that underestimating?
Underestimating would be fighting them up close for no reason when they can just attack from afar.
At this point, it has to be either Law doing it himself or Iwankov popping out from somewhere. He's nearing his limit.
D's know no limit.
I understand what you are saying, and I agree, that the nameless fodder is not worth any of the Straw Hats time.
What I am saying, is that the likelihood of there being no more "strong, named" fighters, aside from Tomago and Pekoms on that ship is slim to none. We only have been given a single glimpse of the ship. I am certain there is more than Tomago, Pekoms and fodder. I would expect at least 3-4 guys similar to Rockstar.
I'll gladly disagree on that, they are a yonkou crew and all that but I don't think Oda will overkill the chances of the Strawhats to do something against Big Mama's crew after the fancy talk Sanji did, Oda introduced those two guys back on Fishman Island as the two important fellas around, I don't think that Oda will just come and say ""Hey look, I forgot to introduce this named character but I'll do it now, so Sanji can get his kicked again" also we only saw those two watching the broadcast.
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How is that underestimating?
Underestimating would be fighting them up close for no reason when they can just attack from afar.
First of able calling the Luffy, Zoro and Sanji half boiled back at Fishman Island and now acting like the Strawhats aren't worth shit, they are clearly underestimating them, I don't know how you're not seeing that.
I'll gladly disagree on that, they are a yonkou crew and all that but I don't think Oda will overkill the chances of the Strawhats to do something against Big Mama's crew after the fancy talk Sanji did, Oda introduced those two guys back on Fishman Island as the two important fellas around, I don't think that Oda will just come and say ""Hey look, I forgot to introduce this named character but I'll do it now, so Sanji can get his kicked again" also we only saw those two watching the broadcast.
Why would that mean that there is nobody on that boat similar to Gladious or Machvise? DD has 10+ named fighters who are stronger than Fodder. Big Mom certainly has more than that, and we have only met 2 of them. There is certain to be more than just fodder on that boat aside from Pekoms and Tamago.
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I'll gladly disagree on that, they are a yonkou crew and all that but I don't think Oda will overkill the chances of the Strawhats to do something against Big Mama's crew after the fancy talk Sanji did, Oda introduced those two guys back on Fishman Island as the two important fellas around, I don't think that Oda will just come and say ""Hey look, I forgot to introduce this named character but I'll do it now, so Sanji can get his kicked again" also we only saw those two watching the broadcast.
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First of able calling the Luffy, Zoro and Sanji half boiled back at Fishman Island and now acting like the Strawhats aren't worth shit, they are clearly underestimating them, I don't know how you're not seeing that.
I would put my money on Big Moms ship having the superior talent right now
Why would that mean that there is nobody on that boat similar to Gladious or Machvise? DD has 10+ named fighters who are stronger than Fodder. Big Mom certainly has more than that, and we have only met 2 of them. There is certain to be more than just fodder on that boat aside from Pekoms and Tamago.
If Doflamingo were to be a Yonkou Gladious and Machvise would end up being his commanders.
What we know so far, I'll go with the consensus that it will no apply to every Yonkou.
Yonkou = Captain
Commanders = Sub captains
Sub Commanders underlines = the bunch
I would put my money on Big Moms ship having the superior talent right now
ON that Ship? I don't bet money over the NET, but we can bet whatever you want.
I'll laugh my ass off if it turns out Big Mom is actually on that ship.
Because the ship looks pimp enough to be her flag ship and there's no proof Pekoms and Tamago were talking to BM via Den Den Mushi.
If Doflamingo were to be a Yonkou Gladious and Machvise would end up being his commanders.
What we know so far, I'll go with the consensus that it will no apply to every Yonkou.
Yonkou = Captain
Commanders = Sub captains
Sub Commanders underlines = the bunchON that Ship? I don't bet money over the NET, but we can bet whatever you want.
What we know from Marineford, is that Yonko Commanders are as strong as the Navy's strongest, give or take. I wouldn't think any of Big Mom's are as strong as Marco, but I would think that they would be much stronger than Gladious or Machvise.
It's a figure of speech, I don't actually want to bet.
Kaido has an army of Zoan's among his crew, I think we can expect big mom to have 20+ strong, named fighters, all stronger than Gladious and Machvise.
Rockstar, who has a bounty of 94,000,000, is considered a rookie among the Red Hair Pirates.
What we know from Marineford, is that Yonko Commanders are as strong as the Navy's strongest, give or take. I wouldn't think any of Big Mom's are as strong as Marco, but I would think that they would be much stronger than Gladious or Machvise.
It's a figure of speech, I don't actually want to bet.
Kaido has an army of Zoan's among his crew, I think we can expect big mom to have 20+ strong, named fighters, all stronger than Gladious and Machvise.
Rockstar, who has a bounty of 94,000,000, is considered a rookie among the Red Hair Pirates.
Gladius and Machvise are "New World" kind of strong.
You mean that you expect Big Mom to have 20 people that are on level of Mingos Seats(Gladius is directly under Pica)? It sounds like a bit too much for me.
I would say that best example guy Vergo gave impression of somebody who could deal with fighting really strong people like Yonko commanders. He was G5 boss, right hand man of Mingo and showed off during PH.
I expect seats to be capable of fighting maybe not top but surely some of Yonko main fighters.
If Mom is on ship then Sanji can cook her some stuff and she is instant ally lol
Would be a twist if he cooks her so awesome meals that she turns into his fan.. She loves eating, Sanji is probably one of best cooks in OP world so who knows what Oda will cook with that.
Problem is that she is most likely not on ship - Tamago said that if they will go "next day" they might be on Tea Party on time, and it was said to be 3-4 days away if I am not mistaken.
Since Fishman Island 2 days passed if I am not mistaken so on that ship there still should be treasure and no Big Mom yet, though Razh is right saying that it looks pimp enough to be Moms main ship
Maybe her main will be even bigger and rest is just made so she can use any ship from her fleet that she wants, no way to tell yet.
Gladius and Machvise are "New World" kind of strong.
You mean that you expect Big Mom to have 20 people that are on level of Mingos Seats(Gladius is directly under Pica)? It sounds like a bit too much for me.
I would say that best example guy Vergo gave impression of somebody who could deal with fighting really strong people like Yonko commanders. He was G5 boss, right hand man of Mingo and showed off during PH.
I expect seats to be capable of fighting maybe not top but surely some of Yonko main fighters.
If Mom is on ship then Sanji can cook her some stuff and she is instant ally lol
Would be a twist if he cooks her so awesome meals that she turns into his fan.. She loves eating, Sanji is probably one of best cooks in OP world so who knows what Oda will cook with that.
Problem is that she is most likely not on ship - Tamago said that if they will go "next day" they might be on Tea Party on time, and it was said to be 3-4 days away if I am not mistaken.
Since Fishman Island 2 days passed if I am not mistaken so on that ship there still should be treasure and no Big Mom yet, though Razh is right saying that it looks pimp enough to be Moms main ship
Maybe her main will be even bigger and rest is just made so she can use any ship from her fleet that she wants, no way to tell yet.
I expect Big Mom to have around 7-8 guys as strong as the Seats, give or take, and then 20~ as strong/stronger than Gladious and Machvise. and then 1-2 guys who are stronger than the rest of the Commanders, similar to Marco and Jozu. Big Mom's crew is bigger, and stronger than DD's.
I don't think the Straw Hats will be defeating Big Mom on their own.
What we know from Marineford, is that Yonko Commanders are as strong as the Navy's strongest, give or take. I wouldn't think any of Big Mom's are as strong as Marco, but I would think that they would be much stronger than Gladious or Machvise.
You do know that I used Gladius and Mashvice as an example of an example that you used regarding where they would be If Dofla were to be a Yonkou right now, right?
I never said that Yonkou commanders are weak, I said that the bunch that stand behind them are the bunch Oda uses to fill out pages in a large scale confrontation.
Kaido has an army of Zoan's among his crew, I think we can expect big mom to have 20+ strong, named fighters, all stronger than Gladious and Machvise.
Don't tell me you're expecting those 500+ Zoans to be some sort of beasts? 500+ experiments that's what they are, we are probably going to see some exceptions but don't count on them being this bunch of experiments that will put the Strawhats down.
Rockstar, who has a bounty of 94,000,000, is considered a rookie among the Red Hair Pirates.
This is the new world, Caribou have 210 or something and is a piece of shit.
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I expect Big Mom to have around 7-8 guys as strong as the Seats, give or take, and then 20~ as strong/stronger than Gladious and Machvise. and then 1-2 guys who are stronger than the rest of the Commanders, similar to Marco and Jozu. Big Mom's crew is bigger, and stronger than DD's.
I don't think the Straw Hats will be defeating Big Mom on their own.
Fear enough assuming that Zoro is walking through the park with one right now, Sabo played cricket with another one and Cavendish might end up slicing the other one up, those 20s though, that will mean that Luffy will have to get at least 10+ allies who are at least on Chinjao's level.
You're really expecting a lot from those Yonkous crews man, I'm not saying I'm not expecting but I'm not counting 20+ people to be super bad asses.
I expect Big Mom to have around 7-8 guys as strong as the Seats, give or take, and then 20~ as strong/stronger than Gladious and Machvise. and then 1-2 guys who are stronger than the rest of the Commanders, similar to Marco and Jozu. Big Mom's crew is bigger, and stronger than DD's.
I don't think the Straw Hats will be defeating Big Mom on their own.
Sure thing that SH wont do that on their own but it still feels like you are underestimating Mingos crew.
Dellinger is hella strong and he seems like one of weakest members of Doflamingo crew. Machvise seems to be even stronger not to mention Gladius.
Are we really saying that Machvise and Gladius are about equals in strength? Gladius seems way stronger to me. He's smart, versatile, and dangerous. Machvise, on the other hand, seems to have a rehashed power, has displayed only one attack that hurts himself in the process, and hasn't even hit anyone with that attack. Look at their opponents, too: Machvise is fighting gladiators while Gladius is taking on three powerful characters. Give the steampunk explodey man some respect!
Oh, remember the good times when Gladius was known as Cyborg Sabo?
He'll always be Cyborg Sabo to me…
If I ever get a perma ban...
Senor Pink for third Corazon !
Are we really saying that Machvise and Gladius are about equals in strength? Gladius seems way stronger to me. He's smart, versatile, and dangerous. Machvise, on the other hand, seems to have a rehashed power, has displayed only one attack that hurts himself in the process, and hasn't even hit anyone with that attack. Look at their opponents, too: Machvise is fighting gladiators while Gladius is taking on three powerful characters. Give the steampunk explodey man some respect!
Who said they are equals?
Both are dangerous, most likely Gladius is stronger/ with bigger combat power.
We dont know exactly how big is the difference as Machvise is from Fighters Group that is most combat oriented and efficient in fighting as it seems(Dellinger was taking out one named character after another even as he is lowest in ranks of Mingos family). Gladius is in Commando group and it looks like they are mix up of DF powers + fighter kind of people.
Also I want to see proper 1 on 1 for Gladius and Bartolomeo, their designs fit each other nicely.
Also Razh what do you mean by perma ban ? :wassat:
This is the new world, Caribou have 210 or something and is a piece of shit.
Caribou isn't a piece of shit. He soloed Scotch for crying out loud. He's not a high tier like Luffy, but the man is decently strong.
Well, it's not like Scotch is a high ranking officer or something. If Kaido left him to guard an island, he can't be that important.
Well, it's not like Scotch is a high ranking officer or something. If Kaido left him to guard an island, he can't be that important.
I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is Caribou is underrated.
I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is Caribou is underrated.
Yeah, he may still end up being a troublesome opponent for one of SH. There's a good chance he'll become a part of Kaido's crew.
Yeah, he may still end up being a troublesome opponent for one of SH. There's a good chance he'll become a part of Kaido's crew.
Before time skip we could have had an arc with Caribou in place of Enel… as a "Swamp God" on Swamp Island
That time in story when Logia users were almost invincible...
And then after long arc started up with Caribou snatching Nami and Robin for some perverted puproses(giving him food in bikini while being chained to his throne for example- maximum perversion in OP world) with Luffy getting handicaped / stalled - lets say he would get his hat swallowed up by swamp and on search for it for 2/3 of arc - we would get mano a mano with Luffy covered in for example flour(to make Caribou solid - Sanjis idea ) and big gomu gomu no fuck you with Caribous face covered in tears and blood.. :ninja: Then a SH Party and somebody that actually matters showing up for a moment to throw an enigmatic reveal of treasure somewhere on next island, some phenomena or taking away one of SH so plot can move to next logia user.
I gotten carried away :blink:
Akhem.. For me Caribous role was to show that somebody who would be nearly invincible in first part of story is almost nobody in bigger picture.
Well, it's not like Scotch is a high ranking officer or something. If Kaido left him to guard an island, he can't be that important.
It was Kaidou's favorite island, though.
Caribou isn't a piece of shit. He soloed Scotch for crying out loud. He's not a high tier like Luffy, but the man is decently strong.
A piece of shit that defeated a bag of poop
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It was Kaidou's favorite island, though.
He could have been boosting himself up, you know
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Yeah, he may still end up being a troublesome opponent for one of SH. There's a good chance he'll become a part of Kaido's crew.
As long as the Strawhats don't get Armament Haki or some other measurements for logia battles, they will always have some troubles against a Logia.
I will go with Scotch = Brownbeard level
It was Kaidou's favorite island, though.
Maybe Scotch was his favorite among low ranked crew, too.
He could have been boosting himself up, you know
Drake said that his defeat would have attracted Kaidou's attention, so he's not really a nobody.
And what is Brownbeard?
Are we really saying that Machvise and Gladius are about equals in strength? Gladius seems way stronger to me. He's smart, versatile, and dangerous. Machvise, on the other hand, seems to have a rehashed power, has displayed only one attack that hurts himself in the process, and hasn't even hit anyone with that attack. Look at their opponents, too: Machvise is fighting gladiators while Gladius is taking on three powerful characters. Give the steampunk explodey man some respect!
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Drake said that his defeat would have attracted Kaidou's attention, so he's not really a nobody.
It will attract Kaido's attention because he's on one of Kiado's Island and Drake will be messing with Kaido's business. Kaido the rustles anchovies
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Does he also gets real fast while running?
It will attract Kaido's attention because he's on one of Kiado's Island and Drake will be messing with Kaido's business. Kaido the rustles anchovies
Doesn't change the fact that Scotch must have at least some sort of crew credibility if Kaido trusts him to guard an important island (we know it's important because Sabo mentioned a weapon factory that he was targetting, which is probably the one Caribou swallowed).
Really, Caribou is probably stronger than half of the Straw Hats. He's not that weak.
People that are saying that Sanji is going to go all out against Big Mam and Pekoms and Tomago, consider this:
After Luffy defeats Doflamingo, is anything Sanji does going to be all that impressive?
Surely Sanji won't show us more power than Luffy's going to demonstrate?
I think Sanji is going to run away after doing something clever to damage Big Mam's ship.
Doesn't change the fact that Scotch must have at least some sort of crew credibility if Kaido trusts him to guard an important island (we know it's important because Sabo mentioned a weapon factory that he was targetting, which is probably the one Caribou swallowed).
Really, Caribou is probably stronger than half of the Straw Hats. He's not that weak.
I never said he didn't have any credibility, but the dude is not a powerhouse and him getting defeated doesn't say anything about his opponents, we have seen the dude twice and he has gotten his ass handed to him both times, hell when you compare the jump the Supernovas made during the 2 years you realize that he is really crap since he got defeated by Drake two years ago and he's guarding an important Island of Kaido in the New World, so I have to question Kaido himself now for putting shit on the wrong toilet.
Caribou has an advantage over 6 crew members and that's why he can defeat him, you take that advantage away from him and he's crap or you give them Armament and he's crap.
Simple fact that it's Kaido's island is probably enough to drive away most of the people.
So I imagine the ones guarding it aren't busy repelling attacks day and night.
Simple fact that it's Kaido's island is probably enough to drive away most of the people.
So I imagine the ones guarding it aren't busy repelling attacks day and night.
This too !
Sure thing that SH wont do that on their own but it still feels like you are underestimating Mingos crew.
Dellinger is hella strong and he seems like one of weakest members of Doflamingo crew. Machvise seems to be even stronger not to mention Gladius.
I'm not underestimating them, they are the Strongest crew ths SH have faced by a lot thus far. I am comparing them to a Yonko crew.
Caribou has an advantage over 6 crew members and that's why he can defeat him, you take that advantage away from him and he's crap or you give them Armament and he's crap.
This "let's take away his advantage while everybody else keeps theirs or hypothetically get one" logic is so retarded. It's pretty much twisting facts to make an argument work.
How is Nami without her Climatact? Or Usopp without his slingshots? Or Chopper, Robin and Brook without their DFs?
This "let's take away his advantage while everybody else keeps theirs or hypothetically get one" logic is so retarded. It's pretty much twisting facts to make an argument work.
How is Nami without her Climatact? Or Usopp without his slingshots? Or Chopper, Robin and Brook without their DFs?
I know this was coming, and that's why I said gives them Armament Haki and you won't have Caribou defeating any of the Strawhats.
What the hell happened in here to talk about Caribou?
I mean I could understand if it was about his brother and his amazing hair.
But Caribou, the guy sucks.
I know this was coming, and that's why I said gives them Armament Haki and you won't have Caribou defeating any of the Strawhats.
Why do the Straw Hats get Armament? You're just randomly giving them advantages instead of taking Caribou's away. That's no different.
Why do the Straw Hats get Armament? You're just randomly giving them advantages instead of taking Caribou's away. That's no different.
You just said that taking Caribou's advantage away from him was retarded, so I'm giving the Strawhats the only thing that they need in order to defeat Caribou and is something that some of them will gain soon enough anyway while Caribou on the other hand, no so likely.
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What the hell happened in here to talk about Caribou?
I mean I could understand if it was about his brother and his amazing hair.
But Caribou, the guy sucks.
I second this !
You just said that taking Caribou's advantage away from him was retarded, so I'm giving the Strawhats the only thing that they need in order to defeat Caribou and is something that some of them will gain soon enough anyway while Caribou on the other hand, no so likely.
That's like saying that Luffy is the strongest person in One Piece because he's eventually going to become Pirate King.
You can't give stuff to other people to make your argument work. If you're going to compare, you can't give or take away stuff. Use what you have NOW.
^Well Said .
What the hell happened in here to talk about Caribou?
I mean I could understand if it was about his brother and his amazing hair.
But Caribou, the guy sucks.
Coribou has no hair He just has pet lizard on his head whole time.. But you surely know about this.
Coribou has no hair He just has pet lizard on his head whole time.. But you surely know about this.
That's why it's so amazing.
Anyone would put a wig and called a day but not Coribou.
He uses a live lizard as hair and he rocks with it.
That's like saying that Luffy is the strongest person in One Piece because he's eventually going to become Pirate King.
You can't give stuff to other people to make your argument work. If you're going to compare, you can't give or take away stuff.
We were talking hypothetically on why Caribou would have defeated some of the Strawhats, but If we take or give them the advantage that he has over some of them things would end up differently and I would bet you that even now they would found a way to beat Caribou's face in.
Again HYPOTHETICALLY.
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Oops, my bad. So now we know Machvise is at least fusion-Funk strength. How formidable!
On the topic of Caribou, I think part of the argument is that he has shown no physical ability whatsoever. His strategy seems to be drowning people in his body or using weapons stored there. His devil fruit gave him immunity to a lot of attacks, but his own techniques are unremarkable. Remember, standard shonen rules state that anyone who uses regular weapons to fight is either a martial arts master or a complete pushover.
Are we really saying that Machvise and Gladius are about equals in strength? Gladius seems way stronger to me. He's smart, versatile, and dangerous. Machvise, on the other hand, seems to have a rehashed power, has displayed only one attack that hurts himself in the process, and hasn't even hit anyone with that attack. Look at their opponents, too: Machvise is fighting gladiators while Gladius is taking on three powerful characters. Give the steampunk explodey man some respect!
It is pretty safe to say Machvise is pretty strong man, that panel of Franky defeated on the ground there were cracks in the ground all around him most likely meaning it was Machvise who had an attack strong enough to knock out FRANKY! Gladius has a more lethal DF at first glance but all we've seen him do with it is shoot some shrapnel into Rebecca and I dare say Machvise has been just as if not more useful to his captain in this arc as any of the other StringPatch pirates.
meaning it was Machvise who had an attack strong enough to knock out FRANKY!
Eh his main power is to get so heavy that he can smash anything, so of course Franky is gonna go down against something like that.
It is pretty safe to say Machvise is pretty strong man, that panel of Franky defeated on the ground there were cracks in the ground all around him most likely meaning it was Machvise who had an attack strong enough to knock out FRANKY! Gladius has a more lethal DF at first glance but all we've seen him do with it is shoot some shrapnel into Rebecca and I dare say Machvise has been just as if not more useful to his captain in this arc as any of the other StringPatch pirates.
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