Two words for you wolfy and why Sabo is okay!
Brannigan's Law!
All i know is that my guts says maybe.
But sure, i guess Law became a little less obnoxious overtime. Could happen with Sabo too
Two words for you wolfy and why Sabo is okay!
Brannigan's Law!
All i know is that my guts says maybe.
But sure, i guess Law became a little less obnoxious overtime. Could happen with Sabo too
I don't understand the comparison of Sabo to Law, actually. He's confident, but not the type of confident Law was. It really comes across as more like "Luffy-confident", I also like that he's not suddenly a master of his fruit, like some have said. It's obvious he's not because he's still using his techniques rather than the fruit. Just seems a considerably more likeable Ace/Law to me, if there will be focus on more of his quirks or even the cute assistant relationship with Koala.
Being more likeable than Poochie is like the least hard thing you could attempt to do
^^^^ that's the newspaper.
Sabo has also facefaulted quite a bit so far. Just pointing that out.
Also, recently red the spoilers thread. Holy S H I T did people take Fuji's scene TOOOOO seriously.
No, really, I won't repeat the mantra "we're taking a pirates manga for teens too seriously" cause then we should never have any serious discussion in here, but, really, sometimes I think we've all forgotten that, in its core, One Piece is a comedy. An action comedy, an adventure comedy, with tons of melodrama here and there, yeah, but deep down, it's a comedy, and it's one of the few mangas that have never betrayed that principle by becoming "dark and serious" during its run.
That scene was a gag. It might rub you the wrong way, you might not find it funny, it might be an unsuccessful gag. . .but it's a gag in a comedy manga.
Get over it.
That scene was a gag. It might rub you the wrong way, you might not find it funny, it might be an unsuccessful gag. . .but it's a gag in a comedy manga.
Get over it.
Point taken, I suppose.
Being more likeable than Poochie is like the least hard thing you could attempt to do
He evolved past that with Marineford and the flashback. I actually grew to like him after he got his depth. Making the same complaints with a character that's been barely there and was actually hyped to be a badass kind of comes off as a giant leap to me.
He evolved past that with Marineford and the flashback. I actually grew to like him after he got his depth. Making the same complaints with a character that's been barely there and was actually hyped to be a badass kind of comes off as a giant assumption to me.
Emo Ace did not make it better for me.
It's like replacing pee with poop. Sure it's different but it ain't better.
But that's just me though
Emo Ace did not make it better for me.
It's like replacing pee with poop. Sure it's different but it ain't better.
But that's just me though
I really hate when the word "emo" is used. How dare characters be emotional when the people they care about are putting their lives on the risk! How dare they! I've seen the same shit with Usopp and even Luffy when Ace died. Awful. Especially with Marineford's ultimate message being that it's okay to cry, but you have to move forward.
I don't get the whole "Poochie = Ace" comparison, where did that come from?
AH I forgot about hat, thanks for adding it so I can= I fully retract my former statement of thinking its a empty barrel.
lol that would be funny. Its possible its IS a barrel…just not the one I thought.
my last guess is that when he dropped of caribou in G5 he was entitled to the "cash back" but Jinbei didn't want money but an apple or 2. So Yarisugi gave him a barrel of apples. (you know, too much )
Only Koala on the left.
Nice find
Also, from that panel it looks obviously like a war room. Could it be that at the time they were planning on an assault on Tequila Wolf or anywhere else in East Blue?
I don't get the whole "Poochie = Ace" comparison, where did that come from?
Clearly when a "powerful" character (defeated by Blackbeard and in custody and cuffs a lot of the time) gets focus they are stealing spotlight.
I really hate when the word "emo" is used. How dare characters be emotional when the people they care about are putting their lives on the risk! How dare they! I've seen the same shit with Usopp and even Luffy when Ace died. Awful. Especially with Marineford's ultimate message being that it's okay to cry, but you have to move forward.
That's awful. Those other two good moments shouldn't be lumped in with the emo Ace mess.
I don't get the whole "Poochie = Ace" comparison, where did that come from?
Both were seemingly created with the main purpose of being "cool"
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Nah as time goes on people just dislike emotions more and more. Ugh. Ace has a few moments when he's worried about the people he loves and then he's automatically emo. Why aren't Robin and Nami called that when a lot of their spotlight was basically moping around and being "emo". It's so dumb to me. Ace's situation isn't much different from Nami's and Robin's yet he gets the most shit for being "emo". He's not my favorite character, but after he was fleshed out I at least could understand why he was the way he was and consider him an actual character.
I think Law's actually the worst offender of the "cool" characters, he basically went on being a smug jerk for 50 chapters, but luckily that is slowly being fixed. Seems the moment the tears flow or facefaults show up is usually the moment I start liking a character.
You know what? I'm going to give Bastille some credit.
After rereading the chapter, I think he deserves some credit. Not in combat ability, but just for what he's doing. He's freaking telling his men to GTFO. Not his fault they won't listen. At least he's not trying to get them to fight a battle they can't help in at all.
And I'm going to cut Sabo a little slack on the speech because of the way it's followed up with Fuji just going "Ohoho, look at my meteor, wonder if it'll work." and Sabo just completely snaps out of bad ass mode to look up all freaked out "Whaa?".
That actually made me giggle on the reread. Weird how I missed it the first time.
All i know is that my guts says maybe.
But sure, i guess Law became a little less obnoxious overtime. Could happen with Sabo too
Oh, such a great show!
But seriously… I think (just speculation here) that from Oda's p.o.v. he's already given Sabo enough backstory and build up.
So, he's just letting the guy shine a little now that he's finally returned. I mean, the guy ran away from home, and set out to sea to get away from his parents, and don't forget how he gloriously failed at trying to do this. And I bet he wanted to go save Ace, but Dragon wouldn't let him get involved. So now, he's like, "this ain't happening again!!!"
Sabo had to live a life of subtle shadows in side panels for most of the story LOL!
I'll be honest, Sabo in this chapter, and in the previous one's, comes off to me as a douche that tries to be intimidating and badass, but just manages to be a douche. With just a little bit of being psychopath.
And I don't care how many pieces of equipment he is going to finger to death, it ain't going to change soon.
Both were seemingly created with the main purpose of being "cool"
Well we know Oda didn't pull Ace out of a hat at random so how should Luffy's older stronger brother have behaved to prevent the massive amount of scorn AP seems to have for him?
I'll be honest, Sabo in this chapter, and in the previous one's, comes off to me as a douche that tries to be intimidating and badass, but just manages to be a douche. With just a little bit of being psychopath.
And I don't care how many pieces of equipment he is going to finger to death, it ain't going to change soon.
I bet no one saw this reaction coming.
I'll be honest, Sabo in this chapter, and in the previous one's, comes off to me as a douche that tries to be intimidating and badass, but just manages to be a douche. With just a little bit of being psychopath.
And I don't care how many pieces of equipment he is going to finger to death, it ain't going to change soon.
I think that first piece came off in a douche way… the whole "My claws/talons will take power from the conceited!" quote. But I think his banter with Fuji was just confidence/character quirk. Ace and Luffy would never have talked that way to an admiral, Luffy wouldn't understand the banter, and Ace would've been the one to say "Let's just cut to the chase and fight."
And I honestly thought the way his smile went into full 180 frown when he crushed bastilles helmet was cool. As well as seeing Bastille's helmet floating in the fire... fire Bastille... now that gets the imagination running.
Nah as time goes on people just dislike emotions more and more. Ugh. Ace has a few moments when he's worried about the people he loves and then he's automatically emo.
No i think it was the endless whining about his dad and how they should just let him die that spawned this little treat
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It's been so long since this was posted. Feels almost nostalgic.
Why aren't Robin and Nami called that when a lot of their spotlight was basically moping around and being "emo". It's so dumb to me. Ace's situation isn't much different from Nami's and Robin's yet he gets the most shit for being "emo". He's not my favorite character, but after he was fleshed out I at least could understand why he was the way he was and consider him an actual character.
Probably helped that Nami and Robin were multi-faceted characters.
It's harder to care for a cardboard cutout
I bet no one saw this reaction coming.
Hey, I LIKED Sabo when he was a kid. Liked him a lot more then I do now, to be honest.
You know who does he remind me off right now? Rob Lucci, only with even LESS personality.
Hey, I LIKED Sabo when he was a kid. Liked him a lot more then I do now, to be honest.
You know who does he remind me off right now? Rob Lucci, only with even LESS personality.
Sabo showed more emotion in this one chapter than Lucci did in his entire manga life.
You can't be this blind, can you?
I just thought about it, what this thread would become if we would have a break right now
Hey, I LIKED Sabo when he was a kid. Liked him a lot more then I do now, to be honest.
You know who does he remind me off right now? Rob Lucci, only with even LESS personality.
Do I detect a hint of bitterness there Darth? :ninja:
I tried to warn you did I not about your expectations for this arc. I told you Sabo and Fujitora would cancel each other out, and there'd be no outcome.
I also told you that the 3000 marines and even the VA were no consideration.
One of your arguments is that the Marines don't come across threatening. I personally don't see how they don't. They're quite threatening IMO.
Either way, how can the readers take the revolutionary army as a credible threat to the Marines and WG if they can't produce fighters that can hold themselves up against admirals?
All these Colosseum people need to just quietly fade into the background. They were fun at first and interesting (back when we thought they'd be important), but all they seem to do now is take up pages and be wacky filler. Which I'm usually fine with, but this arc already has WAY too many players and plots going on and it needs to flow. I don't care about Cavendish or Hajrudin or the Happo people or Abdullah and Jeet; their gags are overdone at this point. They're just playing a more colorful version of the Franky Family.
As for Fujitora.. I'm giving him an ultimatum. If he doesn't outright defeat, or at least stalemate with Sabo, I'm completely writing him off as the most uselessly overhyped character to come along since Hyouzou. He's done absolutely nothing this whole arc. Although I think deep down we all know how this little confrontation is going to end: Something bigger will happen and distract them, effectively ending their fight and no one wins. Whoops.
That fight made little sense though. If Vergo is supposed to be a bit above Smoker (or at least, equals), and Law needed to use his brains against Smoker after he easily deflected Law's usual sword swings, Law one-shotting Vergo who, btw, KNEW all of Law's tricks (and, in fact, Law used his MOST basic attack: random slash!) without even using Heart Ripping technique was off in so many ways it's not even funny.
No, seriously, read the Smoker-Law fight again, then Smoker-Vergo and finally. . .Vergo-Law. Makes no sense.
I disagree. I think it makes sense if you consider Doflamingo's dialogue immediately before. Basically he said your ability won't work on him because your Haki is too weak. Vergo thinking that decided to just rush at Law not even thinking of evading because he didn't see the point because he thought his slash would do nothing. And he turned out to be wrong. If he had treated Law as an equal instead of a bitch he was going to wail on, the fight could have turned out different. But that was the point right? That the old generation needs to start treating the new generation seriously or they're gonna get their asses kicked.
Sabo showed more emotion in this one chapter than Lucci did in his entire manga life.
It's no use. He's in his zone. Sabo became the worst character ever the moment he stood in front of all those marines. I mean he's practically Ted Bundy. I see no distinction. I'm sure Darth doesn't either. Worst. Character. Ever.
Sabo is awesome
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No i think it was the endless whining about his dad and how they should just let him die that spawned this little treat
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It's been so long since this was posted. Feels almost nostalgic.
Probably helped that Nami and Robin were multi-faceted characters.
It's harder to care for a cardboard cutout
The endless whining which consisted of only mentioning it three times in the whole arc. No, seriously. Chapter 551, was where it was established and then in the flashback with the moment with Garp and Ace and then indirectly in chapter 573-574. All the other stuff was him freaking about his comerades putting their lifes on the line for him. It's just like the Vivi crying crap.
Either way, how can the readers take the revolutionary army as a credible threat to the Marines and WG if they can't produce fighters that can hold themselves up against admirals?
Spot on.
I'm sure Sabo's personality will develop as time passes. Like I said, he is here to stay and is going to be an important character further on in the story. You can't please everybody, some would hate a particular characters whilst others would love them. I also very much love his fighting style and can't wait to see what he'd be capable of doing once he masters the Mera-Mera powers.
Fuji's getting harder to grasp with each chapter. I think, though, he's supposed to be "Clumsy Justice". No, seriously, just look at all the clumsy scenes he's had so far. That's it, that's gotta be his shtick. With that mindset, he becomes much more enjoyable, even if his gag this chapter was bordering on dark humor.
I laughed so hard at that scene. Going back to what we discussed last week, Fujitoras actions and motivations are still "unclear" at best, but the Fujitora shown here? Bumbling, careless, Oh Noes I'm Not Used To This Whole Marine Thing Yet You Guys Fujitora? He's much more entertaining than ""Profound", serious and inscrutable" Fujitora.
And certainly preferable to the coldly empathyless "I will let Dressrosa become a burning pile of civilian corpses due to some vaguely defined plan to incriminate a man currently performing a nationwide massacre" Fujitora many posters were arguing existed.
That fight made little sense though. If Vergo is supposed to be a bit above Smoker (or at least, equals), and Law needed to use his brains against Smoker after he easily deflected Law's usual sword swings, Law one-shotting Vergo who, btw, KNEW all of Law's tricks (and, in fact, Law used his MOST basic attack: random slash!) without even using Heart Ripping technique was off in so many ways it's not even funny.
No, seriously, read the Smoker-Law fight again, then Smoker-Vergo and finally. . .Vergo-Law. Makes no sense.
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That aside? Both of his fights against Law and Vergo were decent on his end, he did pretty well, and we don't even know if he's weaker than Vergo since Oda decided to momentarily mentally handicap Smoker to the point of retardation by prefering to lose but save his honor with Law which. . .could've waited 5 minutes till his fight was over.
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Seriously, change the fight against Vergo and make it a Smoker victory through tons of suffering and hardships, and then let him lose against Dofla. Close defeat, close win and total defeat. Sounds fairer than close defeat, close defeat, total defeat.
I couldn't agree more. The whiplash of Smoker losing to Vergo was staggering; it went from Smoker landing a clean emotion-filled punch on Vergos face while yelling "Don't you fucking DARE HURT MY MEN YOU DISGRACE OF A MARINE!", with some sweetass fight choreography, to another snippet of Smoker pounding in Vergos face during a montage, to…Smoker gets downed in a single hit, as he basically lets Vergo strike him. Whuh? Where did this come from?
It's no use. He's in his zone. Sabo became the worst character ever the moment he stood in front of all those marines. I mean he's practically Ted Bundy. I see no distinction. I'm sure Darth doesn't either. Worst. Character. Ever.
Eh… A question. How in the hell did you missed my bitching at him after he got the fruit?
I've been calling Sabo a bad character long before he stood before any marines, let alone those.
If your gonna call me biased, at least do it right, dammit.
Also, adding to the whole Sabo is Ace 2.0 is Poochie discussion going on…Ace may have spent his last living moments -and thus last few years in the limelight- in the emotional gutter, but we shouldn't forget the Pre-war Ace. That guy was actually pretty fun! His introductory restaurant scene is AMAZING and shows off a ton of character, he leaves a really positive impression! He's good randomly appearing on Buggys ship, and even in his kinda slow-paced cover story, he just comes off as an enjoyable dude, and a three dimensional character to boot.
Eat-N-Run with a smile on his face, rashly kicking dr BB in the face, thrown into a river like a moron, covertly infiltrating a marine base, beating up people talking smack about WB, saving the lives of marines and helping out a little girl...That guy was legitimately cool, not forced cool.
Sabo, in other words, needs to be more of that^.
Do I detect a hint of bitterness there Darth? :ninja:
I tried to warn you did I not about your expectations for this arc. I told you Sabo and Fujitora would cancel each other out, and there'd be no outcome.
I also told you that the 3000 marines and even the VA were no consideration.
There is a difference between "no consideration" and "Sabo can break VA's sword with his bare hands and no effort while being smug about it".
And why do you think I'm bitter? Large part of those forums critised treatment of VA's before I even got home.
Nice feeling, btw, not being the only one who complains about it.
One of your arguments is that the Marines don't come across threatening. I personally don't see how they don't. They're quite threatening IMO.
Oh, that's interesting. Why post-timeskip Marines come across as threatening to you? I'm honestly curious. Explain it to me.
Either way, how can the readers take the revolutionary army as a credible threat to the Marines and WG if they can't produce fighters that can hold themselves up against admirals?
Quite simply: By working around them in creative ways.
But heaven forbid there was a faction in One Piece that's threatning by being smart, right?
@Daz:
Also, adding to the whole Sabo is Ace 2.0 is Poochie discussion going on…Ace may have spent his last living moments -and thus last few years in the limelight- in the emotional gutter, but we shouldn't forget the Pre-war Ace. That guy was actually pretty fun! His introductory restaurant scene is AMAZING and shows off a ton of character, he leaves a really positive impression! He's good randomly appearing on Buggys ship, and even in his kinda slow-paced cover story, he just comes off as an enjoyable dude, and a three dimensional character to boot.
Eat-N-Run with a smile on his face, rashly kicking dr BB in the face, thrown into a river like a moron, covertly infiltrating a marine base, beating up people talking smack about WB, saving the lives of marines and helping out a little girl...That guy was legitimately cool, not forced cool.
Sabo, in other words, needs to be more of that^.
Yes! This exactly! That was what I was thinking about as well, but the main reason why I started liking him as a character while I was indifferent about him was because his flaws were finally explored with Marineford and his character finally got some concrete limits, he's became a character not just to be "cool", but a legitimate character. You can see little quirks Sabo has being shown, but again, he's been barely there.
@Daz:
Also, adding to the whole Sabo is Ace 2.0 is Poochie discussion going on…Ace may have spent his last living moments -and thus last few years in the limelight- in the emotional gutter, but we shouldn't forget the Pre-war Ace. That guy was actually pretty fun! His introductory restaurant scene is AMAZING and shows off a ton of character, he leaves a really positive impression! He's good randomly appearing on Buggys ship, and even in his kinda slow-paced cover story, he just comes off as an enjoyable dude, and a three dimensional character to boot.
Eat-N-Run with a smile on his face, rashly kicking dr BB in the face, thrown into a river like a moron, covertly infiltrating a marine base, beating up people talking smack about WB, saving the lives of marines and helping out a little girl...That guy was legitimately cool, not forced cool.
Sabo, in other words, needs to be more of that^.
See, this guy knows what he is talking about. Ace, while having problems, had a lot more personality that Sabo does not.
And his appearence in Alabasta was short, and to the point, not "I'm going to solve every plot Luffy cannot". That works in his favor as well.
In retrospect, Oda should've just broken up the Marineford Ace grit with occasional glimmers of the old, likeable Ace, and noone would've had a problem.
The jury is still out on Sabo. He may still turn out fine.
@Daz:
In retrospect, Oda should've just broken up the Marineford Ace grit with occasional glimmers of the old, likeable Ace, and noone would've had a problem.
At the same time I dislike that his care for his crew and Luffy is seen as unlikeable. That's what a lot of his dialog was. I don't see a problem with that.
I still think it was a very bad move to use Smoker as a stepping stone for Law. Darth is right the marines have been losing relevance more and more especially if you consider the fact that next to the SH. They've been a constant presence in the series since day one.
Bastille survived the arc for so long I was really anticipating a redemption of vice admirals with him giving one of the SHs a run for their money but instead he jobs to fucking Sabo and doesn't act like he has any fighting acumen. I mean I expect that if you hunting down people in the new world you would know how to deal with a logia. You'd know how to counter or block but nope let me just swing this sword, watch it get smashed and then wait for him to come smash my face.
Did Abdullah and Jeet purposefully fall of Ucy? I can see the big one being hit but not the smaller one.
The jury is still out on Sabo. He may still turn out fine.
He most definetely can, but as a rule Oda usually introduces a characters major personality quirks straight off the bat. Of course, Sabo could be taken down some pegs by doing the Straight Man routine but…we already have Law for that.
I guess post-arc celebration, when Luffy and Sabo can hopefully finally get to talk, will be the decisive moment in terms of defining his personality.
To be fair, if I was about to be executed publicly just because my dad happened to be the most successful pirate ever, I'd be mopey too.
The jury is still out on Sabo. He may still turn out fine.
Oh, I agree. But that attitude severely limits our abilities to discuss anything One Piece related, doesn't it.
I fully concede that Sabo may turn out for the better.
But for the moment, he is an annoying douche that succedes way too much for a secondary character.
At the same time I dislike that his care for his crew and Luffy is seen as unlikeable. That's what a lot of his dialog was. I don't see a problem with that.
Its a perfectly fine aspect of his character, but It was mostly the repetition of it that wore people out in the end, I guess.
@Daz:
Its a perfectly fine aspect of his character, but It was mostly the repetition of it that wore people out in the end, I guess.
Yeah, probably. I guess. The "whiny" complaint for characters is just getting so annoying at this point. Especially if it justified given the circumstances the character is in. Y'know, the common complaints about Shinji Ikari and the like. A lot of the time characters have good reason to be that way.
Yeah, probably. I guess. The "whiny" complaint for characters is just getting so annoying at this point. Especially if it justified given the circumstances the character is in. Y'know, the common complaints about Shinji Ikari and the like. A lot of the time characters have good reason to be that way.
You lost me there though. At least if we're talking EoE Masturbation-Shinji.
@Daz:
You lost me there though. At least if we're talking EoE Masturbation-Shinji.
Hell no. Not EoE. Yes, it was framed as screwed up, but was still a little too much. Movie Shinji. I actually like movie Shinji and he's still "annoying" and "unlikeable". I don't particularly like him in the original series either, but that has nothing to do with how "annoying" he is or isn't, just the handling of his character and other problems the series has.
@Daz:
You lost me there though. At least if we're talking EoE Masturbation-Shinji.
Hey, Shinji is a very good example of a individual that is not healthy on mind.
Of course, that makes him unlikeable, but it is an excellent portrayl.