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Interesting. I hadn't considered that. I suppose it's a possibility but I think it has something to do with what Buffalo stated after that.

Something about his heart not being frozen yet.

Mingo probably thanks to his haki wasnt frozen through and through like Jozu so he kept being concious thus could break out of ice somehow, maybe with CoC.

airy-0

So did we all agree that certain logia projections can be imbued with CoA haki?

RamistaR

A poll would answer this question.

gingerninja666

So, can only the three powers described by Rayleigh be defined as Haki.

Because I wanna know what stuff like Zoro's Asura mode is. I just assumed that it was Haki doing that because he was projecting an image using willpower but apparently, no, I got tongue lashed quite a bit for saying that.

RamistaR

So, can only the three powers described by Rayleigh be defined as Haki.

Because I wanna know what stuff like Zoro's Asura mode is. I just assumed that it was Haki doing that because he was projecting an image using willpower but apparently, no, I got tongue lashed quite a bit for saying that.

You can say everything you want about Asura IMO. Of course you can't prove you're right. But you can't be proved wrong either, unless you say it's a devil fruit.

gingerninja666

You can say everything you want about Asura IMO. Of course you can't prove you're right. But you can't be proved wrong either, unless you say it's a devil fruit.

So that's never been explained? Not even by Oda?

What about Diables Jambles? Any reason Sanji's foot doesn't catch on fire or burn his clothing? Is that haki?

RamistaR

So that's never been explained? Not even by Oda?

What about Diables Jambles? Any reason Sanji's foot doesn't catch on fire or burn his clothing? Is that haki?

No answer for Zoro's Asura.
But he did say once (long before the introduction of Haki) that Sanji doesn't catch on fire because his heart is already burning.

Redx

So did we all agree that certain logia projections can be imbued with CoA haki?

I'm pretty sure that they can.

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So that's never been explained? Not even by Oda?

What about Diables Jambles? Any reason Sanji's foot doesn't catch on fire or burn his clothing? Is that haki?

Nope not yet. Oda likes to keep people in the dark when he throws in new abilities. Then he explains them hundreds of chapters later.

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So, can only the three powers described by Rayleigh be defined as Haki.

Because I wanna know what stuff like Zoro's Asura mode is. I just assumed that it was Haki doing that because he was projecting an image using willpower but apparently, no, I got tongue lashed quite a bit for saying that.

I honestly don't get why people hate the theory so much even though it makes perfect sense.

PhoenixBoosh

So, can only the three powers described by Rayleigh be defined as Haki.

Because I wanna know what stuff like Zoro's Asura mode is. I just assumed that it was Haki doing that because he was projecting an image using willpower but apparently, no, I got tongue lashed quite a bit for saying that.

This theory is really interesting.

I like the idea of different forms of haki other than the ones already mentioned and used. Maybe there is a type of haki that lets you utilize elements, something like Color of Elements.

gingerninja666

Wait a minute.

… is Haki Spiral Power?!

RamistaR

Wait a minute.

… is Haki Spiral Power?!

LoL, I guess this is Haki then. Not to mention the Shogun.

FLCL

@PhoenixBoosh:

This theory is really interesting.

I like the idea of different forms of haki other than the ones already mentioned and used. Maybe there is a type of haki that lets you utilize elements, something like Color of Elements.

@red: I highly doubt that; if there were more types of haki, Rayleigh would have told Luffy about them. (I think it's safe to assume Rayleigh knows all about haki)

Having said that, I do like the idea of different forms of haki, it's just that I, personally, think it's more likely that each of the 3 types of haki can have different effects based on each individual's personality or "spirit".

However, even though I like to entertain that idea; I'm pretty sure that there isn't any such thing; I'm pretty sure the 3 types of haki shown are the only ones… Although they may have some extra uses that haven't been revealed yet. (Especially CoC, since Shanks could cause physical damage to a ship with it)

dailyfiber

@red: I highly doubt that; if there were more types of haki, Rayleigh would have told Luffy about them. (I think it's safe to assume Rayleigh knows all about haki)

Having said that, I do like the idea of different forms of haki, it's just that I, personally, think it's more likely that each of the 3 types of haki can have different effects based on each individual's personality or "spirit".

However, even though I like to entertain that idea; I'm pretty sure that there isn't any such thing; I'm pretty sure the 3 types of haki shown are the only ones… Although they may have some extra uses that haven't been revealed yet. (Especially CoC, since Shanks could cause physical damage to a ship with it)

Some people here have argued Rayleigh was only explaining the basics, and you could have more advanced forms that would let you do that. But I pretty much agree with you. One thing I like about Haki is that it's been in place in the series, we have concrete examples throughout of its effects before formal introduction.

Like Mantra on Skypeia, or Shanks/Rayleigh knocking out weak willed people. The only one not hinted at is CoA, which some people don't like because it makes Tekkai irrelevant, useless, and impractical in its own universe. Haki was really, really, really weird to me when it was first introduced, but I'm used to the idea now.

FLCL

@dailyfiber:

Some people here have argued Rayleigh was only explaining the basics, and you could have more advanced forms that would let you do that. But I pretty much agree with you. One thing I like about Haki is that it's been in place in the series, we have concrete examples throughout of its effects before formal introduction.

Like Mantra on Skypeia, or Shanks/Rayleigh knocking out weak willed people. The only one not hinted at is CoA, which some people don't like because it makes Tekkai irrelevant, useless, and impractical in its own universe. Haki was really, really, really weird to me when it was first introduced, but I'm used to the idea now.

I guess that's a possibility.

And, I'm not gonna lie, I would like if there were a few different forms of haki, just to give greater variety to characters. But if it stays like it is currently, I have no real problem with it.

Hm, about Tekkai, that is true, I never thought about that, but it became completely useless with the introduction of CoA… Although, These are two different abilities; so maybe, we could see some characters using Tekkai + CoA Hardening, to give tremendous boost to their defense?

dailyfiber

I guess that's a possibility.

And, I'm not gonna lie, I would like if there were a few different forms of haki, just to give greater variety to characters. But if it stays like it is currently, I have no real problem with it.

Hm, about Tekkai, that is true, I never thought about that, but it became completely useless with the introduction of CoA… Although, These are two different abilities; so maybe, we could see some characters using Tekkai + CoA Hardening, to give tremendous boost to their defense?

Maybe. I used to think Tekkai could serve as like pre-training for CoA, but the amount of work that has to be put in just to learn Tekkai makes it really impractical. Like CoA outdoes it in every regard, and it doesn't require a lifetime of superhuman training.

Klintondc

Does Garp have Conquerors Haki/Color of Conquerors ???
I mean ,is it confirmed somewhere???It seems he should have as he has fought foes like Roger and Chinjoa .Plus his grandson has it too.
But I wonder why none of the Marines have shown this particular Haki. . .

PhoenixBoosh

@Klintondc:

Does Garp have Conquerors Haki/Color of Conquerors ???
I mean ,is it confirmed somewhere???It seems he should have as he has fought foes like Roger and Chinjoa .Plus his grandson has it too.
But I wonder why none of the Marines have shown this particular Haki. . .

Well you honestly don't need Conquerors Haki to brawl with other users of the ability, but we can assume Garp has it considering his son and grandson have unlocked it.

Unless Conquerors Haki is affected by old age, would explain why Whitebeard couldn't use it at Marineford.

RamistaR

I don't think so, Garp is super strong and all. But he isn't driven by ambition and his fate as a hero never involved ruling over people.

desa

@PhoenixBoosh:

Well you honestly don't need Conquerors Haki to brawl with other users of the ability, but we can assume Garp has it considering his son and grandson have unlocked it.

Unless Conquerors Haki is affected by old age, would explain why Whitebeard couldn't use it at Marineford.

It's not confirm for Dragon either. Abd we don't if Whitebeard could use it back then.

Redx

@red: I highly doubt that; if there were more types of haki, Rayleigh would have told Luffy about them. (I think it's safe to assume Rayleigh knows all about haki)

Rayleigh only explained the Basics.

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So theres probably more to Haki than we were originally told. Rayleigh certainly didn't say anything about the Black type of Armaments either.

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I don't think so, Garp is super strong and all. But he isn't driven by ambition and his fate as a hero never involved ruling over people.

Seeing as how Haoshoku Haki is passed down through lineage it wouldn't make any sense for both Garp and Dragon not to have it. All of this was also implied when Luffy used it at Marineford.

Whitebeard was also stated to have Haoshoku Haki by 15th Division Commander Fossa(right after Luffy had used it). In fact Whitebeard was about to use it himself before his illness kicked in and Luffy ended up doing it for him.

Rivaille

I got 2 questions and a theory for you guys about Zoro and his CoA.

Oda gave us in a SBS the haki spécialisation of the M3 and we clearly saw Luffy and Sanji use the haki they specialize in at a good level and multiple times:
-Luffy uses CoC at Shabaody , Fishman island (2 times) and Dressrosa
-Sanji uses CoO atPunk Hazard (2 times) and Dressrosa (2 times).

While the only time we clearly saw Zoro uses CoA was against Monet, so my question are:
-Do you think Zoro uses CoA other times? If yes, when?
-How strong do you think his CoA is?
Theory

I have a original theory on this theme, i think that Zoro ,since the TS, uses CoA every time (i mean the same way that Coby uses his CoO) and the only times he didn't uses it was when he cuts Monet in 2.
I think that because of this sentence on the datebook deep blue:

"__How to acquired haki? Awakened during fights: When a person is placed in fights where the mind and body are pushed to the limits, the ability that lies dormant will be awakened suddenly! Training is needed in order for the user to manipulate haki at ease."

I know that you gonna tell me that this definition apply to what happen to Coby but not Zoro and i'll ask you are you sure that Zoro never been in a situation "where the mind and body are pushed to the limits"? If you don't remember look a this:

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Yeah, i think that Zoro awakened his CoA at this time but due to form of the CoA (it doesn't make voice appears in your mind) he was not aware of it.

Redx

I don't think so, Garp is super strong and all. But he isn't driven by ambition and his fate as a hero never involved ruling over people.

True but Chinjao never wanted to rule over anything either. He was only concerned with his treasure yet he had Haoshoku as well. In fact it was implied that after he used it that all legendary figures have the ability.

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So it makes sense that Garp the legendary Marine and Grandfather of the future Pirate King would have the ability as well.

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Yeah, i think that Zoro awakened his CoA at this time but due to form of the CoA (it doesn't make voice appears in your mind) he was not aware of it.

Uh, actually if Asura turns out to be Haki related then he would have awakened it long before Thriller Bark.

PhoenixBoosh

@desa:

It's not confirm for Dragon either. Abd we don't if Whitebeard could use it back then.

You're right it wasn't confirmed, but it has been hinted multiple times that he could possess it.

desa

@PhoenixBoosh:

You're right it wasn't confirmed, but it has been hinted multiple times that he could possess it.

Hinted multiple times? List them please.

RamistaR

@desa:

Hinted multiple times? List them please.

I think someone said something about Luffy having Haki "like the old man".

desa

I think someone said something about Luffy having Haki "like the old man".

Dude from Whitebeard crew referring to Whitebeard.

RamistaR

@desa:

Dude from Whitebeard crew referring to Whitebeard.

Yeah I wasn't sure so I looked for it. It's chapter 570.

PS: Marco looks like really bad there.

Redx

I think someone said something about Luffy having Haki "like the old man".

Guys I literally just explained all of this. I even gave his name. lol.

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RamistaR

Guys I literally just explained all of this. I even gave his name. lol.

Yahahaha! Sorry, I didn't notice. Good work.

FLCL

Rayleigh only explained the Basics.

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So theres probably more to Haki than we were originally told. Rayleigh certainly didn't say anything about the Black type of Armaments either.

Why are you replying to me though?

I never said Rayleigh taught anything besides the basics. Also, I never said that there isn't more to haki than we were first told.
All I said was that there isn't any other "color", as shown in the page you provided in your post, Rayleigh said:

"somehow, in two years, I plan to beat the basics of the three colors into you."

If there were more "colors", Rayleigh would have explained them to Luffy.

Now, I agree when you say that there is more to haki then we currently know, obviously.

madriano

Rayleigh certainly didn't say anything about the Black type of Armaments either.

I still think this is just a visual effect to make sure the readers know when someone is using CoA.

dailyfiber

I still think this is just a visual effect to make sure the readers know when someone is using CoA.

I'm in this boat as well. I thought that from the very first time I saw black CoA

Rivaille

I still think this is just a visual effect to make sure the readers know when someone is using CoA.

In the datebook Deep Blue it is state that koka is advanced form of CoA, so it isn't just a visual effect.

madriano

In the datebook Deep Blue it is state that koka is advanced form of CoA, so it isn't just a visual effect.

So no one in Marineford could use this advanced form of CoA, right?

Rivaille

So no one in Marineford could use this advanced form of CoA, right?

Obviously no.
Why? Ask Oda.

madriano

Obviously no.
Why? Ask Oda.

Sure. None of the most powerful guys in One Piece can use Koka.

Shadowgreed

Sure. None of the most powerful guys in One Piece can use Koka.

This term was applied after the time skip, it would have been very difficult to know who uses and who don't uses it If Oda haven't taken this approach to this matter

Rivaille

Sure. None of the most powerful guys in One Piece can use Koka.

I don't say they can't use it, i say they didn't use it in MarineFord.
If Koka was a just a visual effect it wouldn't be call "Busō-shoku no Haki:hardening" but just "Busō-shoku no Haki".
And Oda would not continue to make CoA users use CoA without them show no black limbs or black weapon.

Redx

Why are you replying to me though?

I never said Rayleigh taught anything besides the basics. Also, I never said that there isn't more to haki than we were first told.
All I said was that there isn't any other "color", as shown in the page you provided in your post, Rayleigh said:

"somehow, in two years, I plan to beat the basics of the three colors into you."

If there were more "colors", Rayleigh would have explained them to Luffy.

Now, I agree when you say that there is more to haki then we currently know, obviously.

Oh I didn't know thats what you meant.

I was only suggesting that it's possible that there may be more sub categories of each color rather than there being new colors entirely.

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I still think this is just a visual effect to make sure the readers know when someone is using CoA.

I don't think so tbh. There are situations after the timeskip like Luffy's second fight with CC where it isn't explicitly shown that he's using Haki(Koka).

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Obviously no.
Why? Ask Oda.

Or they simply chose not to use it :getlost:

King Cannon

I still think this is just a visual effect to make sure the readers know when someone is using CoA.

It does help, but we've already seen instances of Haki being used without the hardening effect (Luffy grabbing Caesar for example).

Clessenur

I got 2 questions and a theory for you guys about Zoro and his CoA.

Oda gave us in a SBS the haki spécialisation of the M3 and we clearly saw Luffy and Sanji use the haki they specialize in at a good level and multiple times:
-Luffy uses CoC at Shabaody , Fishman island (2 times) and Dressrosa
-Sanji uses CoO atPunk Hazard (2 times) and Dressrosa (2 times).

While the only time we clearly saw Zoro uses CoA was against Monet, so my question are:
-Do you think Zoro uses CoA other times? If yes, when?
-How strong do you think his CoA is?
Theory

I have a original theory on this theme, i think that Zoro ,since the TS, uses CoA every time (i mean the same way that Coby uses his CoO) and the only times he didn't uses it was when he cuts Monet in 2.
I think that because of this sentence on the datebook deep blue:

"__How to acquired haki? Awakened during fights: When a person is placed in fights where the mind and body are pushed to the limits, the ability that lies dormant will be awakened suddenly! Training is needed in order for the user to manipulate haki at ease."

I know that you gonna tell me that this definition apply to what happen to Coby but not Zoro and i'll ask you are you sure that Zoro never been in a situation "where the mind and body are pushed to the limits"? If you don't remember look a this:

! http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/50-485.0/compressed/onepiece_485_fh.17.jpg

Yeah, i think that Zoro awakened his CoA at this time but due to form of the CoA (it doesn't make voice appears in your mind) he was not aware of it.

Actually Zoro awakened his haki way earlier than that. I think the popular theory is that he awaked his haki against Mr. 1, as he was blabbing on about hearing the breath of the sword and cutting stuff like it was nothing, but I believe he actually awakened in his fight against Mihawk. Him crying might seem like he is only just overcome with emotion, but in Merry's funeral he did not shed a single tear even though he was obviously sad. Another proof is that Wado Ichimonji did not break because Zoro had poured all his spirit on the sword, in short it was coated in armament! Sure, it might be because Wado Ichimonji is a great grade sword, but Mihawk is still the strongest in the world and his sword is also of suprime grade.

vagabond87

@King:

It does help, but we've already seen instances of Haki being used without the hardening effect (Luffy grabbing Caesar for example).

Maybe better somebody is more effective CoA haki becomes and just base haki being is close to strength and effectivness of CoA hardening.
For example we seen that Marco and Vista attacked Akainu without hardening yet it was hinted to be damaging Akainus body with haki.
They seem to be haki users for decades already. Maybe CoA hardening usage is somehow tiring in longer run more than CoA without black skin effect and is used only for
maximum damage when strong fighters are fighting, it would be weird if CoA or CoO or CoC are unlimited in use kind of powers.

Maybe hardening is simply concentrating entire haki on skin ? Same haki but highly concentrated for strongest effect.
Rayleigh shown us that haki is like invisible armor that aura around his hand seems to be form of visualisation
of haki for us. Normally its invisible but with hardening it seems to become black shell on skin on arm/head/leg.

As we seen Whitebeard had observation haki at very high level - even in sleep he was able to stop Ace when latter attacked him, it was also said that it was always impossible to
land a hit on him, Squadro was shocked he managed to wound WB and even Marco commented that for WB it didnt mattered if enemy or presumed ally was attacking him, there
was no chance for any of them to land a hit on Whitebeard. I took it as indication of very strong CoO haki, perhaps that was Whitebeards color that he was talented in.
So maybe with a lot of time invisible haki is getting stronger to a point where there is almost no need to go for CoA hardening as just base CoA is close to it in strength and it has to be
used only when enemy goes for CoA- to counter fire with fire so to say.

Redx

In the datebook Deep Blue it is state that koka is advanced form of CoA, so it isn't just a visual effect.

Oh shit. For real? That pretty much confirms there being more advanced forms of Armament Haki that Rayleigh didn't mention.

airy-0

I got 2 questions and a theory for you guys about Zoro and his CoA.

Oda gave us in a SBS the haki spécialisation of the M3 and we clearly saw Luffy and Sanji use the haki they specialize in at a good level and multiple times:
-Luffy uses CoC at Shabaody , Fishman island (2 times) and Dressrosa
-Sanji uses CoO atPunk Hazard (2 times) and Dressrosa (2 times).

While the only time we clearly saw Zoro uses CoA was against Monet, so my question are:
-Do you think Zoro uses CoA other times? If yes, when?
-How strong do you think his CoA is?
Theory

I have a original theory on this theme, i think that Zoro ,since the TS, uses CoA every time (i mean the same way that Coby uses his CoO) and the only times he didn't uses it was when he cuts Monet in 2.
I think that because of this sentence on the datebook deep blue:

"__How to acquired haki? Awakened during fights: When a person is placed in fights where the mind and body are pushed to the limits, the ability that lies dormant will be awakened suddenly! Training is needed in order for the user to manipulate haki at ease."

I know that you gonna tell me that this definition apply to what happen to Coby but not Zoro and i'll ask you are you sure that Zoro never been in a situation "where the mind and body are pushed to the limits"? If you don't remember look a this:

! http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/50-485.0/compressed/onepiece_485_fh.17.jpg

Yeah, i think that Zoro awakened his CoA at this time but due to form of the CoA (it doesn't make voice appears in your mind) he was not aware of it.

Since Zoro learned to use both CoA and CoO back in his fight against Mr.1, I think we can assume that he can use at least CoA anywhere he deemed necessary. But in that fight we also saw that when Zoro didn't want to cut the leafs, his blade didn't cut it. Perhaps there is a way to not only sharpen his blade tip with CoA but to dull it when necessary.

Shadowgreed

Since Zoro learned to use both CoA and CoO back in his fight against Mr.1.

Wait, whaaaatt?

airy-0

@Shadowgreed:

Wait, whaaaatt?

He heard the "breath"(?) in everything around him, and knew how the rocks were moving and as well as where his katana was. Sounds like how Fujitora would feel the world with his CoO
Cutting Mr.1 = CoA

Shadowgreed

He heard the "breath"(?) in everything around him, and knew how the rocks were moving and as well as where his katana was. Sounds like how Fujitora would feel the world with his CoO
Cutting Mr.1 = CoA

Ummmm we still don't know what that was about (everything is just speculation) and cutting everything and anything is a reference to what his master told him, nothing to do with Haki. A swordsman choose what he wants to cut that's why the sword didn't cut the palm tree but cut the rock

madriano

@King:

It does help, but we've already seen instances of Haki being used without the hardening effect (Luffy grabbing Caesar for example).

But in this case we do know he's using because he's grabbing a Logia. No need for visual effect.

vagabond87