Never mind the passive-aggresiveness, what about the aggressive-aggressiveness?
Admittedly I'm new here, but there seems to be a surprising amount of animosity in this thread
Think of it as buddies trash talking to eachother. When I discuss with my good friends it's actually worse than this.
Sure they are and thats why its not obvious and more of prediction with some hints that are possible to be understood in more than one way.
If I am right then rereading Punk Hazard will put person in same conclusions that I listed.
First I came up with idea of Vergos durability, spoon and food sticking to his face not being just quirk. Then when rereading I listed myself things that would possibly point to that DF thing being right. Of course there is big possibility of me being wrong but there are some hints towards what i say comming out as truth.
Especially when I see week after week Doflamingo crew members being revealed as DF users this Vergo thing comes back.
I had to laugh at the fact that you actually said the very thing wrong with your approach to this, which I had been going to point out. Basically, you're starting from a conclusion – in this case, that Vergo has some sort of metal DF -- and are working backwards from there in order to find evidence to support it. This is in no way a personal attack against you, but that's simply a horrible way to approach theorizing. I'm not even disagreeing that, were Vergo to in fact have such a DF, then the various things you have pointed out would have served as foreshadowing of such. The issue is that, despite all of what you claim, there's really no reason to believe that he has one. Every single thing you list out can be explained by his Haki, especially considering that the story went out of its way to make a point of his Haki being incredibly strong. What you're doing basically amounts to ignoring the simple, obvious answer in favor of trying to push a pet theory for no other reason than that you would like it to be true.
A bunch of pseudo-intellectuals waving around magical concepts like Chekhov's gun, plot devices, deus ex machina, MacGuffins, shoulder angles and red herrings to sound like a student with a major in literature and coming of as a know it all nobody that has nothing better to do than show his/her "skill" to others…
I'm afraid you have somehow confused Arlong Park with TV Tropes, my friend.
I'm not sold on the metal paramecia, it's not ruled out by any means because we haven't seen Vergo disabled by Kairoseki, unable to swim etc. but it does seem pretty unlikely.
If Vergo was a DF user I would have expected Smoker to have mentioned it during their fight, or Law for that matter since he's known him longer.
Everything else can be explained by Haki and Rokushiki, specifically Tekkai. We saw Vergo laying out people with his shigan like it was going out of fashion, he's obviously a skilled rokushiki user.
Never mind Sanji's later comment about Vergo using the technique that Luffy dislikes the most ie Tekkai, from his experience fighting against CP9.
Also Sanji's original comment about him being made of metal was most likely a joke, and if not, we can look back to the example of Franky breathing fire and Luffy assuming HE was a DF user.
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I'm not sold on the metal paramecia, it's not ruled out by any means because we haven't seen Vergo disabled by Kairoseki, unable to swim etc. but it does seem pretty unlikely.
If Vergo was a DF user I would have expected Smoker to have mentioned it during their fight, or Law for that matter since he's known him longer.
Everything else can be explained by Haki and Rokushiki, specifically Tekkai. We saw Vergo laying out people with his shigan like it was going out of fashion, he's obviously a skilled rokushiki user.
Never mind Sanji's later comment about Vergo using the technique that Luffy dislikes the most ie Tekkai, from his experience fighting against CP9.
Also Sanji's original comment about him being made of metal was most likely a joke, and if not, we can look back to the example of Franky breathing fire and Luffy assuming HE was a DF user.
I talked with Stephen about the whole "your made of metal" thing when it first came about. According to him there was no clear distinction that Sanji meant the Iron Body technique from the 6 powers or not. Also Sanji meant that Luffy hated guys who who don't respect the lives of their subordinates, guys who would sacrifice their own men to accomplish their goals.
I'm leaning towards no devil fruit for Vergo, but the whole part about things sticking to him scream the by product of a devil fruit. So I guess either way for me.
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Never mind Sanji's later comment about Vergo using the technique that Luffy dislikes the most ie Tekkai, from his experience fighting against CP9.
Also Sanji's original comment about him being made of metal was most likely a joke, and if not, we can look back to the example of Franky breathing fire and Luffy assuming HE was a DF user.
As I didnt wanted to reply I dunno if that is provoking me to reply with those 2 lines or that you really missed meaning of some scenes.
Thats why I didnt wanted to go into detail.
Here Sanji says to Vergo that he is kind of person that Luffy hates the most because of fact that he is trying to kill his own subordinates. Luffy hate the most enemies that does not value people lives, especially if those are their own people
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As for taking Sanjis comment as a joke mostly I have no idea why you can see it like that.
Panda Bear- all in all I understand what you try to say at same time I see no reason to laugh at what I did if I pointed out some things suggesting what I thought at first. Also there is no wrong approach to just having theory and with it in mind seeing some things in different light while rereading. If you think it all can be explained with Haki- cool, its your take on it. Let me have mine.
I should have never ever started this subject…
I'm just wondering that if Vergo did have a metal DF, capable of attracting objects, couldn't he have been able to put himself back together by attracting his own body parts?
The things sticking on Vergo cheek was a quirk for him.
Just like Zoro always get lost or does Zoro has the anti-gps fruit.:getlost:
I talked with Stephen about the whole "your made of metal" thing when it first came about. According to him there was no clear distinction that Sanji meant the Iron Body technique from the 6 powers or not. Also Sanji meant that Luffy hated guys who who don't respect the lives of their subordinates, guys who would sacrifice their own men to accomplish their goals.
I'm leaning towards no devil fruit for Vergo, but the whole part about things sticking to him scream the by product of a devil fruit. So I guess either way for me.
Ah well this was back when I had mangapanda as my sole means of translation, so I wasn't aware of the specifics.
Vergo using Tekkai is the most likely solution though, we've already seen him use other rokushiki techniques.
Lots of people in OP have weird little quirks but aren't DF users, it doesn't really scream to me. Still, each to their own.
Since he's alive we'll find out at some point most likely.
I could totally see him eating the axolotl fruit in a cover story though.
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I'm just wondering that if Vergo did have a metal DF, capable of attracting objects, couldn't he have been able to put himself back together by attracting his own body parts?
Its possible as slight magnetism. Perk of magnetized metals- not something like Kidds ability, something that can be controlled. I take it more as feature of metal if he indeed is DF user. It would make him differ enough from Mr 1 for anyone not to complain over it.
As I didnt wanted to reply I dunno if that is provoking me to reply with those 2 lines or that you really missed meaning of some scenes.
Thats why I didnt wanted to go into detail.Here Sanji says to Vergo that he is kind of person that Luffy hates the most because of fact that he is trying to kill his own subordinates. Luffy hate the most enemies that does not value people lives, especially if those are their own people
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As for taking Sanjis comment as a joke mostly I have no idea why you can see it like that.
Panda Bear- all in all I understand what you try to say at same time I see no reason to laugh at what I did if I pointed out some things suggesting what I thought at first. Also there is no wrong approach to just having theory and with it in mind seeing some things in different light while rereading. If you think it all can be explained with Haki- cool, its your take on it. Let me have mine.
I should have never ever started this subject…
There's a lot of people discussing this now.
My comments were for everybody.
You've been acting like there's some vendetta against you because people don't agree with you.
I already explained the issues with mangapanda and memory being the reason for the "hate the most" point.
Sanji's comment may have been sarcastic…he's been known to make comments like that from time to time.
I talked with Stephen about the whole "your made of metal" thing when it first came about. According to him there was no clear distinction that Sanji meant the Iron Body technique from the 6 powers or not. Also Sanji meant that Luffy hated guys who who don't respect the lives of their subordinates, guys would kill their own men to complete their goals.
I'm leaning towards no devil fruit for Vergo, but the whole part about things sticking to him scream the by product of a devil fruit. So I guess either way for me.
What is the point of quoting Sanji when Vergo says himself that he is a swordman?
What is the point of quoting Sanji when Vergo says himself that he is a swordman?
Well that was an established quirk right from the beginning. He's just a little off and slightly delusional for brief moments at a time.
The food and spoons sticking to his face may be another quirk or it may not. Until the ballooning of his bamboo staff is explained I'm guessing the things sticking to his face is a by product of that. Maybe some sort of balloon static nonsense, I really don't know and I'm open to the possibilities.
There's a lot of people discussing this now.
My comments were for everybody.
You've been acting like there's some vendetta against you because people don't agree with you.
I already explained the issues with mangapanda and memory being the reason for the "hate the most" point.
Sanji's comment may have been sarcastic…he's been known to make comments like that from time to time.
Its just that I am in 90% of cases meeting up with similar reactions to this thing and maybe I am tired with this yet I continue with explanations- its not vendetta its being flushed out of energy to comment on this thing.
Thanks RomanceDown.
Does anybody think that some of devil fruit users might be attracted to their element ? Like Magellan loved eating poison, Crocodile liked the most desert, Smoker smoke itself(he even stuck cigars in his gas mask filters)?
fujitora is just like that zatoichi guy! oda you jew you need to create your own characters! :ninja:
And you need to stop using the word Jew as an insulting term. Seriously.
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Why is Vergo being grought up here?
Its just that I am in 90% of cases meeting up with similar reactions to this thing and maybe I am tired with this yet I continue with explanations- its not vendetta its being flushed out of energy to comment on this thing.
Thanks RomanceDown.
Does anybody think that some of devil fruit users might be attracted to their element ? Like Magellan loved eating poison, Crocodile liked the most desert, Smoker smoke itself(he even stuck cigars in his gas mask filters)?
Fair enough.
Yeah it seems to be a quirk that people are attracted to things associated with their powers, although in Crocodile's case I don't think he loved the desert as much he knew that he had major homefield advantage in that kind of area and could use his powers to their fullest.
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Why is Vergo being grought up here?
Cause after 1 day and less than 40 pages we seem to have exhausted the things in this chapter and have moved back to some golden oldies.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Soo… how about that pipe, eh? Do you think it's Sabo's actual weapon of choice, or is he stronger with something else, therefore holding back here?
I like that he's still using it, like a reminder of Gray Terminal. Means his ideals haven't changed.
Fair enough.
Yeah it seems to be a quirk that people are attracted to things associated with their powers, although in Crocodile's case I don't think he loved the desert as much he knew that he had major homefield advantage in that kind of area and could use his powers to their fullest.
Vergos favourite food was said to be hamburgers.
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btw his skin is also so that he needs to be told about hamburger being stuck to his face as he doesnt feel it at all.. For me it was also an argument towards thinking that he is strange and might have DF power.
In SBS Oda said that Vergo is eating hamburgers every morning- fast food meals, especially beef that is main thing in hamburgers contain lot of heavy metals and most known reason for memory problems - short and long term memory problems - is poisoning with metals as it affects brain. [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/metal-dangers-memory-loss-alzheimers-disease_n_4413511.html
a](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/metal-dangers-memory-loss-alzheimers-disease_n_4413511.html)nd this as well http://brainathlete.com/metal-ions-linked-memory-loss/ I had better pages so to say - explaining how fast food diet caused some people to mix things up, forget some simple basic facts and some more serious memory problems. Thats why I asked about element attraction.. But compared to rest this would be even more of a strain.
A bit late but still gonna put opinion and thoughts here.
I just love Senor. He's just full of ironies and Oda implemented the sui-sui no mi perfectly.
He gave this contridictionary fruit (being able to swim through ground yet not able to swim in actual water) to a character
who is full of contridictions and ironies. Oda is a genius.
And Oda's not done yet. Sabo is still rocking the pipe. Awesome!
Furthermore we now have a huge change in the balance of the 3 powers and this is going to be extremely important.
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A bit late but still gonna put opinion and thoughts here.
I just love Senor. He's just full of ironies and Oda implemented the sui-sui no mi perfectly.
He gave this contridictionary fruit (being able to swim through ground yet not able to swim in actual water) to a character
who is full of contridictions and ironies. Oda is a genius.And Oda's not done yet. Sabo is still rocking the pipe. Awesome!
Furthermore we now have a huge change in the balance of the 3 powers and this is going to be extremely important.
I had exact same thoughts on Senor Pink- scene when he brushes his teet with brush for shoes is One Piece strangness at its best.
Most manly, hard boiled man dressed like a baby. One of best/ funniest character designs for a long time.
Senor Pink, Franky and Machvise seems to be against Bastille- Franky should not be a match for 2 Doflamingo subordinates and Vice Admiral with troops so it looks like Doflamingos man will also fight Bastille not knowing that he is only after Franky:ninja:
Soo… how about that pipe, eh? Do you think it's Sabo's actual weapon of choice, or is he stronger with something else, therefore holding back here?
I like that he's still using it, like a reminder of Gray Terminal. Means his ideals haven't changed.
Really liked it too! It's also showed his playful childish nature probably remained, like Luffy (despite all the things they have been through)
Cause after 1 day and less than 40 pages we seem to have exhausted the things in this chapter and have moved back to some golden oldies.
That's what the other threads are for. Holding discussions about completely unrelated topics - not even trying to predict the next chapters - only prevents other people from picking up some content related posts and continue the conversation because they simply can't find them without reading almost a hundred of posts.
Modding at AP is not, and has never been, about micromanaging conversation flow.
But do bring up a better topic if you feel you've got one.
That's why I said the thread is no fun this week instead of criticizing the reason.
I don't think all of the possible ways how the Shichibukai system might be ended has been discussed. Issho may have his own agenda so he has to pitch the Gorosei and Akainu first which probably requires some necessary preparations beforehand or Akainu and Issho disagree with the Gorosei and try to push a more aggressive strategy, etc.
Another interesting poiint is Violet's ability. Can she see what's happening on the island while she's inside? If so, is she going to report the marines' arrival at the Toy House entrance so, for instance, Kin'emon can go and help since Kanjuro isn't at the palace anyway.
The most interesting point of how the admiral is handled is still unknown. Even if Fujitora is weaker than Aokiji and even just as strong Doffy, Zoro isn't be as strong as Luffy.
At last, might Violet's ability become useful to someone during a fight or will she even fight someone on her own. Who would fit best then?
Just some random thoughts, though Franky's, Sanji's and Usopp's fights are missing.
Maybe the said power that Jinbe was talking that was given to the marines is to compensate to the eventual end of the shichibukai system?
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I don't think all of the possible ways how the Shichibukai system might be ended has been discussed. Issho may have his own agenda so he has to pitch the Gorosei and Akainu first which probably requires some necessary preparations beforehand or Akainu and Issho disagree with the Gorosei and try to push a more aggressive strategy, etc.
The most interesting point of how the admiral is handled is still unknown. Even if Fujitora is weaker than Aokiji and even just as strong Doffy, Zoro isn't be as strong as Luffy.
At last, might Violet's ability become useful to someone during a fight or will she even fight someone on her own. Who would fit best then?
For me it seems that as Fujitora is new to Marines he sees more than them in some ways. Just as Kuzan on Punk Hazard said to Smoker that he can see some things and possibilities that he didnt seen while he was with Marines. So Fujitora is seeing things from some different angle- perhaps his country was affected by one of Warlords, maybe the new one that we didnt seen yet and thats why he understands so good why Warlords as whole bring a lot of harm while they might not be needed at all. I surely do wonder will it be shown who blinded Fujitora, flashback for him would be very welcome I think as we had seen some of other admirals past already.
For me it seems that as Fujitora is new to Marines he sees more than them in some ways. Just as Kuzan on Punk Hazard said to Smoker that he can see some things and possibilities that he didnt seen while he was with Marines. So Fujitora is seeing things from some different angle- perhaps his country was affected by one of Warlords, maybe the new one that we didnt seen yet and thats why he understands so good why Warlords as whole bring a lot of harm while they might not be needed at all. I surely do wonder will it be shown who blinded Fujitora, flashback for him would be very welcome I think as we had seen some of other admirals past already.
I would actually perefer if that remained secret. It's more fun that way, in my opinion.
I also think that Fuji shared his dream with Akainu. The fact that he specificly was send to deal with two rogue Shichibukai would point towards that. It hardly seems coincedental.
So I came here two hours ago and I saw that the Vergo has a Devil Fruit debate was going to start, so I decided to go to Photoshop real quick and place some texts in one of Vergo's images but I don't know what the heck happened on the process that I ended up doing this.
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I would be less surprised if vagabonds theory was correct than I was at the bars being Seastone on corrida colosseum. 50/50. Could be referring to tekkai, but Sanji fought Jyabura. Moving Tekkai expert. You'd think he'd know it when he sees it.
I just wanna see what the explosion of SAD did to Vergo.
Maybe the said power that Jinbe was talking that was given to the marines is to compensate to the eventual end of the shichibukai system?
Hmm you mind refreshing my memory? When was this brought up? =)
I would be less surprised if vagabonds theory was correct than I was at the bars being Seastone on corrida colosseum. 50/50. Could be referring to tekkai, but Sanji fought Jyabura. Moving Tekkai expert. You'd think he'd know it when he sees it.
I just wanna see what the explosion of SAD did to Vergo.
Or it was just exaggeration Sanji's part.
Just so you know.
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For me it seems that as Fujitora is new to Marines he sees more than them in some ways. Just as Kuzan on Punk Hazard said to Smoker that he can see some things and possibilities that he didnt seen while he was with Marines. So Fujitora is seeing things from some different angle- perhaps his country was affected by one of Warlords, maybe the new one that we didnt seen yet and thats why he understands so good why Warlords as whole bring a lot of harm while they might not be needed at all. I surely do wonder will it be shown who blinded Fujitora, flashback for him would be very welcome I think as we had seen some of other admirals past already.
A Shichibukai or a consequnce of one of her/his actions blinding Fujitora would only explain his motivation. His past is probably unrelated to Zatoichi so guessing it is fairly impossible so far anyway. It might have been a war the blinded him and made him care for the population so much, it might be something else.
But the options for abandoning the Shichibukai system are more limited as it would make all pirates including the Yonko more aggressive and confident if it isn't followed by some replacement. Considering that Akainu moved the focus onto the NW he might want to have some way to strategically destabilize the Yonko's alliances/territories.
But that doesn't seem to fit Issho's thinking as he could've let Luffy attack DD before stepping in.
A Shichibukai or a consequnce of one of her/his actions blinding Fujitora would only explain his motivation. His past is probably unrelated to Zatoichi so guessing it is fairly impossible so far anyway.
But the options for abandoning the Shichibukai system are more limited as it would make all pirates including the Yonko more aggressive and confident if it isn't followed by some replacement. Considering that Akainu moved the focus onto the NW he might want to have some way to strategically destabilize the Yonko's alliances/territories.
But that doesn't seem to fit Issho's thinking as he could've let Luffy attack DD before stepping in.
I honestly don't see how Shichibukai work as a threat to more powerful pirates though. Most of them just don't care. And at the same time, every Shichibukai shown to date abused his position… so... yeah.
I would rather give more money to the marines, and dissolve the entire Shichibukai institution. Maybe add few pacifistas to the mix.
A Shichibukai or a consequnce of one of her/his actions blinding Fujitora would only explain his motivation. His past is probably unrelated to Zatoichi so guessing it is fairly impossible so far anyway. It might have been a war the blinded him and made him care for the population so much, it might be something else.
But the options for abandoning the Shichibukai system are more limited as it would make all pirates including the Yonko more aggressive and confident if it isn't followed by some replacement. Considering that Akainu moved the focus onto the NW he might want to have some way to strategically destabilize the Yonko's alliances/territories.
But that doesn't seem to fit Issho's thinking as he could've let Luffy attack DD before stepping in.
Interesting line - the one about war blinding Fujitora. Not a person but a war itself.
Darth- keeping person that blinded Fujitora as unknown would be cool and all but I hope Oda will at least let us know who put a scar on Smokers face:blink:
That's what the other threads are for. Holding discussions about completely unrelated topics - not even trying to predict the next chapters - only prevents other people from picking up some content related posts and continue the conversation because they simply can't find them without reading almost a hundred of posts.
It's not like other people were trying in vain to talk about things more relevant to the chapter in amonst our posts abut Vergo.
We talked about the stuff in the chapter and then the topic got derailed, it happens.
Had someone leapt in with a point relevant to the chapter, we'd have all been on it like a pack of dogs most likely.
So enough of the vigilante moderation.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
I don't like how you guys attribute Fujitora dislike for the shichibukai system to a personal tragedy. I mighty be completely wrong, but I think it is just plain and simple due to his moral code. He thinks pirates shouldn't be trusted, and guess what? He is right.
Interesting line - the one about war blinding Fujitora. Not a person but a war itself.
Darth- keeping person that blinded Fujitora as unknown would be cool and all but I hope Oda will at least let us know who put a scar on Smokers face:blink:
Now, that's more interesting question, but maybe it is suppossed to represent dangers of New World? Like "see, even logias can get hurt here" kind of thing.
So enough of the vigilante moderation.
Oh, but I always wanted to be vigilante moderator! I could have mask, cool super-moderator name, and fight for justice of the users.
Well, I suppose that dream is gone now… :sad:
I honestly don't see how Shichibukai work as a threat to more powerful pirates though. Most of them just don't care. And at the same time, every Shichibukai shown to date abused his position… so... yeah.
I would rather give more money to the marines, and dissolve the entire Shichibukai institution. Maybe add few pacifistas to the mix.
For the most part the WG is aware if of those abuses aside from big ones like Crocodile's or DD's schemes to take over countries so there had to be enough advantages to dismiss the other ones.
I'm basing my arguments on the characters of the story, not on logic like in reality since in real life no one would designate a known criminal to a police chief or similar. Also, I don't think money is an issue in OP at all.
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Though looking back, perhaps Jinbe was probably refer about Fujitora and Green Bull.
He's talking about the draft in general.
Now, that's more interesting question, but maybe it is suppossed to represent dangers of New World? Like "see, even logias can get hurt here" kind of thing.
Oh, but I always wanted to be vigilante moderator! I could have mask, cool super-moderator name, and fight for justice of the users.
Well, I suppose that dream is gone now… :sad:
Since Akainu is your special favorite I can imagine you being a terrifyingly thorough vigilante moderator.
Shooting down other threads full of innocent posters just in case there was one off topicer in there.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Do you think that Oda made the elevator scene only for comedy or would it somehow leads Luffy to leave Zoro and Kinemon by accident? Like Franky being too big for the tonttata tunnel.
For the most part the WG is aware if of those abuses aside from big ones like Crocodile's or DD's schemes to take over countries so there had to be enough advantages to dismiss the other ones.
I'm basing my arguments on the characters of the story, not on logic like in reality since in real life no one would designate a known criminal to a police chief or similar. Also, I don't think money is an issue in OP at all.
Yeah, but if we look purely at the story, then we would notice that Warlords don't seem to bring a lot to the tables. I mean, what's their actuall contribution to the WG side that we know off? They took part in The War, but they didn't do much in it, to be honest…
I honestly don't see how Shichibukai work as a threat to more powerful pirates though. Most of them just don't care. And at the same time, every Shichibukai shown to date abused his position… so... yeah.
I would rather give more money to the marines, and dissolve the entire Shichibukai institution. Maybe add few pacifistas to the mix.
I think the need for Shichibukai will lessen if WG ever starts a war against Yonkou or what's left of them. That world wide conscription might have attracted any number of powerful recruits who are comparable to current admirals or vice-admirals. Then there's Vegapunk with his new model of Pacifista. Or maybe several new models. We only know Kuma bots are old models. That crazy scientist could have produced who knows what in 2 years.
I think wanting to see the next gen Pacifista on Dressrosa would be a little too much to ask, wouldn't it?
It's not like other people were trying in vain to talk about things more relevant to the chapter in amonst our posts abut Vergo.
We talked about the stuff in the chapter and then the topic got derailed, it happens.
Had someone leapt in with a point relevant to the chapter, we'd have all been on it like a pack of dogs most likely.
So enough of the vigilante moderation.
vigilante moderation, lol
A lot of people seem to jump at criticism about unrelated debates with laughable excuses.
I don't like how you guys attribute Fujitora dislike for the shichibukai system to a personal tragedy. I mighty be completely wrong, but I think it is just plain and simple due to his moral code. He thinks pirates shouldn't be trusted, and guess what? He is right.
Well, in Smoker's case it's experience and it's possible it's similar with Issho but my main hope is that Issho isn't a Smoker.2 who ends up helping the SH most of the time instead of presenting a serious threat to them.
Yeah, but if we look purely at the story, then we would notice that Warlords don't seem to bring a lot to the tables. I mean, what's their actuall contribution to the WG side that we know off? They took part in The War, but they didn't do much in it, to be honest…
They stop the flow of large number of pirates into NW thus stopping Yonkou from becoming even stronger and reduce the damage to allied countries and/or marine forces by doing that. Don Krieg's fleet could have done serious damages if it weren't for Mihawk. Kuma and Moria probably got rid of lot of pirates as well.
Also, since they are allied to WG, they aren't causing direct damage to it. Well, most of the time, anyway. They probably see it as a lesser of two evils.
Yeah, but if we look purely at the story, then we would notice that Warlords don't seem to bring a lot to the tables. I mean, what's their actuall contribution to the WG side that we know off? They took part in The War, but they didn't do much in it, to be honest…
Taking part in the war was a desperate and preventive move. The Shichibukai's purpose is obviously to destroy pirate crews on their own, including rookies like the Supernovas. For that their own activities are overlooked and they can ask for help from the marines which DD didn't at first but could've.
Since Akainu is your special favorite I can imagine you being a terrifyingly thorough vigilante moderator.
Shooting down other threads full of innocent posters just in case there was one off topicer in there.
Well, of course one needs to be thorough, while moderating. Otherwise some spam posts (and posters) might slip away.
Besides, I can think of few thread that could really use a good Buster Call… :ninja:
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Taking part in the war was a desperate and preventive move. The Shichibukai's purpose is obviously to destroy pirate crews on their own, including rookies like the Supernovas. For that their own activities are overlooked and they can ask for help from the marines which DD didn't at first but could've.
They stop the flow of large number of pirates into NW thus stopping Yonkou from becoming even stronger and reduce the damage to allied countries and/or marine forces by doing that. Don Krieg's fleet could have done serious damages if it weren't for Mihawk. Kuma and Moria probably got rid of lot of pirates as well.
Also, since they are allied to WG, they aren't causing direct damage to it. Well, most of the time, anyway. They probably see it as a lesser of two evils.
It's only informed usefullness, though. We don't see them actually doing it. And while they cull ranks of weak pirates, we see that Pacifistas are perfectly capable of doing that themselfs. And that basicaly means that low level pirates have become none issue, and we don't really see Warlords doing much against high level guys.
And when they do stuff that helps, they are not doing it because they honoring the agreement, they are doing it because the feel like for the moment, or it's beneficial to them.
It's only informed usefullness, though. We don't see them actually doing it. And while they cull ranks of weak pirates, we see that Pacifistas are perfectly capable of doing that themselfs. And that basicaly means that low level pirates have become none issue, and we don't really see Warlords doing much against high level guys.
And when they do stuff that helps, they are not doing it because they honoring the agreement, they are doing it because the feel like for the moment, or it's beneficial to them.
The Shichibukai are doing it in their own way. DD has his Colosseum, Hancock attacks all ships with men, Miwawk hunts once in a while, Buggy probably takes control of some of them in his sect, etc. Luffy is always fascinated by them though he never cares if he has to beat up one of them, other pirates are probably just scared so they prevent a lot of them from entering the Grand Line.
Pacifistas might be part of the answer the marines are preparing for as a replacement but they are new and maybe not accepted by every government. Maybe, that's the main topic of the Reverie this year but it's difficult to follow the thinking process of the WG on this subject.
It's only informed usefullness, though. We don't see them actually doing it. And while they cull ranks of weak pirates, we see that Pacifistas are perfectly capable of doing that themselfs. And that basicaly means that low level pirates have become none issue, and we don't really see Warlords doing much against high level guys.
And when they do stuff that helps, they are not doing it because they honoring the agreement, they are doing it because the feel like for the moment, or it's beneficial to them.
Well it's a win-win deal.
Shichibukai can sail free and do whatever they want as long as it doesn't go directly against WG and marines. And we've seen even that is tolerated from time to time. They can also feel safe since they are backed up by WG. Well safe against all but craziest pirates. They can conduct their business as long as it doesn't hurt WG. Crocodile had a casino and bounty hunter agency, Doflamingo had his slave trade and everything else, Moria had his little operation set up at Florian Triangle etc.
WG isn't threatened by 7 of the most dangerous pirates in exchange of freezing their bounties. As far as we know, they aren't on any kind of payroll. And those pirates take care of other pirates who are a potential threat and probably discourage a lot more. Hard to put it in numbers.
Anyway, Shichibukai do serve some purpose, obviously, but it seems the deal is sweeter on the Shichibukai side.
