I love your OP art Kalei. <3 :steve: Especially the ones with Franky.
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Well I know the thread is old but since the mods kindly informed me of this thread I figured I'd repost my thoughts on the matter.
Now the first thing I want people to understand is that I don't hate Franky. In fact he's a character I rather like. However, I feel that many in the One Piece fandom are guessing too soon that Franky will be joining the Straw Hats when there's clearly no other evidence than the fact that he's fighting CP9. Well heck so's Paulie! So now I'd like to make a few points on why I feel it would be bad if Franky did join the Straw Hats.
Firstly if we look at the Straw Hat crew in general we see that each member has a unique fighting style and no two characters are EVER the same. Now when we look at Franky we can clearly see his fighting style is based off martial arts. Here's a question… why would we need another martial artist when we've already got Luffy? I would think that would be rather bland if we get two martial artists in the same crew. Whereas Paulie's rope action techniques are very original and unique to Paulie on his own. I feel that having characters who have their own original and unique fighting style that no one else uses is more Oda's style.
Secondly let's look at character interaction in general. I mean if Franky joined the Straw Hats wouldn't you be afraid that he'd become a bland character? I mean Franky really doesn't have any outstanding personality traits that would fit into the rowdy lifestyle of the Straw Hat crew. He'd most likely fade into the background and we'd rarely ever see him whereas he could at least still drive Iceburg nuts at Water 7. Whereas look at Paulie. He'd practically fit right in especially in regards to his views on women and such. Heck I can even see Paulie and Zoro complaining about Sanji's fawning over Nami and Robin. Who would Franky usually hang with? Usopp? Heck he's already got Luffy and Chopper around he doesn't need a third person hanging with him. I think Paulie would be a good change on things considering he'd probably interact with Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy more than Usopp and Chopper.
Thirdly let's not forget that Franky still has one thing Paulie doesn't have now... Nakama. Every single person who's joined Luffy has never had any Nakama or had some then lost them at some point. While Franky did have Tom and all that he still has all of Franky House as Nakama. Paulie has no one now since those whom he considered Nakama turned out to be the one's who shot Iceburg. Since Paulie basically has nothing really left to go back too at Water 7 it would make sense to see Iceburg allow Paulie to go with Luffy since the Straw Hat's need a shipwright.
These three things alone is my reason why Franky won't join the crew and really let's look at it logically these are the same reasons Bon Clay didn't join the crew either. Personally I feel that Franky will befriend the Straw Hat crew but not join them officially.
But then again this is just my view on things. What do you think?
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Firstly if we look at the Straw Hat crew in general we see that each member has a unique fighting style and no two characters are EVER the same. Now when we look at Franky we can clearly see his fighting style is based off martial arts. Here's a question… why would we need another martial artist when we've already got Luffy? I would think that would be rather bland if we get two martial artists in the same crew. Whereas Paulie's rope action techniques are very original and unique to Paulie on his own. I feel that having characters who have their own original and unique fighting style that no one else uses is more Oda's style.
Franky does have his style…he's a cyborg. Punches that shoot bullets and extend, while being made of steel, is unique only to him. If he fights with a "martial art," then it's an "Art of weapons" at least.
That's like saying "why do we need Sanji when Luffy already knows how to kick!"
It's not quite the same thing.Secondly let's look at character interaction in general. I mean if Franky joined the Straw Hats wouldn't you be afraid that he'd become a bland character? I mean Franky really doesn't have any outstanding personality traits that would fit into the rowdy lifestyle of the Straw Hat crew. He'd most likely fade into the background and we'd rarely ever see him whereas he could at least still drive Iceburg nuts at Water 7. Whereas look at Paulie. He'd practically fit right in especially in regards to his views on women and such. Heck I can even see Paulie and Zoro complaining about Sanji's fawning over Nami and Robin. Who would Franky usually hang with? Usopp? Heck he's already got Luffy and Chopper around he doesn't need a third person hanging with him. I think Paulie would be a good change on things considering he'd probably interact with Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy more than Usopp and Chopper.
Where are you looking? What about his interaction with all the crew so far? No outstanding traits? None? What about Franky's personality changes when you replace his cola? Maybe he could get into brief fights with Luffy (ala Zoro and Sanji) or interact with Ussop when repairing the boat.
Thirdly let's not forget that Franky still has one thing Paulie doesn't have now… Nakama. Every single person who's joined Luffy has never had any Nakama or had some then lost them at some point. While Franky did have Tom and all that he still has all of Franky House as Nakama. Paulie has no one now since those whom he considered Nakama turned out to be the one's who shot Iceburg. Since Paulie basically has nothing really left to go back too at Water 7 it would make sense to see Iceburg allow Paulie to go with Luffy since the Straw Hat's need a shipwright.
These three things alone is my reason why Franky won't join the crew and really let's look at it logically these are the same reasons Bon Clay didn't join the crew either. Personally I feel that Franky will befriend the Straw Hat crew but not join them officially.
But then again this is just my view on things. What do you think?
He still has tilestone and that other guy, as well as Iceberg himself! Paulie learned how to be a shipwright from Iceberg remember? Also, Paulie is still in charge of all those "no-name" carpenters (100s), the ones that tried to defend Iceberg from assassination at Water 7.
Paulie is far from having nothing. Also, keep in mind that some of the current crew members had nakama before joining the crew. Nami had her town, Ussop had his town and crew, and Sanji had his Baratie.
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To Aethos:
Concerning Franky's style: I find it to be more like grappling than it is martial arts. Just look at his fight with Fukurou - mostly grabs, throws, and smashes with some heavy hits as opposed to combo-tastic Luffy or Sanji.Concerning the point about "Nakama": What about Sanji? He had the entire Baratie, and he left them behind.
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Ahhh, I like both characters, Aetos has a really good argument talking about the chances of Pauly joining, but I still would love it Franky joined, since he would fit as … somesort of musician and as a shipwright, but Pauly would be as awsome as Franky in my opinion.
That leaves me no choice but to wait :happy:
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Franky does have his style…he's a cyborg. Punches that shoot bullets and extend, while being made of steel, is unique only to him. If he fights with a "martial art," then it's an "Art of weapons" at least.
But it's still just punching and kicking. It's not exactly unique or a style all his own. It's practically just a cyborg version of Luffy's style of using martial arts.
Where are you looking? What about his interaction with all the crew so far? No outstanding traits? None?
Well besides getting over emotional at times what exactly outstanding personality traits does he possess. I mean would you really want to see Franky getting over emotional about every little thing?
He still has tilestone and that other guy, as well as Iceberg himself! Paulie learned how to be a shipwright from Iceberg remember?
Well Franky has all of Franky house and Iceberg. Paulie's a loner now and a lot of people will say that about Paulie no less. Heck Sanji DID have Zeff but he still left considering. I can't see why Iceberg wouldn't pull the same thing on Paulie just so Paulie could leave of his own free will. Besides there's no real reason for Franky to join. I would think it'd be hard for Franky to just leave everything and go whereas it would be easier for Paulie to do that.
To Aethos:
Concerning Franky's style: I find it to be more like grappling than it is martial arts. Just look at his fight with Fukurou - mostly grabs, throws, and smashes with some heavy hits as opposed to combo-tastic Luffy or Sanji.Concerning the point about "Nakama": What about Sanji? He had the entire Baratie, and he left them behind.
But Robin's already a grappling and submission expert so that still wouldn't make Franky's style original compared to Paulie's
and well really as for Sanji. Zeff was the only one he really considered Nakama on Baratie. Yet he understood Zeff wanted him to fulfill both their dreams. Whereas Franky doesn't have that sort of bond with anyone.
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Firstly if we look at the Straw Hat crew in general we see that each member has a unique fighting style and no two characters are EVER the same. Now when we look at Franky we can clearly see his fighting style is based off martial arts. Here's a question… why would we need another martial artist when we've already got Luffy?
Don't you mean Sanji?
Oh wait…shit...there's already 2 martial artists on board. I mean hell, you mention this as a reason Bon Clay couldn't join further down, and his style is basically the same as Sanji's so you had to know this one was crap already.
Not to mention that while Franky's fighting style does use some martial arts, its hardly anywhere near accurate to say its all martial arts. He uses his body, and all its modifications in weird and wonderful ways. Things like his boomerang sideburns, tracker bullets, centaur mode, coup de vent/poo lend him a lot of originality even if he does use punches a lot.
The punches are basically the bread and butter of his fighting style, but in Frankys case, its not the plain jane stuff that makes his fights fun, its all the extravagent ingredients you add in on top off it that make it fun and interesting to watch. Franky is basically and endlessly customisable character in this regard, so his style will never really get old.
Secondly let's look at character interaction in general. I mean if Franky joined the Straw Hats wouldn't you be afraid that he'd become a bland character? I mean Franky really doesn't have any outstanding personality traits that would fit into the rowdy lifestyle of the Straw Hat crew.
Not at all. If he joins he has several already potrayed personality traits that could lend humour to the show, and the others could play off.
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His propensity to walk around in nothing but a speedo.
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His love of singing and crying at the most inappropriate times.
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Differant drinks affecting him in differant ways.
Yea, I think the rest of the crew could play off all this and especially add to the Luffy, Usopp and Chopper comedy act, and adding a new dynamic to it. Just like Luffy impersonates differant crew members occasionally, I could see Franky going for laughs by experimenting with differant drinks to see what they do to him and such.
Not to mention this is just the character traits we know of so far. Its entirely possible Oda has other traits in mind we have yet to see. Like Chopper. His propensity for believing every little one of Usopps lies wasn't revealed till after Drum if I'm not mistaken.
So yea, I have no fear on this count if he does join.
Thirdly let's not forget that Franky still has one thing Paulie doesn't have now… Nakama. Every single person who's joined Luffy has never had any Nakama or had some then lost them at some point.
You mean besides Usopp?
Oh, and Sanji.
And lets not forget Chopper.
And you could possibly count Nami in here as well if you want to get pedantic.
But yea, basic point - this is complete and utter crap. Someone else has pointed out that because Frankies secret identity as Cutty Flam is now out, and he played such a prominent role in the attack on Enies Lobby he will be endangering the Franky Families lives by staying with them, and possibly all of Water 7, and I have to agree.
While Oda may just ignore this, its an easy option to use as a reason for him to leave. Not to mention his dream of building a ship that will sail the ocean is as well.
I can quite easily see the Franky Family joining up with Galley-La and becoming a special dismantling sub-division of the company, with Zambai as the head of the division personally. The only thing I have some trouble imagining is Franky leaving Mizu and Kiwi (is that their names?), the squarehead twins behind to be honest.
Now having said that, I won't be to broken up if Paulie joins instead of him because I think he to has a lot of potential in all regards, as you pointed out. I just think you happen to be wrong in every single point you made to support your theory, and that that needed to be pointed out.
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wow, what an old thread for an old (and almost over.. sigh) topic.
Oh, BTW:
Well heck so's Paulie!
No he's not. He's tied up with the other members of the Junkyard Gang
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I do not believe Franky will join. I WANT him to, but I have a feeling he won't join.
First of all, Franky has had a lot of screentime in this arc. He's had just as many battles as Nami has had in the entire series in just one arc. This leads me to believe that Oda is giving Franky his ass-kicking fest in this arc because he won't appear again.
Second, Franky has a dream, and a flashback, yes, but his dream isn't something he would need to go on an adventure for. In fact, he may have spent the 200 mil on his dream ship (Which I assume he'll give to the SH's.)
Third, Luffy doesn't like Franky. While this may change, I don't think Luffy is such a nice guy that he would forgive Franky right away after he stole their money and beat up Usopp.
There's also the matter of the Franky Family, and Franky isn't the kind of guy who would abandon his nakama like that.
Anyway, that's my opinion. I predict that Franky will build the new ship, and somebody else will join. Maybe Paulie, but I don't really think it looks too good for him either. Somebody posted a theory that the next crewmate would be Merry's klabautermann, and I think that's a pretty plausible theory.
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I really want to have franky become a member of the stawhats, otherwise I will be dissapointed, I don't like paulie for some reason.
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But it's still just punching and kicking. It's not exactly unique or a style all his own. It's practically just a cyborg version of Luffy's style of using martial arts.
Uh no it's not just punching and kicking. I don't think we've ever seen him kick. He uses a lot of punches, as well as firearms and a f…ing air cannon, not to mention some mixed martial arts inspired tactics with his Franky Centauros transformation, as well as dirty yakuza-like tactics. He has a unique fighting style.
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I mean Franky really doesn't have any outstanding personality traits that would fit into the rowdy lifestyle of the Straw Hat crew.
The guy IS a rowdy, how could he not fit in with the strawhats?
And his fighting style isn't even remotely close to any member among the SH crew, are you serious when you say he is similar to Luffy?
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Exactly, I don't see how Franky would fit in less than Pauley or anyone else. And he doesn't need to "hang" around anyone, notice how Nami, Robin, Sanji (except when it comes to Nami/Robin), and Zoro keep to themselves.
He said Pauley doesn't have any comrades, but he has Iceburg, Lulu, Tileston, and the Galley-La Company… Not to mention it's a moot point, since Usopp, Sanji, Nami, and Chopper left behind people that were important to them.
I think this is just another Pauley fan looking for any reason to say Franky isn't qualified, ignoring whatever points are inconvenient.
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Don't you mean Sanji?
Oh wait…shit...there's already 2 martial artists on board. I mean hell, you mention this as a reason Bon Clay couldn't join further down, and his style is basically the same as Sanji's so you had to know this one was crap already.
Not to mention that while Franky's fighting style does use some martial arts, its hardly anywhere near accurate to say its all martial arts. He uses his body, and all its modifications in weird and wonderful ways. Things like his boomerang sideburns, tracker bullets, centaur mode, coup de vent/poo lend him a lot of originality even if he does use punches a lot.
Sanji's not really a martial artist though… His style is more based on foot boxing that's far different from martial arts. So it doesn't make that argument invalid. Foot boxing is original to Sanji as Martial arts are to Luffy. After all you don't see Luffy fighting with only his feet.
Not at all. If he joins he has several already potrayed personality traits that could lend humour to the show, and the others could play off.
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His propensity to walk around in nothing but a speedo.
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His love of singing and crying at the most inappropriate times.
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Differant drinks affecting him in differant ways.
Yea, I think the rest of the crew could play off all this and especially add to the Luffy, Usopp and Chopper comedy act. Just like Luffy impersonates differant crew members occasionally, I could see Franky going for laughs by experimenting with differant drinks to see what they do to him for and such.
So yea, I have no fear on this count if he does join.
You mean besides Usopp?
Oh, and Sanji.
And Chopper.
And you could possibly count Nami in here as well if you want to get pedantic.
But I don't think there needs to be more to the Usopp/Chopper/Luffy comedy act. Why not have someone who can interact with Zoro and Sanji more? Heck Zoro and Sanji interact more with each other than anyone else it would be good to have someone new they could interact with on a regular basis as well.
But yea, basic point - this is complete and utter crap. Someone else has pointed out that because Frankies secret identity as Cutty Flam is now out, and he played such a prominent role in the attack on Enies Lobby he will be endangering the Franky Families lives by staying with them, and possibly all of Water 7, and I have to agree.
While Oda may just ignore this, its an easy option to use as a reason for him to leave. Not to mention his dream of building a ship that will sail the ocean is as well.
But since Iceberg is connected to Cutty Flam aka Franky wouldn't Iceberg be in just as much danger? That doesn't mean he's going to join the Straw Hat's though. I think people just assume too quick that just because Franky was in a fight against CP9 while Paulie wasn't that Franky is obviously the one who will join when there's no real proof to that. Heck Oda found a way to keep Vivi from joining and she was a prominant fighter against Barouque Works. The same could be said about how Oda was able to get rid of Bon Clay.
I can quite easily see the Franky Family joining up with Galley-La and becoming a special dismantling sub-division of the company, with Zambai as the head of the division personally. The only thing I have some trouble imagining is Franky leaving Mizu and Kiwi (is that their names?), the squarehead twins behind to be honest.
Now having said that, I won't be to broken up if Paulie joins instead of him because I think he to has a lot of potential in all regards, as you pointed out. I just think you happen to be wrong in every single point you made, and that that needed to be pointed out.
And I feel I'm right in many of my points. Maybe you should say that you just don't agree with what I think. I think Oda may just pull another Vivi with Franky and have them leave on friendly terms and promises of seeing each other again. I can even see Franky and Iceberg becoming partners so there I can't see any reason for Franky to leave.
@Cap'n:
Exactly, I don't see how Franky would fit in less than Pauley or anyone else. And he doesn't need to "hang" around anyone, notice how Nami, Robin, Sanji (except when it comes to Nami/Robin), and Zoro keep to themselves.
He said Pauley doesn't have any comrades, but he has Iceburg, Lulu, Tileston, and the Galley-La Company… Not to mention it's a moot point, since Usopp, Sanji, Nami, and Chopper left behind people that were important to them.
I think this is just another Pauley fan looking for any reason to say Franky isn't qualified, ignoring whatever points are inconvenient.
Not at all. I like Franky's character and I wouldn't mind if he did join but I think people are just jumping to conclusions too fast instead of looking at it from a logical standpoint.
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Sanji's not really a martial artist though… His style is more based on foot boxing that's far different from martial arts. So it doesn't make that argument invalid. Foot boxing is original to Sanji as Martial arts are to Luffy. After all you don't see Luffy fighting with only his feet.
Uh, yes it is. Martial arts are an organized method of fighthing utilizing the body's strength, occasionally supplemented by weapons (technically, Zoro is a martial artist).
For some reason I don't really see Luffy as a martial artist, but meh. I always saw Sanji as the crew's martial arts man. I mean, look who he fights against: Kurobi, Bon Clay, and Wanze.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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@Cap'n:
Uh, yes it is. Martial arts are an organized method of fighthing utilizing the body's strength, occasionally supplemented by weapons (technically, Zoro is a martial artist).
For some reason I don't really see Luffy as a martial artist, but meh. I always saw Sanji as the crew's martial arts man. I mean, look who he fights against: Kurobi, Bon Clay, and Wanze.
Wasn't it Zoro who commented on Luffy being a martial artist when he and Luffy had their little fight in Whiskey Peak when he stated "let's see which is better swords or martial arts."
whereas Sanji's more of a kick boxer. To me that's two different fighting styles.
Sure it might be to you but I'm going on how each character has their own unique fighting style. After all no one else on the crew fights with their feet like Sanji. No one uses his fists like Luffy, no one uses swords like Zoro, etc.
I don't see why it's so bad to feel that Paulie has more chance of joining than Franky. I'm not being biased or anything I'm just looking at things differently from you.
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If Sanji isn't a martial artist, there's no way in hell Franky is. Plus, Luffy and Franky do fight completely differently, and Franky fights differently from anyone we've seen before - His three cola limit. Franky takes elements of fighting from each Straw Hat and blends them together for a kickass combination.
Also, hasn't anyone else noticed that Paulie, Kohza, and Wiper, minus the really big character quirks, are identical in character? Paulie is too cookie-cutter to join the Mugiwara. And the fact that the last thing we saw him do was like 3 chapters ago and all it was was say "Hot damn, I'm stuck in some ropes" doesn't do much to add to his character.
Who says Franky won't party with Sanji and Zoro? He hasn't really gotten the chance yet, so we don't really know if he would. He seemed to get along with Sanji well, and no one really jokes around with Zoro - they mostly just piss him off. The problem with Paulie is that he's just another badass. Too many and it gets off-balance. We only need one resident badass with a quirk, and that's Zoro, thank you.
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Sanji's not really a martial artist though…
So only punching is regarded as martial arts in your book? :huh:
Look man, I know what you're trying to say, that his style is similiar to Luffy, you just need to drop how you're wording it. Saying Luffy's the only martial artist on board is utter tripe at the end of the day. Any formalized way of fighting can basically be regarded as a martial art - be it with punches, swords, kicks, whatever.
As to his style being to similiar to Luffy, well, loads of people have raised points to show how differant it is (that you've thus far ignored to comment on I might add). Yea, he uses a lot of punches, and so does Luffy, but so what? You might as well complain about Chopper if you're going to continue on this train of though - I mean he punches a hell of a lot at the end of the day right? The only differance is he uses hooves instead of fists, but thats just semantics. Bottom line - this argument just doesn't make any sense.
The only similiarity in their style is that they use punches, but everything else is completely differant at the end of the day, and its the differances that are important, not the similiarities.
EDIT: To add that I agree here with Capn' Carter. If anyone you mentioned isn't a martial artists its Luffy. He's more of a brawler in my book.
But I don't think there needs to be more to the Usopp/Chopper/Luffy comedy act. Why not have someone who can interact with Zoro and Sanji more?
Robin?
Yea, she hasn't before, but she never really felt, or acted like a proper crewmember before because she didn't hold herself as one. After this arc I believe that will start to change. Yea, she won't jump in on their fights, she'll be more akin to how Nami interacts with them - as an outsider looking at their fights with humour, spurring Sanji on in his ero-cook mode etc.
As for whether Luffy, Usopp and Chopper need someone new. You say they don't, but without seeing how they act together, how do you know whether adding another member to it is a good thing or not?
But since Iceberg is connected to Cutty Flam aka Franky wouldn't Iceberg be in just as much danger?
No, for the same reason as has already been pointed out in the show itself - Iceburg has basically made himself invaluable to the World Goverment as a shipbuilder and such.
Yea, CP9 still went after him, but that was under exceptional circumstances, and I rather think he'll be fine from here on in personally. Especially being as he is know by them to no longer have the plans to the weapon etc.
That doesn't mean he's going to join the Straw Hat's though
Of course it doesn't. I never said he would, I'm only trying to point out what I see wrong with your reasons for why he WON'T join, not give reasons why he WILL.
EDIT: Though I do give some further on in this post.
I think people just assume too quick that just because Franky was in a fight against CP9 while Paulie wasn't that Franky is obviously the one who will join when there's no real proof to that.
Yea, this is one good reason in his favour, but there are several others.
- He has a dream. Yea, as you said, maybe its done already, but since there's only been a few days since he left at most by the time this arc is over, its more probable that only part of the ship is done, if any, and he'll join to finish it as they go along - constantly modifying it with Usopps help to make it better so that it can reach the end of the Grand Line, just like the Ororo Jackson.
However I honestly don't think what he spent the money on was a ship, I think they'll end up taking a span new, top of the line one from Iceburg.
- He's ingratiated himself well with every member of the crew at this stage bar Luffy and Zoro. Not just in terms of fighting, but by letting them see the real him, and getting into wacky comedy hijinks with them etc.
What has Paulie done in this regard? Yea, he joined up with Luffy, but thats about it really.
- He had a long, engaging, and most importantly tragic flashback. (psst…Vivi's wasn't tragic. It was her present that was, not her past).
Actually, thats all I can think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure other Franky fans will jump at the chance to add others for your consideration.
Heck Oda found a way to keep Vivi from joining and she was a prominant fighter against Barouque Works.
She was? When exactly out of interest?
The same could be said about how Oda was able to get rid of Bon Clay.
Not really, Bon Clay only managed to do one of the three things that I at least have pointed out as a reason for why its probable he will join - have wacky hijinks with them. He never shared a dream, never had a flashback, and never fought in a serious manner on their side.
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If Sanji isn't a martial artist, there's no way in hell Franky is. Plus, Luffy and Franky do fight completely differently, and Franky fights differently from anyone we've seen before - His three cola limit. Franky takes elements of fighting from each Straw Hat and blends them together for a kickass combination.
Also, hasn't anyone else noticed that Paulie, Kohza, and Wiper, minus the really big character quirks, are identical in character? Paulie is too cookie-cutter to join the Mugiwara. And the fact that the last thing we saw him do was like 3 chapters ago and all it was was say "Hot damn, I'm stuck in some ropes" doesn't do much to add to his character.
Who says Franky won't party with Sanji and Zoro? He hasn't really gotten the chance yet, so we don't really know if he would. He seemed to get along with Sanji well, and no one really jokes around with Zoro - they mostly just piss him off. The problem with Paulie is that he's just another badass. Too many and it gets off-balance. We only need one resident badass with a quirk, and that's Zoro, thank you.
Doesn't it get tiring if there are too many funny guys like Luffy, Usopp, and Chopper too? I mean you'd have to say that if you're going to say "we only need one badass."
Not to mention Sanji's a badass which is why he does interact well with Zoro. I can't see why one more badass wouldn't be a bad thing. I mean we have three funny guys, Nami and Robin who are the most sane and then Sanji and Zoro the resident badasses. Having another funny guy in there would put things more off balance than putting a badass in there.
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I think Franky's a badass, but in the same vein as Takamura from Hajime no Ippo. Takamura is incredibly goofy, perverted, and buffoonish outside of the ring, but when he steps into the ring there's no one more fearsome and terrifying.
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Franky will join period.
lol dont flame me in a couple of months if it isn t true dough lol
OK SERIOUS now:
I think and I want Franky to join and there are more logical explanations for that then for Paulies
but I m afraid for only one point:
you see Tom was the best carpenter in the world and he met Gold D Roger
but he didn t join him why??
because it was not needed, he only needed to built the boat not to repair it.
and so I m afraid that Franky will chose the path his senpai chosed
and just build a marvelous boat and let someone else (in this case Paulie) join the MugiwarasThats the only and just the only thing that can be in favor to Paulie
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Not at all. I like Franky's character and I wouldn't mind if he did join but I think people are just jumping to conclusions too fast instead of looking at it from a logical standpoint.
That's rich. Sorry mate, but everything from a "logical standpoint" points to Franky joining. Luffy's drawing, the fact he had a flashback, the fact he has a dream, that he's fighting alongside them, that he interacted with every Strawhats bar Luffy… There's way more "logical" arguments supporting the theory of him joining than the contrary.
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So only punching is regarded as martial arts in your book? :huh:
Look man, I know what you're trying to say, that his style is similiar to Luffy, you just need to drop how you're wording it. Saying Luffy's the only martial artist on board is utter tripe at the end of the day.
As to his style being to similiar to Luffy, well, loads of people have raised points to show how differant it is. Yea, he uses a lot of punches, and so does Luffy, but so what? You might as well complain about Chopper if you're going to continue on this train. It just doesn't make any sense.
The only similiarity in their style is that they use punches, but everything else is completely differant at the end of the day, and its the differances that are important, not the similiarities.
I'm not saying that only punching qualifies as being a martial art but it's somthing that martial arts usually associate with. Would you rather I say Luffy's fighting style is more like boxing? Luffy uses both his fist and feet when fighting that's why I consider him a martial artist.
Whereas I don't consider Sanji one since his style is more derived from kick boxing. He doesn't really fit the mold of a martial artist the way Luffy does. That's why I say they have different fighting styles.
But yeah I'm saying that Franky's fighting style is too identical to Luffy's and that's where I think Paulie comes off as more original since his rope action isn't identical to any other straw hat's fighting style. That's why I feel it's one of the reasons Paulie has more of a chance of joining.
Robin?
Yea, she hasn't before, but she never really felt, or acted like a proper crewmember before because she didn't hold herself as one. After this arc I believe that will start to change. Yea, she won't jump in on their fights, she'll be more akin to how Nami interacts with them - as an outsider looking at their fights with humour, spurring Sanji on in his ero-cook mode etc.
As for whether Luffy, Usopp and Chopper need someone new. You say they don't, but without seeing how they act together, how do you know whether adding another member to it is a good thing or not?
Because I feel like there's no need for four funny men, two badasses, and two outsiders looking in. I think it would be more balanced having three badasses, three funny men, and two outsiders looking in.
No, for the same reason as has already been pointed out in the show itself - Iceburg has basically made himself invaluable to the World Goverment as a shipbuilder and such.
Yea, CP9 still went after him, but that was under exceptional circumstances, and I rather think he'll be fine from here on in personally.
But who's to say Spandam won't spill the beans in the end? After all heh could tell the World Government that Iceberg conspired with Cutty Flam against the World Government. Who would they believe then? Spandam or Iceberg?
That doesn't mean he's going to join the Straw Hat's though
Of course it doesn't. I never said he would, I'm only trying to point out what I see wrong with your reasons for why he WON'T join, not give reasons why he will.Yea, this is one good reason in his favour, but there are several others.
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He has a dream. Yea, as you said, maybe its done already, but since there's only been a few days since he left at most by the time this arc is over, its more probable that only part of the ship is done, if any, and he'll join to finish it as they go along - constantly modifying it with Usopps help to make it better so that it can reach the end of the Grand Line, just like the Ororo Jackson.
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He's ingratieted himself well with every member of the crew at this stage bar Luffy and Zoro. Not just in terms of fighting, but by letting them see the real him, and getting into wacky comedy hijinks with them etc.
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He had a long, engaging, and most importantly tragic flashback. (psst…Vivi's wasn't tragic. It was her present that was, not her past).
Actually, thats all I can think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure other Franky fans will jump at the chance to add others for your consideration.
Wasn't Wiper's past just as tragic though? Yet HE didn't join the straw hat's.
But you point out something else too. The fact that Luffy doesn't really like Franky. Usually he has to like someone and pester them about joining him. I don't think he'd do that with Franky after all the things he's done.
She was? When exactly out of interest?
Hey I'm just saying she didn't just stay in the background while everyone else fought. She did her share of fighting too.
Not really, Bon Clay only managed to do one of the three things that I at least have pointed out as a reason for why its probable he will join - have wacky hijinks with them. He never shared a dream, never had a flashback, and never fought in a serious manner on their side.
Except that the only way to get rid of Bon Clay was to have him "sacrifice himself" to save the Straw Hats and most of them kinda liked Bon Clay to begin with.
Also wasn't that whole Okama way thing his dream?
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Doesn't it get tiring if there are too many funny guys like Luffy, Usopp, and Chopper too? I mean you'd have to say that if you're going to say "we only need one badass."
Not to mention Sanji's a badass which is why he does interact well with Zoro. I can't see why one more badass wouldn't be a bad thing. I mean we have three funny guys, Nami and Robin who are the most sane and then Sanji and Zoro the resident badasses. Having another funny guy in there would put things more off balance than putting a badass in there.
Here's the thing, though: Badasses are badasses. That's that. Game over, man! If you're a true badass, you have a set reaction set to things. Badasses are very hard to change the character of too much without them being badass anymore.
Sanji is NOT a badass. Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite Mugiwara, but he's more like the guy that tries really hard to be a badass, but fails miserably too often. He's goofy at times, too. Whereas Paulie is really always serious, like Zoro.
Saying that Usopp, Chopper, and Luffy are just "funny" is saying they are the same person. Is this true? No, they are funny in different ways. Usopp lies and tells stories, while overall being a coward in a funny way. Luffy is stupid. Chopper is gullible and cute. Tell me this with a straight face: Is Franky any of these things? Franky tries very hard to be a tough guy - just look at his "I'm not crying!" mode. However, he often fails. In this way, Franky is a crazier Sanji, seriousness-wise. His character is just plain more detailed than Paulie, too - Paulie has that one MEGA-FLAW of "Oh noes, she is nekkid!", and that's pretty much it. Oh, and he gambles. But… That's all. All the rest is, as I said before, basically just Wiper and Kohza.
Franky tries very hard to be tough, as previously stated. He's also overly emotional at times. He is a good father (look at him and the Franky Family). He is a complete goofball at times. He's a show-off. He has a very high opinion of himself (The Underground King of Water 7?). He plays the guitar. And he has a dream.
We know all this about Franky in the little time we've met him. But what do we know about Paulie? Not much. Does that mean there isn't a lot to learn? Of course not. We just haven't been told it. Which means either A) It's a mystery, B) Oda's forgotten which one is Franky and which one is Paulie, or C) We don't need to know because it's not important. And I'm guessing it's C.
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Can I vote Kaku? ~_~
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Hey how come there are so many that want the rope guy to join, but nobody wants Zambai to join the mugiwara. at the moment they are at the same level of the background. They are both the first mates of Tom's disiples. They were both seen in Franky's flashback. They both fought Baskerville. ect.
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Hey, for a while I thought it'd be kind of cool for Zambai the join. I mean, he did reach the same level of Pauley in terms of importance, and he had a few cool moments in the courtyard battles.
But then Franky stepped up the gear and started kicking ass left and right.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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@Cap'n:
Hey, for a while I thought it'd be kind of cool for Zambai the join. I mean, he did reach the same level of Pauley in terms of importance, and he had a few cool moments in the courtyard battles.
But then Franky stepped up the gear and started kicking ass left and right.
Amen….
But if it can't be Franky, it would be cool if it were Zambai...
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But you point out something else too. The fact that Luffy doesn't really like Franky. Usually he has to like someone and pester them about joining him. I don't think he'd do that with Franky after all the things he's done.
Look how fast Luffy accepted Robin in his crew despite the fact she was part of the organization his nakamas fought against. He's not the type to hold a grudge.
Usually he has to like someone and pester them about joining him. I don't think he'd do that with Franky after all the things he's done.
All the things he's done? Like what, helping save Robin, saving Chopper's life, protecting Merry, befriending half the crew?
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But yeah I'm saying that Franky's fighting style is too identical to Luffy's and that's where I think Paulie comes off as more original since his rope action isn't identical to any other straw hat's fighting style. That's why I feel it's one of the reasons Paulie has more of a chance of joining.
Too identical? Are you listening? Luffy cannot:
-Shoot fire out of his mouth.
-Separate his fist from his arm via a chain.
-Shoot bullets out fo his left arm
-Shoot hyper air bullet
-Possess a front body made of steel, making him immune to some attacks, like bullets and ranykaku.
-Punch with a pure metal fist.
-Shoot nails out of his mouth.
-Shoot bullets from his knuckles and shoulders.
-Separate his legs for a "centaur mode"
-Is the only cola-powered cyborg….ever.
-Wears a speedo
-Shoot powerful wind out of his ass.And...
possibly upgrade and modify his body to add new weapons and possible replace others.
EDIT: I've had to go back and update this list a few times.
I won't argue that Paulie has a unique style...but I see Franky as unique himself. As for the "martial art" thing, if you take away all these weapons then yes, Franky is a boxer. But, he has these weapons and you really shouldn't ignore them.
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Well I know the thread is old but since the mods kindly informed me of this thread I figured I'd repost my thoughts on the matter.
Now the first thing I want people to understand is that I don't hate Franky. In fact he's a character I rather like. However, I feel that many in the One Piece fandom are guessing too soon that Franky will be joining the Straw Hats when there's clearly no other evidence than the fact that he's fighting CP9. Well heck so's Paulie! So now I'd like to make a few points on why I feel it would be bad if Franky did join the Straw Hats.
Firstly if we look at the Straw Hat crew in general we see that each member has a unique fighting style and no two characters are EVER the same. Now when we look at Franky we can clearly see his fighting style is based off martial arts. Here's a question… why would we need another martial artist when we've already got Luffy? I would think that would be rather bland if we get two martial artists in the same crew. Whereas Paulie's rope action techniques are very original and unique to Paulie on his own. I feel that having characters who have their own original and unique fighting style that no one else uses is more Oda's style.
Secondly let's look at character interaction in general. I mean if Franky joined the Straw Hats wouldn't you be afraid that he'd become a bland character? I mean Franky really doesn't have any outstanding personality traits that would fit into the rowdy lifestyle of the Straw Hat crew. He'd most likely fade into the background and we'd rarely ever see him whereas he could at least still drive Iceburg nuts at Water 7. Whereas look at Paulie. He'd practically fit right in especially in regards to his views on women and such. Heck I can even see Paulie and Zoro complaining about Sanji's fawning over Nami and Robin. Who would Franky usually hang with? Usopp? Heck he's already got Luffy and Chopper around he doesn't need a third person hanging with him. I think Paulie would be a good change on things considering he'd probably interact with Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy more than Usopp and Chopper.
Thirdly let's not forget that Franky still has one thing Paulie doesn't have now... Nakama. Every single person who's joined Luffy has never had any Nakama or had some then lost them at some point. While Franky did have Tom and all that he still has all of Franky House as Nakama. Paulie has no one now since those whom he considered Nakama turned out to be the one's who shot Iceburg. Since Paulie basically has nothing really left to go back too at Water 7 it would make sense to see Iceburg allow Paulie to go with Luffy since the Straw Hat's need a shipwright.
These three things alone is my reason why Franky won't join the crew and really let's look at it logically these are the same reasons Bon Clay didn't join the crew either. Personally I feel that Franky will befriend the Straw Hat crew but not join them officially.
But then again this is just my view on things. What do you think?
Personally i feel that your argument here is weak and i'll tell you why (let me start by pointing out how incredibly biased it is).
First off Luffy is a brawller not a martial artist. but i agree there's a major similarity between the two fighters (luffy and franky) however it stops there with the extendible punch thing, franky's fighting style clashes with usopp's more than luffy's. that said all of Paulie's tricks can be acheived by either Luffy or Robin.
You talk about general intereaction, but what interaction? Paulie's had the most chances to build repore with the strawhats and yet it's limited to Nami getting changes. Where as Sanji/Franky argue, Franky has nicknames for them all, Franky upholds the tradition of beleif in Nakamahood and most of all his social habits, bring a level of balance to the crew in regards to Robin. Who would he hang out with? well it's a small crew, what's wrong with all of them in the same way that Nami does, or none of them in the same way that Zoro does?
The third argument was both perplexing and amusing? are you totally forgetting what Paulie's said, he's sworn allegience to Iceburg and upholding his beleifs. You're also forgetting that Sanji had nakama and joined. And to further add evidence here, so did Chopper (all be them dead and aged). If Franky remains on W7 he endangers his nakama and he knows this. Paulie has done absolutely nothing of late expect prove that he's even more useless than the weakest of the Mugiwara, i mean how can a rope expert be tied up with rope and ask for help to escape? Paulie has everything to go back to, he's not a wanted criminal and water 7 needs rebuilding. His dream is to work with Iceberg and acheive Icebergs dreams.
Your strongest argument was the Bon Clay one and you never even supported it. Overall though, you could be right but you don't in any which way provide pertinant evidence/arguments for this.
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I edit to much for my own good, some of your points are already answered in my furious re-editing of my above post, but what the hell.
I'm not saying that only punching qualifies as being a martial art but it's somthing that martial arts usually associate with. Would you rather I say Luffy's fighting style is more like boxing? Luffy uses both his fist and feet when fighting that's why I consider him a martial artist.
Luffys a brawler if he's anything. He made up his own style to suit what he wanted to do, and what he was good at (being stretchy and rubbery), and he constantly modifies it to suit his purposes. He also has a lot of the brawler mentality.
Sanji on the other hand is probably based on several differant styles of martial arts, most of which I wouldn't know the name of. I know there are several differant styles of kick/leg orientated martial arts out there, but I'm not big into that scene, so I couldn't tell you them tbh.
However, he definately isn't really based on kick-boxing, as should be pretty obvious
But yeah I'm saying that Franky's fighting style is too identical to Luffy's and that's where I think Paulie comes off as more original since his rope action isn't identical to any other straw hat's fighting style. That's why I feel it's one of the reasons Paulie has more of a chance of joining.
So how is this any differant from Chopper out of interest.
I mean, he punches (with hooves, instead of fists) a hell of a lot. And he uses similiar moves to Luffy. Gomu-Gomu no Stamp = Jump point, Gomu Gomu no Balloon = Gaurd point etc. etc. etc. and so on and so forth.
Franky on the other hand is a hell of a lot differant. Yea, he uses boxing, but like I keep saying - its the differances that matter, not the similiarities, and there a certainly a hell of a lot of them. Much more than there are similiarities.
Because I feel like there's no need for four funny men, two badasses, and two outsiders looking in. I think it would be more balanced having three badasses, three funny men, and two outsiders looking in.
I happen to disagree here. I think its an issue of balance. During the fighting, and the lead up, most of the crew goes bad ass, leaving only a minor amount of comics - Usopp and Chopper. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Robin etc. go badass mode most of the time.
So during the non fight times they need to have as many comics as possible to balance out the badassness in my view, if you get me. Franky fits perfect here. He can be either a badass, or a comedy character, and he interchanges them quite nicely in both types of arcs.
But who's to say Spandam won't spill the beans in the end? After all heh could tell the World Government that Iceberg conspired with Cutty Flam against the World Government. Who would they believe then? Spandam or Iceberg?
So long as he doesn't have the plans for Pluton, it doesn't matter if he helped them or not. Tom is proof of this. Barring exceptional circumstances the World Goverment is willing to forgive past sins, or turn a blind eye.
Wasn't Wiper's past just as tragic though? Yet HE didn't join the straw hat's.
What was so tragic about his past?
It was his ancestors past that was tragic, not his own. Not to mention he still didn't fulfill half as many of the mitagating circumstances I mentioned as Franky has already.
But you point out something else too. The fact that Luffy doesn't really like Franky. Usually he has to like someone and pester them about joining him. I don't think he'd do that with Franky after all the things he's done.
Yea, he doesn't like him. But the arc is far from over. And I think if Usopp can forgive him, and can visibly do so, then Luffy will quickly fall in to line to be honest. Luffy just isn't the kind of guy to hold a grudge, especially a baseless one.
Hey I'm just saying she didn't just stay in the background while everyone else fought. She did her share of fighting too.
Yea, but not any major villian or anything. She fought for her countries ideals and all that, which is differant.
Except that the only way to get rid of Bon Clay was to have him "sacrifice himself" to save the Straw Hats and most of them kinda liked Bon Clay to begin with.
This at least is true.
Also wasn't that whole Okama way thing his dream?
If it was, he didn't mention it in any way that I remember. Besides if it was, what more could be done with it than him sailing along being openly gay? I mean, if that was the case, he's already fulfilled his dream in a manner that doesn't nessecitate him leaving his current crew and joining the Straw Hats.
EDIT: Someone asked why not Kaku, and to be honest, he would be my first choice for four reasons.
- His fighting style is an amalgamation of all others. He practices a differant style of martial arts that is very effective, he uses a weapon, he has a devil fruit, and he seems like he could be smart enough to do some basic tactics at the least. Have Usopp hand him some dials and you have my perfect crew mate, because it just seems so much more realistic to use every available weapon and resource to make yourself as good as possible in a fight than to concentrate solely on one thing.
The tactics, effects and moves that would be possible by combining these together have a lot of potential for both damage and coolness in my opinion.
However Franky does kind of match this as well, so he's a good second. And hell, just think of how cool he'll be in an arc or twos time when his body has been upgraded, probably at least partially with dials and Usopps help :blink:
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He has a newly aquired Devil Fruit, and the antics, comedy, and information this could bring can only be a good thing in my opinion.
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He's head of a section in Galley-La, so he must be good both as a carpenter and ship-wright. Can't remember what division though.
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Two words: Nose fights :happy:
Nuff said.
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Wasn't Wiper's past just as tragic though? Yet HE didn't join the straw hat's.
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Except that the only way to get rid of Bon Clay was to have him "sacrifice himself" to save the Straw Hats and most of them kinda liked Bon Clay to begin with.
Also wasn't that whole Okama way thing his dream?
Regarding Wiper's past, it wasnt tragic. The history of the Shandorans is. Wiper was just trying to fulfill the dreams of his people and ring the bell. Once that was done, the dream was fulfilled. All the SH crew have a dream that is yet to be fulfilled.
Regarding Bon Clay, the okama way isnt his dream. Its his motto.
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Franky will be the one to join. I'm positive. Personally I would prefer it would be Paulie. He would average out the strengths of everyone.
Strong Fighters- Luffy, Zoro, Sanjii, Robin
Average- Usopp, Chopper, Nami, Paulie
Then When Paulie and Luffy were Shackled down in Galley-La Paulie said Something that made me feel that he would fit with the strawhats
Paulie: Why kill the man who made me a full fledged carpenter?
Luffy: But with that body…
Paulie: I said I want to smash those idiots. I don't give a damn about how my body will end up. I"ll fight to the last bone!To save a friend without worrying about what happens to you. That sounds like something a mugiwara would say.
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Wiper said something similar
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We know all this about Franky in the little time we've met him. But what do we know about Paulie? Not much. Does that mean there isn't a lot to learn? Of course not. We just haven't been told it. Which means either A) It's a mystery, B) Oda's forgotten which one is Franky and which one is Paulie, or C) We don't need to know because it's not important. And I'm guessing it's C.
which is why we didn't learn everything about Robin in Arabasta right? Which is why it took all the way till now to even see Robin's tragic flashback and learn more about her right?
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She stated her dreams in alabasta and alluded to her tragic past when she talked to the King. She gave hints when she said all she wanted to do was find the true history and that she had too many enemies. Whereas Paulie hasnt alluded anything to that extent.
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There is a big difference between Robin and Paulie
whole alabasta-arc –-> Mugiwara were searching for a doctor
they found him in Drum they weren t searching for anyone else
=====> BUT big surprise action - Robin joins
W7-arc---> They came to W7 to find a new nakama the same way they went to the Baratie to find a cook so
I think people saying that Paulie will join and we ll see his flashback later like Robin are the same as people in the Don-Krieg arc would ve said no Sanji is nt joining but the other (No name) cook with his knives isedit = sorry for the language I need to sleep
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Luffys a brawler if he's anything. He made up his own style to suit what he wanted to do, and what he was good at (being stretchy and rubbery), and he constantly modifies it to suit his purposes. He also has a lot of the brawler mentality.
Sanji on the other hand is probably based on several differant styles of martial arts, most of which I wouldn't know the name of. I know there are several differant styles of kick/leg orientated martial arts out there, but I'm not big into that scene, so I couldn't tell you them tbh.
However, he definately isn't really based on kick-boxing, as should be pretty obvious
Yeah… although I also said Sanji's style might be more based on this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savate
Which… yeah I admit also uses punches in it butu it's mostly about using the feet.
So how is this any differant from Chopper out of interest.
I mean, he punches (with hooves, instead of fists) a hell of a lot. And he uses similiar moves to Luffy. Gomu-Gomu no Stamp = Jump point, Gomu Gomu no Balloon = Gaurd point etc. etc. etc. and so on and so forth.
Franky on the other hand is a hell of a lot differant. Yea, he uses boxing, but like I keep saying - its the differances that matter, not the similiarities, and there a certainly a hell of a lot of them. Much more than there are similiarities.
Chopper's main style of fighting though center's around his transformations. That's what makes his style unique. It's not just about hitting stuff. Chopper improvises and wins using his own transformation skills so it's not really similar to Luffy's style at all.
I happen to disagree here. I think its an issue of balance. During the fighting, and the lead up, most of the crew goes bad ass, leaving only a minor amount of comics - Usopp and Chopper. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Robin etc. go badass mode most of the time.
So during the non fight times they need to have as many comics as possible to balance out the badassness in my view, if you get me. Franky fits perfect here. He can be either a badass, or a comedy character, and he interchanges them quite nicely in both types of arcs.
Except to me he comes off as more of a goofball which throws off the balance. I mean I like humor aboard the Mugiwara ship as much as the next guy but I don't want to see all the interaction be pure humor. I don't see the big deal of wanting another badass on board. To me it would be a welcome change.
So long as he doesn't have the plans for Pluton, it doesn't matter if he helped them or not. Tom is proof of this. Barring exceptional circumstances the World Goverment is willing to forgive past sins, or turn a blind eye.
But who's to say Iceberg wouldn't pull the stunt Tom did and say he was proud that he hid the plans from the World Government? After all Tom taught both Iceberg and Franky that they should be proud of what they do.
What was so tragic about his past?
It was his ancestors past that was tragic, not his own. Not to mention he still didn't fulfill half as many of the mitagating circumstances I mentioned as Franky has already.
So? His ancestors home was stolen from them and he wanted to fulfill his ancestors wish. How is that different from other anime character's "tragic pasts" where they seek revenge on someone who killed someone they loved?
Yea, he doesn't like him. But the arc is far from over. And I think if Usopp can forgive him, and can visibly do so, then Luffy will quickly fall in to line to be honest. Luffy just isn't the kind of guy to hold a grudge, especially a baseless one.
Except making Usopp frustrated to the point of quitting the crew isn't a baseless grudge? Heck it's Franky's fault Luffy lost his best friend. That's a pretty good reason to NOT want Franky.
Yea, but not any major villian or anything. She fought for her countries ideals and all that, which is differant.
How is it different she still fought when she had too and there were quite a few times where she had no choice but to fight. Even if she didn't do all that well she still did just as much as any other side character has. I mean Wiper and Gan Fall made it to the final four but did either of them join the Mugiwara's? No.
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There's too much suggesting that Franky will join. If he doesn't, I don't see anyone in this arc joining.
- He's unique physically and mentally.
*Many chapters based around his past, all of which reflect on his dreams {shipwright} that just so happen to be something that the gang needs right now.
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Each member of the Straw Hats have unique ability that the others don't have, and being extremely skilled in it. Franky is no exception with his ships, and has shown that his ships stand apart from other shipwrights ships.
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A unique fighting style, as has been discuessed over and over in this thread.
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He's gotten emotionally attached to the gang.
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His character is standing out in the CP9 fights with the Straw Hats, and is interacting at the same level with them.
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Has sacraficed himself or put his life on the line to help the Straw Hats.
Then theirs the foreshadowing
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Luffy's drawing.
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Forgot what chapter it was, but in the latest episode they talk about how the water behind Loby is like the calm belt, and would need a special kinda of ship to get by. This is something Franky just happens to have a speciality in.
I'm sure there were a few more things, but I kinda forgot what I was doing half way in.
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Yeah… although I also said Sanji's style might be more based on this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savate
Which… yeah I admit also uses punches in it butu it's mostly about using the feet.
There's some of his kicks that are based on savate, some on muay thai, some on capoeira and concasse is more or less the shonen version of a Kakato geri or hammer kick, which was the main weapon of the late Andy Hug, great Kyokushinkai karate and K-1 champion.
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Chopper's main style of fighting though center's around his transformations. That's what makes his style unique. It's not just about hitting stuff. Chopper improvises and wins using his own transformation skills so it's not really similar to Luffy's style at all.
So what?
As I keep saying its the body modification themed attacks that Franky mostly uses to win, and that set him apart, same as the transformations do Chopper. If you're willing to accept one crewmate as being differant despite obvious similiarities, why not another?
Could it possibly be that its just because you don't want Franky to join, but Paulie, and that your whole argument boils down to what you wish, rather than whats been shown as fact?
You want Paulie to join, like I said, you're entitled to. Hell, I want Kaku to join, and I listed my reasons a page back. They don't make it any more realistic that he will now though, especially in comparison to Franky.
Yea, Paulie might still join, but Franky is much more likely to as things stand right now.
Oh, and just to add to the fun. A lot of Paulie's attacks are similiar to Luffy as well. I can't remember his attacks names since they got so little air time and such so bear with me. He attacks using a single rope with a knot on the end, which is basically Gomu Gomu no Pistol, only weaker. He does the same with multiple ropes, which is basically Gomu Gomu no Gatling Gun. Only again, much weaker. He ties up his enemy, Luffy can do the same. This theme can be carried on. He's far more similiar to Luffy than Franky will ever be.
Except to me he comes off as more of a goofball which throws off the balance. I mean I like humor aboard the Mugiwara ship as much as the next guy but I don't want to see all the interaction be pure humor. I don't see the big deal of wanting another badass on board. To me it would be a welcome change.
This is just a matter of opinion though, when you're trying to argue facts as to why he won't join. If you want Paulie to join, all well and good, you're entitled to. That wish doesn't make it suddenly more realistic that he will though. Not on its own.
But who's to say Iceberg wouldn't pull the stunt Tom did and say he was proud that he hid the plans from the World Government? After all Tom taught both Iceberg and Franky that they should be proud of what they do.
No why would a man as smart as Iceburg do something as boneheadedly stupid as that? Yea, Tom taught them to be proud of what they did, he didn't however teach them to lie and make silly boasts to make themselves feel important.
And if you mean that he might boast about having done it in the past, thats what I meant when I said the World Goverment are always willing to turn a blind eye when it doesn't matter anymore, and the person in question has been, and continues to be helpful to them in some way.
So? His ancestors home was stolen from them and he wanted to fulfill his ancestors wish. How is that different from other anime character's "tragic pasts" where they seek revenge on someone who killed someone they loved?
Yes, and once the arc was over it was obvious this wish would have been fulfilled. He had no other wish, and his past, his personal past, was not tragic in any way.
Except making Usopp frustrated to the point of quitting the crew isn't a baseless grudge? Heck it's Franky's fault Luffy lost his best friend. That's a pretty good reason to NOT want Franky.
Usopp has forgiven him for this. There is no reason for Luffy to hold a grudge. As someone pointed out, Robin is good precedent in this case.
And Franky was far from the sole reason Usopp left. Or even the biggest reason, at least in my opinion. It might have been the straw that broke the camels back, but again it wasn't the only reason, and from what he said during his fight with Luffy, Luffy has to know this.
How is it different she still fought when she had too and there were quite a few times where she had no choice but to fight. Even if she didn't do all that well she still did just as much as any other side character has. I mean Wiper and Gan Fall made it to the final four but did either of them join the Mugiwara's? No.
Its differant because she never personally fought any of the big bad enemies. She only fought as a side-line character against ideals, and against the warfare taking place in her country.
Franky has fought one of the main bad guys, just like Chopper did. Hell even Nami and Usopp did this. Yea, not everyone did. Zoro for instance didn't. But that was back early in the show, and the arcs were quick and simple then because they needed to be to have a basic crew, to establish basic characters, fighting styles etc.
You don't have to take this last one as solid proof, because it isn't. Its just one more piece of evidence in his favour, even if it is slightly suspect.
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Posting reply to Aethos's newly made "Why Franky isn't Joining" thread.
Now the first thing I want people to understand is that I don't hate Franky. In fact he's a character I rather like. However, I feel that many in the One Piece fandom are guessing too soon that Franky will be joining the Straw Hats when there's clearly no other evidence than the fact that he's fighting CP9. Well heck so's Paulie! So now I'd like to make a few points on why I feel it would be bad if Franky did join the Straw Hats.
Alrighty.
Firstly if we look at the Straw Hat crew in general we see that each member has a unique fighting style and no two characters are EVER the same. Now when we look at Franky we can clearly see his fighting style is based off martial arts. Here's a question… why would we need another martial artist when we've already got Luffy?
Are you joking? Luffy's style is anything but the finely tuned karate, tae kwon do or any sort of widely studied 'martial art' we know about. And Martial Art is so vague it makes me cringe, martial arts is just another word for "fighting technique" for Pete's sake. Luffy seems to use his own brand of "beat up the badguy" which is hardly based off any one martial art.
I would think that would be rather bland if we get two martial artists in the same crew.
Sanji based off kickboxing and tae kwon do it seems, are we bored of him too? Oh yes and Zoro's sword fighting which combined battoujutsu, kendo and a buttload of other weirdo made up Oda-styles. Both would be considered martial artists as you say.
Whereas Paulie's rope action techniques are very original and unique to Paulie on his own. I feel that having characters who have their own original and unique fighting style that no one else uses is more Oda's style.
Pauly's 'Rope Action' got boring reeeal fast.
Secondly let's look at character interaction in general. I mean if Franky joined the Straw Hats wouldn't you be afraid that he'd become a bland character? I mean Franky really doesn't have any outstanding personality traits that would fit into the rowdy lifestyle of the Straw Hat crew.
**Wait, give me a second, I'm laughing too hard over here.
Okay. Franky doesn't have any outstanding personality traits? Yes the random bouts of anger that disolve to tearful guitar strumming, manly chest thumping, party hearty'ing and general all around crazy bastard mafia personality - these arent outstanding at all. Not like Pauly and his… standing there... smoking cigars... and yelling at scantily clad women... Yep.**
He'd most likely fade into the background and we'd rarely ever see him whereas he could at least still drive Iceburg nuts at Water 7.
Drive iceburg nuts while being actively persued by the gov't for the plans he had and the attacks he made on Enies Lobby PERSONALLY fighting along side the Strawhat crew. Oh yeah, that works.
Whereas look at Paulie. He'd practically fit right in especially in regards to his views on women and such.
"Fit right in." Did you not JUST say that the 'same kind of thing' would be kinda boring? We figured Pauly out after a few chapters. He's rowdy, rough, dislikes lude women and gambles like a mofo. Franky we first thought was a heartless villain, then after we see him in the speedo we think he's a batshit crazy villain, then we see him at the bar and figure he's a batshit crazy loveable villain, then he gets Usopp and they end up becoming good friends and we're still questioning just what the hell Franky will do!? Heck I can even see Paulie and Zoro complaining about Sanji's fawning over Nami and Robin.
But that's ALL he does… that and gamble and get angry. It gets old fast.
Who would Franky usually hang with? Usopp?
Yes, they made up and shared laughs and quite a good conversation about accepting things as they are and responsibilities in his hideout.
Heck he's already got Luffy and Chopper around he doesn't need a third person hanging with him.
You seem to be equating the Strawhats with a Junior Highschool clique now. He doesn't "need" a third person around? Since when is there a size limit on friends?
I think Paulie would be a good change on things considering he'd probably interact with Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy more than Usopp and Chopper.
So you think Pauly will join because he'll interact with a LIMITED number of Luffy's crew. Hahaha XD Yes. Oda wants characters who don't speak with each other on the same boat.
Thirdly let's not forget that Franky still has one thing Paulie doesn't have now… Nakama. Every single person who's joined Luffy has never had any Nakama or had some then lost them at some point.
WOAH WOAH XDD WAIT are you SERIOUS!? Wow. Just… WOW. Let's see; Luffy leaves all his friends in his hometown. Sanji leaves the restaurant he's lived at his entire life and the man who ate his own foot and forsook his own fame to save Sanji's life and "he never had any nakama." Or no wait, "he lost them all at some point." YEAH. At the point when he LEFT THEM to JOIN LUFFY'S CREW. Let's not forget Chopper who left Kureha! Kureha RAISED HIM and it was yet another tearful goodbye as he left her to JOIN LUFFY'S CREW.
While Franky did have Tom and all that he still has all of Franky House as Nakama. Paulie has no one now since those whom he considered Nakama turned out to be the one's who shot Iceburg. Since Paulie basically has nothing really left to go back too at Water 7 it would make sense to see Iceburg allow Paulie to go with Luffy since the Straw Hat's need a shipwright.
Pauly respects Iceburg like no other. You saw how he was wailing when both he and Luffy were tied down in that room while CP9 did their job. The last thing he'd want is to leave Water 7 and Iceburg when the company is in danger of going under thanks to the fire and the city is in chaos after the attempted murder of the mayor. And unlike Franky and the FF, Pauly and Galley La can actually return to Water 7 since the FF claimed themselves to be Strawhat Pirates and thus took the heat off any other organization.
These three things alone is my reason why Franky won't join the crew and really let's look at it logically these are the same reasons Bon Clay didn't join the crew either.
Bon Clay didn't fight side by side with each of the Strawhats, nor did he have a chance to sit down and talk some sense into one of them, nor did he have any reason to join in the first place. He's a pirate, he's got a crew, he and his crew were friends with the Strawhats already. Why would he need to join the crew?
Personally I feel that Franky will befriend the Straw Hat crew but not join them officially.
**And you're saying this after Franky himself fought with Sanji and Usopp up along the train, tried to save Robin together. After Franky sacraficed a one shot move to let everyone escape sans himself (and Usopp and Sanji were quite surprised/moved by that one.) This after Franky declares he's going to get Robin out of this situation and back to her friends. Oh let's not forget Chopper being absolutely ENTHRALLED with the CYBORG (which is unique btw, unlike a cigar-smoking pretty boy who hates lude women) as he changed personalities and hairstyles with every new drink. Oh yes and the latest chapter where Franky meets up with Nami and the classic Oda "cause effect" joke happens between them. After all this he aint joining?
Yes, after all these interactions (while Pauly gets occaisional coverage along with Zanbai who is completely being set up to take care of the FF when Franky leaves) it's clear to me that Franky can get along with any crew member and therefore isn't fit to join up and sail the world after building the strawhats their new ship - the one which he wants to make fit enough to traverse the waves at the end of the world.
Must we forget Franky's long-winded flashback which TIES INTO Robin's past AND the storyline with Gold Roger himself in which he clearly states his dream and thus sets himself up to be able to fulfil it by giving the strawhats a new ship and staying on it himself to make sure 1.) It stays seaworthy and actually does complete the Grand Line voyage and 2.) if Franky builds it I guarantee you the Strawhats will have no idea how to control most of the damn thing. He's gonna need to stick around.
All this aside: Do you think Robin is going to leave the crew permanently? I highly doubt that Oda would separate two of the most important characters tied to both the ancient weapon and the poneglyphs. Most importantly; Franky believed that Tom died for an extremely important cause (you can see this when he bites Spandam, really) and that was to keep the location of the ancient weapons safe. Tom told both he and Iceburg that Robin knew how to find these weapons and that the gov't might eventually get their hands on one. THIS is why Tom needed to keep hold of the Pluton plans! Now remember what Franky was talking about when he torched them? He was only keeping those plans as a precaution incase the gov't got a weapon. The ONLY way they can get a weapon is to capture Nico Robin.
He said himself he's betting that the Strawhats will save her and thus thwart the Government's plans to get the weapons, thus he destroyed that which Tom DIED protecting. Do you honestly think Franky would ASSUME that the Strawhats could protect her on their own after fighting along side them and being quite the help if I do say so myself. He'd want to stay and make sure she was safe, even if only to keep Tom's wishes that the Gov't never get their hands on a weapon.**
But then again this is just my view on things. What do you think?Well I just said what I thought, and I really hope you don't take this the wrong way or anything, just some counterpoints to yours. :)
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I am amazed actually… that there are people who still doubt Franky...
Honestly... for those few reasons you gave (which aren't even that strong...) I can come up with millions of reasons why he WOULD join.
I wont try to convince you by telling you what you said was wrong... but try to think with logic...- Paulie is barely developed AT ALL. Franky on the other-hand, has already had a flashback and it's already know to have been a apprentice of a legend.
- Unlike Paulie who is fighting minors, Franky already faced a CP9 member.
- Right now (Enies Lobby Arc), Paulie pretty much has absolutely NO influence in the storyline.
- By the time this is over, Franky will most likely be pursued by the government... it's almost impossible for him to stay.
- Paulie is still an apprentice shipwright... while Franky has pretty much already completed his training (well, kinda, u kno).
- Paulie has no reason to become a Pirate.
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1**.) if Franky builds it I guarantee you the Strawhats will have no idea how to control most of the damn thing. He's gonna need to stick around.**
2.) He said himself he's betting that the Strawhats will save her and thus thwart the Government's plans to get the weapons, thus he destroyed that which Tom DIED protecting. Do you honestly think Franky would ASSUME that the Strawhats could protect her on their own after fighting along side them and being quite the help if I do say so myself. He'd want to stay and make sure she was safe, even if only to keep Tom's wishes that the Gov't never get their hands on a weapon.
Thanks for bringing up the two best reasons I've yet seen for Franky to join. I'd never seen/thought of them before, and they make it all the more certain in my head that he will join.
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So what?
As I keep saying its the body modification themed attacks that Franky mostly uses to win, and that set him apart, same as the transformations do Chopper. If you're willing to accept one crewmate as being differant despite obvious similiarities, why not another?
Because Chopper's style of fighting isn't fully hand to hand the way Franky's is. Chopper uses ALL of his transformations even his animal one's to fight. He doesn't just go out fists a flying like Franky. Most of the time he uses the rumble ball for is scope, using a form to give him high enough speed to get close using Jumping Point or Walk Point, and then takes out the enemies weak point with Arm Point. But Guard Point does serve advantages to Chopper as well.
Chopper's fights are more strategical as he has to use his techniques wisely considering he only has three minutes to work on. Whereas Franky's practically out of cola and he can still throw a punch? I'd say Chopper's fights are on the level of Usopp's.
Could it possibly be that its just because you don't want Franky to join, but Paulie, and that your whole argument boils down to what you wish, rather than whats been shown as fact?
Now you're assuming things. I never said I was on EITHER side. I'm just posting my view on things. If you don't like my view then it's your problem not mine.
You want Paulie to join, like I said, you're entitled to. Hell, I want Kaku to join, and I listed my reasons a page back. They don't make it any more realistic that he will now though, especially in comparison to Franky.
Yea, Paulie might still join, but Franky is much more likely to as things stand right now.
Oh, and just to add to the fun. A lot of Paulie's attacks are similiar to Luffy as well. I can't remember his attacks names since they got so little air time and such so bear with me. He attacks using a single rope with a knot on the end, which is basically Gomu Gomu no Pistol, only weaker. He does the same with multiple ropes, which is basically Gomu Gomu no Gatling Gun. Only again, much weaker. He ties up his enemy, Luffy can do the same. This theme can be carried on. He's far more similiar to Luffy than Franky will ever be.
Paulie's attacks are based off of sailor knots that's the whole idea behind rope action. And I find a style like that very original and unique for a character. Not many could fight with rope after all.
This is just a matter of opinion though, when you're trying to argue facts as to why he won't join. If you want Paulie to join, all well and good, you're entitled to. That wish doesn't make it suddenly more realistic that he will though. Not on its own.
The same could be said for Franky then.
No why would a man as smart as Iceburg do something as boneheadedly stupid as that? Yea, Tom taught them to be proud of what they did, he didn't however teach them to lie and make silly boasts to make themselves feel important.
And if you mean that he might boast about having done it in the past, thats what I meant when I said the World Goverment are always willing to turn a blind eye when it doesn't matter anymore, and the person in question has been, and continues to be helpful to them in some way.
Then if Franky and Iceberg form a partnership why would Franky endanger his Nakama then? The world government couldn't go after Franky if he's in league with Iceberg. They'd probably keep a close eye on him though.
Yes, and once the arc was over it was obvious this wish would have been fulfilled. He had no other wish, and his past, his personal past, was not tragic in any way.
And who's to say Franky's won't be either? After all how do you build a dream ship while sailing the grand line? Franky would be better off staying in Water 7.
Usopp has forgiven him for this. There is no reason for Luffy to hold a grudge. As someone pointed out, Robin is good precedent in this case.
And Franky was far from the sole reason Usopp left. Or even the biggest reason, at least in my opinion. It might have been the straw that broke the camels back, but again it wasn't the only reason, and from what he said during his fight with Luffy, Luffy has to know this.
Yet Luffy doesn't know Usopp forgave him and even then who's to say Luffy will even agree just because Franky helped them out? Heck he was the cause of all their trouble to begin with since if it hadn't been for Franky Usopp wouldn't have left in general and left the straw hat's so broken afterwards. Since the whole argument started because Usopp blamed himself for losing the money which is why he thought Luffy was getting a new ship. Notice how Usopp would have never felt that way if none of that had ever happened. Sure he still would have been upset about losing Going Merry but I doubt he would have taken it to the extreme he had.
Its differant because she never personally fought any of the big bad enemies. She only fought as a side-line character against ideals, and against the warfare taking place in her country.
Then isn't Franky fighting just to help the Straw Hat's save Robin because she's their nakama? Why would he need to join them then? It's not like he NEEDS nakama. He already has it.
Franky has fought one of the main bad guys, just like Chopper did. Hell even Nami and Usopp did this. Yea, not everyone did. Zoro for instance didn't. But that was back early in the show, and the arcs were quick and simple then because they needed to be to have a basic crew, to establish basic characters, fighting styles etc.
You don't have to take this last one as solid proof, because it isn't. Its just one more piece of evidence in his favour, even if it is slightly suspect.
Yeah but that's because Franky is conviently THERE during the whole thing since he was kept with Robin. In any other situation I doubt people would be saying Franky is going to join.
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I'm kind of hesitant to listen to anyone who claims that Sanji doesn't use martial arts.
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Fine Carter… Sanji does use Martial Arts...
You know what? I don't even know why I even bothered. Apparently I've made myself into nothing but a joke for trying to support Paulie in this type of thing. So forget it I quit this debate.
So you guys can continue to laugh it up or whatever I'm done...
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I think.. Franky is definitely the one who is joining.. coz..
he has personal traits that makes him a very possible member of SH like:-
Franky's unique fighting style. I'd have to say that Franky is different than Luffy. Due to the fact that he is using build-in firearms all around his body. So he is more like a machine-fighter than a martial artists. Most of his moves would be original and I think there are more to come. Who would've thought that sideburns is a boomerang. Moreover, he is a guy who could flamethrow. What would be cooler than that?
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The fact that he had dreams, personal flashback and ambition. nuff said.
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He calls ppl.. nee-chan or nii-chan.. like Robin giving nicknames..
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I think he would interact better with Zoro than anyone.. because he drinks.. remember in Blueno's pub. And he has stupid flaw like zoro (always lost), he cries often and in stupid situation. He is also badass in some situation…
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